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April 27th, 2004, 10:34 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 320</FONT>
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SG-1 discovers the mystical planet Kheb, and must find the Harcesis child of Apophis and Sha're before Apophis' army does.

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Boomer359
May 24th, 2004, 01:39 PM
The only thing I can think to say right now about this episode is that I'm very surprised that Daniel didn't copy down any of the writing on the wall. I guees he might have, given how long he appeared to be in there with the monk, but still. I would have though that he would have made it a point to get that stuff down considering how important he claimed it was.

stargate barbie
June 20th, 2004, 04:41 PM
i liked the monk. i like that it introduced oma desala and shifu properly. and any episode that has bra'tac in it can't be bad.
i don't rewatch this episode very often though. i probably should watch it again. twas good.

Newbie
June 20th, 2004, 09:33 PM
i watched a second time...couple of days ago...and understood it...it was kinda hard the first time...:(..the whole trust me things...

omnian
July 3rd, 2004, 02:18 PM
Interesting episode...

Introduced Ascension and we got to see what one is capable of when Ascended. Nice. :p

Just wish there would've been a greater demonstration of power.

Anubis
July 3rd, 2004, 02:31 PM
I agree. Decent stuff with the ascension business

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:41 PM
I dig the Buddhist thing.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 07:21 PM
ohhhh...
....ahhhh
the start of the glowy ancient thing

Ancient
July 19th, 2004, 07:00 PM
ohhhh...
....ahhhh
the start of the glowy ancient thing
yes glowing ancients are the bomb no really we are....:)

Ancient
July 19th, 2004, 07:02 PM
or at least orlin will help u make one but on a serious note i like the whole conceptual introduction of the principle of ascension....I also liked that fact that Bra'tac understood things daniel did not like the line abotu taking off the shoes...oh yeah and seein oma kick some ass is alwys good

SeaBee
July 20th, 2004, 03:52 PM
Was the monk a second being, or was he just another version of Oma?

Cool ep, though. Esp. when I got the vid, and could see all the bits that Channel 4 had cut out.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 07:03 PM
The monk person never gave real answers... so there are many question about this episode... I also wonder if he was an ascended being.

norriski
August 10th, 2004, 10:55 AM
OK, this mostly is just a nitpick post about this ep...but there was a wardrobe error in this episode....When the team gets to "Keb" and Daniel takes off his vest and stuff he has a short sleeved black t-shirt on...when he goes in and finially takes off his jacket he has a long sleeved black t-shirt on...like I said it was nitpicky but I still noticed it...

As for this episode, overall a good epi, introducing us to the child and Oma...

Anubis
August 10th, 2004, 11:36 AM
OK, this mostly is just a nitpick post about this ep...but there was a wardrobe error in this episode....When the team gets to "Keb" and Daniel takes off his vest and stuff he has a short sleeved black t-shirt on...when he goes in and finially takes off his jacket he has a long sleeved black t-shirt on...like I said it was nitpicky but I still noticed it...

As for this episode, overall a good epi, introducing us to the child and Oma...



lol They've done a simular thing to this in another episode too. I can't remember which one!

Donks
August 11th, 2004, 09:13 AM
I just noticed one thing... isn't the kid a little too white to have two arab parents?

norriski
August 11th, 2004, 10:15 AM
I also noticed that, but the next time we see the child, it seems they corrected that error.

Unas
November 17th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Two nitpicks:
The boy was born in early season 2 and this episode is late season 3. He should be at least one and a half years old by now. Yet he looks like he's only six months or less.

Daniel implies that Buddhism started in China before India because of the wall with ancient Chinese characters and the very Chinese architecture plus the monk. Someone should give TPTB a history book, its one of the many historical inconsistencies that pops up once in a while.

Vapor
November 18th, 2004, 12:05 PM
This kinda makes me wonder what actual Buddhists would think of this ep.

As for me, again, it was aiight. A little on the boring side until we actually meet the glowy lady. :D

LMichelle
November 19th, 2004, 02:03 PM
I agree, Norriski, did they not think we wouldn't notice the missing arm porn? :p

The child did look a little too light-skinned to be the offspring of Ammonet and Apophis. :rolleyes:

I loved the Jack/Daniel banter. "Daniel! Shoes!" ROTFL! :D

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
November 20th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Spoiler

If the ascended cannot interfere in on our affairs, then how does Oma get away with taking out a small army?

Erik Pasternak
November 20th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Spoiler

If the ascended cannot interfere in on our affairs, then how does Oma get away with taking out a small army?
Maybe the Ancients/Ascended really don't like tresspassers.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
November 28th, 2004, 12:35 PM
i thought Kheb was created by Oma alone, the others dont want to help people ascend, only Oma does

Dead Jawa
January 9th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Spoiler

If the ascended cannot interfere in on our affairs, then how does Oma get away with taking out a small army?

[Mod edit -
please make it clear which eps you are spoiling.

Spoilers for s7 Full Circle and for an Atlantis ep called "Sanctuary"]


We know from later episodes that although the ascended aren't suppose to interfer Oma gets away with it several times.She was kinda a rogue member of the ascended. She just keeps it rather small so the others won't interfer unlike say Daniel who tries to take out a system lord.
Also she could be like Chaya in "Sanctuary" and they were allowing her to protect that one planet.

Madeleine
January 9th, 2005, 10:31 PM
I think Oma was at home, and her home got attacked by Jaffa. She defended her own home. That probably doesn't quite count as interfering.

SmartFox
March 18th, 2005, 08:30 PM
I think Oma was at home, and her home got attacked by Jaffa. She defended her own home. That probably doesn't quite count as interfering.
If you remember Sanctuary though that Ancient was punished for exactly that.


The first time i saw this ep it was one of the first eps i saw. I was really confused. Just rewatched and now understand it alot better. The only thing is why does Oma have a different face?

zats
March 18th, 2005, 08:46 PM
If you remember Sanctuary though that Ancient was punished for exactly that.

There may have been different circumstances that we don't know about. I don't think that offing a few Jaffa ranks with destroying a hive ship. And maybe whatshername from 'Sanctuary' was already on probation. Who knows?

valaCB
March 28th, 2005, 03:04 AM
The only thing I can think to say right now about this episode is that I'm very surprised that Daniel didn't copy down any of the writing on the wall. I guees he might have, given how long he appeared to be in there with the monk, but still. I would have though that he would have made it a point to get that stuff down considering how important he claimed it was.
he didn't copy the writing of the wall 'cos he know that what gave him the power is the woman and not the symbols and maybe he did wrote tham and we just didn't see :p

and i allways LOVE Jack remarks. this time in the end about Daniel's shoes...lol

im doing marathon . 5 season to go...

Anubis69
April 25th, 2005, 02:35 PM
Here's a point, nothing to do with the oma "why can she kill the jaffa" thing, but why was daniel sad to see the jaffa killed at the end. first time i saw it i thought it was kind of a "haha, serves you right" kind of bye, but watching it again, his face is so solumn and his hand kind of jestures almost....aplogetically. it's odd. if he was sad, speaks volumes for his character.

QuiGonJohn
May 11th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Anubis, it may also have been awe at the power Oma possessed, seeing the devastation she wrought on the Jaffa.

I liked this one, (I guess I like 'em all). Anyway, too bad there wasn't a way they could take the boy.

Qasim
July 25th, 2005, 09:41 AM
Just watched it again

I enjoyed how Bra'tac become reinvigorated as a warrior

Cade
July 25th, 2005, 10:13 AM
She killed the Jaffa to protect the child, and SG-1, if she was just protecting her home why would she stop the jaffa from killing Sg-1?

perhaps since she was already bending the rules she figured there was nothing to lose by bending them again.

Perriman33
August 12th, 2005, 12:16 AM
This was a good episode for background. Bits about the ancients and the child. Bra'tak getting a new lease of life and daniel getting a taste for ascending.
I just didn't find it that exciting there wasn't much on SG1 or anybody else we care about, I get the feeling it was a bit like shaa're they just wanted to get rid of the boy as a storyline. It's not an episode I would go back to watch regularly. I did like the crispy jaffa though. :)

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 03:43 AM
^you took the words right out of my mouth

Ascendant
September 9th, 2005, 02:58 AM
I thought this one was a little boring the first time I saw it, and I was bummed out that Daniel wasn't able to keep his Jedi powers. I also felt that it was kind of a gyp that he left the baby behind.

However, after seeing Absolute Power and a couple other related ones, I really like it now. Usually I'm all about the action and the exotic environments, but knowing that this is the start of a plotline makes it decidedly more interesting. I don't know why Ascended aren't allowed to dabble in human affairs (I just finished season 5), but in Ascension (spoiler, highlight to read) Sam's stalker dude said that he was an outcast, like Oma. Maybe the rules don't apply to her because she's an outcast.

At any rate, the episode also seemed like a great insight into Daniel's character. His acceptance of other cultures is something we already know about, but it's not often that we get to see his spiritual side. He doesn't seem to belong to any specific religion, so it's more of a general acceptance that other people's beliefs might be true. It goes well with his respect for other cultures, and it's quite a contrast to the pragmatism of Jack and Sam.

It also rocked when the Jaffa got smitten...smote? Smited? :S

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Great intro to the ancients!

Metarock Sam
September 21st, 2005, 03:01 PM
This episode was a great introduction to the ancients showing not only a gentle carm spirit to them but also how powerful they really are.
Sure the child was a little to white but I dont care about the skin colour.
The monk was classic it was a shame he died at the end but then again he ascended therefore he was ok (this is really confusing :S ).

Jump237
October 18th, 2005, 04:06 PM
a little blue-eyed white baby from an ancient Egyptian father(black actor) and an Abydonian(character of arab descent, actress of polynesian descent) mother? hmm... he looked more like daniel's kid - with Carter. even more annoying than the mixed kid they got to play Ry'ac.

timdalton007
October 20th, 2005, 05:58 AM
a little blue-eyed white baby from an ancient Egyptian father(black actor) and an Abydonian(character of arab descent, actress of polynesian descent) mother? hmm... he looked more like daniel's kid - with Carter. even more annoying than the mixed kid they got to play Ry'ac.

Good point. I never thought of that. That doesn't make a lick of sense. I don't agree with you on the kid playing Ry'ac being annoying but you are certainly right on the first part.

timdalton007

Unorthodox
April 12th, 2006, 08:15 PM
Does anyone remember the monk saying something (cryptic) along the lines of:

"A snowflake cannot survive in a rain of fire." (or something like that)?

Seems to me that he might have (unknowingly) been reffering to Atlantis, considering it is designed like one...possibly an Ancient cryptic-refference to the first Seige on Atlantis by the Wraith, when the Ancients returned to Earth for good?

captain jake
April 17th, 2006, 08:08 PM
I think that it is possible but probably just saying something simmilar to "not a snowballs chance in hell".

Unorthodox
April 18th, 2006, 05:02 PM
I think that it is possible but probably just saying something simmilar to "not a snowballs chance in hell".

Probably. Still, we all know the writers...

captain jake
April 19th, 2006, 02:15 PM
meaning?

Unorthodox
April 19th, 2006, 04:25 PM
meaning?
Meaning that they're likely to do whatever suits them. I would hope that they would try to connect these older episodes with the newer ones...at least to try and keep from being like Star Trek's TOS.

captain jake
April 19th, 2006, 06:05 PM
I dont know if we will ever know for sure probably not.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 10:28 PM
probely not

tommiekins
August 8th, 2006, 06:05 PM
I loved this episode, I thought it really represented the ancients (well Oma) well and ascension. A strong episode and great character development. Also the monk was fantastic.

dubya83
February 11th, 2007, 03:01 PM
Does anyone remember when they first saw Maternal Instinct (when it first aired on Showtime)?

I remember being so surprised and bewildered when it seemed like Daniel learned "new powers." With this episode, Robert Cooper certainly took the show down an entirely new path to where it has landed today.

Now if a character actually exhibted telekenetic powers of his or her own, it wouldn't even seem all that strange or surprising. :)

It is amazing how much SG-1 has grown, changed, and evolved (and without a revolt by a majority of fans). You have to wonder how much has been planned and how much has been thought up on the fly.

Did they even know that the ascended beings would be the Ancients as early as Maternal Instinct? Hmmm....

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 8th, 2007, 01:06 PM
I always enjoy the episodes in which Bra'tac appears, and the journey his character takes in this episode is engrossing. It was a good introduction to the Ancients, as well as further developing the characters of the SG1 characters. In the cases of Jack and Sam especially, it seemed to me that everything they knew was wrong. Daniel once again demonstrated both knowledge and wisdom, as well as a willingness to learn.

I think that this is an episode that takes some repeat viewings, in order to fully understand the different levels upon which is operates.

placid
February 9th, 2008, 10:37 AM
Did this child ever come back into the story? (haven't seen the movies) Or was it not really worth it in the end, what with the Goauld threat being removed?

placid
February 22nd, 2008, 07:40 AM
Did this child ever come back into the story? (haven't seen the movies) Or was it not really worth it in the end, what with the Goauld threat being removed?

To answer my own question, "Absolute Power".

Thanks for playing.

Teddybrown
March 26th, 2008, 02:31 AM
She killed the Jaffa to protect the child, and SG-1, if she was just protecting her home why would she stop the jaffa from killing Sg-1?

perhaps since she was already bending the rules she figured there was nothing to lose by bending them again.

Or maybe she just wanted to kick some jaffa ass lol
I think she just wanted to protect the child and SG1
Also, how many were killed? Will it effect Apophis fleet? Will he send a great army of ships next? Will Apophis ever get his child?

RobertF
June 15th, 2008, 07:56 PM
Great episode - just when you think you know all there is to know about the Stargate universe, you learn that beings can ascend to higher planes of existence. Highly evolved beings of pure energy are nothing new in sci-fi - there were several Star Trek Next Generation episodes featuring "ascended" aliens with super powers (Q comes to mind). Still it was a neat episode. The Buddhist monastery set was really cool, as was the banter between Daniel and the monk.

It was also cool seeing T'ealc and Bra'tac exhibit their tracking skills on Kheb. And I liked the night sky - it looked like Kheb isn't too far from a globular star cluster, so they must have been thousands of light years from Earth.

So was Oma an ascended being, or just on the brink of ascending? I was under the impression that ascended beings were pure of heart and wouldn't stoop to frying Jaffa for fun. Couldn't Oma have just teleported them away, like Thor did on Cimmeria?

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 10:47 PM
This was a definite turning point for Bra'tac before this episode he was vain and childish, but ever since he has been wise and honorable. I think it was because he was insecure about his age and afraid of death, though once he found out about the journey that lay before him he felt secure and no longer needed to be young or on top. It was also a major turning point for Daniel it was around this time that he became more spiritual and less of an archaeologist. The introduction to Oma Desala was interesting, but she interfered in a huge way by killing all of those Jaffa.

As we have seen in future episodes such an action would have it's consequences.

HelloVelo
July 7th, 2008, 08:53 PM
The Asian guy made me feel like I was stoned.

Rating: 8/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/maternal-instinct.html

L E E
July 17th, 2008, 10:06 PM
An interesting episode. The glowing alien is cool. However, it hurt my brain trying to decipher what the heck the monk was trying to say.

Hornet
September 9th, 2008, 11:00 AM
It almost pissed me off when Danial never asked that glowing lady who is she or where she came from, LOL.

From what I understand, she's the Ancients, right? Supposedly the greatest race among the 4 powerful alliance, whom had ascended to some higher plane or something like that.

Black_Sheep
September 12th, 2008, 06:43 PM
Great episode. All the "mind control" stuff was cool (though i wasn't really that but..). There were some funny Daniel/Jack -moments again. I wonder how many times Daniel has said: "Jack. If you are ever going to trust me on anything...." :D

ZoSo
September 13th, 2008, 06:48 AM
That stone archway at the entrance reminded me of a stargate.

Probably confirmation that that place was built by the Ancients.

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 01:51 PM
That stone archway at the entrance reminded me of a stargate.

i thought that too, when the ascended being goes towards it for some reason i thought it was going to form a wormhole in the middle of it and go through it haha i was like :( when it didn't happen :P brilliant episode though! :D

The Stig
April 26th, 2009, 03:46 PM
i think the monk was cooler than Teal'c. the things he was saying were so deep Daniel was having trouble understanding them.

Pic
May 26th, 2009, 01:26 PM
Oh, so much to love about this episode.

First of all, it's where Daniel gets the idea about ascending to another plane of existence, the principle which later allows Michael Shanks to abandon those silly notions of leaving stargate.
2) We meet Oma (very important later).
3) We see Bra'tac again and that always makes Teal'c happy 'cause they get to be all jaffa-like together.
4) Sam gets to play with claymores and that sounds fun.

But seriously, it's the wit that wins me on this one. It just makes me laugh. :D

Monk: Because it is so clear, it takes a longer time to realise it, if you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
Daniel: Right. I, um, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Jack: Daniel?
Daniel: Yea?
Jack: Shoes.

Coela Bellatore
May 28th, 2009, 12:28 PM
4) Sam gets to play with claymores and that sounds fun.


Only if you don't enjoy having fingers!

But seriously the just leave the claymores in the garden at the end of the ep. Whats with that?

Ulkesh47
May 28th, 2009, 03:52 PM
Regarding Oma's departure, maybe the deal is that Oma had to flee the "scene of the crime" i.e. interfering by killing Apophis' Jaffa. Don't know how that would matter in the cosmic Ancient scheme of things but it's a possibility.

amconway
May 30th, 2009, 10:02 AM
One of the things I liked most about this episode, is that it shows multiple aspects of Daniel's character--the spiritual, protective side (in his interactions with the monk/Oma/the child), and his more ruthless side (lifting his hand and sayin 'bye' with no regret before Oma obliterates a thousand some odd Jaffa). Both are Daniel, but you rarely see these aspects of his character showcased in the same episode.

jsonitsac
August 8th, 2009, 12:55 PM
I thought this was a neat episode, but I don't understand Daniel's reasoning about the connection between Oma's teachings and those of Siddhartha Gautama (aka the Buddha). Buddha's thing was to follow the eight-fold path not to a higher plane of existence but to non-existence (nirvana). So, what exactly is the connection, other than the no-depth Hollywood style Zen Buddhist sayings. That said, it could be a cool book Zen and the Art of Ascension.

Sp!der
August 25th, 2009, 01:22 PM
Very Nice and Important Episode to the overall storyarc of SG1. Nice how they introduced the process of enlightment and to pass on to the next existence. kinda funny they did not know that most of the higher beings were ancients who created the stargate. Oma Desala were an ancient right?! imo great episode.

Mrs. Daniel Jackson
October 7th, 2009, 04:03 PM
yay! ancients!
its funny how in later years they kinda forget about the whole glowy thing! :P
i found it funny how dramatic daniel was getting with his new "powers" only to realise that he didnt do any of it (i can imagine Jack wont let him forget that! :P). and i love the budda guy! jack's reations to all his sayings was so funny! i cant remember how the bull one goes but it cracks me up everytime! :)


Daniel. Jack? Shoes. oh...

:D


-Kat

mrscopterdoc
March 11th, 2010, 05:11 PM
This was interesting but it hurt my brain.....the meal was cooked a long time ago???? :P

maneth
August 31st, 2010, 11:33 AM
Great Daniel ep. *sigh* I love both his protective and his ruthless side, wonderful character. And Oma was cool, can't wait for more Ancients.

Darkland
September 12th, 2010, 12:40 AM
One of the things I liked most about this episode, is that it shows multiple aspects of Daniel's character--the spiritual, protective side (in his interactions with the monk/Oma/the child), and his more ruthless side (lifting his hand and sayin 'bye' with no regret before Oma obliterates a thousand some odd Jaffa). Both are Daniel, but you rarely see these aspects of his character showcased in the same episode.

I have to say without a doubt you told the words right out of my mouth. You get alot of with Daniel in this episode, and it was great to see it too. The ability to have all three different sides to him in one episode (that I have seen) was jus amazing. I really liked how you could see though he struggled to let go of the boy to Oma. He wanted to keep his promise to Sha'ree but in the end he realized he would get a much better protection from Oma.

That spiritual stuff got me all confused ... but then I will watch this episode again as the spiritual stuff I usually tend to try and pick up the second time around.

FrodoFraggins
March 31st, 2011, 06:41 PM
7/10

The mystic portions of the episode were a snooze fest and painful to watch. It introduces important elements but in a way that I probably won't ever want to rewatch.

Girlbot
July 30th, 2011, 08:10 AM
Just rewatched this yesterday.
OK, I was wondering who the other ascended was. On was OMa, but there was another one that came out of the cryptic guy (sorry can't think of another description:D).
I thought Oma acted alone when she interfered?
Could it have been the grown Harseesis? Time traveling back?

hedwig
August 1st, 2011, 08:14 PM
I like this episode. But I had a huge problem with Daniel assuming he could light a candle with his mind with just a few minutes meditation. There's no way he could possibly do that in such a short time. He was incredibly naive to think that he was that mentally strong to be able to do that. And also a tad arrogant in thinking he was capable of protecting that baby from all evildoers. Of course, he realized finally that he couldn't do either, but for him to think for even a moment that he could was unrealistic (IMO).

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 18th, 2011, 08:04 PM
I like this episode. But I had a huge problem with Daniel assuming he could light a candle with his mind with just a few minutes meditation.
That's what happens when you have to cram everything into 42 minutes.

I liked this better the second time than I remembered liking it the first. Favorite line, actually, is the last one: "Daniel. Shoes."

Different actress playing Oma Desala. And this Oma couldn't speak.

First use of "If you immediately know the candle light is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago."

Seaboe

Krisz
October 22nd, 2011, 12:17 PM
I enjoyed this more with this rewatch. I guess it was because it was here we meet the enigmatic beings we come to know as the Ancients later on.

I liked their introduction as this mysterious all powerful force that could be both benevolent and then totally destructive....... burnt, crispy toasted Jaffa anyone?!!!! This was an interesting contradiction, and a complete contrast to the Nox with their first introduction. It makes me wonder how the Nox got on with the Ancients in their 'Alliance of Four Races'!!!

It is here that Daniel shines as the one who 'believes', and the moment I'm guessing he endeared himself to Oma Desala. :)

I found the monk's comment to Jack when he dismissed the idea of moving things with his mind as impossible interesting, in that he said straight out, without any cryptic wording; "...you already know how to do it."

garhkal
October 22nd, 2011, 09:37 PM
Spoiler

If the ascended cannot interfere in on our affairs, then how does Oma get away with taking out a small army?

Perhaps that she was on 'hallowed ground' allowed her to act in a defensive manner..


Seems to me that he might have (unknowingly) been reffering to Atlantis, considering it is designed like one...possibly an Ancient cryptic-refference to the first Seige on Atlantis by the Wraith, when the Ancients returned to Earth for good?

It might, had we known about atlantis this early..

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 23rd, 2011, 04:24 AM
A pretty good ep. I liked seeing Sokar's left over warriors. Even though Apophis is using them as cannon fodder now.

The monk made me laugh. So did, Daniel. Shoes.

Brother Freyr
October 27th, 2011, 05:00 PM
Loved the night sky on Keb. Beautiful nebula in the distance.

Daniel: "Bye"

Jae'a
October 28th, 2011, 08:10 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/17571.html)

Matt G
October 28th, 2011, 02:50 PM
5pm and another ep of SG1...

1. Bra'tac: Please! Help! Boy did our guys get caught on the hop.

2. So, Bra'tac was not the first Jaffa that knew the Goa'uld was dodgy.

3. Admittedly the stuff the monk came out with was hard to understand but Daniel seemingly playing fire did look cool.

4. "It wasn't me at all..." almost sounded as though Daniel was annoyed at Oma for fooling him.

5. Was cool to see Bra'tac's turnaround.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 28th, 2011, 04:43 PM
Thus begins the Ascension part of the SG-1 mythology. Really liked this episode.

I still dig color on the Sokar/Apophis solder costumes (I can't remember the name of them), silver might look cool, but red is more awesome.

I really love Joel's "theme" for ascension, it sounds so beautiful.

Tomorrow (I really mean it, we got 2 episodes left of season 3 and only 1 weekday left, I don't know how I did it last month (EDIT: September began on Thursday, that's how)), so it's a filter episode, Daniel becomes invisible and only his grandpa can help him.

Starscape91
October 29th, 2011, 11:49 PM
Bra'tac and Ancients whats not to like about this episode.

dtheories
October 30th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Zen and the Art of Ascension.

Cool!

This is the show's Halloween episode, IMHO. Bratack begs for help calling out in anguish that Chulak was attacked and Pops is alive! Daniel, aprehensive, weary and unsure, approaches the bushes as a rush of black crows swarm around him! Bratak tells a heart palpitating ghost story tracking muddy footsteps and grilled Jaffa in the quest to reach Kheb and the Harsesis child, all of which serve to get his Mojo back!
spooky stuff.
Poor Jack is at his easily startled and confused best with the funniest lines: Oh I don't think I know as much as you think I know! Daniel realizes much and is given the freedom to express his dual sides, and the sky, as mentioned earlier, is amazing.

jelgate
October 30th, 2011, 08:51 PM
For some reason their is something cool about Daniel and Bra'tac using their collective knowledge to locate Kehb.

I have never been the biggest fan of ascension storyline. That said I like this as it brings many plot points together. It shows what Apophis is doing with his new found power and it concludes the search for the Harseis. Although if maybe the search had gone on a little longer. Making it a season long search. Anyway another highlight that gets me is Teal'c and Bra'tac good tracking skills. The rethoric of the ascension monk in relation to Oma is interesting at first but gets boring real fast.

That said its an interesting test to see Daniel give the baby to Oma

lostmonkey70
November 2nd, 2011, 10:08 AM
I enjoyed this episode, but still have one question: Why would Amonette be able to leave the child in Oma's protection? What did Oma get out of it in the first place? I mean, I understand leaving him on the planet since it's not known to anyone but other Goa'uld and thus isn't likely to be searched, but I still do not understand Oma's role here.

fems
November 2nd, 2011, 10:47 AM
I assume Oma Desala could see/imagine what could happen if the child falls into the wrong hands or if he somehow turns evil. By taking him under her wings she could protect him and make sure all the Goa'uld darkness wouldn't make him a crazy psychopath bent on galactic domination who would eventually figure out how to ascend and kill all the other Ancients.

garhkal
November 4th, 2011, 01:39 PM
Plus maybe she felt she could help him get over his eventual melding of the gou'ald memories in his mind..

Dave2
November 16th, 2011, 03:07 PM
I am totally out of the loop........If Amenet was a goa'uld, why would she have the idea of protecting her harcissus child from her own "husband" Apophis???

fems
November 16th, 2011, 03:16 PM
I am totally out of the loop........If Amenet was a goa'uld, why would she have the idea of protecting her harcissus child from her own "husband" Apophis???

Um, maybe it was her (or Sha're's) maternal instinct? :rolleyes:

Dave2
November 16th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Since when would Sha're's maternal instinct overpower the goa'uld Amenet?? And how would a goa'uld have a merciful trait like that? I think I am missing something in this story line.


Um, maybe it was her (or Sha're's) maternal instinct? :rolleyes:

jelgate
November 16th, 2011, 03:58 PM
I am totally out of the loop........If Amenet was a goa'uld, why would she have the idea of protecting her harcissus child from her own "husband" Apophis???
At the time Amenet thought Apophis was dead and she was being hunted by Sokar and other System Lords. She hid the boy on Kheb to protect him from the System Lords

hedwig
November 16th, 2011, 04:19 PM
Maybe I'm forgetting something as well, because I still haven't figured out how the child got taken away from the woman that Shau're's father gave him to (Kasuuf sent them into hiding). Somewhere between that time and "Maternal Instinct" the baby got passed from the other woman to somebody else and then to the monastery on Kheb. Who took the baby away from the dead woman found by SG1 on their trek to the monastery on Kheb? Oma? Did Oma (or one of her co-ascendeds) throw lightning bolts at the guards around the woman and kill them? Who, then, killed the woman (who was apparently killed with a staff weapon)?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 16th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Maybe I'm forgetting something as well, because I still haven't figured out how the child got taken away from the woman that Shau're's father gave him to (Kasuuf sent them into hiding).

That happened during Forever and a Day; they don't specify how Amunet (however you choose to spell that) found the child.

Seaboe

hedwig
November 16th, 2011, 09:18 PM
That happened during Forever and a Day; they don't specify how Amunet (however you choose to spell that) found the child.

Seaboe

Yes. I knew some of it didn't happen in Maternal Instinct. I was just curious about how the child actually got to Kheb and wound up in the monastery. Would have been nice to have an explanation of that.

I also find it interesting that the child they found at Kheb looked to be about 6 months old or so, when it had been born in early Season 2 ("Secrets"), and was still way too young to even be walking well over a year later in "Maternal Instinct" (approx. 32 episodes later).

Dave2
November 17th, 2011, 08:01 AM
DANIEL!!! YOUR SHOES!!!
Poor Daniel Jackson........such an incomparable genius but still a silly kid.........

Dimes
December 27th, 2011, 02:52 AM
It's an okay episode I gues. :)

The Mist
October 27th, 2012, 04:44 PM
All issues aside,i remmber way back watching this episode and aye it was cool to open up the whole Ascended being threadline. One thing is though,with all the hoo haa made over the importance of the Hersesis child then WHY did he fade to obscurity within the show.Surely in later seasons when they introduced a new enemy,ie the Ori,then surely they coulda first explored threads that were unexplored or unanswered to us fans? Personally the thought of a fully ascended Hersesis child rebelling from the Ancients and returning to be a bad ass Anubis type dude who could have restored the Goa'uld,you know i always thought as cool as the whole Ori thing was.It woulda been cool if they had followed up on the Hersesis child thing from back in season 3. I always like to dwell on threads that werent tied up though.My name The Mist refers to who i reckon the Knox or one of the other "#Races" could be.The crystal skull episode,the giant.I always kinda never forgot about "the mist" and how powerful or advanced they were that they musta had some significance.Alas,this too was never returned too ,but some things are best left to the fans imagination and appreciation.:hammond15:

Major Clanger
May 6th, 2013, 06:01 AM
haven't seen this one in a while. It was ok but... the Monk's dialogue, did they use one of those fridge magnet sets of words thing to write it?

Best part was when Bra'tac said "I think he wants us to take off our boots"

The whole Harcesis story line doesn't really bear any close scrutiny. And I found Daniel quite arrogant in this one, and Jack very forbearing for some reason (still feeling guilty about the whole Shades Of Grey thing I guess)

Still, Daniel and the Monk are very pretty to look at :)

Falcon Horus
June 10th, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jack: "Daniel..."
Daniel: "Yeah..."
Jack: "Shoes!"

:p

Oma Desala - ascended beings - cryptic monk - harsesis child - Apophis' jaffa ... what more could we wish for? :D

Aaron Douglas from BSG.
Bra'tac feeling like an 80-year old youth. :p
Carter doubting the abilities of the mind.
Jack's patience being tested.

I really enjoy watching this episode. Some really great moments between the team. Bra'tac's always nice to see. His interaction with the team is bound to be good. And more jaffa-butt being kicked... we can always appreciate that.

Anja
September 12th, 2015, 09:26 AM
SHOES! Great.

Nice to watch when the baby tries to grab Jackson's shirt before he gives the little one to the ascended woman - cute and no stage direction.

garhkal
September 13th, 2015, 06:42 PM
I wonder who's kid that was?

hedwig
September 13th, 2015, 08:23 PM
I wonder who's kid that was?

Supposedly it was Shau're's child, even though this episode took place well over a year since the baby was born in early Season 2.

jelgate
September 13th, 2015, 08:38 PM
Supposedly it was Shau're's child, even though this episode took place well over a year since the baby was born in early Season 2.

I think he meant in the real world.

hedwig
September 13th, 2015, 10:08 PM
I think he meant in the real world.

If that's the case, it might have been the child of one of the production or other staff people involved with Stargate. Their children were occasionally used in some episodes. The younger Adria (the first time we saw her after she was born and had already started growing) was Robert Cooper's daughter in real life.

Nirude
May 19th, 2016, 06:15 AM
I like the ancients and the ascension storyline and all the threads this episode starts, but it was a forgettable episode for me. In fact I didn't really remember most of it until my rewatch. Maybe it's because Kheb just looks like someone's garden, it was quite unimpressive.. though I did appreciate the moongate at least, that was a nice, logical touch.

Anja
May 20th, 2016, 03:42 AM
I think the plot was most impressive - and what did you expect? A castle or a kind of paradise? Kheb matched my imagination.

Nirude
May 20th, 2016, 05:00 AM
I think the plot was most impressive - and what did you expect? A castle or a kind of paradise? Kheb matched my imagination.
The plot was impressive. The execution, not as much. That's why I didn't even remember the episode. Something slightly out of the ordinary to represent Kheb would of been good.

maneth
June 9th, 2016, 07:59 PM
Not bad, and this one truly sets the stage for some important plot developments. It also featured two actors who'd go on to much bigger roles later; Aaron Douglas who basically showed up to die as Moac and who would later become a part of the BSG ensemble cast as Chief Tyrol, and the first appearance of Steve Bacic as Major Coburn, who would later feature heavily on Andromeda as Gaheris/Telemachus Rhade.

discodiva
June 10th, 2016, 12:53 AM
And then change "sides" so to speak and become "Camulus" System Lord in S.8

LOVE how the Canadians re-use actors in the same series .....


Deeds xx

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 10th, 2016, 07:25 AM
To be fair, Steve Bacic* was one of very few actors not in heavy makeup who played two different roles in a single Stargate series.

Seaboe

*I always look at this name and think it should be pronounced Bake-ik, but have assumed it's Basic. Anyone care to disillusion me?

Anja
June 11th, 2016, 05:22 AM
To be fair, Steve Bacic* was one of very few actors not in heavy makeup who played two different roles in a single Stargate series.

Seaboe

*I always look at this name and think it should be pronounced Bake-ik, but have assumed it's Basic. Anyone care to disillusion me?

With names there are no rules - could even be Bacsh!

maneth
June 11th, 2016, 05:47 AM
To be fair, Steve Bacic* was one of very few actors not in heavy makeup who played two different roles in a single Stargate series.

Seaboe

*I always look at this name and think it should be pronounced Bake-ik, but have assumed it's Basic. Anyone care to disillusion me?

The original Croatian would probably sound something like bah-cheech (to rhyme with screech, emphasis on the last syllable) but Steve pronounces it like you would say basic.

garhkal
June 11th, 2016, 01:57 PM
Good point, with names there are often the same spelling for a name, but with variant pronunciations..

Tyrathraxus
June 20th, 2016, 06:51 PM
One of my fave episodes. Another earth religion at least partially influenced by the Ancients and definetly confirms that the ascended are not ALL Ancients.

Personally I found the Asian appearance Monk a little too .. tropey. He played off both Anderson and Shanks well, but I just don't think he was needed.. but I guess was there to be a 'custodian'.

The reason I like this episode so much was Bra'tac. Hes definetly my favourite recurring character in SG-1 by a long mile. We see the man of 133 who has doubtless performed many atrocities and seen much. be challenged by the Tau'ri to finally come true on his convictions.

In this episode he's at a low point. He dosnt think he can continue the fight, until he realises that he can. He still has more to do. Tony Amendola put a LOT into Bra'tac and it pays off. He goes from losing Moac to deciding to keep fighting until he can no longer have a Primta.

We learn that Jack has a dim view of the Ascended. Jack to me though speaks of us who wish to see knowledge applied, not held back and hidden away.

Surface
September 26th, 2017, 09:22 AM
I like this episode. But I had a huge problem with Daniel assuming he could light a candle with his mind with just a few minutes meditation. There's no way he could possibly do that in such a short time. He was incredibly naive to think that he was that mentally strong to be able to do that. And also a tad arrogant in thinking he was capable of protecting that baby from all evildoers. Of course, he realized finally that he couldn't do either, but for him to think for even a moment that he could was unrealistic (IMO).

Just curious, how long does it truly take to learn how to light a candle with your mind?

jelgate
September 26th, 2017, 12:45 PM
42 days

Falcon Horus
September 27th, 2017, 01:14 AM
Just curious, how long does it truly take to learn how to light a candle with your mind?

About the time when it has remembered where it last left the matches. ;)


42 days

Nevermind. :p

Falcon Horus
February 17th, 2018, 11:12 AM
One of my favorite episodes, I have to say.

It has a good bit of action, cryptic lines that make your head spin round in circles, and lots of good character interaction. My favorite line will always be, "Daniel - shoes.", and Daniel looking like "Oh right, shoes, I was wearing them -- where did I leave them?".

So, they finally found out where Kheb is and that Apophis is about to get real close too. They hop through the stargate and find themselves in beautiful British Columbia... I mean, on a beautiful green, and lush planet where they find the temple Bra'tac told them about. It even has a monk, talking in code. Daniel and Bra'tac join him in the sand, while Jack -- who has his own ideas about, well everything, rejoins the others outside.

So, we get a peaceful episode until the Jaffa come and mess things up. Daniel finds the boy but realizes, in time, that the kid is safer with Oma Desala -- Mother Nature -- than he could ever be with him so he hands him back. Apophis' jaffa get struck down my lightning and all is well that ends well.

It's a beautifully shot episode, in a beautiful location with a really nice little story. And there's plenty for everyone to enjoy.

How would you rate SG-1's "Maternal Instinct?"

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Falcon Horus
March 2nd, 2018, 07:35 AM
3-episode quiz: New Ground, Maternal Instinct & Crystal Skull (https://goo.gl/forms/P0Xr2jPLnyxpD5kz2)
Jigsaw puzzle: Maternal Instinct (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=6Y320BKT)

It took me 10:27 to finish the puzzle. I have to admit, it was harder than I thought it would be.

jelgate
March 8th, 2018, 06:44 PM
I always think this is a polarized episode. People either love or hate the ascension stories. I'm more of the former as I like the learning about the child and how Apophis is a bigger threat of Apophis. Plus their is also Bra'tac. Too bad we won't see him until S5. It's a good

Falcon Horus
March 9th, 2018, 04:56 AM
Plus their is also Bra'tac. Too bad we won't see him until S5. It's a good

Wait, no Bra'tac in season 4 to look forward to? :eek:

jelgate
March 17th, 2018, 02:47 PM
8 minutes and 45 seconds;. Would be less if it wasn't for those terrible controls

BethHG
June 25th, 2018, 06:40 PM
14:30

Love this episode! I love the weirdness and the confusion of it, and the monk. Love Bra'tac's new zeal for his life's mission! Love that Daniel figured out that Oma did all the "tricks", and that she is the one that should be taking care of the boy.

Falcon Horus
June 27th, 2018, 04:24 AM
Love that Daniel figured out that Oma did all the "tricks"...

Though for a little bit his excitement is real, thinking he can do all that with his mind. :p

Chantellebaker
July 23rd, 2018, 08:27 AM
I love this episode bra'tac is as sexy as ever and the episode is well written

Platschu
August 27th, 2018, 11:03 AM
3x20 Maternal instinct
1.Daniel wears a short sleeve T-shirt at the arriving to Kheb, but it changes into a long sleeve inside.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x20/02.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x20/03.jpg
My comment : Maybe a spare outfit was in his backpack.

2.The lights are reflecting on Danielís glasses again when he holds the Harsiesis child.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x20/01.jpg

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 27th, 2018, 12:33 PM
Daniel's glasses were a continuing issue. I believe it's mentioned in some of the commentaries.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
August 28th, 2018, 03:29 AM
3x20 Maternal instinct
1.Daniel wears a short sleeve T-shirt at the arriving to Kheb, but it changes into a long sleeve inside.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x20/02.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x20/03.jpg
My comment : Maybe a spare outfit was in his backpack.

It was just a magical T-shirt or Oma made the sleeves longer, like how she created the flame. :p

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 03:52 AM
Yes, this T-shirt was the best of this season. Maybe they were getting better or the Hungarian resources were more tired and less observant. Maybe later I plan to make an ultimate top 10 mistakes for SG-1. :D

Who Knows
September 18th, 2018, 08:22 AM
14.53

hedwig
September 20th, 2018, 08:03 PM
11:13 and 13/15