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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 319</FONT>
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The members of SG-1 are imprisoned on a planet and become pawns in a war of ideology.

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TechnoBoY
May 5th, 2004, 04:58 PM
I really really liked this episode. I dont know why, it was kind of mediocre but I loved it!

I really think they should bring back Nyan for a bit. I've been wondering about him since this ep. They could've at least mentioned him once in awhile.

DannyFan
May 5th, 2004, 05:18 PM
I agree. I've wondered why they haven't brought Nyan back, too.

Sicarius
May 23rd, 2004, 01:46 AM
I like the set up for this episode, but think a little more could have been happening. Seems like most of it was Teal'c sitting in a cave and the others sitting in cages.

Anubis
May 23rd, 2004, 01:51 AM
Poor old Teal'c for hurting himself. Although that little eye device was cool

KorbenDirewolf
May 23rd, 2004, 01:25 PM
This is also one of the few episodes with more than one culture on the same world. Optricans and Bedrosians, I think they were.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 09:05 PM
this episode was boring to me

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 06:54 PM
Those weapons were weird... staff weapon-like

SeaBee
July 20th, 2004, 04:07 PM
I didn't really get into this ep, it was ok, but only just.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 07:01 PM
They were kept in little cages right? like POW's

MadJaffa
August 9th, 2004, 05:14 PM
I always wondered, why not play along?

Why not say, "Yes human life was created here, but the god moved US to another world."

It'd get them out of a sticky situation.

cobraR478
August 9th, 2004, 08:56 PM
For some reason the word "Optrican" makes me think of the Transformers.

Lord Zedd
October 20th, 2004, 01:21 PM
it was a good episode but still that they didn't believe SG-1 and poor Teal'c with his vision.He almost shot Jack when his eye sight returned

Lord Zedd
November 7th, 2004, 03:47 AM
For some reason the word "Optrican" makes me think of the Transformers.
Transformers???? :rolleyes:

Lord Zedd
November 7th, 2004, 03:49 AM
What happend to the dude that came with them to Earth.Nyan or something like it?I thought he was a resurch assistant of Carter.Does he gets to leave the base?I wonder how many aliens that came through the gate now live on Earth?Cassie,Nyan,...

Daniel's_twin
November 9th, 2004, 07:10 PM
Ultimately, this was an episode that went absolutely nowhere. I like it and all, but I won't be heartbroken if I miss it. :cool:

Dana_Jeanne
November 9th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Ultimately, this was an episode that went absolutely nowhere. I like it and all, but I won't be heartbroken if I miss it. :cool:

This is one that I re-watch quite often. I'm not real sure why; there's the shallow part of me that likes it because Daniel looks so good in it, and I like the cages :o

Mainly though, I like the story and what it says about people and what they believe in. The "bad guys" whose country escapes me right now, weren't going to believe they were wrong even with the gate staring them in the face. It's faith taken to the nth degree.

It made me think, though, what would people of any one faith do right now if someone popped up and was able to PROVE that whomever they worship never existed? Would we put them in "cages" the way the bad guys did SG-1?

Nyan was very open-minded and accepted that his people were wrong about where they'd come from; he seemed to take it quite well, while the others didn't. Was it because his faith wasn't as strong as the others, or simply, that as a scientist he would be more open to things?

Or am simply reading too much into a simple TV episode? :rolleyes:

Dana Jeanne

GateGipsy
November 10th, 2004, 05:16 AM
you can never read too much into an episode of Stargate!

I find this episode hard to watch though, because of the incredibly pained expression on Daniel's face when he's in that cage.

I don't think that you could change anyone's mind if they believed in a religion. They would simply adapt, or read what they wanted into the situation. For example, many people thought that Darwin's ideas would be the end of christianity, after all it showed that we weren't uniquely created by god. However, many quite religious people enthusiastically took up Darwin's ideas because for them it proved that there was a god - that there must have been a creator behind it all to come up with something as complex as life. And in the bible, that we're created in God's image doesn't mean that there can be no other sentient life forms in the universe. Just that we alone have that special relationship with God. Not that this is what I think, just repeating what I've read.

Daniel's_twin
November 10th, 2004, 06:34 AM
You're right. There are a lot of Christians out there who believe that God used evolution as his "laboratory" and threw everything together. But then they forget to take into consideration that everything written in the Bible is the true word of God, and what the Bible says is that the Earth was created in six days and on the seventh day he rested. And whatsmore, we keep on finding evidence that evolution couldn't have worked from the first cell of life before it died.

But we're not here for a theological dispute, otherwise a lot of people will wind up being offended and some people might get into trouble. I'm going to reaspond to what DJ asked two posts ago. Yeah, I think Nyan was just more open-minded and not afraid to admit that he was wrong. He described finding out that he was wrong as "Just as exciting as if I was right" because he was a scientist. He's one of the reasons why I still like it. :cool:

Dana_Jeanne
November 10th, 2004, 07:52 AM
you can never read too much into an episode of Stargate!
I find this episode hard to watch though, because of the incredibly pained expression on Daniel's face when he's in that cage. .

Well, you have to keep in mind that I'm simply a big old hurt/comfort slut and therefor I like the pained expression... :o

I *think* this episode was the first one where we actually saw Daniel tortured for information wasn't it? It must have been difficult for him, with all his enthusiasm for meeting new cultures, to have this one refuse to listen to them or believe them, and then to start torturing them on top of it all.

And hard for Jack, too, to watch his team mates go through it, knowing he can't do anything to stop it. Especially since he's the one who's supposed to keep them safe.

Yes, I know these aren't real people :rolleyes:

Dana Jeanne

Dana_Jeanne
November 10th, 2004, 08:11 AM
Yeah, I think Nyan was just more open-minded and not afraid to admit that he was wrong. He described finding out that he was wrong as "Just as exciting as if I was right" because he was a scientist. He's one of the reasons why I still like it. :cool:

I liked Nyan. I wish he'd shown up periodically over the years, you know, the way Major Davis does. He was so open to new things; he reminds me of Daniel in the very beginning of the series.

DJ

GateGipsy
November 10th, 2004, 08:29 AM
not real people? Sorry don't understand...

I definitely have to watch that one again. There is some great interaction with the three of them when they're in the cages. And when that guy drags Daniel outside to explain the DHD to him, poor Daniel really does look like he thinks this is it.

They all suffer don't they! Tealc, being robbed of his eyesight, dependant on someone else knowing that his friends need him. That gets me every time too.

Dana_Jeanne
November 10th, 2004, 09:39 PM
I definitely have to watch that one again. There is some great interaction with the three of them when they're in the cages. And when that guy drags Daniel outside to explain the DHD to him, poor Daniel really does look like he thinks this is it. .
I wonder how much time they have to spend talking with the resident shrink? I mean, they must have all sorts of nightmares and issues and things due to what they go through!


They all suffer don't they! Tealc, being robbed of his eyesight, dependant on someone else knowing that his friends need him. That gets me every time too.
It was difficult watching Teal'c so helpless. That bothered me more than the other three in the cages for some reason. Maybe because he's always seemed so indestructable.

Dana Jeanne

GateGipsy
November 11th, 2004, 06:03 AM
that's it exactly. It was that Tealc was so helpless, and I think that's one of the few times we've ever seen him like that. I wonder how hard that would be, as he is someone who's used to being the strong one, the protector. Then suddenly he is the dependant one, reliant on Nyan, who essentially is a Daniel type of character. While Teacl would have the greatest admiration for his wisdom and knowledge, Nyan is someone who Tealc is more used to looking after, than being looked after by. If that makes sense!

Daniel's_twin
November 11th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Makes sense to me. :cool:

Dana_Jeanne
November 11th, 2004, 09:40 PM
Nyan is someone who Tealc is more used to looking after, than being looked after by. If that makes sense!
Plus, Teal'c really had no idea if he could even trust Nyan. I imagine it took a lot for Teal'c to trust him and allow him to help.
DJ

Vapor
November 16th, 2004, 02:34 PM
The ep overall was cool, I guess, but the more and more I watch SG-1, the more I see some common threads going that really push my buttons.

They go to this planet where a big science vs. religion debate is taking place, and instead of delving into that debate and stimulating the audiance (iow, me) with a relateable discussion, they spend half the episode in cages, and the rest trying to escape, and then that's it.

I mean, the way things went down, I don't even think that this event will change anything between the people left behind. It was just a "catch and release" story.

I'm fine with fun action/adventure episodes. The one with those aliens that disguised themselves as humans was great. This one felt like there was so much more potential there, but they just wasted it in favor of showing SG-1 get hit with various beams of light. :rolleyes:

Dana_Jeanne
November 16th, 2004, 07:45 PM
Well, yeah, I kind of agree with you, Vapor. I like episodes that make me think (and make the characters think), but unfortunately "Hollywood" seems to think everyone wants explosions and all that.

The first time I saw this I didn't like it. Then I watched it again and tried to imagine what the characters (especially Daniel, Jack and Sam) were thinking as they watched each other get zatted. How difficult it must have been for Jack and Sam to watch Daniel dragged from his cage; did they wonder if he would be killed?

Too often--especially in the last few years--Stargate doesn't give me the emotions, or the character development that I want to see and I sort of have to imagine it there.

Yeah, well.... :S

Dana Jeanne

Dead Jawa
January 9th, 2005, 09:00 PM
For some reason the word "Optrican" makes me think of the Transformers.

Yeah me too. A friend and I were talking about this episode the other day at work for some reason and I kept calling them decepticons :D

SmartFox
March 17th, 2005, 10:58 AM
This is episode was good. Nothing spectacular about it but at least to me its classic Stargate.

immhotep
March 30th, 2005, 05:08 AM
i would love it see us revisit that world with the prommie, going through the gate would be foolish, they are more avanced than us, but with a ship we could beam random people up and tell them about us then beam them down and get though to them that way. also niam has been seen, i think he works in dr jacksons lab, we saw him as an apprenctice i think, he work with dr lee and that lot, crystel skull we saw him in, and window of oppertunity, and some others....he not gone we see him everynow and then!

Sha're
March 30th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Yes Teal'c seems really helpless when he's blind and looks so grey. He really does look awful. When the team are in the cages, you feel for them - Daniel shows emotion more than the others but I was impressed that none of them gave away Teal'c. I'm sure Jack and Sam are familiar with interrogation situations but Daniel was great.

Whistler
April 8th, 2005, 08:39 AM
This was a good episode in general, but the thing I hated most was the fact that the first thing we see was Nyan uncovering the Earth Gate Symbol! :eek: I thought it was a flash back to Egypt or something.

Great to see that it's the same guy from the Atlantis' "Defiant One", and it was a fun episode in general, these kinda episodes annoy me because I find myself wanting them to do something and them just making it worse for themselves *soakes head in horse trough* :o :p

fair_nymph
April 9th, 2005, 04:08 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. Technically it could be considered a filler episode, and usually I don't like those, but I liked this one.

It's always interesting when SG1 encounters other human cultures that are within the same rough range of technological development. As always, they didn't actually get to gain any new technology (*sigh*), but still. I love seeing new gadgets and knowing that there are others very much like us out there.

I felt so, so sad for Teal'c. He's such a trooper, no matter what, and I love him for it. He can always be depended on, regardless of his condition. Nyan turned out to be quite a good character as well, bright, open-minded, and compassionate. I hope to see more of him or get some type of follow up (wishful thinking, though, most likely).

The ethical implications of faith were explored well in this ep. Believing in something purely for the sake of belief, and because you are determined to 'be right' in your own little warped perception, is incredibly dangerous. Extreme dogmatic views which respond to questioning with unthinking, brute force terrify me.

Oh and yes, the cages were downright sexy. Mmmmm...:D

QuiGonJohn
May 11th, 2005, 07:09 PM
I have a lot of things to think about from this episode.

1. Many times I have seen the discussion about what can and cannot be done from the arriving end of a wormhole, (incoming wormhole). Some people have said that you cannot put any part of your body into it, from outside the event horizon, or you would lose said part. (For example, the discussion on Shades Of Grey, they say Jack "had to not take his hand out as he rematerialized", etc.). But this epsidoe seems to show this is not true. When the gate first activates, Nyan puts his hand in, says it doesn't feel like water, then takes his hand out.

2. Really loved the science vs. religion aspect and I agree they should do more with things like that in these kind of episodes, then just drop them and move on to an action piece.

3. I hope we see more of Nyan.

4. At the end, Jack tells Nyan maybe one day things will change on your world and we can go back there. I was then expecting the show to go back to his planet and show the military there, burying the Stargate and DHD, very deep underground, to maintain their belief system. Not sure if I really wanted that to be the outcome or not, but kinda thought that is what we would see. Given that Rygar was so closed-minded.

thorshammer
June 1st, 2005, 04:58 PM
Why is Teal'c so clueless of what he is doing blind? Wasn't he trained blindfolded, by Bra'tac to use all his senses?

jckfan55
June 1st, 2005, 06:47 PM
Why is Teal'c so clueless of what he is doing blind? Wasn't he trained blindfolded, by Bra'tac to use all his senses?
True, but maybe being wounded & the larva being wounded makes it harder.

GatetheWay
June 1st, 2005, 06:55 PM
And that the writers wrote New Ground before Threshold. :rolleyes:

jckfan55
June 2nd, 2005, 05:53 PM
And that the writers wrote New Ground before Threshold. :rolleyes:
Good point. That's one thing we sometimes forget--the writers don't always know where they're going with something down the road.
I like the commitment to the team Teal'c showed in the episode.

Caldor
July 31st, 2005, 06:05 AM
So I take it then, that Nyan doesnt come into play for future series? Shame

When you consider the amount of resistance we have to proove the earth is not flat, this episode was quite ironic and powerful in my view.

Lucreleia
August 3rd, 2005, 12:22 PM
What I don't understand about this episode is that since there was not DHD, they were planning to dial home manually. But how is that possible if the gate is stuck in the rock?

From what I undestand about the gate (and I must confess it's not too much), the inner track of the gate should spin in order to dial TO another planet, but does it not also spin when it RECEIVES an incoming wormhole? Because the gate in this planet didn't... :confused:

Am I just overthinking it all? :p

QuiGonJohn
August 3rd, 2005, 02:29 PM
What I don't understand about this episode is that since there was not DHD, they were planning to dial home manually. But how is that possible if the gate is stuck in the rock?

From what I undestand about the gate (and I must confess it's not too much), the inner track of the gate should spin in order to dial TO another planet, but does it not also spin when it RECEIVES an incoming wormhole? Because the gate in this planet didn't... :confused:

Am I just overthinking it all? :p

Overthinking. If the gate worked, then they can dial it manually, (they have to be able to, it's in the script). :D

Daniel's_twin
August 4th, 2005, 09:39 AM
From what I understand, the Stargate's lights just light up at a slower rate rather then the inner track spinning along with the Earth gate. :cool:

Perriman33
August 12th, 2005, 12:07 AM
I think this came a bit close to how the religons on earth see things.*We came through a stargate* --*no you didn't*--*Look it's working right now!!*--*No it's not it's a trick* (not actual words used in episode).
It was a bit infuriating that they didn't believe them even when they saw it work. It was funny in places though, jack had some good comebacks.
I just wished the optricans had popped by to go *told you so!*
Teal'c had a good episode, it was nice to see him talk to someone else other than SG1, and make a friend :eek:

Simonthefurling
August 19th, 2005, 12:52 PM
I liked this episode. I'm always watching episodes thinking "if our gate was in outer mongolia with only nomads around it travellers would come through thinking we where a primitive race when in fact in the same world (in the sg universe) there are nations capubable of intergalactic travel. So for once its nice to hear about multiple nations on a planet.

Perriman33
August 20th, 2005, 01:06 AM
I liked this episode. I'm always watching episodes thinking "if our gate was in outer mongolia with only nomads around it travellers would come through thinking we where a primitive race when in fact in the same world (in the sg universe) there are nations capubable of intergalactic travel. So for once its nice to hear about multiple nations on a planet.
I suppose most planets had the people put there by the goa'uld and stayed unified,whereas this planet had the stargate buried and the people on two different continents started competing. Same happened on earth I suppose except we did it on a larger scale. :)

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 03:48 AM
Great epsidoe the locals looked as if they didnt want to be there most of the time lol!!

Ascendant
September 8th, 2005, 10:18 PM
The ethical implications of faith were explored well in this ep. Believing in something purely for the sake of belief, and because you are determined to 'be right' in your own little warped perception, is incredibly dangerous. Extreme dogmatic views which respond to questioning with unthinking, brute force terrify me.
I dunno, it seemed more like a not-so-subtle jab at creationists than anything. I had difficulty believing that any governmental body with roughly our level of sophistication would propogate a war based only on religious differences. Governments just don't work that way. Nobody's going to go to war unless there are more pragmatic concerns involved.

So, to me, it seemed more like one-sided scientific preaching than an actual discussion involving arguments from both sides.Thankfully they managed to get off their intellectual high horse by having some good action near the end.

Tezzador
September 9th, 2005, 12:23 AM
But it was frustrating to see the guy in charge being so close minded. He wouldn't even let them show him how the gate works...

Ascendant
September 9th, 2005, 03:09 AM
I agree. I have problems with him. He seems more like an unfair caricature than an actual character.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 09:24 PM
I HATED the guy in charge!!!!

Metarock Sam
September 23rd, 2005, 12:51 PM
This ep was good cos it actually almost brought a tear to my eye as I felt so sorry for teal'c who was left blind and alone.
The humans on the planet were having a religon v science thing going on that sounds familiar....

Simonthefurling
September 23rd, 2005, 01:16 PM
Anyone else noticed the guy who placed nyan also appeared in atlantis?

"Stargate: Atlantis" playing "Dr. Brendan Gaul" (as Richard Cox) in episode: "The Defiant One" (episode # 1.12) 28 January 2005

(from imdb)

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0185214/

andrewag
December 22nd, 2005, 09:34 PM
I love how the gate was in the rock face. Very cool.

Daniel's_twin
December 23rd, 2005, 09:16 AM
Anyone else noticed the guy who placed nyan also appeared in atlantis?

"Stargate: Atlantis" playing "Dr. Brendan Gaul" (as Richard Cox) in episode: "The Defiant One" (episode # 1.12) 28 January 2005

(from imdb)

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0185214/

Yeah, I noticed. I was even wondering if Nyan had been given the opportunity to go to Atlantis until I remembered his name in this episode vs. the name they gave him in Atlantis. :cool:

Esquin
December 27th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Whats the deal with having the Earth PoO on the stargate though. It's not Earth, so whats it doing there?

Admiral Mappalazarou
December 27th, 2005, 09:39 PM
Whats the deal with having the Earth PoO on the stargate though. It's not Earth, so whats it doing there?

Dude, some things you just don't question....

captain jake
May 30th, 2006, 11:54 PM
whats the earth poO?

Matt G
June 2nd, 2006, 02:32 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/david_of_mac/.Pictures/Works%20In%20Progress/Earth%20POA.jpg

captain jake
June 2nd, 2006, 06:40 PM
O the point of origin earth, shouldn't it be pooe?

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 10:24 PM
lol just lets keep going lol that is funny and it should be pooe

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 1st, 2007, 10:21 PM
I've just seen this episode for the first time. I don't rate it as a favourite, out of the ones I'd seen so far, but it had some good things.

I'm not into 'thunking' characters, but I always think it's good to see Teal'c show a more vulnerable side. Sometimes, it seems that his symbiote will save him from absolutley everything; it's nice to see him be more 'human'. Some great acting from CJ too.

First
November 11th, 2007, 10:23 PM
I'm disappointed that this planet has never been revisited. They've been cut off from outside interference, their internal wars have sped their tech development to a high and unique level. I expect the Optricans at least, would make valuable allies.

ref season 8:
By the end of s8, it appears that with our alien help, we have superior ships and tech, so could go and pay them a visit by ship. Beam in and out etc. Eventually those Bedrosians have to admit they're wrong.

garhkal
November 12th, 2007, 01:48 PM
I would also like to know why the Gou'ald never got there by ship...They know of the planet as it was them who seaded it, and so why did they never go back?

First
November 12th, 2007, 06:46 PM
We can guess it may have been a similar story to earth. The humans uprising and burying the gate. Then, perhaps without our dark ages, they advanced further than us in the same amount of time.

On both their world and ours, I would have expected the nearest system lord to come along and destroy the troublesome humans.

Crichiel
January 22nd, 2008, 07:34 AM
Disc 5 of the S3 DVD set is one of the best. I love each episode on it, including this one. And I am not sure exactly why (probably the Danny whump;)). I liked Nyan, and yes I wish he had reappeared in a later ep, but I understand you can't bring back EVERY guest character people like or you would be spending all your time (and money) on that! I enjoyed every scene in those cages. I thought O'Neill's response to the questions were hilarious and made even funnier by intercutting them with Sam's technical, and Daniel's cultural responses. Very clever idea there. The Stargate in the rock was neat, too.

Yep, this whole disc with New Ground, Shades of Grey, Maternal Instinct, Crystal Skull, and Nemesis is one that makes me cry that it was put out before they started doing commentaries.:(

MechaThor
May 7th, 2008, 04:26 PM
We can guess it may have been a similar story to earth. The humans uprising and burying the gate. Then, perhaps without our dark ages, they advanced further than us in the same amount of time.

On both their world and ours, I would have expected the nearest system lord to come along and destroy the troublesome humans.

Maybe the mines dried up, so the Goa'uld, just abandoned them. Like they have done on so many other planets.

Also the Gate was not Buried by them, but "lost" in a time of large amounts of Volcanic and Earthquake activities, which may also explain why the Goa'uld left.


I do always enjoy this little stand alone story, has alot of nice lements and is good for Teal'c screentime. Loved the CGI Bat creatures and the ships. Sad we never saw that guy they brought back again. I bet the actor was like "WTF? What happened to my Character?", Although the actor did reappear in Atlantis, only 2 die :(

Also speaking of Atlantis, Rewatch this episode and look at the human aliens Staff gun designs. Then watch Atlantis and look at the Wraiths newer Brown 2 handed Wraith Stunner Guns. Prop reuse and repaint?

LOL

All I could think about when I was rewatching this episode 2day was whether or not they are the same props?

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 09:02 PM
This was an ok episode, but the premise was kind of shaky. I thought it was odd that SG-1 went to the planet without asking a few more questions. I understand that they brought the reactor to replace the DHD. Though you would think, in a sittuation where you would have to use a reactor to power the Stargate you would make sure that there weren't any Goa'uld or other types of enemies on the planet. I suppose they learn something new every time they step through the Stargate...

If you look carefully you will see that in the beginning there wasn't just Mallin and Nyan, there was a third person. If you will look at the left side of this image you can see the third person.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk162/Jacob_Hyden/vlcsnap-2132340.png

HelloVelo
July 7th, 2008, 06:31 PM
I thought it was funny that a race called the Bedrosians sent their army out in PJs.

My Rating: 2/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-ground.html

L E E
July 17th, 2008, 10:01 PM
I really really hate Rygar's close-mindedness. I was waiting for someone to shoot him and end his miserable existence.

Black_Sheep
September 11th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Good episode with lot's of action. I was hoping to see some of the Optricans but no. I wonder if we ever hear about them again. And yes Rygar was super-annoying.

Trig
September 18th, 2008, 03:08 AM
Watched this one lastnite.

Could take it or leave it really...

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 02:01 PM
teal'c being blind was such an amazing part of the episode it added to the excitement

The Stig
April 26th, 2009, 03:44 PM
the cages were a good touch to the episode. Teal'c losing his eyesight was another good aspect of this episode.

Pic
May 26th, 2009, 01:21 PM
What would happen if someone gated to our planet and told us we were descendants of slaves that had been brought here from their planet? I would assume that the "ring of the ancestors" or whatever it is they called it, would be found in Africa or the Middle East (just my opinion, cradle of civilization and all that). Given the potential political climate of the area, I'm sure the military reaction would be as harsh as in this episode, probably more so.

I liked that Daniel gets an assistant! Yay! And I'm convinced that Teal'c has a thing for Janet as he's spent an awful lot of time in the infirmary this season.

Coela Bellatore
May 28th, 2009, 12:30 PM
And I'm convinced that Teal'c has a thing for Janet as he's spent an awful lot of time in the infirmary this season.

What doesn't have a thing for Janet? Honestly I would get sick just to see her.

Dinoman
June 2nd, 2009, 01:18 AM
I liked that Daniel gets an assistant!

It's a pity that we will never see this assistant again! He just vanished into thin air!

He should have taken up a more centre role in season 6 when Daniel was ascended.

mrscopterdoc
March 11th, 2010, 03:24 PM
Not a bad episode, great acting for Teal'c. Too bad they never revisited the planet, or even let us know what happened to Nyan.

Noxbait
August 29th, 2010, 06:26 PM
A pretty interesting episode overall. Yeah, Rygar was a jerk. but it is kind of interesting to see characters like him who simply can not be reasoned with and who refuse flat out to believe anything. I really found his female officer very interesting. She was pretty tough and unfeeling, but she did seem to be more open to alternate ideas and she eventually seemed less than thrilled with his methods. I liked that. I loved Nyan's character. He was nice and quickly-adaptable to the craziness he was faced with.

Oy, the torture. It was dark and mean. I think it feels even more disturbing when it is humans who are doing the torturing than when the Goa'uld are doing it.

maneth
August 30th, 2010, 11:20 PM
Loved Daniel Jackson in this one, but otherwise it was a bit annoying. I just wanted to strangle Rygar most of the time. Nyan was the only decent one of the lot.

Darkland
September 12th, 2010, 12:45 AM
The only thing that really kept me glued to this episode, was seeing Teal'c's vulnerable side having been blinded by his own weapon when he stuck that soldier.

Rygar was a jerk. But it was interesting to see how this character played out because he was very unreasoning with his beliefs and didn't want to take on aboard a whole set of other beliefs that conflicted with his own. Really hated how he treated Dan and Sam. (I could care less about Jack, most of the time his one off remarks ends up getting him into trouble on his own accord) :p

The female officer was interesting, she was clearly not as stubborn as her superior was, she was trying to see a different side and maybe try and see that this may not be what he thought it was (and she was right in the end.) She has more brains to listen around her then he was willing too.

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 15th, 2011, 09:33 AM
A good but frustrating episode. The Belosians are really annoying in their stubborness and generally aggressive demeanor, and even though it's completely understandable - especially given that they are dealing with the military - it gets tiring quickly. I like the weapons they used, and the electric cages are very cool (and really represent a classic SG-1 image to me).

Also, the fact that Nyan is kept on (not just at the SGC but as Daniel's research assistant) and is then never seen or even mentioned again is very annoying. Stargate is usually pretty good at continuity, but they don't even try here. Unless they intended to bring the character back, then why end the episode like that? There was a ton of different things they could have done with Nyan which wouldn't have required us to ever see him again, but it sets up expectations that are never fulfilled. Silly.

The show also hits a new level for special effects here. The bats in the cave are excellent, all the various weapon blasts during the big fight and notably the shuttle crash is great. It doesn't stand up by today's standard's at all, but in terms of what the show had done up to this point it's marks a new level.

- The tool being used to uncover the gate in the opening shot is shiny brand new!

- A bit of a coincidence that the SGC dial up the planet the very moment that it is uncovered. Carter's explanation of the cold-dialling program doesn't really make sense either. She says "we've got a hit" before the connection has even been made. Until the 7th chevron locks, you never know if the connection will be successful.

- First real use of the portable naquadah reactor in a standard off-world mission setting, and it makes it clear that it works in place of a DHD for manual dialing. Nice to have these things clarified. I wonder how many the SGC has, and did Carter build them all?

- When he first appeared, I thought the actor playing Riger was Bruce Campbell! This is the first time I noticed his character has a limp.

RATING: 7 out of 10

Krisz
October 22nd, 2011, 11:55 AM
I like the way the theme of discovery and mystery of the stargate is taken and seen from another civilisation's point of view. This episode has the off world equivalents of Daniel discovering their stargate. We see how their history is shaped by beliefs formed over time, right or wrong, by the stargate.

On seeing this again I couldn't help thinking that the alien commander who stubbornly maintained his beliefs, despite being faced with evidence to the contrary reminded me of Earth's Colonel Samuels! Both thought it better to forget that the gate was ever found!

Teal'c being rendered helpless was interesting to watch. It must have been hard for him to accept help, especially as the stoic strong warrior that he is.

Shame we never saw Nyan again, would have been interesting to see how he adapted to life on Earth, and actually seeing him on occasion being Daniel's assistant when we see Daniel burning the midnight oil over his books!

garhkal
October 22nd, 2011, 09:38 PM
I also find it a shame we never went back to that planet to see how things had progressed..

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 23rd, 2011, 04:03 AM
Pretty good ep. The Belosian weapons remind me of the updated Wraith stunners.

Felt bad for Teal'c. I also liked Nyan.

mathpiglet
October 26th, 2011, 08:57 AM
Pretty good ep. The Belosian weapons remind me of the updated Wraith stunners.

Felt bad for Teal'c. I also liked Nyan.

The shuttles they used were very similar to the Wraith ships in that they could beam up people too! Do you think they used these ideas when they wrote Atlantis?

jelgate
October 26th, 2011, 09:24 AM
The shuttles couldn't beam people

Brother Freyr
October 26th, 2011, 10:07 PM
Some thoughts:


The Bedrosians are yet another people who have great tech that we can't have. :(

Is the Bedrosian lieutenant played by the same actress who plays the foreman in the episode where SG-1 is working in mines below a city on an ice planet?

Daniel gives Nyan a job as a research assistant, yet we never see Nyan again.

discodiva
October 27th, 2011, 01:50 AM
Some thoughts:


The Bedrosians are yet another people who have great tech that we can't have. :(

Is the Bedrosian lieutenant played by the same actress who plays the foreman in the episode where SG-1 is working in mines below a city on an ice planet?

Daniel gives Nyan a job as a research assistant, yet we never see Nyan again.


I think at a Con once Michael Shanks said he reckoned one day Daniel sent Nyan to the Library and he never came back!...;) :P :D


Deeds xx

Jae'a
October 27th, 2011, 10:14 AM
^ :lol: That would explain it!

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/17202.html)

Matt G
October 27th, 2011, 04:24 PM
5pm and another ep of SG1...

1. Cool opening scene...and then enter the Bedrosian military.

2. The Bedrosians...the most paranoid idiots in the whole of the Stargate series probably. It would have been great to see Hammond send an SG-Rescue squad through and pump them all full of lead.

3. Not often we see Teal'c vulnerable like that - was certainly hard for him to give that much trust to Nyan.

4. Teal'c vs Bedrosian....YOOOOOUUUUCHHHH!

5. Surprised we never saw Nyan, either the actor was never available or the writers couldn't think of a reason to bring him back!

Nice ep though.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 27th, 2011, 04:39 PM
A pretty boring episode.

I was wrong, that other guy (not Joel) is still composing music.

We never really knew what happened to that refuge from the other planet.

Tomorrow, Bra'tac returns with information about that kid.

Starscape91
October 29th, 2011, 01:49 AM
This was an okay episode it was nice to see how another civilazation would take knowing that the stargate exists. I can understand the Bedrosians point of view, but they were a little to stubborn for my taste. I liked Nyan it's to bad we never saw him again.

jelgate
October 29th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Who doesn't like a good holy war? While the Stargate being thought as a holy object is nothing new I think this is the first time we see too groups fighting over it. A concept mind you that will appear in coming episodes in future seasons.

While I do not hate the torture of SG1 I am far more interested in Tealc as he becomes temporaly blind. The interaction of Teal'c putting his trust in a stranger and Nyan having to deal with the notion his ideas are false makes for an interesting and unique dynamic. That dynamic makes the fight at the end all the more interesting. I can't shake but thier is something cool about them running to the gate at Bedrosians are shooting at them. Cool but unrealastic.

Brother Freyr
October 29th, 2011, 07:29 PM
The interaction of Teal'c putting his trust in a stranger and Nyan having to deal with the notion his ideas are false makes for an interesting and unique dynamic.Nyan's exposition of science and progress was a nice moment. Teal'c: "You sound like Daniel Jackson."

dtheories
October 30th, 2011, 02:07 PM
I like the way the theme of discovery and mystery of the stargate is taken and seen from another civilisation's point of view. This episode has the off world equivalents of Daniel discovering their stargate. We see how their history is shaped by beliefs formed over time, right or wrong, by the stargate.

On seeing this again I couldn't help thinking that the alien commander who stubbornly maintained his beliefs, despite being faced with evidence to the contrary reminded me of Earth's Colonel Samuels! Both thought it better to forget that the gate was ever found!

Teal'c being rendered helpless was interesting to watch. It must have been hard for him to accept help, especially as the stoic strong warrior that he is.

Shame we never saw Nyan again, would have been interesting to see how he adapted to life on Earth, and actually seeing him on occasion being Daniel's assistant when we see Daniel burning the midnight oil over his books!

Yes Yes Yes! And indeed, Brother Freyr, the Nyan moment was very nice. I thought of this episode as very much an opportunity to get the measure of the man that is Teal'c. Being humbled and accepting of aid was huge! Teal'c is so often the one who is able to speak honestly with other cultures...and children. And this gives Nyan the chance to contemplate his own theories and eventually realize his broader desire to explore. And Teal'c never wavers in his goal to save his friends, even at the risk of self-harm.

I was rather shocked at the plethora of weapons found with just one team, with or without the contents of the MALP. Jack's first inclination to slow down Daniel and Sam's enthusiasm to go and talk with folks they contacted through her special program, was justified because it seems like an awful lot of supply was left behind. I guess opening the 'gate's not the only reason the program costs so much!

The whole torture scene, when a 10-year old looking Daniel refuses to give up Teal'c's existence, causing harm to Jack and Sam was tense and horific. But the Butch & Sundance/Jack & Teal'c shootout at the transport scene was quite exciting.

One of my fav eps.


And belated Thanks, Krisz for the previous link to your town that was used to film 100 Days!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
October 30th, 2011, 02:53 PM
i couldn't stand rygar or ryger or whatever the hell his name was. i wanted o'neill to shoot him twice instead of once. that guy was a total ****head. like most of you i wish we say Nyan more often. i

Noxbait
November 4th, 2011, 08:28 PM
By the by, The guy who plays Nyan actually was on an episode of Atlantis (the Defiant One). I always like to think that it was Nyan...who had adopted an earth name by then and went along on the Atlantis expedition. Anyway...that's how I make myself happy. :) of course if you've seen that episode....well, yeah...there's that. :(

Dimes
December 27th, 2011, 02:55 AM
Very interesting episode!

Major Clanger
May 6th, 2013, 05:19 AM
oh dear, this was a weak and meh ep.

This happens a little too often for me, and I was glad that in S4 The Other Side we got a much much better version of this type of story.

I don't know why the writers have to make the military guys so black & white and stupid. I can handle them not wanting to suddenly abandon their beliefs, but it was all too basic and not enough development of ideas or characters.

Not one for the rewatch list.

Falcon Horus
June 7th, 2013, 02:37 PM
Is the Bedrosian lieutenant played by the same actress who plays the foreman in the episode where SG-1 is working in mines below a city on an ice planet?

Yes, one and the same according to my sister cause I haven't actually made it that far yet and I haven't seen that episode on a while either.

So, New Ground...

Nyan is the off-world version of Daniel Jackson. He probably would have gotten the same treatment Daniel did on Earth when he presented his wild outlandish theories. The Bedrosian scientist community would have had him excommunicated. :p

Interesting story idea though... what would happen if we meet a people whom are convinced they didn't come from anywhere else but from the planet they are on, to whom the Goa'uld aren't any longer aliens but actual gods, and not aliens that come to harm and enslave. And who are so convinced about that believe that anything threatening that believe must be a trick from the enemy.

That commander obviously fought in the war and lost a bit of leg by the way he moved around, a little on the stiff side. I can understand completely that he wouldn't take kindly to learning that what he fought and got injured for, is a lie. I think, though, that part of him was also afraid to admit to the truth. He made a fairly good point when his medic informs him that our team is human and possibly not from around their parts.

Interesting weapons. Teal'c being vulnerable, which he obviously didn't like. Junior in trouble -- not good.

Too bad though that we never hear from Nyan again.

StevenSG1
December 2nd, 2013, 02:37 PM
I quite liked this episode. It had a decent mix of action to keep it ticking a long. Wasn't a blow out the water episode, but it wasn't that bad. I always wonder what happened to Nyan as well. You would think if you are an assistant of Daniel to catalog his stuff, that you would see him on the base again.

chrelle66
December 14th, 2014, 12:05 PM
Didn't Teal'c leave his staff weapon behind?
He was carrying an alien staff when they escaped through the gate.

I Am Not James Spader
May 26th, 2015, 02:17 AM
How does Jackson input the address for the SGC?

Does the Naquadah generator have a built DHD?

And on that point, how do O'Neil and the other dial in the address for home in the movie? I don't remember there being a DHD in the film? Did I miss it or is it a plot hole (which I'm fine with, just curious ;))

Britta
May 26th, 2015, 02:58 AM
How does Jackson input the address for the SGC?

Does the Naquadah generator have a built DHD?

He dialed the address using the DHD, which was in a hole that had just been excavated.

I Am Not James Spader
May 27th, 2015, 03:04 AM
He dialed the address using the DHD, which was in a hole that had just been excavated.

Of course, silly me. :P

It was a couple of days since I' seen it and I'd watched a few this week so they all got mixed up. Plus, my primary question was about dialling home in the original movie so I'd confused myself.

I think I should ease up on how many I watch in a week. :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 27th, 2015, 07:28 AM
I think I should ease up on how many I watch in a week. :)

Why? Just write your comments faster. ;)

Seaboe

I Am Not James Spader
June 1st, 2015, 03:48 AM
Why? Just write your comments faster. ;)

Seaboe

I meant that I'm watching too many and getting the minor details jumbled.

To be honest, as much as I'm enjoying the show, it is becoming an effort to watch one day and fit that in with other shows I watch and, more importantly, real life. :P - plus I think I was trying to get through a quota a week to get me Atlantis as soon as possible in the event they are both removed from Netflix at some point. :P

I've had a few days break and realised I'll enjoy SG-1 more if I slow down a bit and just hope it stays on Netflix for good while yet. :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 1st, 2015, 07:54 AM
Oh, I hear you on that one. I've been binge watching Numb3rs myself, for much the same reason.

Seaboe

I Am Not James Spader
July 22nd, 2015, 08:21 AM
Oh, I hear you on that one. I've been binge watching Numb3rs myself, for much the same reason.

Seaboe

There is quite a lot on Netflix that I want to see but I worry that they'll expire and I don't like to binge watch except on very rare occasions.

And Netflix are terrible for spoilers. The images they use can't be avoided and are nearly always from the ends of episodes and obviously so even before watching. The episode 12 thumbnail for for Daredevil is clearly from the last few minutes and an obvious major spoiler.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 22nd, 2015, 11:48 AM
AFAI concerned, there is no such thing as a spoiler. You could recite the entire script to me before I watched something and I'd still enjoy it. I also don't pay that much attention to the images Netflix uses, so they rarely reveal anything to me.

ETA: this is not to say that I don't sympathize with those who hate spoilers; just that I don't notice them on Netflix or elsewhere.

Seaboe

garhkal
July 22nd, 2015, 11:53 PM
Oh, I hear you on that one. I've been binge watching Numb3rs myself, for much the same reason.

Seaboe

I really hated it when they cancelled Numbers.. I loved that show.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 23rd, 2015, 08:02 AM
I thought that toward the end it seemed clear they were running out of ideas. They started putting Charlie and Amita in costumes for the explanations, among other things.

And as much as I liked Larry, by the end of the run he was a distraction, not an asset. I really wish they hadn't lost Megan Reeves.

(Sorry for the hijack, I'll be good, now).

Seaboe

garhkal
July 23rd, 2015, 10:10 PM
I thought that toward the end it seemed clear they were running out of ideas. They started putting Charlie and Amita in costumes for the explanations, among other things.

And as much as I liked Larry, by the end of the run he was a distraction, not an asset. I really wish they hadn't lost Megan Reeves.

(Sorry for the hijack, I'll be good, now).

Seaboe

Strange. Since Law and order lasted what, 20 seasons, CSI 14, L&O SVU 15....

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 02:13 AM
Liked this one, also would have liked to hear about Nyan again. Watching this ep I always think this could be the situation if aliens came to Earth - I don't know why. Just a thought.

Nirude
May 19th, 2016, 06:25 AM
Other than Nyan and Teal'c, I don't really enjoy rewatching this episode. The "angry government that doesn't believe in the Stargate" theme gets tiresome quickly due to the lack of interesting dialogue/interaction between the Tau'ri and the Bedrosians... other than grunts of course, cavemen with energy weapons.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 19th, 2016, 07:31 AM
IMO, this wasn't an "angry government" episode, this was a single fanatic episode and I thought they did a very good job depicting how fanatics think and act.

Seaboe

Nirude
May 19th, 2016, 08:35 AM
IMO, this wasn't an "angry government" episode, this was a single fanatic episode and I thought they did a very good job depicting how fanatics think and act.

Seaboe
Well they all seemed in line with him regardless. It would of been interesting if the female Bedrosian character (who obviously had doubts) actually did something, perhaps with Nyan. But as it is, I felt the story ended pretty weakly. It kind of reminded me of a really average Star Trek episode for some reason. I don't usually get that feeling from Stargate :P

Anja
May 20th, 2016, 03:38 AM
Well, there was action, torture, powerful weapons and good and bad guys - at least very entertaining.

maneth
June 2nd, 2016, 09:31 AM
This episode certainly left things hanging. It would be interesting to know if the Bedrosians reburied the gate. Too bad we never see Nyan again.

Falcon Horus
June 3rd, 2016, 01:38 AM
Too bad we never see Nyan again.

The actor does return but as a different character on Stargate Atlantis.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 3rd, 2016, 07:46 AM
On Atlantis he's an irritating little *rick. :lol:

Given how less often I've seen Atlantis, the fact that his character leapt immediately to mind when you mentioned it, Falcon Horus, I obviously didn't like him.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 3rd, 2016, 05:00 PM
He's only in one episode, and I think he died.

Anja
June 4th, 2016, 03:33 AM
Would have been nice, though, if he had returned at least once doing some research for Jackson or sth like that.

Tyrathraxus
June 26th, 2016, 08:05 PM
or he is the one that got possessed by Osiris.

Falcon Horus
February 17th, 2018, 10:41 AM
I must admit, this theme is still very much on topic today as it were ... err... when did this episode air?

*checks*

Almost 18 years to the day -- it originally aired on the 18th of February 2000. I didn't watch it in 2000 though, I probably didn't see this episode until about maybe a year -- two years later when I downloaded the whole lot of them and started watching this show from the beginning so I could follow season 4 that was about to air on a local channel.

Anyhow... here we have a scientist trying to proof that his people, the Bedrosians, were always in this planet and that the Optricans, a rival continent, are wrong about this elusive gateway which was used to transport people from another world. The Bedrosians' believes are so strong that anything which might contradict that believe is seen as a thread that must be eradicated and hidden from the public. Contradiction is bad.

So, if they fight to hold fast that believe -- what are the Optricans fighting for?
I guess, all they want is access to the gateway which they possibly know where to find, and to proof to the Bedrosians that they were all brought to the planet by another being -- in this case the Blue Lotus Blossom.

So, the team gets caught up in this unfortunate event. Teal'c convinces the scientist to help him free his friends, and at the same time accept that his theories are wrong all along -- I mean, he looked genuinely rattled to the core. I fear, Rigar won't have the best plans with Mallin either when they get back to base. Especially when his entire team has been stunned and shot by these aliens -- I mean, Optricans.

Yeah, definitely like this one. A pretty solid episode.
The only thing I'm peeved about, really, is that Nyan is never heard from again even though Daniel offers him a position as his assistent. He should at least have made an appearance here or there -- if only once.

How would you rate SG-1's "New Ground?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

Falcon Horus
March 2nd, 2018, 07:34 AM
Not going to wait until next week to post these links -- not planning on continuing posting these at Stargate Command anyway, so here are the quiz-link and jigsaw puzzle for the episodes that would be covered in week 22:

3-episode quiz: New Ground, Maternal Instinct & Crystal Skull (https://goo.gl/forms/P0Xr2jPLnyxpD5kz2)
Jigsaw puzzle: New Ground (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=DHYDKFVN)

It took me 08:06 to finish the puzzle.

jelgate
March 5th, 2018, 05:17 AM
Now this is a filler FH. It serves no later purpose. At first glance its exciting because the episode is pure action. As time goes on I realize it's kind of dull. Nothing important happens and the reason for the war seems pointless. I'm calling this poor

Seaboe Muffinchucker
March 5th, 2018, 07:47 AM
I've always thought its point was to make Daniel realize how difficult it is to be the one making the hard decisions. IMO, he jumped at the chance to visit this planet in part because he was still pissed with Jack.

As to the rest of it--I agree, filler.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
March 5th, 2018, 12:12 PM
But I like Nyan... :p

Seaboe Muffinchucker
March 6th, 2018, 07:36 AM
You can like a filler character, FH. We'll let you.

:lol:

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
March 6th, 2018, 08:41 AM
You can like a filler character, FH. We'll let you.

If only they wouldn't disappear so quickly all the time.

jelgate
March 17th, 2018, 02:32 PM
07 minutes and 44 seconds. That was a hard one FH

Falcon Horus
March 18th, 2018, 12:51 PM
True, that it was.

BethHG
June 25th, 2018, 05:11 PM
10:48

This was an okay episode. I really liked Nyan as well!

I did like the interaction between Teal'c and Nyan, and how Daniel stayed strong under interrogation.

Platschu
August 27th, 2018, 10:54 AM
3x19 New Ground
1.The SG-1 and Tauri badges keep disappearing on Teal’c uniform in the cave scenes.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x19/03.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x19/04.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x19/05.jpg

2. Teal’c made a mark on the Bedrosian shuttle with his weapon, but it is not there when they are landing later.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x19/02.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x19/01.jpg

* * *

Is that Nefertum's Jaffa symbol on the Bedrosian shuttles and uniforms? As it really looks like a flower, so if he was the Blue Lotus / Water Lily, then the symbol could be a reference to him.


Other interesting Goa'uld fact that Sahmet's name was mentioned in this episode :


DANIEL

(as the sparks fly)
Ah!

RIGAR
My people began on Bedrosia as did yours. We were all created by Nefertum.

DANIEL
Nefertum. Son of Sakhmet, blue lotus blossom. That's who you believe created you?

RIGAR
Yes.

DANIEL
Well he must have been a Goa'uld.

RIGAR
A what?

DANIEL
An alien. He must have transported your people through the Stargate…ah!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekhmet

* * *

I couldn't remember the alien "bats" in this episode. Cool.

* * *

It would have been interesting to Nyan (Richard Ian Cox) later. It felt like the writers were planning with him for the future, but he has never showed up again in SG-1. He played a different role in SG:A - The Defiant One as Dr. Brendan Call.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0185214/?ref_=fn_nm_nm_1

* * *

The Bedrosian weapons look familiar. Have they used them for the Wraith as well?

Falcon Horus
August 28th, 2018, 02:54 AM
The Bedrosian weapons look familiar. Have they used them for the Wraith as well?

No, but they do show up again, later somewhere... just can't remember where or if they really do.

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 03:57 AM
We have to find it. I am pretty sure that I have seen those weapons in Wraith hands in a later Atlantis season.

Falcon Horus
August 28th, 2018, 08:09 AM
WAIT... yes, they do... I just remember that I have an action figure of a Wraith and he's holding the weapon you speak of.

Found an image! (http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_020408a.htm)

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 10:21 AM
I am pretty sure it was in season 3-4-5. Sheppard was stunned from behind on a Hive ship by an order from the local Queen, then the Wraith was showed in a closeup with this "Bedrosian" weapon. Hmmm... We will find out later.

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 11:22 PM
And the Oscar goes to...

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Wraith_spear_gun

Falcon Horus
August 30th, 2018, 08:31 AM
I bow to you!! :D

Chaka-Z0
August 30th, 2018, 10:42 AM
And the Oscar goes to...

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Wraith_spear_gun

ha! I thought I'd seen them before. Just like those evil asgards evo suits were the same than the ones in SGU.

Platschu
August 30th, 2018, 01:05 PM
Thank you, thank you. You can send the flowers and chocolate to my dressing room. I knew that I have seen these props later in SG:A, so I simply googled "Wraith weapon" and then I have found the right pictures. I am so proud of myself. :P

The suits could be explained as Vanir exoskeletons, which were left behind when the visited the Youknowwhich ship. :)

Xaeden
September 15th, 2018, 04:00 PM
The suits could be explained as Vanir exoskeletons, which were left behind when the visited the Youknowwhich ship. :)

I remember there being hints of an intended story connection when it was first revealed that the suits would be showing up in SGU, but they were also really expensive and time consuming to make, so I'm sure the primary motivating factor for including them was to not let them go to waste. Sly behind the scenes hints at cannonical explanations for things like this are common, but don't usually play out.


BMc writes: “Mark Nicholson – are you AKA confracto? I’ve enjoyed your comments here!?What was the most used/re-used/re-adapted piece of equipment you made? And, were you involved with those great suits worn by the Pegasus Asgard, which I believe later re-appeared as Ancient EVA suits on the Destiny?”


MN: Yes, I was involved with those suits. It was actually one of the best building experiences, since it took 100% from everyone for weeks to do, and really bonded the team. I have never felt more accomplished than seeing those go out the door. My wife tells me I have to mention that I missed our anniversary one year for these suits, due to working 14 hours that day. But they look so cool!

https://josephmallozzi.com/tag/stargate-props/ (https://josephmallozzi.com/tag/stargate-props/)



Ian Z. also writes: “So, someone on a forum I visit noticed that the suits from the “Lost Tribe” Asgard, and then Destiny’s Ancient suits are identical except for the helmet. (side by side picshttp://forums.stargateworlds.com/showthread.php?t=35159 )

1. Is this just because the suits were expensive and it allowed for a good time to reuse them? Or are we to assume this is because of the alliance? OR will the Asgard come into play at some point in SGU?

Answers: 1. Yes, no, and maybe.

https://josephmallozzi.com/tag/eco-friendly/ (https://josephmallozzi.com/tag/eco-friendly/)

Out of the all the cost saving reused props, the idea that they're connected is still a stretch for obvious reasons but it actually also makes the most sense since we all assumed the Pegasus Asgard had been raiding Ancient technology away.

Who Knows
September 16th, 2018, 11:50 PM
9.11

hedwig
September 23rd, 2018, 03:33 PM
8:19