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July 26th, 2005, 06:03 PM
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Samantha Carter returns to Stargate Command when the Ori seize control of a planet, using an expanding force field in an attempt to gain a foothold in our galaxy.

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briguy213
August 19th, 2005, 05:55 PM
I missed the first 15 min but that was a good ep. LOL, vala in an ori galaxy. How many more times will she be burned?

Excali5033
August 19th, 2005, 05:58 PM
Now THAT's SG-1. But oh man, we are so screwed.

Gargen
August 19th, 2005, 06:01 PM
really i thought that episode wasnt good but to bad about vala either way man that nuke thing kicked some ass though

lord-anubis
August 19th, 2005, 06:04 PM
But oh man, we are so screwed.

lol yeah i was thinking the same thing but i feel bad for the ori they have to deal with vala now i would not wish that on my worst enemy

sgatelvr
August 19th, 2005, 06:05 PM
That was so awesome! I loved the Goa'uld - he was hilarious. And, I love his fate!! So, Garak on the side of the Ori. Figures. He's a power-hungry son of a <beachhead>. Sam, it was so good to hear her technobabble again! Even though she didn't give Mitchell an answer, well, the ads for next week kinda give it to us. I love her comment about the "back-up singer!" Too funny! I also enjoyed Mitchell's command decision-making abilities. As I suspected, he is going to be a great leader. So glad Teal'c had a bigger role this ep. And Vala? I am sure going to miss her. But to think of her torturing the Ori on their end - fantastic!!! Can't wait to see her again ....

Well, the team is back together. I predict the rest of the season is going to be the best yet!!

I'm so happy!!!! :D

AGateFan
August 19th, 2005, 06:06 PM
SG-Me and company Won one!!!!! yipee, but we're still scrwd.... But if we didnt win it we would be really, really scrwd.

Sam was great!
Vala was great!
Shaved Daniel was great!
Teal'c had lines and was great! (still dont know why he was hanging at the SGC playing B-ball instead of politiciking at Dakara... but then thats what I would have been doing so thereyougo).
Mitchell was Great!
Landry was Great!
The Goa'uld is scrwd! (hunger, hahahahaha)
Garek is a loser!
The Ori lost one!

Cool special effects. Team work. Jack got mentioned again.

All is right with the stargate universe.... now I need to calm down watch it again and give a real review. Something a little less fannish, because I am sure there were lots of plotholes if i think about it and I missed some of the Daniel\Vala interaction because of fast\lowtalking.

I give this one an A on first thought.

Oceda Kendara
August 19th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Good show, but I'll miss Vala. I liked her spunk. Think Daniel will miss her more than he's willing to admit. Hopefully they will mourn her leaving a little and not just have it business as usual. Good to see Sam back.

MarshAngel
August 19th, 2005, 06:08 PM
Glad to have carter back. Mitchell was such a boy scout. Vala was great. The Tauri were stupid.
HOW many times are they going to be bitten in the ass before they learn: "You can't trust a goa'uld". Granted, I don't think things would have turned out differently even if they'd decided against using the Mark IX at first it would have simply taken longer.

Gerak's a pain.

I loved Landry's last moment with Nerus. Revenge of that sort could be sweet. No more chickn for him.

jree
August 19th, 2005, 06:09 PM
What is it with Ben Browder and nuclear weapons? Is that supposed to be part of his contract he must explode at least one nuclear weapon? lol.

The effects were great and the basketball game at the beginning was funny.

Gargen
August 19th, 2005, 06:09 PM
lol yeah i was thinking the same thing but i feel bad for the ori they have to deal with vala now i would not wish that on my worst enemy

yea rofl but way to many umm "size" jokes if oyu know what i mean maybe it should have been called .....head

sueKay
August 19th, 2005, 06:11 PM
UK Spoiler fiend popping in here...

Anyone got a little synopsis on what happened???

Catalase
August 19th, 2005, 06:16 PM
I second that. Summary anyone?

sgatelvr
August 19th, 2005, 06:16 PM
The effects were great and the basketball game at the beginning was funny.
LOL, that's right - I totally forgot about the basketball game after all that action. Teal'c was great! I loved how he picked up Vala to make the basket - that was too cute!

Mio
August 19th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Wow. I'm a little surprised. I didn't see that end coming. They left a way for Vala to eventually return!

I really hope we see her again in the future....

TheGreatLordGeorge
August 19th, 2005, 06:18 PM
best episode of the year! 5 stars finally some action! what a great show, vala was great! welcome back carter!

MarshAngel
August 19th, 2005, 06:20 PM
yea rofl but way to many umm "size" jokes if oyu know what i mean maybe it should have been called .....head
ROFLMAO
yeah. simplify

Jkrickit
August 19th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Another absolutely AWESOME episode. The band is truely back together and they are music to this Stargate sg-1 fans ears! Kudos to the writers and the special effects team and the cast. Daniel and Vala's link may be broken but I won't soon forget the comedy and electricity she added. Gen. Landry just keeps getting better and better. The power of the Ori is an enormous threat to the entire universe but this one battle WE WON, thanks to the quick thinking brave actions of Vala. I am SOOOO lovin this season!!!!! Oh and the scene with Teal'c, Vala, Daniel and Mitchell playing basketball was a rare and much appreciated glimpse of the real lives these people have.

Jkrickit

sueKay
August 19th, 2005, 06:26 PM
*begins pulling clumps of hair our*

need...summary...to live...please!

*passes out*

joking :P :D

AGateFan
August 19th, 2005, 06:28 PM
UK Spoiler fiend popping in here...

Anyone got a little synopsis on what happened???

I can give a quick one but some of the writers here can give better ones. Plus I probably will forget somethings in my fannish fawning at the moment.

Prior goest to a planet. The jaffa there tell him to get lost. He uses ori powers to kill them and setup a force field. Some Goa'uld sends a message to earth. Landry interupts a basketball game Teal'c\vala Vs Daniel\Mitchell. T\V were winning. Landry tells them about the goa'uld and takes a shot at the basket.... nothing but net. Then the Fat goa'uld shows up. He likes to eat. He tells SGC about the prior and tells them to take the biggest weapon they have and blow him up (should clue in here that this is a bad idea). Sam comes back. They take prometheus and a really,really,really big bomb (samuels would be proud) and they beam into the vacume in the forcefield where the prior is. They have a pleasent little chat, set the bomb. Garak shows up and starts shooting for fun. Promethous captain and Sam convince him to stop. The team beam back up. Garak has a hissy fit about the Tauri talking not fighting. The bomb blows up..... oooo the bomb powers the forcefield because the goa'uld works for the ori (big suprise.... vala told them so by the way). Inside the forcefield a bunch of "things" come out of the gate (I thought they were puddle jumbers at first)... Garaks fleet is mostly destroyed but oddly prometheous weathers the storm pretty well. Garak runs away. Sam notices the planet is collapsing and that the "things" that came out of the stargate are actually Making a Planet sized stargate. Sam figures the planet is collapsing into a black whole to power the stargate. Vala comes up with a plan to stop it but no one listens... so she just goes and does it... The planet and the gate are destroyed.... vala is likely sent to the Ori universe. Daniel lives.. the end.

wwooo... never done that before... I hope this is what you wanted.

sueKay
August 19th, 2005, 06:31 PM
note to self: don't speed read a summary again

Thankies for the summary :D I read it too quickly, so I'm going to re-read it!

Balmug
August 19th, 2005, 06:39 PM
This ep really made me think... I wonder how many more gou'ald are working for the ori?

AGateFan
August 19th, 2005, 06:41 PM
This ep really made me think... I wonder how many more gou'ald are working for the ori?

Probably everyone that is stupid enough to believe the Ori are going to ascend them so they can become an "actual" gods.

illuminarok
August 19th, 2005, 06:41 PM
If the Ori are telling their followers, "When you die you will ascend." I think it's obvious there is no ascending going on.

jyh
August 19th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Quick thoughts:

- the basketball game was cute/funny, but there have to be at least 200 people working in Cheyenne Mountain at any given time... why were all four of these people hanging out together? Which brings me to...

- Vala in proximity to Daniel. I **know** the bracelets had them linked together, but a) the effects were wearing off, and b) just because they have to stay in a certain proximity to each other doesn't mean they have to be TIED AT THE HIP. For all Daniel professed to not wanting her around (and I believe it), he sure didn't push her away. (I'm tempted to make another bullet point about the fact that she's at EVERY meeting in the briefing room. But I won't belabor the point.)

- the scene w/ Landry on the phone w/ Jack was cute, as Sam materialized as if by magic. YAY, SAM!!! to make a pun based on an old '70s TV show, all I can say is: Welcome back, Carter. (ha ha! please, don't throw tomatoes!) However, on the other hand.....

- did anyone else get a tremendous sense of anticlimax when Sam was briefing the rest of the team in the control room? We didn't get to see any "hello" hugs, or anyone welcoming her back at all. Why not show that? It's been five weeks coming.

- I can't believe it didn't occur to anyone that using weapons might make the force field grow stronger. SG-1 has seen it before, and I predicted it way before they realized it

- I noticed that Garek used the term "beachhead," just as the captain of the Prometheus did, and subsequently SG-1 did as well. Sounded way too coincidental.

- I couldn't tell if the Goa'uld guy (at first I thought they said his name was Uterus) really believed the spiel the Ori were spouting, or if he had some sort of angle. I don't buy the fact that a Goa'uld (as opposed to a Jaffa) would easily, willingly follow someone else who demanded to be worshipped.

- Good to see Landry acting like a general, but WHAT is up with that stupid leather jacket?? He wears it INDOORS, for heaven's sake. Also, he seemed to be walking with a broomstick up his butt.

illuminarok
August 19th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Beachead is a common military term.

beachhead

n. fortified area established by invading forces

keppiezbt
August 19th, 2005, 06:53 PM
a plaent sized stargate? wow

ships? well, i guess that makes sense since the ori told them to build ships!!!

damn, its good to have ascended knowledge huh

illuminarok
August 19th, 2005, 07:03 PM
I made the prediction of them building the planet sized stargate within the Milky Way in another thread, I think they'll try again. I hope they try again. I want to see that gate go active. :)

Erin
August 19th, 2005, 07:05 PM
i think the Ori and the Goa'uld are working together way more than we think.

I loved the basketball scene! That's a perfect place for a hoop! What a great idea! Let's see...golf, basketball... I'd love to see some tennis and field hockey in there!!!

CARTER!!!!!!! I LOVE CARTER!!!!! YAY!!! I'm so happy to see her back! I liked her line about Vala being a "back up singer." I kinda wish they talked more though because I'd would have liked to have seen how those two would get along.

I'm so sad about Vala:( I hope she comes back because I really grew to love her.

AGateFan
August 19th, 2005, 07:11 PM
i think the Ori and the Goa'uld are working together way more than we think.

I loved the basketball scene! That's a perfect place for a hoop! What a great idea! Let's see...golf, basketball... I'd love to see some tennis and field hockey in there!!!

CARTER!!!!!!! I LOVE CARTER!!!!! YAY!!! I'm so happy to see her back! I liked her line about Vala being a "back up singer." I kinda wish they talked more though because I'd would have liked to have seen how those two would get along.

I'm so sad about Vala:( I hope she comes back because I really grew to love her.

They had "table tennis". Teal'c is really good at it.

Mio
August 19th, 2005, 07:13 PM
(I thought they were puddle jumbers at first)

Ah hah! So I'm not the only one.... I thought they looked like puddle jumpers too, but then I heard the no life signs comment.

thorshammer
August 19th, 2005, 07:19 PM
This episode was Perfect!!!! I think it was the best of the season so far! I loved the special effects, they playing basketball (Funny as hell), Chicken!, The power of the Ori are awsome! I can't wait to see what else can they do! The planet sized Stargate was great!

gatebee
August 19th, 2005, 07:19 PM
good ep .... SG1 is back ....weeps minus Jack but was still very good ep. Will watch again second screening.

Excali5033
August 19th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Ah hah! So I'm not the only one.... I thought they looked like puddle jumpers too, but then I heard the no life signs comment.

So did I.

Giantevilhead
August 19th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Isn't there supposed to be an Asgard in this episode.

AGateFan
August 19th, 2005, 07:22 PM
This episode was Perfect!!!! I think it was the best of the season so far! I loved the special effects, they playing basketball (Funny as hell), Chicken!, The power of the Ori are awsome! I can't wait to see what else can they do! The planet sized Stargate was great!

Seedless grapes are a state secret!!!! hahahaha I forgot about that along with the Chicken being a rare delicacy. Daniel and Landry were both funny.

GatetheWay
August 19th, 2005, 07:32 PM
I'm sure they will try again, I don't think they would give up that easy.
I would also love to see a super gate go active.
Ah but when they try again it will take longer because the Tauri, being the wiser, wont give them another boost with a nuclear bomb.

Major_Griff
August 19th, 2005, 07:37 PM
At first as I watched Vala's aparent demise I was very upset because I thought it was just a cheap way of getting rid of her quickly. But upon seeing the final scene where they reveal the chance of Vala's transportation into the Ori Galaxy (Can we please find out what its called?) I thought it was a good way of leaving her open to return. So how will they do it? Will the Ori bring her with them in their invasion armada as bait for SG-1? Or will one of the 303's travel to their galaxy and discover her on some planet hiding among those who don't beleive in the Ori? Or will she be killed imeadiatly as soon as she arrives? Any thoughts?

Mr_Alpha_Omega
August 19th, 2005, 07:39 PM
I'm pretty sure we'll see her again later on in the season.

AGateFan
August 19th, 2005, 07:40 PM
oh shes definitly coming back. And if she is anywhere near as clever as they make her out to be she will probably be ruleing a small kingdom when they next see her, or hijacking a ship. I would be quite upset if they brought her back "converted" ala Sheridans wife in B5. I dont think they will do that though the writers appear to like writing her the way she is. :)

Traveler Enroute1
August 19th, 2005, 07:42 PM
I made the prediction of them building the planet sized stargate within the Milky Way in another thread, I think they'll try again. :)

Loved this episode. The plot worked well, bringing a much needed victory against the awful Ori and some cool sfx (the force field around the planet and the surreal gate taking shape were cool!).

We got to see a little more of the free Jaffa character, which is gelling fast into paranoid and hot-trigger fingered. Relax, Garek, you're among friends now! The Jaffa posse firing first and asking questions after added a nice touch of suspense: would they see reason or just bluster on like their former masters? Hmmm. Garek will probably lay the blame for losing their ships on the Tau'ri. And the loss of Jaffa on the planet, as well. Curiously, casualties were not mentioned.

And what a nice appearance by Samantha Carter! I actually laughed out loud when Landry looked up from his phone argument with Jack to see her standing there. She looks great. And the technospeak is back, hooray! As usual, Sam may not have had the answer at the beginning but she still knows what probably won't work. A (mild) disappointment, as mentioned, that Sam and Vala had so little interaction. I would have thought Sam would be briefed on Vala's prior Goa'uld possession, and be moved to hear her when she attempted to suggest something. Daniel, bless his clean shaven face, was moved to shut her down (meanie :p ).

And as for predictions: I, too, predicted on some thread or other that Vala would be somehow joined/connected to the Ori. Boy, did I not see it coming THIS way! Just glad she's not definitely killed off, and maybe the PTB will do the right dramatic thing and put Sam and Vala together later on.

Cheers! A fine follow up to the beat down the Tau'ri got last week. Ready for more! :D

Just sayin'.

UhSir
August 19th, 2005, 07:42 PM
Glad to have carter back. Mitchell was such a boy scout. Vala was great. The Tauri were stupid.
HOW many times are they going to be bitten in the ass before they learn: "You can't trust a goa'uld". Granted, I don't think things would have turned out differently even if they'd decided against using the Mark IX at first it would have simply taken longer.

Gerak's a pain.

I loved Landry's last moment with Nerus. Revenge of that sort could be sweet. No more chickn for him.
My husband had Nerus pegged after the excuse-me-you've-got-a-bit-of-gravy-on-the-edge-of-your-mouth scene. He said Landry needs to lock him up until he loses about a hundred pounds then drag him back out and ask him again! I laughed so hard! Then at the end Landry did just that! LMAO!

edited to fix the scene reference

ChevronSeven
August 19th, 2005, 07:48 PM
*sigh* The only good part was that Sam was back. The "joke" that Jack played on Landry really wasn't as funny as it was mentioned. I will miss Vala. But, why does it feel like reality has crept into this television show? With the Goa'uld, it was myth and legend. This was my hour of escapism from everyday life. I have nothing else to watch on Fridays and I'm so hoping that this show will get better. Still feels like it's trying to find it's purpose. Great that the Goa'uld asked where Jack was. And we still don't know exactly where Jack went. Are we still supposed to assume that he's taken over for Hammond? I mean, we got an explanation for his no longer being at the SGC, but Jack doesn't get that? It just seems wrong. Now when Sam comes back full-time, I hope that some dynamic is created because it still seems so stilted and out of joint.

Traveler Enroute1
August 19th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by illuminarok
I made the prediction of them building the planet sized stargate within the Milky Way in another thread, I think they'll try again.



And as for predictions: I, too, predicted on some thread or other that Vala would be somehow joined/connected to the Ori. Boy, did I not see it coming THIS way! Just glad she's not definitely killed off, and maybe the PTB will do the right dramatic thing and put Sam and Vala together later on.


Anyone else's predictions come up? :)

Just sayin.

chocdoc
August 19th, 2005, 07:51 PM
Loved this episode. The plot worked well, bringing a much needed victory against the awful Ori and some cool sfx (the force field around the planet and the surreal gate taking shape were cool!).

We got to see a little more of the free Jaffa character, which is gelling fast into paranoid and hot-trigger fingered. Relax, Garek, you're among friends now! The Jaffa posse firing first and asking questions after added a nice touch of suspense: would they see reason or just bluster on like their former masters? Hmmm. Garek will probably lay the blame for losing their ships on the Tau'ri. And the loss of Jaffa on the planet, as well. Curiously, casualties were not mentioned.

And what a nice appearance by Samantha Carter! I actually laughed out loud when Landry looked up from his phone argument with Jack to see her standing there. She looks great. And the technospeak is back, hooray! As usual, Sam may not have had the answer at the beginning but she still knows what probably won't work. A (mild) disappointment, as mentioned, that Sam and Vala had so little interaction. I would have thought Sam would be briefed on Vala's prior Goa'uld possession, and be moved to hear her when she attempted to suggest something. Daniel, bless his clean shaven face, was moved to shut her down (meanie :p ).

And as for predictions: I, too, predicted on some thread or other that Vala would be somehow joined/connected to the Ori. Boy, did I not see it coming THIS way! Just glad she's not definitely killed off, and maybe the PTB will do the right dramatic thing and put Sam and Vala together later on.

Cheers! A fine follow up to the beat down the Tau'ri got last week. Ready for more! :D

Just sayin'.



I'm taking the lazy way out---I agree with everything you said!

IMO, Best episode of the season so far!! Thanks Brad Wright for a well written team show! And great special effects! The time flew by tonight!

Welcome Back, Carter!!! It felt great to see Sam again--she was wonderful! It felt like SG1 again to me. So glad she is back!

Also liked the scene with Daniel an the end in the infirmary. Sam knew how important it was for him to believe that Vala was still alive. Also liked Sam and Mitchell's interaction thus far---mutual respect---bodes well for the rest of the season.

Can't wait for next week!!!

Mr. Seven
August 19th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Someone really needs to serve as a basketball technical advisor on this show. Browder's layups were weak. If that's what you want to call them..

A good episode though. Vala was hilarious. I especially liked the jab at Mitchell's call sign, even though it was an easy mark.

Man, these Ori are looking more and more unbeatable every week.

the fifth man
August 19th, 2005, 08:16 PM
Yet another good episode in the books for season 9. Nice to see the struggle with the Ori really heating up. It was great to see Sam back, and I gotta admit, the "band" looks good together. Can't wait to see what else lies ahead for our fair team. That goa'uld they introduced us to was so disgusting awesome. Loved the way Landry left him to ponder his fate. Vala, sweet Vala. At least tptb left the door wide open for her return at some point. She's probably going to cause some real hell on that side of the universe (since I think that is what happened to her). All in all, I'm even more pumped for the rest of this season. Bring it on, Ori.

Droops
August 19th, 2005, 08:17 PM
I have one thing to say.

MORE CHICKENS!!!!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/droops63/Happy_chicken.gif

I loved it! lol!

darman
August 19th, 2005, 08:17 PM
ahhh...i have a feeling that i'll be seeing sigs with browder's picture and "Shaft" written with big letters on it sometime soon..

sgatelvr
August 19th, 2005, 08:19 PM
Someone really needs to serve as a basketball technical advisor on this show. Browder's layups were weak. If that's what you want to call them..
Oh for crying out loud. If that is the only negative thing to come up with for the show that leave it off. "Browder's layups were weak" gee wiz. Ruined the whole show.

It is becomming apparent to me, reading through the threads, that some people are intent on disliking BB because RDA isn't on the show anymore. Isn't it possible for you all (whoever you may be, and I don't necessarily mean Mr. Seven) to accept that RDA doesn't WANT to be on the show anymore? Can't you respect that? SG1 has been a great show for so long, and it looks like BB is going to keep it that way. Just, open your minds and TRY to see that he is a good actor, Mitchell is a good character, and he is an absolute benefit to this show. Stop crying for RDA - he's happy, why can't you be?

'nough said.

the fifth man
August 19th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Oh, she's definitely coming back. If for no other reason, by popular demand. CB did a great job in portraying the character of Vala, and she really grew on me episode after episode. Can't wait for her eventual return. You know, I bet Daniel's going to miss her a little too.

the fifth man
August 19th, 2005, 08:27 PM
Gotta agree that BB is doing a fine job so far on the show. Can't wait to see more out of him.

tearsintherain
August 19th, 2005, 08:28 PM
I miss her already :(

it would be kinda freaky if she comes back as a prior though... if the orii rule their galaxy with an iron fist, its possible. maybe setup a whole season-end plot with vala the prior coming back and switching sides at the last minute (kinda cheap tho... hope that doesn't happen).

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 19th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Best Episode thus far of Season 9
Loved the Goa'uld, best one ever seen on Stargate
Good to have Carter back.

Arative
August 19th, 2005, 08:34 PM
This was a good episode. The Ori are really powerful, makes you think how will the Taur'i defeat a race that can build a planet sized stargate. It was good to see Sam back but I was also sorry to see Vala go. I would have liked to have seen some good Sam/Vala interaction just to how Sam reacted to Vale.

I think Daniel was truly sorry to see Vala go and he's happy that she didn't die. I know that I'd certainly love to see her become a recurring character. I also loved the line when Vala said not everything she said was inuendo, just a little dig at some people who complained all she talked abou was sex.

JanusAncient
August 19th, 2005, 08:35 PM
I still can't get over the first scene, that was amazing, the power in that staff, what can't it do, it sent those Jaffa halfway across the planet. Two blackholes, massive Stargate, I too thought at first, that the objects exiting the Stargate were puddle jumpers, Vala being transported to the Ori galaxy, how ever will she get back, what the Ori can do via Priors is astounding, how this plays out will be on a grander scale than any other SG-1 season, major prediction I know, but there is definitely a chance for it happening. Carter, looking better than ever, lol, backup singer, O'Neill on the phone with Landry, Nerus, he was acceptably funny, technobabble, was right on the money, way to go there, Teal'c beginning to realize the extent of Gerak's ambition, the sacrifice of Vala, her selfless nature, saw it in her from the beginning, this episode was great.

Traveler Enroute1
August 19th, 2005, 08:39 PM
Oh for crying out loud. If that is the only negative thing to come up with for the show that leave it off. "Browder's layups were weak" gee wiz. Ruined the whole show.

It is becomming apparent to me, reading through the threads, that some people are intent on disliking BB because RDA isn't on the show anymore. Isn't it possible for you all (whoever you may be, and I don't necessarily mean Mr. Seven) to accept that RDA doesn't WANT to be on the show anymore? Can't you respect that? SG1 has been a great show for so long, and it looks like BB is going to keep it that way. Just, open your minds and TRY to see that he is a good actor, Mitchell is a good character, and he is an absolute benefit to this show. Stop crying for RDA - he's happy, why can't you be?

'nough said.

Ditto. And well said. :)

Just sayin'.

Seastallion
August 19th, 2005, 08:40 PM
I really liked this episode..! :)

Yay..! Sam is back..! w00t..!

I loved that Goa'uld...! Ha, ha, ha..!!! He was a riot..! :p ROFL..!

Nuthin' but good things...! ;)

aAnubiSs
August 19th, 2005, 08:40 PM
omfg what an amazing episode!

farstrider
August 19th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Holy Hell!

the fifth man
August 19th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen either. I personally hope she's giving them hell over there right now.

Puddles6
August 19th, 2005, 09:11 PM
Hello,

Newbie here so this is my first post. I'm still reeling over the loss of Vala so I don't care what she does or who, as long as she's BACK, that's what I'm hoping for. ;)

Farah

CmptrGk
August 19th, 2005, 09:13 PM
does anyone happen to have a picture of the "super stargate"?

Walkman82
August 19th, 2005, 09:15 PM
This has benn a great Season
and Beachhead is a another reason why

Great to see Carter Back
the Goa'uld guys wa funny
i agree with the thought that it may be that the Ori and Goa'uld could be wroking as a team
and seeing the Super Stargate was even cool

Graet Eposode

GbaGuy
August 19th, 2005, 09:15 PM
My reasoning goes something like this. A matter stream got through to the
Ori galaxy (making the assumption because otherwise it'd be a useless scene).
But it's just a matter stream, unless the massive stargate on the other side
rematerialized Vala (let's hope not, since it's probably in space), the matter
stream is intercepted by a ship of a race serving the Ori. They regenerate
Vala, but she had amnesia. She would never remember who she is if it weren't
for having been a host, due to what little genetic memory capability is left over.

Token
August 19th, 2005, 09:17 PM
To quote Cam "Shaft" Mitchell, "Now THAT's what I'm talking about!" :D Perfect blend of humor, teamwork and drama! This is my favorite episode of the season. Vala was toned down and enjoyable. I'm actually going to miss her. I hope to see her again either this season or the next. Loved the Goa'uld! The actor that played him is one of my favorite character actors! What a great surprise! I didn't know he was going to be on. Loved his "fanship" of SG-1. ;) I'm enjoying how Jack is being kept alive in the series. However, I thought RDA was actually making a "vocal" appearance :( . Now, if PTB will only EXPLAIN where he is!! ;)

SAM IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_9_1.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzfw003) Now, we can get to kicking some Orii backside!! ;)

There were so many little points to savor! Well done, PTB! Looking forward to next week!!

majorsal
August 19th, 2005, 09:17 PM
great ep! :D

SAM'S BACK!!! :D

*everyone* had something to do in this ep!

*everyone* was spot on!

landry kicked butt. (((beau)))

the jaffa leader (can't remember his name) is an arrogant jerk. (rock on, lou!)

teal'c did things! he actually talked and did things!

and vala... i think i liked her in this ep more than any other.

i would have liked more interaction between sam and vala, but there's always another chance.

vala lovers, don't despair. vala will be back! ;)

i thought vala gave up, though, much too soon in trying to get everyone to listen to her.

the ep had energy and i was very excited when they were fighting the prior on that planet. great special effects!

the ori are super intimidating villians. love that!

the goauld guy was great! i can't remember the actor's name, but he's always wonderful in his work.

but what got to me more than anything else was the sam was back. my fave character and actress. i think at this time (missing sam so much), sam could have stood there staring at a wall and drooling and i'd be jumping up and down. :p

the show finally felt like a stargate ep to me!! :D

(still miss jack/rda, though... )

bring on the next ep!


sally :D :D

Seshat
August 19th, 2005, 09:18 PM
I also loved the line when Vala said not everything she said was inuendo, just a little dig at some people who complained all she talked abou was sex.
I didn't see it as a dig at all. I saw it as acknowledgement. :p

Michelle05
August 19th, 2005, 09:21 PM
I thought this ep was great from start to finish. Suspenseful story (I'm still queasy over it), great effects, great character interaction. The Goa'uld was fantastically slimy and sure had me believing him.

Daniel looked so freakin' hot and once again had such presence throughout. He looked especially good in the space suite for some weird reason. He and Vala are so sparky together, every time he tells her to shut up I expect him to grab her and kiss the crap out of her, and I'm a J/D OTP'er!

It was so great that Vala had the out-of-the-box solution. I'm going to miss her very much.

Teal'c is starting to have a big role to play. Mitchell contributed a lot to the strategy and I loved his nuke-o-phobia. Sam stuck to the technobabble which was fine for a first time back. I cannot understand the tangled hair. It's just distracting.

I knew right away that the force field was feeding on the nuke. Seen too many similar plots elsewhere I guess.

The basketball scene was great but I had a hard time imagining Daniel being so competitive about it as to say "kick your @ss" ;) . He doesn't strike me as the sports type. Maybe he's grown into after all those years hanging out with military types and watching hockey with Jack.

To me they are 6 for 6 with good episodes so far. The best record since S3 IMO.

Capn_Canada
August 19th, 2005, 09:24 PM
wow, that was awesome. anyone else notice daniels aattitude as in "this is a military ship, as in less talking, more shut the hell up!"? I loved that!

Dromag67
August 19th, 2005, 09:34 PM
Anyone else notice Syler outfitted in a nice uniform escorting the Goa'uld back to earth?

Mr. Seven
August 19th, 2005, 09:37 PM
sgatelvr -

For fracks sakes!

I just said that his layups were weak! The ball didn't go towards the hoop once! As a basketball player I have to say that whoever directed that scene did a bad job.

I didn't say anything negative about the actor or the character. Other than he couldn't do a layup.

I like Mitchell...even though it's basically watching Ben Browder on Stargate as opposed to an actual new character on the show. Still he's about as good of a replacement for RDA as you can get.

I like Browder and Mitchell for the record. The basketball scene didn't resemble the game at all to me. Like I said you shoot the ball towards the hooop, not behind your head so it lands next to Beau Bridges.

illuminarok
August 19th, 2005, 09:38 PM
does anyone happen to have a picture of the "super stargate"?

Here she is forming:


http://tinypic.com/autbpe.jpg

Here is Vala flying into her to disrupt the Singularity Field:


http://tinypic.com/autbtx.jpg

Vala "docked" with the Super Gate:


http://tinypic.com/autbvs.jpg

Here's the Super Gate trying to activate with the Singularity Field in the background:


http://tinypic.com/autc05.jpg

Here's the Super Gate alone, note Vala is docked shorting out the connection:


http://tinypic.com/autc1s.jpg

Here goes the Singularity Field going nova:


http://tinypic.com/autc3k.jpg

Aww... there she goes :( I'm gonna miss this gate:


http://tinypic.com/autc8w.jpg


Enjoy :)

illuminarok
August 19th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Also, I really like Ben Browder as Cameron Mitchell, so this is not meant as offiensive to him or the character at all, but I guess now you can really say we literally got the "Shaft" by getting Cameron Mitchell as the leader of SG-1 :p.

SciFiGeek
August 19th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Noooooo. Must. Not. Kill. Vala.

*whew* So glad she's alive and safe. It means opportunity for future (and hopefully many) recurring appearances...again. If they had killed Vala...

Hee. Daniel's line about "We wanted to send them a message," might just be about the best of all the great Daniel-Vala (and even Mitchell) lines from these first six episodes. I think I've laughed more and harder during the beginning of this season than I have during most of the rest of the series. True, I thought Jack had funny moments, and there was often great banter between characters, but I think Daniel-Vala might just be about the best there is. Plus, I think the balance between the humor and the seriousness (and the intensity of the Ori) has been fabulous, and I've been loving the season as a result. And I think the whole bracelet thing has to be one of the best plot devices ever; it worked so wonderfully as an excuse to make Vala come on all the missions with Daniel. :D

(Hmm, Daniel passed out again; how many times has that happened now this season? :P)

Carter's return, I'll admit, was a lot less trumped up than I imagined it would be. I kind of groaned at the whole "we need someone who can think outside the box" because I'm so fearing the return of Super Sam, and I'd really like a Carter that can't save the day all the time in every way. I guess she really didn't this time; poor woman didn't even get to go to the planet with them.

However, I did get excited at the image of the four of them (Carter, Daniel, Teal'c and Mitchell) walking up the ramp and through the gate; I'm excited about this SG-1.

Yay, the return of Baal; this show gets better and better.

Did anyone else think the Goa'uld (forgot his name alread; Nerus?) was going to turn out to be an Ori? I guess maybe not, because I thought I read that we won't meet them until later in the season.

esoap524
August 19th, 2005, 10:03 PM
I think Daniel was truly sorry to see Vala go and he's happy that she didn't die. I know that I'd certainly love to see her become a recurring character. I also loved the line when Vala said not everything she said was inuendo, just a little dig at some people who complained all she talked abou was sex.

I agree...his life just became a tad less, um...interesting? Entertaining? I mean, being adored can't be that difficult. Can it?

There were a few little digs from Vala, that I think represented a little payback to some of the criticisms, the innuendo line being one of them. I think she also mentioned something about knowing when she wasn't wanted when they were about to walk onto the Stargate, and a few before that.

I also LOL at the part where the "bad guy" (I cannot remember his name but let's call him chicken-lover) looked at Mitchell and started to say "you're not--" and Mitchell responded "nope" then he goes down the line to Vala and pointed out that she wasn't Carter. To me, another, "no, they're not O'Neill and Carter"--funny!

And I am so very glad that the girls didn't catfight or anything stupid. Sam was wary but not nasty, her "back up singer" line playing great off Mitchell's "the band is back together", and Vala actually seemed to respect what Sam had to say, which is very different than how she treated the guys. I suspect Vala has a lot more respect for women than men. I sure would like to see more between these two ladies.

Also, loved Daniel's line about needing to think outside the box. Who was more outside the box than Vala? Oh, and also her comment about the ship--can't remember exactly, but something about yes, she knew, it was the ship she'd stolen.

And even I as a johnny come lately fan appreciated the team going up the rampto the gate..and also loved Vala's sashaying through it, trying to look cool but actually appearing to be quite hurt at the realization that she was definitely not part of this team. It was just a great way to show all the characters without saying anything. Very cool.

Mio
August 19th, 2005, 10:06 PM
As we patiently wait for Mio's tivo to transfer the files over...I really need to figure out why I'm getting such crappy speeds...

Ah. Here we go.

Edit: Oh. Someone beat me to it. Ah well. As I said...Crappy transfer speeds. The stupid file should have taken like half an hour less than it did to move. I think my ethernet switch is acting up.

Edit Edit: 3 of mine are brighter :P

Daniel's_twin
August 19th, 2005, 10:11 PM
A very good episode. The whole thing with Nerus ("Chicken! I want more chicken!") in the beginning was hilarious, and the Priors are getting creepier and creepier. I must say, I wasn't really surprised by the shield drawing power from the weapon's fire. I had kept pretty spoiler-free from this ep as well, but I just knew that the Jaffa had to be feeding it.

I must say, however, that I was taken aback by the Super-gate! Although when I first saw it, the first words out of my mouth (at least thirty seconds before Carter said it) was "Oh, wow! They're making a super-gate!"

I'm gonna miss Vala. Despite her crude innuendo, she's a very enjoyable character who I saw as having some real character development potential. I loved that basketball game in the beginning with her. And I think Daniel's life will definitely be a little less interesting now, as well. :(

Once again, SG-1 makes another killer comeback. Four and 1/2 stars out of five. :cool:

Osiris-RA
August 19th, 2005, 10:11 PM
Okey doke, my opinion for the beans it's worth. Well, I have fun writing them anyway. :o

The following are what I scrawled down in my notebook whilst watching and I'll elaborate along side.

Tick tock...Firefly, go away...hmm hmm hmm...la de da da - ah!

Ori - SNORE. Btw, I'm hoping that as an Ori, you get to pick out your own outfits and choice color or makeup because the whole pale, stiff-neck thing? Ain't happenin' over here, uh uh. (That's pretty concise)

ROFLMAO!! T does 'The Bump'!! LMAO!!!! (Now that I think of it, he was about to bump poor vala right out of frame. He should designate that bumper as a lethal weapon. :p )

DANNY SHAVED!! THERE IS A GOD!!!! (Well, Hallelujah!! The man scraped the horrible gerbil off!! My mom and I atributed it to the fact that Carter was coming back and he didn't want her to see how slovenly he had become during her absence. I mean, some people look good with the beard but he looks like the lazy hubby types who sit in plaid beer nut crumbed couches in barf colored plaid shirts and their underpants with the peekaboo hole with a beer in one hand, remote in the other, letting go totally. Now, danny couldn't let Sam see him like that so he pulled himself together a bit, know what I'm sayin'? ;) )

Ha! HA HA HAAAAAA. (This when Mitchy said he was leader of SG-1. Over my DEAD BODY!! Please! Oh - I can't even START to get over THAT one! )

:eek: Nero? Is..is..is that you..Mr. Wolfe..? :eek: And did he just say something to vala about her being carter? :eek: ( I must've misunderstood, yeah. what did he say now? )

Oh boy, do I see a T/vala ship on the horizon? (I'm just noticing 'cause it seems she's taken to bouncing around him a lot. Maybe she just likes muscles. who doesn't? :p )

Taps fingers....where's Carter already... *siiiggghhhh*...

And shortly after...

THE KING - QUEEN HAS RETURNED! ALL HAIL THE CARTER!!!!! (followed by much laughter and pillows gleefully flying and over all partying. :D )

Wait - one line and already she's suited up? Hold on...oh, I think something burst... (Ok, This is Carter S9 DEBUT. ONE LINE, and she's already back in action???? No glances of suprise or shock??? No meaty hugs or broad smiles??? Or bows??? NOTHING??? My god, Lt Col. Carter is back on deck and NO ONE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY except a feeble 'Oh yeah, welcome back" From Daniel?????? :eek::eek: I mean, when Kirk came back from where ever in whatever movie or ep, PEOPLE STARED, PEOPLE SMILED, PEOPLE ACTED HAPPY!! Not like, 'Oh, hey, there ya are, so you decided to show up, huh? Well, glad yoru back now let's get back on track' :eek:First Jack's sucky exaunt now Sam's sucky entro! GUUUHHH!! Where will it end????

Little did I know...

Later...

OMG, Carter has practicaly nary a close up of that new hair do...which...um...maybe she's growing the mane out - meanwhile Vala is running her mouth to no end. SHE'S GOT MORE FRICKEN LINES!!! Geez, she's like that Duracel bunny or those big red teeth mouths with feet that jump up and down chattering! Gah!
And another thing...

Ok, I know everyone want's to see the not-so-puny earthlings with ships of thier own, but people, listen, the show is called Stargate SG-1 - which implies that the Stargate is more than just a pretty looking working prop in the B.g, 'kay? The show is not called 'Prometheus', there is no 'beam me up Scotty' unless it's in jest and the Asgard are doing the beaming. There is no 'Captain on deck' because that would be too over done, there is no 'Thrusters to full power - prepare for lightspeed and crank to warp drive ten' BECAUSE THIS IS STARGATE WHICH MEANS YOU GO THROUGH THAT PRETTY CIRCULAR OBJECT IN THE INTRO TO THE SHOW, SILLY!! What's the point of having a Stargate if you can go other places in an stupid junker like the proemtheus???? Am I not seeing something here?? This IS starGATE, right?? Or have I been watching the wrong channel...

During commercial break, I came up with a new slogan.


LOSE THE BOOZE


Ah, carter techno babble. Cute...I'm not feelin' it for some reason..oh god no, it's Jack all over again...

HOLD - WAIT - HOLD ZE TELEPHONE! Vala is down where everything's happening...and Carter - that blonde chick from S1-8, anyone? Remember her? She's up in the boring ship.... This is wrong in - OH so many ways.

(I forgot to mention that I found the whole part when they were in the SGC funny because I could see what they were setting up for. Oh, nobody listens to Vala, Vala's trying to say something the best way she can - she can't help that she's goofy, but you should still listen to her, don't leave her out. Yeah, I could see what was happening. I was afraid of it and sure enough...

Ooooooh, Carts said a bad wooo-ooord!! :p (She's said 'damn' before yeah...just never noticed it I don't think.... :p)

(meanwhile, as they detonated the stupid b-o-m-b I was thinking, y'know, maybe the reason why the ori force feild is growing is because your genius technology is feeding it. I was wondering why Carter hadn't said it before so I figured something must be horribley wrong cause I don't usually see the answer coming from a mile away before the Great and Powerful Carter. :rolleyes: THEN...

SHE'S JUST NOW FIGURING THAT OUT???? :eek::eek::eek: (There are only so many Carter related snafus I can take before the character turns into someone you might not trust being alone with in a dark, enclosed space for fear you'll be trapped there with 'rusted genius' till your 45th birthday...)

I wrote some kind of ode here - or sonnet, something...


I have entered a world encompassed by confusion
Convoluted Chaos
A web of tangled anarchy
With mind boggling SFX
No need to adjust my television
I'm not in the Twilight Zone 'niether
It's the wicked, wild, wacky, warped worldly world
Of Season 9

So after the huge SG in space scene...

I REALIZED the true horror of the episode. Since Vala first ran ahead defiantly into the gate - a symbol that she was not part of the team and that she was going ahead as a sacrifice for something - I knew it was all building up to something. And Lord Lo and Behold, the Silenced Patriot, down to her final straw, dashes off to save the crippled SG team and consequently, the universe - who - even armed with an seemingly knowledge impotent Carter - were reduced to babbling amoung themselves. So, Vala has her moment in the sun of the galactic saviours at the last moment before enevitable doom - or so it seems. Now, it would have been an extremely tacky way to get rid of a character and I'm getting Pete vibes actually cause in a way, I feel sorry for her, the way she was bumped out of the crowd once Carter came back. Kind of reminds me how I used to feel when I was in school, left out becuase hey - I was just the spunky New Kid - The Cool Group'd been together for forever, they didn't need me, and that's how she was treated, like they didn't need her - but in the end, they did need her even if they didn't know it. So, there it is. The annoying turned into the valient. TPTB are sneaky devils They've managed to make me at least sympathize with a grand total of TWO previously annoying characters. Bravo guys. Bravo.

So kiddies, what have we learned? In the words of the slightly foul mouthed Frank off of Everybody Loves Raymond:

Mark IX's are exploding c**p. Prometheus's are floating c**p. Ori Priors are Book Of Ori thumping c**p.

I suppose carter's return should be making me happier, but since as I suspected, they used her as a Vala buffer, my elation was fun while it lasted. *shrug*

Hallowed are The Gods of Sci Fi Programming. :rolleyes: and whatever sub-gods and godesses be they...

majorsal
August 19th, 2005, 10:14 PM
My husband had Nerus pegged after the excuse-me-you've-got-a-bit-of-gravy-on-the-edge-of-your-mouth scene. He said Landry needs to lock him up until he loses about a hundred pounds then drag him back out and ask him again! I laughed so hard! Then at the end Landry did just that! LMAO!

edited to fix the scene reference

wasn't maury chaykin (nerus) and beau (landry) wonderful! we saw two pros in action!


sally :D

epiphany
August 19th, 2005, 10:18 PM
I just said that his layups were weak! The ball didn't go towards the hoop once! As a basketball player I have to say that whoever directed that scene did a bad job.

The layups were supposed to be weak. Just because they were playing doesn't mean that Mitchell is actually any good at it. :) Actually Daniel was a surprisngly good passer, he got the ball to the offense, the offense(Mitchell) just kept missing the shots. :)

SunKrux
August 19th, 2005, 10:30 PM
Well, well, well, the most annoying (to some) character saved the universe. How frellin' cool is that?!

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_46.gif
Now I'm sad...Vala is gone...but not for long. :D

Glad Carter is back. Loved Jack yankin' Landry's chain about Sam and then volia! Sam was there. :D Woooohooooo!

Ok...I do like Lou, but really...LOOSE the Shatner acting style dude, you are sooooo much better than that! "I a m Gar ak". Puhlease...spare me!

Was I the only one laughing at those "space suits"?? The arms were just too funny! All short and stickyouty like that. Who thought those things up? Were they high? ;)

Have I mentioned that I'm gonna miss Vala, while she's gone? Seriously glad Sam is back...but wanted more interaction between her and Vala.

"Shut yo mouth! I'm talkin' bout Shaft". I pray to Chilnac(FS Sebecean god) that Ben didn't come up with that "call sign" for Mitchell. It's just LAME! Sorry Ben.

All in all, another great eps. Will seriously miss Vala, but glad they left a light on for her. :D Glad Sam's back and can't wait to see how she solves the problem of a building size bomb. :D

gatebee
August 19th, 2005, 10:36 PM
for the first time all four of them together as a team...sniff, sniff no Jack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/PDVD_144.jpg

ToasterOnFire
August 19th, 2005, 10:38 PM
The layups were supposed to be weak. Just because they were playing doesn't mean that Mitchell is actually any good at it. :)Hmm...it would appear that Cam received the same grade for both fencing and basketball. :D

While we're on the subject of Cam, I find that most of his quips just seem...off. I can't tell if they're out of place or if they're just poorly written or both. Several times I expected him to pantomime tapping a microphone and then say "Is this thing on?"

And I'm adopting "a little less talking, a little more shut-the-hell-up" to use at my whim. :D

SunKrux
August 19th, 2005, 10:42 PM
And I'm adopting "a little less talking, a little more shut-the-hell-up" to use at my whim. :D

Don't hog it. ;) That was funny. :D

Osiris-RA
August 19th, 2005, 10:43 PM
"Shut yo mouth! I'm talkin' bout Shaft".
Gaah, he said that? Out loud?? :S

Technicaly, that's something Mulder would say....:p

SunKrux
August 19th, 2005, 10:48 PM
Gaah, he said that? Out loud?? :S

Technicaly, that's something Mulder would say....:p

:eek: Good heavens NO! I was just sharing my take on how lame I think his "call sign" is. Cam Shaft? LAME and very, obvious. Shoulda gone with something else. Not sure what...but not Shaft. I can just hear all the "Shaft" jokes now. Wish I couldn't. LOL

Osiris-RA
August 19th, 2005, 10:52 PM
:eek: Good heavens NO! I was just sharing my take on how lame I think his "call sign" is. Cam Shaft? LAME and very, obvious. Shoulda gone with something else. Not sure what...but not Shaft. I can just hear all the "Shaft" jokes now. Wish I couldn't. LOL
Oh! Whew! Don't scare me like that! :p

"Cam Shaft" is the call sign? *blink* Thank god I missed that one. You're right, that's ...that's beyond lame actually. Doesn't even make that much sense tactically or whatever. Whatever happened to the good ones like 'FireBird' or 'Shadow Flier' or 'Kukaburra' or something? :S

SunKrux
August 19th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Oh! Whew! Don't scare me like that! :p

"Cam Shaft" is the call sign? *blink* Thank god I missed that one. You're right, that's ...that's beyond lame actually. Doesn't even make that much sense tactically or whatever. Whatever happened to the good ones like 'FireBird' or 'Shadow Flier' or 'Kukaburra' or something? :S

No, his call sign is "Shaft". His name is Cameron...Cam for short. Hence the "Shaft" (it's an automotive part or something like that) call sign. Lame, imho. But what do I know? LOL

Osiris-RA
August 19th, 2005, 11:03 PM
:eek: :S Just plain old Shaft huh? That's even worse - and well worth a few movie related cracks. :p Well... we can only hope Ben wasn't behind that one. :p

majorsal
August 19th, 2005, 11:16 PM
for the first time all four of them together as a team...sniff, sniff no Jack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/FilBrit1/PDVD_144.jpg

thanks, gatebee. ;)

but no jack... no rda.... :( BUT, knowing that rda is happy, and liking mitchell so much, it makes it easier to handle this *new* sg1. or, sg-me, since no one's agreed to rejoin and make it official. yet.

sam's back!! :D



sally :D

JanusAncient
August 19th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Yes, the formation of the new team, kind of obvious them sending Vala through the gate first, as her departure was eminent.

Blend
August 19th, 2005, 11:56 PM
10/10

GREAT EP!

Teamwork,
Planetary shields,
Prometheus,
Jaffa,
Goaulds,
Hataks,
Chicken,
400m stargates,
Blackholes,
Mach 7 nukes!

It had it all. Bar Jack, but to be honest this is the first episode that i didnt really miss him in.

If they keep this up, ill be greatly impressed with s9

Hyperspace
August 19th, 2005, 11:56 PM
This was one of the best eps of the season so far. Of course, it was an expected 'escalation/tension' ep where the invasion is averted at the last minute. But it was done very well and was quite enjoyable.

I thought the action plot was quite nicely done, even if Carter returns/Vala interaction scenes were minimized. I too would like to see more team interaction at the return of Carter, but it was sort of like how she responds to Mitchell's 'rejoin the team' comment--with a blank non-reaction. So I guess we'll have to wait and see for more of the fun emotional stuff of the team coming back together.

Daniel Jackson's shaved clean face? :)

Samantha Carter's 'wet' hair? Dunno...looks ok...wonder if it's the 'look' this season. BTW, she looks great after having just had a baby! :)

Glad to see the Ori finally got beaten for once!!! Liked the food...the jokes...

IF Vala comes back as a Prior or 'converted' I will be seriously disgusted. I don't want to see that happen. I think Vala's character arc is unique enough, thank you very much, from privateer to Goa'uld to somewhat more redemptive 'inner heart'...I would prefer to see her return as she was, a little worse for the wear...but perhaps with less of the kleptomania. It would be great if she took over a planet of her own!!!

As for the Ori, we still don't know very much, but I hope they don't go on for season after season. So far, the tension is building nicely...but I hope it doesn't become an entrenched threat that takes as long as the Goa'uld to remove.

This ep was quite interesting and I enjoyed it.

Thor's Pal
August 19th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Two thoughts:

1) The "Welcome back Carter." theam I've been seeing in the thread and everyone complaining that they should have played up her return more. I'm sure TPTB wanted to do that- but if they did that something else would have been cut.


2) The Planet-Gate Could you imagin the "Kawoosh" that Gate would create? :eek: Is there any estimates on out there on how far out the "Kawoosh" goes? I can't think of anything- so for number purposes, lets say the it extends 40 ft on a standard gate. So lets see... gate Dia of 22 ft=40 ft kawoosh so a gate 400 M (not sure if that right) dia would cause....
727.27m/.45 mile kawoosh
(willing to adjust if someone gives me the proper Gate dia/kawoosh distance)


Otherwise, outstanding ep.

BodenMaddox
August 20th, 2005, 12:02 AM
My reasoning goes something like this. A matter stream got through to the
Ori galaxy (making the assumption because otherwise it'd be a useless scene).
But it's just a matter stream, unless the massive stargate on the other side
rematerialized Vala (let's hope not, since it's probably in space), the matter
stream is intercepted by a ship of a race serving the Ori.

I think they answered this question in the show, when Vala told them that a ring would lock on to the closest ring. If her stream was sucked down the blackhole to the other end of the connection in their galaxy, then it would lock onto the closest set of rings in that galaxy. Since they were also Ancients, we can guess that they have rings over there too... :)

I'm guessing she pops onto a planet in some temple or structure and then she leads her own adventures trying to get back.

Dave Thomer
August 20th, 2005, 12:27 AM
I enjoyed it. I'm new to the show as a week-to-week watcher - I started watching toward the end of S8 when I found out Ben Browder was going to join. So the whole band-back-together bit wasn't as significant for me as it probably was for longtime fans. It is good to see Carter back. I'm kinda glad it was low-key, myself. The sense I got was that, kind of like Jack, Sam was very much a part of these characters' off-screen lives. I gotta think Mitchell's been bouncing stuff off her. It seems she's been in touch with Daniel, because they've been talking about the bracelets. (Although the backup singer line might work against that interpretation.) So it's not quite as momentous for them to see Sam Carter back as it is for us to see Amanda Tapping back, y'know?

The visual of the massive gate was neat. I'm trying to think about how feasible it would be for the Ori to use conventional Stargates to get the individual pieces over. Maybe they're a lot heavier than a single Prior, making it less feasible. I'm guessing the Ori have helped the Priors and Doci build that armada they talked about in Origin pretty quickly. I wonder if they could just have it fly to the Milky Way conventionally.

The bits with Gerak were probably more interesting to me than the main plot. His way of doing things is likely to cause more problems before it's all over. Which raises the question of why Teal'c is playing basketball and going on missions rather than trying to build up support on the council. He may have his reasons, but I'm kinda irked they dropped that thread.

The confontation with the Prior didn't have much oomph for me. But then again, they didn't really get a lot of oomph out of an entire planet's population being slaughtered. That seems to be in keeping with the show's style, though, so I guess I'll just roll with it.

John Preston
August 20th, 2005, 01:19 AM
Gerak is an idiot.
An utter idiot.

A complete and horribly 100% total idiot.




Yet somehow he is respected by the Jaffa.


:S

tsaxlady
August 20th, 2005, 01:33 AM
Just finished watching Beachhead for a second time. The first time I was home alone but for the second viewing I was at a after gig Stargate party with the boys in the band.

We loved Beachhead. The 'extra backup singer' comment had us all laughing - we cheered as the team went up the ramp - it was so good seeing Carter back - everyone agreed this was the best episode so far this season - it was great to get an episode that had more of a team feel to it - can't wait for the next couple of episodes as the team really does come back together. We all hope that Vala will be back either later this season or early next season.

Overall review from the band "Two Thumbs Up"

Kalliope
August 20th, 2005, 01:42 AM
Rescue mission to get Vala out of the Ori world!!!! Any volunteers?

Nurgle
August 20th, 2005, 01:47 AM
One MAJOR flaw in this ep.... the blocks of the ubergate were about 125% the size of the cargo ship, yet they managed to fit through the normal gate? (When the cargo shpi took the position as the last link, you could see the blocks were pretty much solid)

kadosho
August 20th, 2005, 01:57 AM
Definitely an ep worth keeping an eye out for.
Even though all paths have been made, anything could happen.
And Vala's choice really left a mark behind. What's next, and the here & now.
For one, its a definite sign Vala may even turn the tables, the next time we'll see her.

Kudos to Sam's return, its great to have her back on the team.
Talk about quite a bit of catch-up that's gonna be made.
Maybe there's more she will get a chance to tell the crew soon enough.

macktheknife
August 20th, 2005, 02:14 AM
This was a good ep.

Poor vala.

Hedonisim bot was a bit weird, but at least we known chickens are an earth-native species.

Carbito
August 20th, 2005, 03:12 AM
So have they effectivly killed of Vala or does anyone think there is a possibility that she may return in future episodes?

macktheknife
August 20th, 2005, 03:43 AM
I think she'll be back.

BTW the Atlantis Nuke was better than this one.

Crichton
August 20th, 2005, 03:43 AM
I think Daniel and Mitchell are the best characters on the show now, with that said, Mitchell ambarassed himself playing basketball. It was literally two of the worst drives I've ever seen. It was awesome seeing the Jaffa finally come in to play here but man...Tealc was still dragging down every scene. Some of the concepts in the episode were awesome, the expanding forcefield consuming the planet-nuclear bombs not doing anything...that's intense stuff-great writing. But Tealc just doesn't ever seem like he's doing anything but standing there calmly, it sucks the tension right out of a scene.

I'm just nitpicking though-overall I liked the episode but more than anything; I LOVE the Ori. This new villian is soooo imensely powerful that I can't even imagine how SG-1 will stand up to them.

ChevronSeven
August 20th, 2005, 05:11 AM
Oh for crying out loud. If that is the only negative thing to come up with for the show that leave it off. "Browder's layups were weak" gee wiz. Ruined the whole show.

It is becomming apparent to me, reading through the threads, that some people are intent on disliking BB because RDA isn't on the show anymore. Isn't it possible for you all (whoever you may be, and I don't necessarily mean Mr. Seven) to accept that RDA doesn't WANT to be on the show anymore? Can't you respect that? SG1 has been a great show for so long, and it looks like BB is going to keep it that way. Just, open your minds and TRY to see that he is a good actor, Mitchell is a good character, and he is an absolute benefit to this show. Stop crying for RDA - he's happy, why can't you be?

'nough said.

I don't dislike Browder - he's a great guy and has nothing but nice things to say. I've even rented the first disc of Farscape to see his other character.

But, how is this any different from when Michael left the show and the fans compared Jonas to Daniel? How Jonas wasn't Daniel and they wanted him back. I'm extraordinarily happy that RDA chose to leave - especially to be with his daughter. To me, it's obvious how they're pointing out the differences between O'Neill and Mitchell. Mitchell seems like a great guy and I don't dislike him.

My complaint is that in the past seasons, you could sense that SG-1 and everyone at the SGC saved the world week after week...and then went grocery shopping. They were heroes and we didn't know it - they walked among us. It doesn't feel that way anymore. Sam's return filled a partial void. Vala was great, she was over the top great. I love this show and am disappointed as how it feels flat. I'm disappointed at how RDA's exit was handled - it was a disgrace to a character that was the soul of the series. Robert Cooper could've done better. And Rick could've done better with his delivery, too. The Ori hit too close to what's happening in society today. Why have we stopped being explorers?

Nessva
August 20th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Quite liked this one, and it was great to see Amanda back in the show. I don't like Gerak, but I've never really loved the Jaffa storyline to a big extent, so it doesn't really bother me.

I was really liking Vala, so I hope we do come across her again at some point. Still think the Orii are more annoying than scary.

Love them all playing Basketball, and Teal'c/Vala's interactions were quite good. Alien vs Human was a good idea for that scene.

It was also nice to see Teal'c say more than about 3 words in the episode.

Despite not really liking the Jaffa storyline to a great extent, I liked the fact that the Jaffa on this planet stood up for themselves, and didn't seem to need the Jaffa council or anyone else to do it for them, as they sometimes seem like they need to.

jyh
August 20th, 2005, 05:52 AM
Why weren't the people on Prometheus more concerned about their proximity to a planet that was going to implode and then explode? Supergate or no, they were pretty much right next door to what was going to be a nuclear event. I realize their main mission was to destroy the thing so the Ori don't get a foothold, but there is also truth in the saying "those who fight and run away, live to fight another day."

I too feel that Vala should have tried harder to get someone to listen to her... she isn't really the type of person I would call a do-gooder, or someone who would put her life on the line easily, even to save others. I know some people will cry 'character development,' but you don't develop character in five minutes. One minute she's urging that Prometheus leave and go home, and the next she's on a suicide mission. That doesn't add up, in my book.

Good point someone brought up about the 'things' making up the supergate being too big to fit through a standard gate. Just a little detail that the writers didn't think about, I guess. And by the way, were they bombs, or gate links? They're the things that hit/impacted the Prometheus, yet they also doubled as links for the supergate.

All in all, I liked the episode. Still don't think Teal'c had much to do. (And he's still talking a bit funny, drawing out the last syllable of his words.) In fact, (**cringe, cringe, don't hurt me!!**) I really don't think SG-1 worked too much as a team in this episode. There were too many other people involved for SG-1 to work as a tem. Carter did a lot of thinking/theorizing on the Prometheus, Teal'c gave his opinion of Nerus in the beginning but otherwise didn't add anything to the mix. Daniel didn't have any Daniel-stuff to do, other than a few lame sentences in trying to "talk" to the prior. (Fat chance that had of succeeding.) And Mitchell did his macho-military "here's the deal, you better leave or we'll blow you up" speech. (Which is exactly what O'Neill would have done, by the way.)

Well, good to Sam back, and it was a good set-up for upcoming episodes, especially now that we have some idea of the 'power' of the Ori, and how they're capable of thinking not only outside the standard box, but outside the whole frickin' room.

Albion
August 20th, 2005, 06:44 AM
Well, I enjoyed this one. It had a lot of cute moments in it and it's great to see Sam back. Of course Garek is a moron - but then he's supposed to be. He fulfils the same role in this as whatsihername did in DS9 (the irritating Bajoran spiritual leader). I'm sure he's going to be a major thorn in the side of SG1 for the remainder of the season.

I loved the little tag at the end with Daniel's 'message' comment. And I'm sure Vala will show up at some point in the future, alive and well, and having turned the situation to her advantage, as usual. :p I'll miss her, I think, but I'm glad to have Sam and the team back and although I've enjoyed Vala's involvement in the season I couldn't see that happening so long as she was there. So I do feel her removal was a necessary evil to advance us into the season.

I enjoyed the little 'Jack' moments. I could just imagine the smirk on his face as he put down the phone on teasing Landry. And I LOL'd at the Goa'uld's appraisal of Mitchell and that quick, 'one, two' conversation:

"You're not - "
"Nope."
"Will he be - ?"
"Nope."

:p

I do feel cheated somewhat and that we've, once again, been led astray by TPTB, on the more emotional aspects of the episode. We were told, for example, that Sam returned to the SGC to help, 'despite mixed feelings'. Where were these? I saw no trace of ambiguity in her. She came back as ordered, she leapt right in. No hesitations, no voiced misgivings.

I love the action/adventure, the humour - but the emotional beats in Stargate were always its heart for me and time and again, this season it seems to me TPTB have promised us these beats and then they've failed to appear when the episode is aired. This has been, to date, a major disappointment for this fan and has slightly taken the shine off my enjoyment of the episodes.

For all that, this was, once again, an enjoyable episode that I'll love watching again, with a ton of little moments I adore. I still find the Ori pretty dull as a threat, haven't had a single shiver down the spine yet. But what the hey. I don't usually find much of interest in episodes aboard ship either, but the action in this one did keep me engaged. As always though, it's the characters and how they interact and the humour that keep me watching and this one had more than enough of those moments to satisfy me.

Albion :)

ForeverSg1
August 20th, 2005, 06:44 AM
I think Daniel and Mitchell are the best characters on the show now, with that said, Mitchell ambarassed himself playing basketball. It was literally two of the worst drives I've ever seen. It was awesome seeing the Jaffa finally come in to play here but man...Tealc was still dragging down every scene. Some of the concepts in the episode were awesome, the expanding forcefield consuming the planet-nuclear bombs not doing anything...that's intense stuff-great writing. But Tealc just doesn't ever seem like he's doing anything but standing there calmly, it sucks the tension right out of a scene.

I'm just nitpicking though-overall I liked the episode but more than anything; I LOVE the Ori. This new villian is soooo imensely powerful that I can't even imagine how SG-1 will stand up to them.

Well unfortunately, Teac'c is more of a fighter than a talker. If there isn't a lot of fighting going on, Teal'c typically just stands around calmly and assesses the situation. That's what Teal'c does. Part of what gave Teal'c a lot of his light-hearted scenes throughout the series was his interactions with Jack and although Vala has been providing some of the banter and humour that Jack typically had with Daniel, she really hasn't offered much in terms of interaction with Teal'c. So unfortunately we don't see Teal'c shine like we have in the past. :( The little Vala/Teal'c bump was very cute though during the basketball scene.

I know many people think that Jack can be easily replaced, but for eight years, Jack has added a lot of personal bantering with each of the other characters. He brought out the best and worst in each of them. I think CB has done a wonderful job in helping to add a bit of humour with Vala and her bantering with Daniel has helped to ease some of that loss we had with Jack. Jack and Daniel bantering have always been some of the best moments on the show; however, with Mitchell being the new guy and Sam just coming back we really don't see the closeness or camaderie we had before. Mitchell is a good character, but Teal'c, Sam and Daniel didn't just think Jack as their CO, they trusted him with their lives. He was a part of their family. It's going to take time till we feel that same sort of thing with Mitchell, so a part of me is glad we don't see Teal'c warming up to the situation real quick. I do not see him following anyone as unquestioning as he did with O'Neill, nor do I expect him to joke around with Mitchell like he did with O'Neill at least not for awhile. That to me would seem very out of character for Teal'c.

So although I wish we had more scenes with Teal'c, I think for now he's acted very much in character. Not that I wouldn't love to hear more from Teal'c, but hopefully in the next few episodes we'll actually start seeing some team action scenes and we'll get to see Teal'c doing what he does best.

As for Beachhead, I loved it. For the first time this season, I saw a glimmer of SG-1 before my eyes. To me this episode was more than just saying good-bye to Vala or welcoming Sam back, Brad Wright did a wonderful job at intergrating all six characters into this episode. Using each of them to bring the story together. No one character stood out more than the other's
and I for one am truly grateful. It's really beginning to look and feel like SG-1 to me again. IMO, this is definitely the best episode thus far this season.
Kat

Hatcheter
August 20th, 2005, 06:53 AM
Great episode. Plenty of fun moments, action, effects, a good send-off for Vala and return for Carter.

I'd just like to point out one bit of info for this thread:

It's not a planet-sized gate.

Carter said it was three to four hundred meters across. Significantly larger than the regular stargate, but not planet-sized.

ShardsofGlass
August 20th, 2005, 06:57 AM
Great episode. Plenty of fun moments, action, effects, a good send-off for Vala and return for Carter.

I'd just like to point out one bit of info for this thread:

It's not a planet-sized gate.

Carter said it was three to four hundred meters across. Significantly larger than the regular stargate, but not planet-sized.

But wasn't the force field shrinking the planet so it would eventually fit through the gate?

A Whiter Shade
August 20th, 2005, 06:59 AM
Yep. I liked this episode as well. So far SG1 has it over SGA by a wide margin, at least in my book.

We know the Orii have rings since Vala and Daniel were ringed to the "planes of celestis". Can't wait to find out where she ended up! Imagine Vala coming back to SG1 as an Orii Prior.

"Convert to Origin now...or I will never make love to you again." Or something like that. :) LOL

A Whiter Shade
August 20th, 2005, 07:00 AM
But wasn't the force field shrinking the planet so it would eventually fit through the gate?


No. It was shrinking the planet into a black hole which would be used to power the gate. Black holes are powerful enough to stop time so running a 400M stargate should be a piece of cake.

Daniel's_twin
August 20th, 2005, 07:01 AM
But wasn't the force field shrinking the planet so it would eventually fit through the gate?

No. Carter said that the mass of the planet was shrinking to form a singularity. When it reached the point of singularity, it would create a black hole, such as the one that was probably on the other side of the wormhole, which would be the only way to keep a wormhole that big and that far open indefinitely. :cool:

Daniel's_twin
August 20th, 2005, 07:02 AM
Yep. I liked this episode as well. So far SG1 has it over SGA by a wide margin, at least in my book.

We know the Orii have rings since Vala and Daniel were ringed to the "planes of celestis". Can't wait to find out where she ended up! Imagine Vala coming back to SG1 as an Orii Prior.

"Convert to Origin now...or I will never make love to you again." Or something like that. :) LOL

Oh, please. What a thought. I cannot picture her as a Prior spouting all that mumbo-jumbo. :cool:

ocalacam
August 20th, 2005, 07:06 AM
I can't believe no one's yet mentioned Mitchell's "You have 30 of our 'Earth' minutes..." and Daniel's awesome reaction to it. Was Mitchell's comment and Daniel's reaction to it ad-libbed or written that way? Either way, awesome scene.

By the way, seems like almost everyone's assuming that Vala is now in the Orii galaxy but... Vala made a point to say that the rings would go to the closest ring pad around even if that pad is on a cloaked ship. Could there had been a cloaked Jaffa mothership or another cargo ship in the vicinity? It's possible that she's now in the hands of the Jaffa instead of materializing in the Orii galaxy. And, as I recall, Carter said that the matter stream COULD have gone through the microsingularity, not that it ACTUALLY had gone through. Just a thought...

CmptrGk
August 20th, 2005, 07:09 AM
thanks for the pictures of the super gate.

TheCorpulent1
August 20th, 2005, 07:13 AM
I liked the episode. Seeing Sam again put a big smile on my face for every scene she was in on my first viewing. I thought Nerus was a lot of fun, and so was Landry's interaction with him. Vala's stuff was all right, but all things considered, I'm just glad she'll be gone for the foreseeable future. Guest appearances down the line wouldn't be bad, but I think I've had enough of her for the time being.

I had some problems with the other characters, though. Except for his "It's good to have you back" line to Sam, Daniel felt like he was in full jerk mode throughout this episode. I suppose Vala had a lot to do with that. Teal'c felt a bit flat, and not just because "that's how Teal'c is." Even when he was dealing with Gerak, who we know is supposed to be his big Jaffa rival, Teal'c seemed flat. He usually tends to get passionate about Jaffa stuff, at least.

The plot of the show was interesting, with the massive Stargate. I'm kind of disappointed they didn't get it to work, though. I want to see some real action between people on the ground, but I guess we'll have to wait for the Ori to figure out some other way to send their armies to our galaxy. The team worked well together, though the SGC patches on Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel's shoulders indicate that they're still not quite a team yet. I can't wait for the scene where Mitchell finally wins the others over and they step through the gate as SG-1 officially.

One thing I didn't really like in this episode was the Prometheus. I do like the Prometheus set and all, but the fact that SG-1 were barking orders through Col. Pendergast and relying on other crew members just made me miss the days when the old SG-1 and Jacob would attempt this kind of mission all by their lonesome in a single, unarmed cargo ship. I'm still not quite sure how the new dynamic of Earth as a bona fide major player in galactic power is going to work.

Anyway, all that aside, I liked the episode a lot overall. Now that Vala's gone and can't suck up 70-80% of the dialogue in every episode, I'm looking forward to seeing the others shine. SG-1 is back! :) And, even better, Baal's gonna be in the next episode! He is, in my opinion, the perfect Stargate villain. :D

Kalliope
August 20th, 2005, 07:15 AM
Yep. I liked this episode as well. So far SG1 has it over SGA by a wide margin, at least in my book.

We know the Orii have rings since Vala and Daniel were ringed to the "planes of celestis". Can't wait to find out where she ended up! Imagine Vala coming back to SG1 as an Orii Prior.

"Convert to Origin now...or I will never make love to you again." Or something like that. :) LOL

Bad idea, really bad idea.

AGateFan
August 20th, 2005, 07:20 AM
Bad idea, really bad idea.

I agree, if they make vala a prior or whatever it will ruin her character. The only possible exception is if they made her like Kira in Chronicals of Riddick (in otherwords faking shes a believer). But I wouldnt even like that too much. I would much rather she pull a "promethous" and simply capture an Ori ship and be the big bad "Dread Pirate Roberts" of the Ori Galaxy.

shaqarava
August 20th, 2005, 07:22 AM
Sorry if it's been mentioned before, but i don't really have the capacity within me to sift throught 6 pages.

This episoide seems to indicate that the Orii, well atleast their followers, have huge industrial and manufacturing capabilities. Why put up a gate now unless they had ships ready and waiting to cross through the super gate? Within 6 episodes they've probably managed to build a fleet from scratch.

Daniel's_twin
August 20th, 2005, 07:35 AM
Which means they're probably devoting almost all of their time and resources on this inter-galactic crusade of theirs. :cool:

Hatcheter
August 20th, 2005, 07:37 AM
By the way, seems like almost everyone's assuming that Vala is now in the Orii galaxy but... Vala made a point to say that the rings would go to the closest ring pad around even if that pad is on a cloaked ship. Could there had been a cloaked Jaffa mothership or another cargo ship in the vicinity? It's possible that she's now in the hands of the Jaffa instead of materializing in the Orii galaxy. And, as I recall, Carter said that the matter stream COULD have gone through the microsingularity, not that it ACTUALLY had gone through. Just a thought...

That was my thought when I saw that the rings had activated for her. Either way, it could provide for an interesting story for her to greatly exaggerate when she does return.

Frostfox
August 20th, 2005, 08:06 AM
Of course Garek is a moron - but then he's supposed to be. He fulfils the same role in this as whatsihername did in DS9 (the irritating Bajoran spiritual leader). I'm sure he's going to be a major thorn in the side of SG1 for the remainder of the season.

Albion :)

The Kai Winn, played by the deliciously evil (and Oscar winning) Louise Fletcher.

Frostfox, still a mine of useless DS9 info and very happy with season 9 - we now have Landry calling Walter 'Chief' so I'm getting Miles O'Brien vibes as well as Garak and Pagh Waith vibes. If you're gonna steal, steal from the best!!!

Oh, and wasn't it nice to get Sam back in the fold! Just hope Vala comes back to visit too.

FF

Kalinda
August 20th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Cool! We won! Well, for now anyway..

It's good to see the heroes come out on top for once, though we are still pretty screwed.

I loved the concept behind the "super gate" and the whole thing looked really cool, too :)

When they went down to talk to the Prior, that was great, with the "Earth minutes" thing and how Mitchell told the Ori off with "blah, blah, blah"; Mitchell continues to be quite likeable ^_^

Vala's exit was better then I expected, I figured she'd just leave at the end, but instead she went out with a nice heroic act and the door is left open for her return, which is also nice.

And Sam is back! :D I'm sure she'll have plenty chance to impress us with her genius in future episodes, since she didn't have much to do here.

Oh! The Goa'uld! It's neat how they used him to work for the Ori, although I suppose it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise, it was quite a nifty idea.

And I foresee much conflict between the Jaffa Nation and the Tau'ri, most unfortunate.

Can't find any big flaws this week, unlike last week.. so..

10/10

And yes, SG-1 is back :)

Kalliope
August 20th, 2005, 08:25 AM
Cool! We won! Well, for now anyway..

It's good to see the heroes come out on top for once, though we are still pretty screwed.

I loved the concept behind the "super gate" and the whole thing looked really cool, too :)

When they went down to talk to the Prior, that was great, with the "Earth minutes" thing and how Mitchell told the Ori off with "blah, blah, blah"; Mitchell continues to be quite likeable ^_^

Vala's exit was better then I expected, I figured she'd just leave at the end, but instead she went out with a nice heroic act and the door is left open for her return, which is also nice.

And Sam is back! :D I'm sure she'll have plenty chance to impress us with her genius in future episodes, since she didn't have much to do here.

Oh! The Goa'uld! It's neat how they used him to work for the Ori, although I suppose it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise, it was quite a nifty idea.

And I foresee much conflict between the Jaffa Nation and the Tau'ri, most unfortunate.

Can't find any big flaws this week, unlike last week.. so..

10/10

And yes, SG-1 is back :)


Actually, I disagree here. It was VALA who won, not SG-1 and I really hope they're going to admit it and say at least "thank you" when they meet her again.

IMForeman
August 20th, 2005, 08:47 AM
Oh, man... that was so, so good. SG-1 has been fully revitalized!

The story was great, the main characters were great, and the guest Go'uld was great. We got to see good ol' little Prometheus again, with it's ever-present commander Colonel Pendergast. Vala was, as usual, hilarious, as is Daniel when around her. "A little less talking and a little more shut the hell up." Daniel hung around with Jack a little too long. Speaking of Jack, his practical joke on Landry was just a pure Jack moment... and Jack isn't even there! I actually predicted Landry's "Yeah, you're funny."

I think we just saw a shot which will wind up on the DVD in the much absent theme song... right after Vala left through the Gate, we are left with the new SG-1 lineup.

And as has been said in this thread already... we as so very screwed. However, I think it should be noted, that this is the first time we thwarted an Ori plan at all. Sure, we helped it initially, but their supergate (very cool) was thwarted by Vala... who I will miss.

-IMF

starellen1
August 20th, 2005, 08:53 AM
Quick thoughts:

- the basketball game was cute/funny, but there have to be at least 200 people working in Cheyenne Mountain at any given time... why were all four of these people hanging out together? Which brings me to...

- Vala in proximity to Daniel. I **know** the bracelets had them linked together, but a) the effects were wearing off, and b) just because they have to stay in a certain proximity to each other doesn't mean they have to be TIED AT THE HIP. For all Daniel professed to not wanting her around (and I believe it), he sure didn't push her away. (I'm tempted to make another bullet point about the fact that she's at EVERY meeting in the briefing room. But I won't belabor the point.)

- the scene w/ Landry on the phone w/ Jack was cute, as Sam materialized as if by magic. YAY, SAM!!! to make a pun based on an old '70s TV show, all I can say is: Welcome back, Carter. (ha ha! please, don't throw tomatoes!) However, on the other hand.....

- did anyone else get a tremendous sense of anticlimax when Sam was briefing the rest of the team in the control room? We didn't get to see any "hello" hugs, or anyone welcoming her back at all. Why not show that? It's been five weeks coming.

- I can't believe it didn't occur to anyone that using weapons might make the force field grow stronger. SG-1 has seen it before, and I predicted it way before they realized it

- I noticed that Garek used the term "beachhead," just as the captain of the Prometheus did, and subsequently SG-1 did as well. Sounded way too coincidental.

- I couldn't tell if the Goa'uld guy (at first I thought they said his name was Uterus) really believed the spiel the Ori were spouting, or if he had some sort of angle. I don't buy the fact that a Goa'uld (as opposed to a Jaffa) would easily, willingly follow someone else who demanded to be worshipped.

- Good to see Landry acting like a general, but WHAT is up with that stupid leather jacket?? He wears it INDOORS, for heaven's sake. Also, he seemed to be walking with a broomstick up his butt.

I was a little disappointed myself, I really expected more-"Wow, it's so good to have you back, what have you been doing? Who have you been seeing?? " Daniel was the only that even acknowledged that she had been away and that was almost in passing. I hope in future eps we can get a little more background.
I myself, did love this ep. I am really glad to have Sam back, I no longer get that "something's missing" feeling anymore. I don't think we have seen the last of Vala either.

TheCorpulent1
August 20th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Here's something I noticed: Is it me, or did those Jaffa at the beginning of the episode not look very... um... Jaffa-like? They looked like some of the last episode's villagers with tattoos on their foreheads, not like fierce warrior people.

Also, what's with Landry calling Walter "Chief"? Not that I mind, it just kinda came out of nowhere.

alewis104
August 20th, 2005, 09:09 AM
Here's something I noticed: Is it me, or did those Jaffa at the beginning of the episode not look very... um... Jaffa-like? They looked like some of the last episode's villagers with tattoos on their foreheads, not like fierce warrior people.

I agree. And I think the same can be said of Inago (The Ties That Bind). In fact, I just started a thread on that issue; it seems to me that some of the Jaffa have gone downhill just a little too quickly.

whatswiththehairtealc
August 20th, 2005, 09:14 AM
I don't know if this has been brought up yet, I only sifted throught these 7 pages, but, does anyone have a problem with this black hole thing!!!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=16027

jckfan55
August 20th, 2005, 09:26 AM
Pretty good episode. Great to have Sam back! I hoped for more of a "welcome back" from Daniel & Teal'c, but then again the characters don't know she'll be back full time & she did say she and Daniel talked a few weeks ago, so they have been keeping in touch. I also hoped for more with Vala & Sam, but loved the "back up singer" comment. My favorite line was Vala saying "I tried to fit into your little Stargating club." LOL.
Teal'c didn't get to say much again. :( Loved Teal'c picking up Vala for the basketball game. I hope Daniel will get over being so cranky & thank goodness he shaved the beard.

shaqarava
August 20th, 2005, 09:27 AM
Erm, didn't think of it before but, if the supergate got blown up when the singularity formed, wouldn't it have been blown away even if the links were all formed up or would it have been juiced up or something?

Daniel's_twin
August 20th, 2005, 09:30 AM
The way they were making it sound, I think the shockwave either would've been the last jolt the super-gate needed, or it would've had some kind of shield to protect it until the conditions were favorable. :cool:

UhSir
August 20th, 2005, 09:42 AM
wasn't maury chaykin (nerus) and beau (landry) wonderful! we saw two pros in action!


Yes, it was a lot of fun. I hope they don't forget about Nerus in the basement at Area 51. I would love to see him again.

FoolishPleasure
August 20th, 2005, 09:45 AM
Big thumbs up on this episode. SOOOOO good to have Carter back! It DOES feel like the old SG1 again. :D

Downside. .I'm going to miss Vala. :(

Must admit the most surprising positive for this year has been Beau Bridges. Landry is terrific. . and this is the character I had the most doubts about. *shaking head*

Mitchell still needs a bit of development. . I like the character but I don't think he has done enough to make others accept him in place of RDA (who I really don't miss any more, btw).

So some of the minor Gou'ald's have thrown in with the Ori. That was a twist. And the super stargate. . .that was totally cool beans!

Best line of the night: "More chickens! :D

TheCorpulent1
August 20th, 2005, 09:53 AM
I also found it to be a pretty interesting new dynamic, with some minor Goa'uld actually acknowledging the Ori as godlike. Nice role-reversal. Although Nerus still had the typical Goa'uld power-monger trip going on, since he apparently only wanted to help the Ori so he could ascend and gain more personal power.

Erm, didn't think of it before but, if the supergate got blown up when the singularity formed, wouldn't it have been blown away even if the links were all formed up or would it have been juiced up or something?
The way I understood it, if the links had been allowed to connect completely, the energy field connecting them would've turned them into a superconductor, just like a regular Stargate. The enormous energy explosion from the singularity's creation would've then been absorbed by the "Supergate" and used to power the wormhole to the Ori's home galaxy. Vala disrupted the energy field connecting the components, so the Supergate was just a bunch of pieces being held together by energy; it hadn't been connected in the right way to make it a superconductor.

duffarama
August 20th, 2005, 10:04 AM
I believe that this is the best 'start of a season' ever for Stargate. The episodes that have been shown thus far have rocketed way over my expectations.
The Ori, I believe, are much more interesting than the Goa'uld.

Capn_Canada
August 20th, 2005, 10:05 AM
Why does Gen. Landry wear his leather jacket so much...INSIDE. he had it on when he was going to go tell the chicken-lover about hunger. Maybe he was cold?

And anyone else love the part about the chicken-lovers voice.
-"Your voice just changed"
-"O, we don't have to talk like THAT"
I jjust loved it.

TheCorpulent1
August 20th, 2005, 10:13 AM
Maybe he just likes the jacket a lot. I live in Florida and I wear jackets in 90-degree weather just because I like them. You learn to tune the heat out.

I loved the conversation about chicken that Nerus had with Landry. His expression when he echoes "chicken" after Landry was hilarious. :D

UhSir
August 20th, 2005, 10:16 AM
Re: post #82

Okey doke, my opinion for the beans it's worth. Well, I have fun writing them anyway. :o

And I had a lot of fun reading them :D


Tick tock...Firefly, go away...hmm hmm hmm...la de da da - ah!

Yes, please make it go away. Put these shows in a mayonaise jar and don't punch any holes in the lid.


ROFLMAO!! T does 'The Bump'!! LMAO!!!! (Now that I think of it, he was about to bump poor vala right out of frame. He should designate that bumper as a lethal weapon. :p )
{snips}
Oh boy, do I see a T/vala ship on the horizon? (I'm just noticing 'cause it seems she's taken to bouncing around him a lot. Maybe she just likes muscles. who doesn't? :p )

Me too. Did you catch Vala's wink during the intro discussion with Nerus in the room with the table of food? I thought, Oh that was just so cute! Teal'c give her a hug, she wants you!


(meanwhile, as they detonated the stupid b-o-m-b I was thinking, y'know, maybe the reason why the ori force feild is growing is because your genius technology is feeding it. I was wondering why Carter hadn't said it before so I figured something must be horribley wrong cause I don't usually see the answer coming from a mile away before the Great and Powerful Carter. :rolleyes: THEN...

I was surprised that the foreshadowing was so bad in this show. Me thinks they may be dumbing down the show? Oh I sure hope not.


Mark IX's are exploding c**p. Prometheus's are floating c**p. Ori Priors are Book Of Ori thumping c**p.

Explosions are okay, I guess.
Prometheus-based shows are as uninteresting as most earth-based shows. :yawn:
Put the Priors and the Ori in the mayonaise jar too. I have never liked the ascension storyline. :yawn::yawn::yawn:

sgatelvr
August 20th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Why does Gen. Landry wear his leather jacket so much...INSIDE. he had it on when he was going to go tell the chicken-lover about hunger. Maybe he was cold?

And anyone else love the part about the chicken-lovers voice.
-"Your voice just changed"
-"O, we don't have to talk like THAT"
I jjust loved it.
LOL - I liked that, too! Then, when he revealed his evil intentions, his voice changed back. Manipulative little so-and-so!

MediaSavant
August 20th, 2005, 10:33 AM
One "nitpicky" weakness of the episode was the "force field that grows when you shoot it" aspect. I'm sure I've seen that gimmick before on some science fiction show. Thus, I knew that was the case from the moment it was formed. Thus, it was no surprise or revelation when that was exactly what was happening.

It added an element of predictability to the whole adventure.

Otherwise, I liked the improve commeraderie between the team and that they gave Mitchell and Teal'c more to do. It was more balanced episode than many of the earlier ones.

It also seemed to be a pivotal episode for adding some muscle to the Orii threat and getting the rift with the Jaffa started.

But, I'm still waiting for an episode I'd be able to label "outstanding". I recently saw a rerun of first season's "There but for the Grace of God" and that was something I'd rate "outstanding". I'm waiting for a Season 9 episode that is at that level.

I'll be the first one to admit that I'm pretty hard to impress.

Gargen
August 20th, 2005, 10:34 AM
yea your right i have seen it somewhere before but i cant remeber where

entil2001
August 20th, 2005, 10:58 AM
This is the episode a lot of people were waiting for. Oddly, I think that it was good for reasons other than the return of Carter. This episode continues to demonstrate the immense power of the Ori in several different ways, and in the process, some other percolating plot threads get some air time. Surprisingly, the end of the Daniel/Vala mini-arc is completely unsatisfying, since the writers had to find a way to give Vala a proper send-off without killing her off for good.

First things first…I love the plan of the Ori in this episode. It’s rather well conceived, and it demonstrates just how often they’ve pulled off massive invasions in the past. They know exactly what the unconverted will do, and they plan accordingly. They also work on a scale well beyond anything that has been seen on the series in the past. This episode does a lot to cement the thought that the Ori could wipe the floor with Anubis.

This is also the function that Nerus fulfills in the story. Nerus may not have been the most powerful of Goa’uld, but like many of the less powerful false gods, he would attach himself to the winning side whenever possible. The fact that he rolls over for the Ori says it all: they are the new bullies on the block, and it serves Nerus’ best interests at the moment to back the winning side. In other words, the remaining Goa’uld weren’t powerful enough, in Nerus’ eyes.

More and more, it looks like the key to defeating the Ori will be largely “low tech”. They can’t beat the Ori with big guns and some conveniently located Ancient technology (or so I hope). In the best traditions of “Babylon 5”, they have to “understand” their way out of the problem. That’s going to be quite a tall order at this point, since they don’t seem to recognize how well the Priors have been empowered to complete the task of invading. Daniel, I suspect, will uncover some new piece of information about the relationship between the Ancients and the Ori that will become important to the eventual solution.

Garek and the Free Jaffa Nation are going to be serious trouble. Garek thinks like a “strength equals victory” kind of factionist leader, and that’s the kind of thinking that will get the Jaffa under the thumb of false gods that won’t be so easily beaten as the Goa’uld were. Much like the force field in this episode, I think of the Ori as using those resisting their presence as a convenient tool. Not only does resistance help show others the power of the Ori, but it also gives the Priors a chance to wipe out adversaries before the real invasion can begin. The Ori really seem to enjoy the idea of letting the enemy beat themselves.

But more to the point…if the solution requires “understanding” their way out of the Ori invasion, through the careful application of force in very specific situations, then Garek is unlikely to be the best go-to ally. If anything, he will interpret anything less than a full-scale counter-attack as cowardice and (seeing him in this episode) a declaring of war against the Jaffa. The last thing anyone needs is a further dissolution of alliances.

I mentioned that I was waiting for the new team to gel a bit more, and this episode took that one step further. Now that Carter’s back, there’s still going to be an adjustment period, but it’s coming together beautifully. Setting up a clear and present danger serves the purpose of giving a reason for the team to exist, and there’s enough happening between the Ori, Garek, and the situation at home to keep all the characters busy. Obviously, the Ori won’t stop with one attempt, and so I expect the Supergate to make another appearance.

My prediction? Either the “summer season finale” or the actual season finale will end with the Ori successfully establishing a beachhead, thus escalating the conflict and bringing to a close this introductory phase. By the end of the next episode, though, the season will be a third of the way done, and that usually marks the point where the characters get to settle in and the season arcs begin to complicate. I’m looking forward to that, because this is turning out to be the best season in quite some time.

kirmit
August 20th, 2005, 11:03 AM
Aw man I really wanna see this episode, it sounds amazing, damn why di I have to live in the UK?!?!?

Seshat
August 20th, 2005, 11:37 AM
I'm a little surprised at some folks nodding sagely and commenting on what they perceive as Vala making "digs" at some fans' perceptions or dislike of her character. :confused: I was making a JOKE in my earlier post about it being an acknowledgement of same. :p There is such a thing as reading too much into things (especially around here lately...). ;)

This episode was written months ago, folks, filmed and probably the can before the new season started AIRING. I seriously doubt that "digs at the fans" about a character they hadn't even SEEN yet was in the writers' minds six months ago. I think they were just making fun of themselves, which they have often done in the past in their scripts.

golfbooy
August 20th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Not sure that I have much to add here, except to say that like the majority of you all, I thought this was a terrific episode. It's been the best of a season that's, so far, been filled with strong episodes.

It really was great to have Carter back at the SGC and out with the team. I get that it wasn't that big of a deal for the others to see Carter as they've indicated that she's been in contact with them. But, as a viewer, it was great to see Amanda Tapping back on the show. Her presence really did give the episode that team feeling that's SG-1's trademark. And I liked that this wasn't played as the huge "Carter's Return" episode. It works much better with her inclusion being handled with a somewhat understated, business-as-usual type of nature. I thought her return lent a quiet, reserved strength to the team and to the episode in general. SG-1 just comes off as more capable, more of a force to be reckoned with when Carter is there.

The plot was nicely paced, with enough elements of humor, action, and exposition to keep the story from being an all actionfest or a slow information dump. I think the giant stargate is an ok idea, much better in execution than I thought it would be. As others have said, the idea behind the forcefield wasn't exceedingly original, but I don't think it was meant to be. I'm more than willing to banish the obviousness of the outcome from my mind in order to enjoy the story. Every show has such pitfalls. If I weren't going to ignore them, I'd have to give up on tv altogether.

Nerus was an absolute delight, and Maury Chaykin really does deserve all the congratulations he's been getting from the producers and the posters in this thread. Kudos to both he and Brad Wright for allowing Nerus to be over-the-top without being too over-the-top. Brad Wright's impeccable record of creating deliciously engaging and entertaining Goa'ulds continues. From Apophis in Serpent's Song, to Baal in Abyss, to Nerus here in Beachhead--Mr. Wright seems to have a knack for keeping what is now a nine year old villain fresh and entertaining.

I think Vala's exit worked fine. While she did run out on the rest of the team rather abruptly, it still works for the character, and I'm particularly pleased that the writers chose to tie her unknown fate to the Ori storyline. And, like Carter's return, Vala's departure was not what the episode was about. I'd have hated to see her just leave, off to commit more petty larceny in the hopes of striking it rich in a universe where material wealth has never been given much credence. This way she's allowed a way back in to the story that will hopefully fit and make sense, rather than just bringing Vala back for the sake of bringing her back. She's a terrific recurring character; I hope she's back late this season, though, now that I think about it, I'd probably prefer to see them wait till next season. Her return will have more oomph, and will add more to the show if they hold it off for a bit.

Eh, that's it. I'm sick of sitting here. Bring on Ex Deus Machina.

LMichelle
August 20th, 2005, 12:41 PM
What was up with Sam's hair? I believe she forgot to dry it after getting out of the shower.

The Ori weren't as annoying in this ep. Not saying much, though. :p

Loved the basketball scene!

Vala's the hero! Vala's the hero! *squee* She'll be back. She wouldn't leave her Daniel. It's just screaming out for fanfic, isn't it? :)

No Southern Cameron. You could count god awful, though, especially if it's used as one word.

Nerus is a perfect example of Guttony. In fact, I was reciting the seven deadly sins in my head each time he was on the screen.

The band's back together! :D

valaCB
August 20th, 2005, 01:19 PM
Aw man I really wanna see this episode, it sounds amazing, damn why di I have to live in the UK?!?!?
You can download some clips HERE (http://terrafirmascapers.com/index.php?topic=2889.0)

salamander7
August 20th, 2005, 01:38 PM
looks like I'm the only one, but I HATED this episode. don't get me wrong... I love the new cast and the new feel of the show... Avalon/Origin was awesome! but there were just too many things that peeved me right out about Beachhead.

for the love of God I wish the writers would stop pulling their punches with the characters' emotional attachments. Jack and Sam, yea ok, I understand, but we KNOW Daniel had *something* going on with Vala. he looked genuinely upset when she was burnt, so there was a connection on some level. hello, friendship? they don't have to have sex! how about a hug! a kind look! ANYTHING!! no real human being is that cold and stoic and unemotional. instead, after 5 eps of bonding and friendly bickering, he tells her to shut her face about 10 times in a row, actually shoves her around, and then she goes and almost kills herself and he looks more concerned that he's about to pass out again. and then oh-ho-ho she's in the Orii galaxy, too bad for them! ha-ha. *weeps for the death of the not-a-jackass Daniel*

lots of people brought up how lame the welcome wagon was for Sam, and someone else said that the writers would have had to cut something else out if they'd included more reaction to Sam. I don't buy that... lots of shows do a very masterful job of balancing character exposition and action. like, ummm, I dono, this week's episode of Atlantis? not only was the reaction to Sam lamer than lame, but all the Jaffa on the planet were killed. DEAD. SG1 has always reacted pretty strongly to stuff like that, and this time it was like "that's a bummer. so, back to us..." and the total lack of concern for Vala. there was like a glimmer of 'yay team!' at the beginning, and then it was 40 minutes of "Sam's back, we hate you, why are you still here?"

I was SO excited for season 9, it was coming along so well, and this episode was like a spectacular arms-flailing flat on your face wipe out. I wanna know what happened to the people who wrote Threads and Avalon and when they're coming back.

creed462
August 20th, 2005, 01:40 PM
The ep did show another thing to beat the Ori there will be a high cost

UhSir
August 20th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Salamander7 - Yes, the Daniel being mean to Vala was bad all over. But I'm not a Daniel fan and maybe the Daniel fans liked it? Daniel got some really good snappy comeback lines instead of his usual hemming and hawing. But at the expense of another character, albeit not a "regular" character, is wrong wrong wrong and not funny for me.

TheCorpulent1
August 20th, 2005, 02:04 PM
I thought it was funny initially. Sometimes you just get comfortable in an antagonistic relationship with someone; the fact that you're not openly nice at every turn with them doesn't imply that you don't care, often quite deeply, for them. But it seemed out of character that Daniel wouldn't have warmed up to her at least a little, since Daniel's usually not that way. Daniel's usually very accepting of people, and he's seen Vala in pretty vulnerable spots already.

acdj31
August 20th, 2005, 02:09 PM
And I liked that this wasn't played as the huge "Carter's Return" episode. It works much better with her inclusion being handled with a somewhat understated, business-as-usual type of nature.

I glad that tptb didn't make the whole ep about Carter's return. I happy she is back. It feel like they were trade one character with other (Vala-Carter). I wish Carter and Vala could have interacted more.

I love the scenes on the planet with all of them in the spacesuits. I loved it when Mitchell and Daniel were talking to the Prior. Good parts: "Earth Minutes", Mitchell saying 'that it' to Daniel and when Daniel was making his 'I don't know' face at Mitchell. I like Daniel and Mitchell relationship with each other but I like Daniel and Jack relationship better.

Can't wait to see some real team interaction next week. (P.S. If Daniel, Teal'c and Sam actually said yes to joining the team when Mitchell asks them.)

Hatcheter
August 20th, 2005, 02:36 PM
I thought it was funny initially. Sometimes you just get comfortable in an antagonistic relationship with someone; the fact that you're not openly nice at every turn with them doesn't imply that you don't care, often quite deeply, for them. But it seemed out of character that Daniel wouldn't have warmed up to her at least a little, since Daniel's usually not that way. Daniel's usually very accepting of people, and he's seen Vala in pretty vulnerable spots already.

But that woman drives him absolutely nuts. Daniel was more short-tempered and sarcastic while she was around then he's ever been before. Hopefully he'll be able to relax a bit now that she's gone.

As for Sam's return, it's not like she had been out of contact, or even that far away. Especially not when you have teleportation technology at your disposal. Remember Mitchell's offer to buy her breakfast in 'Avalon part I'. I suspect that she was around a bit, but not getting involved with operations in the SGC while still assigned to Area 51.

SlightlyManiacalGater
August 20th, 2005, 02:42 PM
best episode of the year! 5 stars finally some action! what a great show, vala was great! welcome back carter!

What's up with going to the five star rating system? Not that I dislike it - I've thought for a long time that 4 stars just didn't give enough of a "spread" to really rate an episode, and I figured it was just so that the current SG1 episodes could be compared evenly with the early ones. But why now? I could understand if it were at the beginning of the season, but in the middle? It just looks like trying to artificially goose the ratings midway through.

Back on topic, I was sort of ambivalent about this episode. I really hate losing Vala, but I did like that Teal'c actually had something to do in this one. I'm usually not big on the technobabble-heavy episodes, but I like that the Ori are getting scarier and scarier the more we try to fight them.

Maxum
August 20th, 2005, 02:43 PM
I thought this episode was good. The first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes were good, but I felt the middle was a little weak. Let's start at the beginning.

I loved the interaction between the four of them playing basketball, and for all those who don't like Daniel's mean comments to Vala, it's all part of their relationship. Daniel and Vala were genuinely having fun, and frankly, I think Vala is more comfortable when Daniel is sarcastic with her. It's an act between them, but they are both aware of a mutual friendship underneath the surface. Daniel's "shut up" remarks don't hurt Vala's feelings. She set the tone of this relationship, not Daniel, and he's simply playing the game. She had MORE than a few snarky snide remarks regarding everything going on with Ori, and it would have annoyed the hell out of me. Daniel simply expressed what everyone was probably feeling. Anyway . . .

So glad to have Sam back! Although I would have loved to have seen a hug between her and Daniel and Teal'c, but oh well. It's quite obvious that the four members (Jack, Daniel, Teal'c, and Sam) have been keeping in touch with other. Just because they are not always together on screen does not mean that their friendships have ended. The fact that Daniel and Sam were talking on the phone indicates to me that they are keeping in touch, which explains why there was no overly affectionate "welcome backs." Probably because they would say something to the effect of "Didn't I just talk to you on the phone yesterday?" However, from a fan standpoint, I would have liked a hug or something. It would have been funny to see Daniel give Sam an affectionate embrace with Vala standing there watching, but we didn't, and I'll get over it.

Liked the Gould, Nerus, and I loved that he specifically acknowledged SG-1 as the hero/legends they are. I mean really, Jack, Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c have basically been a HUGE thorn in their sides. They wiped out most of the enemies in the galaxy, and it's nice to see that the Gould acknowledge that fact. I thought it was funny how he mentioned that Mitchell and Vala are not part of the legendary SG-1 (Mitchell will find his place with the team, I'm sure).

I still enjoyed the Daniel/Vala bantering; it doesn't get old for me. I also enjoyed the trip aboard Promethius. However, I did NOT like the trip down to the planet, and here's where the episode faltered a bit. After the emotional episode of "The Powers That Be," where Daniel is visibly angry and has personalized the threat of the Ori, his banter with Mitchell on the planet seemed very out of place to me. I mean the Prior was wiping out an entire planet, and everyone was making jokes. That's the one part of this entire episode that I felt should have been written differently, which is what knocked my review down from a "great" episode to a "good" episode.

Technically, the good guys didn't win this round. It was a 50/50 split. The Ori won 50% by wiping out an entire planet, and the SGC (or Vala) won the other half by destroying the Supergate. The destruction of the Supergate was good, but a little too simple. The solution should have been glaringly obvious to a mind as brilliant as Sam's, and she didn't figure it out, but Vala did? Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it just seemed too simple.

I also felt that there should have been a more dramatic scene between Daniel and Vala before she departed. Since Vala kept having all this snide remarks to everything happening, it would have been good for Daniel to look at her and say "Can't you provide anything constructive or is it all about you?" This would have hurt Vala's feelings, and thereby propelling her into her "sacrifice," which ulitimately would have made Daniel feel terrible after losing her. Again, I just wanted a little bit more emotion between them, and it feels like they swept it under the rug. Finally, it would bother me immensely if someone I cared about or was friends with ended up in the Ori galaxy. How can that be a good thing?

Overall, it was a good and enjoyable episode, but not the best episode of the season, in my opinion. Here's how I rank the episodes so far, keeping in mind that I really loved all of them. (Season 9 is turning out to be fantastic!):

1. The Powers that Be
2. Origin
3. Avalon Part II
4. Avalon Part I
5. Beachhead
6. The Ties that Bind

Lastly, I'm so sorry to see Vala leave, and I want her back before the season ends.

Quinn Mallory
August 20th, 2005, 02:50 PM
I would say this is probably my favorite episode so far this season (unless you count the first 3 parters as a whole).

Dani76
August 20th, 2005, 03:08 PM
I think it was an awesome, butt-kicking episode. I really liked TPTB but Beachhead was even better.
Okay, I admit it, I was happy to have Sam back.
But I also liked the team interaction, the special effects (WOW), and how the story about the Oris is developing. I mean, they started out with the Priors "just looking" for worshippers. Then they showed a little bit more of their powers in TPTB: I liked the bullet scene...and it started to get creepy - how can you actually defeat them?
And then last night - bang!!! They are just so powerful - who would have thought. It's creepy and dark - I love it!
On top of all that, they even managed to make this episode really funny and a lot of that comes from Vala, which is one of the reasons why I will miss her. CB is great as Vala and she made me laugh quite often. I hope that she will be back, too.
Now I am just waiting for the team to (re)assemble, to find out a little bit more about the characters' backstories, mostly Mitchell and what happened to Sam while she was gone and why, and to see more of Teal'c.
Can't wait for next Friday.

joasia
August 20th, 2005, 03:23 PM
I'm guessing she pops onto a planet in some temple or structure and then she leads her own adventures trying to get back.Not very likely - she is still bound to Daniel so she is probably weak and falls asleep very often. Just like Daniel.

One MAJOR flaw in this ep.... the blocks of the ubergate were about 125% the size of the cargo ship, yet they managed to fit through the normal gate? (When the cargo shpi took the position as the last link, you could see the blocks were pretty much solid)May be they did extend something sideways? Like the jumpship does.

majorsal
August 20th, 2005, 03:29 PM
i know i'm going to get slammed for this, and i dont want any claudia black/vala fans to take offense, but i'm so glad she's finally gone! here i was so excited about sam/amanda's return (understatement of the century), and when i woke up in the morning and started thinking about beach head and stargate, the very first thing that came to mind was that vala was gone. i never wanted stargate to go that route (sexed up, for no other reason than sexed up), and it only got worse with daniel and vala taking so much attention away from the other characters. for five eps.

i don't mind if she comes back for some appearances here and there, but i hope they would not only be with daniel this time. she seems to find teal'c attractive, go there. she seems to be intrigued with mitchell and landry, go there. she 'could' find something to like about sam, go there.

but i'm so glad the show's going to get back to serious story telling.

again, no offense to cb/vala fans.


sally :)

valaCB
August 20th, 2005, 03:49 PM
looks like I'm the only one, but I HATED this episode. don't get me wrong... I love the new cast and the new feel of the show... Avalon/Origin was awesome! but there were just too many things that peeved me right out about Beachhead.

for the love of God I wish the writers would stop pulling their punches with the characters' emotional attachments. Jack and Sam, yea ok, I understand, but we KNOW Daniel had *something* going on with Vala. he looked genuinely upset when she was burnt, so there was a connection on some level. hello, friendship? they don't have to have sex! how about a hug! a kind look! ANYTHING!! no real human being is that cold and stoic and unemotional. instead, after 5 eps of bonding and friendly bickering, he tells her to shut her face about 10 times in a row, actually shoves her around, and then she goes and almost kills herself and he looks more concerned that he's about to pass out again. and then oh-ho-ho she's in the Orii galaxy, too bad for them! ha-ha. *weeps for the death of the not-a-jackass Daniel*

lots of people brought up how lame the welcome wagon was for Sam, and someone else said that the writers would have had to cut something else out if they'd included more reaction to Sam. I don't buy that... lots of shows do a very masterful job of balancing character exposition and action. like, ummm, I dono, this week's episode of Atlantis? not only was the reaction to Sam lamer than lame, but all the Jaffa on the planet were killed. DEAD. SG1 has always reacted pretty strongly to stuff like that, and this time it was like "that's a bummer. so, back to us..." and the total lack of concern for Vala. there was like a glimmer of 'yay team!' at the beginning, and then it was 40 minutes of "Sam's back, we hate you, why are you still here?"

I was SO excited for season 9, it was coming along so well, and this episode was like a spectacular arms-flailing flat on your face wipe out. I wanna know what happened to the people who wrote Threads and Avalon and when they're coming back.
I agree. the lack of amotion in this episode is scandal. the ignoring of Vala was terrible. Vala talk and no one hear her, everyone ignore her...WT*? she is so tring to fit to the team but they all ignore her, even Daniel! its really abuse for the character. and about Carter. she is back after some time...show a little emotion... :S

and another thing. is there something between Vala and Teal'c? in the beginning after the basketball scene, Vala was behind Tealc's chair and they exchange looks. something is going on there :D

greytop
August 20th, 2005, 05:25 PM
I enjoyed the episode. I did noticed that Sam refered to Mitchell when it came to giving the order to fire the Promethus' weapons instead of captian of the ship. She knew that he was in command of SG-1.

I also the look of the Goa'uld when Landry told him of his fate after he expected to killed by his actions.

majorsal
August 20th, 2005, 05:41 PM
Rescue mission to get Vala out of the Ori world!!!! Any volunteers?

vala doesn't need rescuing. she can take care of herself quite well. in fact, she wouldn't have been burnt alive if she hadn't taken daniel's advice. or been arrested and almost exectued (not meant as a dig at daniel). vala *knows* how to survive, it only got real bad when she followed someone else's lead.

so i can imagine vala showing up someday, after hiding out, finding/stealing transport and funds, and gleefully waltzing back into everyone's lives to give them headaches. :p


sally :)

ann_sgcfan
August 20th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Yay Sam's back!! I was so glad Sam returned! I was hoping to have a little more fan fair regarding her return. Daniel did make a nice comment, I am happy about that! Maybe next week when she returns to the SGC full time.

I'm not too worried about the Vala character. I'm sure she will be making guest appearances on the show. We know she is alive by the comments the team made at the end of the show.

I liked how the entire team contributed to this episode!! Like others have said this was a great team show!! We were able to see some of the dynamics for the team. This was the best episode of the season for me!!!

the fifth man
August 20th, 2005, 06:26 PM
I'll tell you, it really is refreshing reading so many of these positive posts in regards to this episode. It's nice to know so many others thought it kicked ass too. This episode really makes me look forward to what we're going to see the rest of this season.

majorsal
August 20th, 2005, 06:35 PM
Why does Gen. Landry wear his leather jacket so much...INSIDE. he had it on when he was going to go tell the chicken-lover about hunger. Maybe he was cold?

And anyone else love the part about the chicken-lovers voice.
-"Your voice just changed"
-"O, we don't have to talk like THAT"
I jjust loved it.

yeah, all of that goauld's scenes were great. here i loved the goauld, and i can't remember his name. :p i want to call him nero... anyhoo, i think my fave moment in the ep was the landry-nero showdown. you really can't go wrong with such wonderful actors, and it showed through. landry knew just what buttons to push, and the look of utter horror on nero's face... priceless. :D


sally :D

sg1niner
August 20th, 2005, 06:44 PM
I liked the episode but Nerus reminds me of Urgo... any one else agree?? lol big bad evil Goa'uld ... if i ever ran into him i dont think I would run away. maybe stop and laugh... but yeah.. thats just me...

Nikkirose
August 20th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I must say it..

FINALLY!!!!!

Now this was an SG-1 episode, we have been waiting for!

LIKES:

-SAM!!!!!! Thank goodness shes back!! Heres to her not disappearing again!!
-Vala. Her face in that dumb looking space suit on the planet, after Cam and Daniel had their speeches, was just too funny. She saved the day!!! Nice going! Anyway, I was so very unhappy to hear that Vala was coming back at the beginning of the season, but now I cant wait for her to get back. Still liked the Vala/Daniel interaction. (A little less talk, a lot more shut the hell up!)
-Teal'c!! Finally he's got something to say! It wasnt a whole lot, but it was so much more then it has been!! Welcome Back Teal'c!!!
-Previews for next week!!! BA'AL!!!!
-The Prior talked less!!!! :D

DISKLIKES:
-Garek, such an @$$!! And should have been shot down! :p
-Landry, I'm just not really all that into the character. [i]YET!
-The fact that I got that the weapons weren't going to work and that they were "feeding" the shield, sooner then Sam did! Most of the time I dont even come close to being right with the SG1 stories.
-*SOB* I miss Jack!!!

Overall I think that we are slowly but surely getting our semi-normal SG1 back. Minus Jack of course... *SOB* :(

majorsal
August 20th, 2005, 07:30 PM
I'm a little surprised at some folks nodding sagely and commenting on what they perceive as Vala making "digs" at some fans' perceptions or dislike of her character. :confused: I was making a JOKE in my earlier post about it being an acknowledgement of same. :p There is such a thing as reading too much into things (especially around here lately...). ;)

This episode was written months ago, folks, filmed and probably the can before the new season started AIRING. I seriously doubt that "digs at the fans" about a character they hadn't even SEEN yet was in the writers' minds six months ago. I think they were just making fun of themselves, which they have often done in the past in their scripts.

heck, yes! ;)

vala made comments because she knew how she was being perceived. at that point in time (filming the ep), the writers had no way of making these little 'adjustments' to the script to reflect the fans, because we were faaaaar from seeing it.


sally :)

tearsintherain
August 20th, 2005, 07:33 PM
great ep, im super super sad vala is gone for the time being but hopeful in her return sometime in the future to once again to save the stupid earthlings heehee :) sam seemed kinda out of place honestly, i still don't get the deal with her and jack (im forgetting big chunks of season 8 but she dumped her cop guy for jack and now what?). im sure its mostly cuz they didnt do any exposition on her return, so she'll be back in the swing of things shortly, esp with vala gone - vala tends to be a scene stealer :)

cool to see the super stargate, that was neat. cool also to see how dispassionate and cunning the ori/priors are.

majorsal
August 20th, 2005, 07:53 PM
I thought it was funny initially. Sometimes you just get comfortable in an antagonistic relationship with someone; the fact that you're not openly nice at every turn with them doesn't imply that you don't care, often quite deeply, for them. But it seemed out of character that Daniel wouldn't have warmed up to her at least a little, since Daniel's usually not that way. Daniel's usually very accepting of people, and he's seen Vala in pretty vulnerable spots already.

i didn't see daniel as mean to vala, but then again, the depth of their interactions go over my head sometimes because of disinterest.

what i saw was daniel being tired of dealing with her antics and behavior (as was everyone i think). i also think vala's desire to be the center of attention made the situations seem worse to her. but ppl mean to her?. naw, i saw it as exasperation.


sally :)

MasySyma
August 20th, 2005, 08:13 PM
I loved the episode. It was well-developed, and each character was needed. I will miss Vala, but I'm glad to have Sam back. I loved the Ori gate, Vala's dramatic rescue of the galaxy, and the team dynamics this episode.

As a side note, can we please have Gerak killed soon? He is starting to get on my nerves. Or can we at least speed up his dialouge? He pauses every two or three words it seems.

I can't wait for next week.

GenHammondsBarber
August 20th, 2005, 08:40 PM
So, far I have really enjoyed this season and the creation of a new team and a new enemy.

To Me...both the team and the new enemy were shown at a new level.

Where to start?

A)Jack being involved? Nerus acknowleding the change in SG-1?

B)Vala's departure/Sam's Return

C)A Super Gate (and what exactly were they gonna send through there?)

D)Ori solidifying themselves as the most powerful enemy in show history.

A) I enjoyed including Jack on the other end of the phone call. SG-1 has a history of having characters that are regulars, and some who are often talked about or have small roles later in their original seasons or in later seasons. Its soemthign that more shows need to do. Too often in shows people are gone and never heard from again. It also showed that Jack is the reason Sam returns and that he is keeping a close eye over the SGC.

Nerus acknowledging the changes was great. I like that they have not tried to make Mitchell some type of super leader. They make it clear he is the new kid on the bloack and the Nerus comment just lets everyone know he has some work to do to earn respect in the galaxy.

B)Vala's departure was well done I thought. I liked that they kept her through 6 episodes. They easily coulda just had a small scene in the beginning saying that the bracelet effects wore off and that vala had left, but they made it a nice transition. I especially liked how they had Vala go through the gate 1st solo and then the new team went through together for the 1st time. I didn't really like Vala in the beginning, but she did grow on me. I would like to see her come back either at the end of this season or beginning of next. I think fan demand will bring her back earlier rather then later. I wouldn't mind seeing her actually join the team at some point. I think she would be a great contrast to Sam as well as give Daniel someone to have conflict now that Jack is gone. He and Mitchell seem too agreeable to me, but I do feel Daniel's role is changing definetly. How can you not love having Sam back.

Cand D) The supergate was pretty intense for alittle while there. I like that they are being very aggressive and making us squirm. This was also a point where I felt as though they were for real. Previously they seemed to have alot of cheap parlor tricks..some mind reading...disappear...ok the plague was alot, but having a virus to put on a planet could be done....this was the 1st sing that the Ori could really make a serious war in our galaxy. I was wondering what they were gonna send through. One all powerful supership? a Fleet? Who knows. But certainly they will attempt again.

As for some other comments I had issue with:

JFY

Vala and Daniels proximity. Yeah they are close to each other alot. However, most of the 1st few episodes werew when we see them in the infirmary beds. Remember that scene where Vala is in his room. She snuck over but is clearly suppossed to eb away from him at times and being watched. Perhaps with her always attempting to get to Daniel they thought why fight it. As for her in meetings....landry took her to congress--why not have her in the meetings too. Top secret--yeah yeah I know,..but she is able to provide alot of intelligence. She knows about the new Alliance, Goa'ld (since she was one), she new about Nerus. She's one of the few people we have on our side who have had contact with the Ori. So why not have her there?

Anti-Climatic? Nope,...the audience has not seen Sam for awhile, but I am sure she has kept in touch with everyone else. I can see them not hugging.

I had the familiar feeling of the energy being used to make the shield bigger as well. However, the higher ups who like to blow everything up gave the order. Who coulda predicted that they were gonna use a black hole to keep the gate open?

As far as beach head? There was a scout ship in the area monitoring what was going on. Perhaps he overheard the word being used. Plus it really captures what they were trying to do...establish a foothold in our galaxy.

Why is it unlikely for the Goa'uld to follow the Ori? They are "false gods". They do not have any real power of their own. Remember the term "power vaccuum". Every time the most powerful one fell off they scrambled for power and at times they would allow them selves to fall under control of the most powerful leader. It happened with Anubis and most of the system lords followed him. Nerus worked for Ba'al. Lord Yu's Jaffa worked for Ba'al at one point. They are just trying to survive.

I love Landry. I love that he is not a super military type and has a "senile" quality too him. I think Jack chose well.

and Now I Will Destroy Abydos

Nerus was not the best Goa'ld ever. I don't know how you can say that. He was a great character for one epsiode but struck me like Dom Deluise's character..a great oen time perfoamce, but not legendary like apophis. I do believe Nerus will be back though and part of the solution to the Ori problem.

Great episode--Great Season

TheCorpulent1
August 20th, 2005, 09:08 PM
and another thing. is there something between Vala and Teal'c? in the beginning after the basketball scene, Vala was behind Tealc's chair and they exchange looks. something is going on there :D
Teal'c looked at her because she was leaning on his chair. At least, that's the impression I got, since Vala removes her arm quickly and sits down across the table.

I don't know why everyone seems to be against Gerak, though. He's definitely a love-to-hate villain my book. He annoys me, but he's so perfectly Jaffa in the all of the opposite ways from Teal'c that he makes a great foil for Teal'c and antagonist for the SGC. I hope he sticks around for a while.

Uber
August 20th, 2005, 09:10 PM
I enjoyed the episode. I did noticed that Sam refered to Mitchell when it came to giving the order to fire the Promethus' weapons instead of captian of the ship. She knew that he was in command of SG-1.

I also the look of the Goa'uld when Landry told him of his fate after he expected to killed by his actions.Yup...Cam's in command of SG-1 so Sam deferred to him. Of course, right now he's the only member of SG-1, but that's another subject altogether.

People have posted on here why there weren't hugs etc. between everyone and a part of me would have liked to have seen that too but I think this shows that she's been in constant contact with them all along.

Also, Sam isn't back. As far as she's concerned this is just a TDA. She was ordered to join the expedition and to ensure that the weapon detonated without incident. She did her job. She didn't think it would work (albeit for different reasons than it didn't work) and she seemed ambivalent about being there. It was nice for Daniel to say Welcome back to her... "even though it's temporary..."

Vala grew on me in TPTB and I digged her even more in Beachhead. I liked the interaction with SG-ME (Shaft), Teal'c, Daniel and Vala on the court...it showed that she was no longer the adversarial pain in the mik'ta she was when she first gated to earth. She was also right about the Goa'uld. I think Sam and the others agreed with her but really didn't know what else to do...he had vital information and they needed to hear it.

I also like the fact that we had kind of a Jim effect (you know, from Threads)...a somewhat innocuous looking fella who turned out to be a serious enemy (or at least the messenger for that enemy).

I'm proud of Vala for doing the right thing and preventing the formation of the supergate. However for those who don't know Sam, they probably don't know that, had they not been distracted by Vala's taking off, she probably would have made a suggestion that would have been equally affective. That being said, I in no way want to diminish Vala's accomplishment and still hope we'll see her again in the future sometime.

And can I say it??? Because in case you hadn't seen it in every single post leading up to this one...SAMANTHA'S BACK!!!!! yay

She seemed subdued to me and I think this is due to a few reasons. First, my guess is that Amanda was exhausted...I mean she's a new mommy with a hectic schedule. But at least she gets that 6-8 minutes of quality sleep every night. Second, Amanda herself said that at first she felt a little out of place...kind of like the new kid on campus...which is funny for an 8 year veteran to say.

This played well into Sam's mental/emotional state I think because as a character she was apprehensive about being there because, again, she didn't think it would work.

I thought the joke was funny and kinda played out the set up to it in my mind:

Jack calling Area 51: Carter...now I need you to be there at EXACTLY 1400 hours on Thursday. Not a minute before or after. Understood?
Sam: Yes sir. Uh, if I may ask, why that specific a time?
Jack (smirking): I have my reasons.

Now for the rest of the show/characters.

Teal'c continues to be a wall flower. That was really the only thing that disappointed me I think. Come on Chris! When the director yells ACTION! that means do something other than stand in the background.

I'm liking Landry more all the time. He handled that Goa'uld perfectly. And who knew chicken was such an exotic dish? I'll view my dinner tomorrow night much differently now.

And I agree with everyone else. We're royally screwed. Right now we really don't have a way to defeat the Ori. Bullets don't work and apparently neither do Mark 9 nukes.

All in all, Beachhead being the episode I've been waiting for FOR MONTHS was not a disappointment for me on any level (except the Teal'c thing). I enjoyed the "team's" interaction and look forward to next week when they actually become a team.

:cool:

sg1helo
August 20th, 2005, 10:45 PM
best visual effects of the year -- and the best cast -- but bring Vala back,,,

epiphany
August 21st, 2005, 12:31 AM
Salamander7 - Yes, the Daniel being mean to Vala was bad all over. But I'm not a Daniel fan and maybe the Daniel fans liked it? Daniel got some really good snappy comeback lines instead of his usual hemming and hawing. But at the expense of another character, albeit not a "regular" character, is wrong wrong wrong and not funny for me.

Oh I can assure you many Daniel fans were not happy at all with his basically out of character behavior the whole episode. It's like none of the previous episodes had happened and this may as well have been the first time he'd seen Vala since Prometheus Unbound. It was a total contrivance to give a reason for Vala to rush off on her own because no one, specifically Daniel, would allow her a word in edgewise. And it was an unnecessary contrivance at that, as it would have been in character for Vala to do it anyway, if only because, feeling like a "5th wheel" due to Sam's return, she didn't want to let them in on the fact that she was actually doing something UN-selfish, that she cared about them, at least not until after they couldn't really say anything about it that would make her feel self-conscious or exposed. Because that is part of her "wall", the selfishness, the sexual innuendo, etc.

So it would have been the exact same effect only it wouldn't have necessitated acting like the last few episodes hadn't happened.


I really hate losing Vala, but I did like that Teal'c actually had something to do in this one.

What did Teal'c have to do in this one that he didn't have to in the others? I don't think he had much more to do in this one than in the previous ones and frankly I don't think he's had much less to do than has in most seasons of Stargate over all. For the most part over all the seasons he hasn't had much more to do than be the big Jaffa guy who doesn't say much, except in the few episodes that specifically focus on him.


in fact, she wouldn't have been burnt alive if she hadn't taken daniel's advice.

Actually she wasn't burnt alive because she took Daniel's advice, she was burnt after she sort of went off it. She was supposed to do nothing to cause a stir and instead she ended up telling what-his-name's wife she could go "f***" herself. :) However, yes she was imprisoned because she took his advice in TPTB.

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 12:55 AM
I was wondering yesterday night whether to watch the rest of S9 or not. Without Vala actually there's no joy in watching the next eps, but I'm going to check whether they're going to mention Vala's name at least ONCE in the future eps. If not, I'm gonna be HUUUUGELY disappointed and angry with the writers.

Agent_Dark
August 21st, 2005, 12:57 AM
I was wondering yesterday night whether to watch the rest of S9 or not. Without Vala actually there's no joy in watching the next eps, but I'm going to check whether they're going to mention Vala's name at least ONCE in the future eps. If not, I'm gonna be HUUUUGELY disappointed and angry with the writers.
Oh Noes. Perhaps you wont have to post here anymore then? :(

valaCB
August 21st, 2005, 01:23 AM
I liked the episode but Nerus reminds me of Urgo... any one else agree?? lol big bad evil Goa'uld ... if i ever ran into him i dont think I would run away. maybe stop and laugh... but yeah.. thats just me...
Agree. he reminds me of Urgo too .

LoveYouBaby
August 21st, 2005, 02:38 AM
This episode was interesting. This week's Prior wasn't as scary as the previous weeks and it's good to see a Goa'uld.

The basketball game, hahaha. Vala can't beat Daniel, Daniel passes the ball to Mitchell, Mitchell gets pushed by Teal'c, Teal'c grabs ball, passes to Vala, Vala scores. LOL :D The butt-thing was hilarious!

Another plus was seeing AT back on the show... fantastic! O'Neill playing Landry - lol The Goa'uld, not so much. He's gross! He reminds me of a 4 year old kid... ugh! Chocolate-coated hands, touching everything in sight.

We definitely need to see the Ori Stargate, and if the Ori has a powerful power source, could it be similar to that seen on Atlantis "Trinity"?

I thought Vala's comment about the "Stargate club" was so cute. The way she just strolls off to the gate, lol. And the way she just posed in the lift, as the elevator door was closing on the Prometheus - that's so cute. Though, I never noticed the innuendos to be honest. :D

One thing that slightly pfft me off, when the Hatak vessels began firing their weapons at the forcefield, it can be seen that there is a direct correlation between intensity of weapons fire and the expansion rate, like really Carter, duh. I think she has spent too much time in Area 51.

Garak as usual is a pain in the a*s, I really can't wait to see him die or something, cos he's an idiot. Using scouts and cloaked cargo ship to spy - how old ways.

Why do the commanders of Prometheus and Daedalus order fighters to be launched, but they never do?

And though it's great that the Super-gate never got completed, I wouldn't have mind seeing the gate get activated. How clever to use 2 blackholes as fix points to allow the established vectors and the necessary energy requirements. All I could think of when I saw the gate for the first time, was what the Doci said, it was a close call.

Emmm... why didn't the Prometheus use their Asgard transport technology, to get Vala out?

A cool episode, 9/10.

Crichton
August 21st, 2005, 02:46 AM
the Prometheus has never had the ability to lock on to people or items like the Asgaard do. Just the transporter tech "LoveyouBaby."

nodrog
August 21st, 2005, 02:55 AM
Great episode--Great Season

--Great Show

LoveYouBaby
August 21st, 2005, 02:57 AM
the Prometheus has never had the ability to lock on to people or items like the Asgaard do. Just the transporter tech "LoveyouBaby."

Yes they have now. How did they get through the forcefield to load the naquadria-enhanced bomb? Then to get beamed back up to the ship.


I seriously doubt that the Asgard wouldn't try to update the Prometheus to a similar level as that of the Daedalus. Unless Prometheus is still using the locking on the individual by their radio-thing... *headache*

QuiGonJohn
August 21st, 2005, 06:16 AM
Great show, a couple things that struck me.

1. When the Goa'uld is meeting the team. Like the writers were poking fun at themselves with Mitchell not being Jack, and Vala not being Carter, etc.

2. I do not think Gerak is "in with the Ori" as at least one poster said. Just stubborn and not too smart. Thinks shooting at them as much and as long as possible will win.

chocdoc
August 21st, 2005, 06:45 AM
What did Teal'c have to do in this one that he didn't have to in the others? I don't think he had much more to do in this one than in the previous ones and frankly I don't think he's had much less to do than has in most seasons of Stargate over all. For the most part over all the seasons he hasn't had much more to do than be the big Jaffa guy who doesn't say much, except in the few episodes that specifically focus on him.



IMO, Teal'c has had significantly less to do in this season than most previous seasons by the time we have reached six episodes. He had more to do in Redemption I and II (his role was important here), more to do in Fallen and Homecoming and in New Order I and II. He was much more present in the premieres than the season 9 premiere.

And by the time we have seen six episodes, Teal'c has been featured. Examples are Orpheus and Avatar. He's had a larger role sooner in the other seasons. In season 6, he had alot of interaction with Jonas early on as well.

What is surprising to me is that in the season where Jack and Sam are almost non-existent in the first five episodes, Teal'c (the only other main char except Daniel) has had so little screen time. Ah, but his time will come perhaps next week.

TheCorpulent1
August 21st, 2005, 07:14 AM
I think the reason Teal'c's not playing too big a role right now is because his story is basically a subplot that's weaving through the entire season. I do hope we get a few episodes that actually focuses on the FJN and Teal'c this season, though.

1. When the Goa'uld is meeting the team. Like the writers were poking fun at themselves with Mitchell not being Jack, and Vala not being Carter, etc.
Yeah, I loved that. Some of TPTB's infamous self-referential humor. It worked really well, too, since it actually made sense in the scene and offered an on-screen method of voicing a lot of fans' concerns about Jack's departure.

AGateFan
August 21st, 2005, 07:21 AM
I think the reason Teal'c's not playing too big a role right now is because his story is basically a subplot that's weaving through the entire season. I do hope we get a few episodes that actually focuses on the FJN and Teal'c this season, though.

Yeah, I loved that. Some of TPTB's infamous self-referential humor. It worked really well, too, since it actually made sense in the scene and offered an on-screen method of voicing a lot of fans' concerns about Jack's departure.

Double, double funny about that scene with the Goa'uld. Not only was he referencing the fact that Jack and Sam werent there but he implied that Teal'c WAS the reason the goa'uld were defeated. So its like Teal'c got a nod along with Jack and Sam. He has been so instrumental to the victory in the last 8 years but hardly used at all this season. Plus we see how people offworld see the victory. They seem to see the Jaffa having defeated the goa'uld with the tauri just helping a bit.

TheCorpulent1
August 21st, 2005, 07:40 AM
On the contrary, I think they view the Tau'ri as pretty instrumental. Nerus later tells Landry that they're living in a galaxy of his own making, not the Jaffa's making.

SierraGulf1
August 21st, 2005, 08:35 AM
Well, I just typed up my entire lengthy evalutation of Beachhead only to have my computer freeze up as I posted it. I copied some of it, but I had to shutdown the computer, so I'll sum up my paragraphs into sentences.

Liked Mitchell, didn't like "Shaft."
Liked Carter, I think she feels awkward coming back after a few months, that being why she seemed out of place to some people. I'm glad she's back and hope she joins up soon.
Liked Daniel, though some say he was overly harsh with Vala. We have to remember that he is growing tired of her antics and has been very nice to her despite her actions so far. He was glad she was alive in the end, so we know he cares.
Liked Teal'c, got to say a bit more and speak to Gerak, I'm hoping he gets more heavily featured soon, since Ex Deus Machina and Babylon heavily feature Jaffa and Goa'uld, his specialties.
Liked Vala, hated her in Prometheus Unbound. By Avalon II she had grown on me, and I want her to return. She just wanted to prove herself and I think at some point she really wanted to join SG-1. Despite her personality and use of innuendo, I think she is a strong woman who will make her way back. The Vala arc isn't over, it's just merely on hold.
Liked Landry, like him almost as much as Hammond. He handled Nerus well and is on top of things.
Liked Nerus, that man can act.
Liked the lack of Lam, enough said.

I see Landry calls Walter chief now. :rolleyes:

All in all I liked it, maybe not so much as TPTB, which still rates #1 this season. I loved the concept of the Supergate, and as predictable as some say the properties of the force field were, no one can tell me they predicted the black hole and supergate. Bring on Ex Deus Machina, I've been waiting for it since the summary came out.

And in three weeks we get Prototype AND The Fourth Horseman I.

Then again, the break draws ever closer. :(

TheCorpulent1
August 21st, 2005, 08:46 AM
I predicted the black hole, actually. As soon as the lieutenant guy on Prometheus noted that the planet was shrinking, I thought "singularity." Kinda obvious. The Supergate was a surprise though. I'd heard spoilers of a planet-sized Stargate, but I didn't think it'd show up this soon.

You didn't like "Shaft"? I thought it was hilarious. His callsign is "Shaft," but instead of explaining it with a cool backstory, like how he always wanted to be Shaft when he was a kid, it turns out to be a pun on his name and an engine component. The anti-climax of the joke made it funny to me, I guess. :)

SierraGulf1
August 21st, 2005, 08:53 AM
I predicted the black hole, actually. As soon as the lieutenant guy on Prometheus noted that the planet was shrinking, I thought "singularity." Kinda obvious. The Supergate was a surprise though. I'd heard spoilers of a planet-sized Stargate, but I didn't think it'd show up this soon.

Damn it, I lose. :p I didn't see it coming at all, but by the time they said the planet was shrinking it was almost stated that it was a black hole anyway. Oh well, good catch. :) I had also heard talk of a huge Stargate, and was happy to see it show up. I wanna see one activated though.


You didn't like "Shaft"? I thought it was hilarious. His callsign is "Shaft," but instead of explaining it with a cool backstory, like how he always wanted to be Shaft when he was a kid, it turns out to be a pun on his name and an engine component. The anti-climax of the joke made it funny to me, I guess. :)

I guess I'm kind of young, the joke went over my head. Never heard of a Camshaft, ignorant me. :p

trinity23
August 21st, 2005, 12:51 PM
:D VERY happy Sam's back.
:mad: Very Disappointed that no one but Daniel said welcome back (and even that felt like an after thought).
Wished there would have been more interaction with her and Vala.
I'll deeply miss Vala. She's the only one that made me laugh since Jack's been gone. And her and T doing the booty bump--PRICELESS!!!
I would love it if Vala came back all believing in the Ori, but it was really a front and she was secretly plotting her escape.
And why did everyone smile when they found out she may still be alive in Ori World? Does NO ONE care that she could be getting some creepy Ori mojo done on her, and after all she did in saving their butts :(

the fifth man
August 21st, 2005, 12:51 PM
Bring on the next episode!! :)

Maekas
August 21st, 2005, 12:53 PM
Fantastic episode. The Ori did a very good job using us and the jaffa for their own purposes. Couldn't expect something like that. I did predict the energy field drawing its power from the weapons, though :)

I hate what they did to Vala. They threw her out in a really cruel way, it seemed. I can only hope that she is alive and well and also kicking the Ori's asses ;) The bad thing is that she is all alone in a distant galaxy where there are no friends and seemingly no way back. Daniel and Cam seemed quite happy about it too :(
But then again, the character has a window to come back with a really big bang. I hope that it will happen at the end of this season, in the finale.

Nerus was a great character, Maury Chaykin did a fine job. Gotta love that man and his acting. He got a good punishment too. Like the torment of Tantalus (talking about the Greek mythology, not the SG episode :)). He has the finest food in his reach but can't get to it. And he also has to help people that he most problably hates very, very much.

Gargen
August 21st, 2005, 12:57 PM
hmm some how i see Vala tricking the orii into letting her leave but then being a pain in there ascended asses, but what would happen if vala ascended she would just one piss off the ori and the ancients and would just pester daniel with her ascended powers.

Maekas
August 21st, 2005, 01:25 PM
And damn, I forgot some things.

Sam, glad to have her back. Hair is kind of messy, but I like it, she's sexy with this hairstyle. Don't know if it is approproate for military personnel to have so messy hair, though.
Mitchell - too bad that he still hasn't had field action. Would like to see him use his P90, would be good action. Only excercise he's had is the basketball game with the others. The way he threatened the prior was also great. He is a great speaker, he is good with words :)
Teal'c hasn't had much to do either, but I predict that in Babylon, he will have something to do. I think that he can be used well in Ex Deus Machina and Prototype too. Let's see.

And something else about Nerus. Liked his face after hearing his punishment :)

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2864/happynerus3rs.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=happynerus3rs.jpg)
Nerus: "What would possibly compell me to do that?"
Landry: "Hunger!"
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/6775/sadnerus0zd.th.jpg (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sadnerus0zd.jpg)

What a fantastic use of facial expressions :cool:
He is like a child, who has been punished by his mother, while thinking: "Come on, this is like too strict, don't ya think?" :D

OK, gonna go and see Trinity, now, too.

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 01:31 PM
And why did everyone smile when they found out she may still be alive in Ori World? Does NO ONE care that she could be getting some creepy Ori mojo done on her, and after all she did in saving their butts :(

Very good question. And it seems that NO ONE cares, they obviously think that they're superior humans from Earth and she's someone worse than them. I really hate this kind of attitude, 'cause Vala is much better person than they all together!

Ugly Pig
August 21st, 2005, 01:35 PM
Less talk, more shut the hell up!


PIGGY'S USELESS OPINION
of 'Beachhead'

This was pretty darn good! Didn't care much for the cooperative Goa'uld guy at first, but of course he turned out to be untrustworthy and all is right with the universe. Interesting how he admired the Ori. No doubt he's impressed that they appear to succeed where the Goa'uld (eventually) failed.

I liked the jaffa people at the beginning. How they've come to realize on their own that the Ori are false gods, not unlike their former enslavers (though obviously far more powerful and dangerous). It's nice to see some non-Earthlings who can think for themselves and don't need to be shown the light by SG-1.

Random Observations!
- Once again... why is Teal'c back?
- So Sam is not officially back permanently. When will she rejoin SG-1?
- Sooo... The Ori promise their devout followers ascension upon death? Interesting. Wonder if they actually make good on that promise...
- Giant space Stargate! Wooooo!!
- Gerak is a jerk.
- Anyone suspect Vala will show up again as a Prior?

kirmit
August 21st, 2005, 01:37 PM
I love this episode! no doubt when the dvd's come out this is one I'll rewatch several times, the only disappointing thing is we didn't get to see the supergate active, I wuld've loved to of seen that.

Gargen
August 21st, 2005, 01:39 PM
ehh man that would be creepy and i dont know if chicks are allowed to be priors cause weve only seen guys but that would be funny but i still think she will torment the oreos

Hallowed are the Oreos

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 01:39 PM
- Anyone suspect Vala will show up again as a Prior?

Oh no, this would be the worst possible idea. Really.

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 01:40 PM
I too feel that Vala should have tried harder to get someone to listen to her... she isn't really the type of person I would call a do-gooder, or someone who would put her life on the line easily, even to save others. I know some people will cry 'character development,' but you don't develop character in five minutes. One minute she's urging that Prometheus leave and go home, and the next she's on a suicide mission. That doesn't add up, in my book.

Considering how many times they all ignored her and Daniel's funny ,but cutting comment "Less talking and more shut-the-hell up", Vala decided to DEMONSTRATE her idea rather than get them to listen to her, since it was very obvious, they didn't care what she had to say, even if it would help them. Shame on the team for that.

I think Vala is somewhere in the Ori Universe causing all sorts of problems for them. <weg> Hopefully though, they won't capture and burn her again. LOL

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 01:44 PM
Considering how many times they all ignored her and Daniel's funny ,but cutting comment "Less talking and more shut-the-hell up", Vala decided to DEMONSTRATE her idea rather than get them to listen to her, since it was very obvious, they didn't care what she had to say, even if it would help them. Shame on the team for that.

I think Vala is somewhere in the Ori Universe causing all sorts of problems for them. <weg> Hopefully though, they won't capture and burn her again. LOL

But first she needs someone/something to help her with her own problems with bracelets effect, Daniel ended up in the infirmary, why the frell nobody cares about Vala being in the same situation? I really want an explanation on this subject...

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 01:51 PM
Yep. I liked this episode as well. So far SG1 has it over SGA by a wide margin, at least in my book.

We know the Orii have rings since Vala and Daniel were ringed to the "planes of celestis". Can't wait to find out where she ended up! Imagine Vala coming back to SG1 as an Orii Prior.

"Convert to Origin now...or I will never make love to you again." Or something like that. :) LOL

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_30.gif

Bite your tongue! ;) Vala will be ruling the Ori...just you wait. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_214.gif

Ok, seriously, I certainly don't hope TPTB for the show don't go that route, that would be predictable and boring. Here's hoping that Vala will come back, a little worse for wear, but pretty much Vala. :D

AGateFan
August 21st, 2005, 01:59 PM
Fantastic episode. The Ori did a very good job using us and the jaffa for their own purposes. Couldn't expect something like that. I did predict the energy field drawing its power from the weapons, though :)

I hate what they did to Vala. They threw her out in a really cruel way, it seemed. I can only hope that she is alive and well and also kicking the Ori's asses ;) The bad thing is that she is all alone in a distant galaxy where there are no friends and seemingly no way back. Daniel and Cam seemed quite happy about it too :(
But then again, the character has a window to come back with a really big bang. I hope that it will happen at the end of this season, in the finale.

Nerus was a great character, Maury Chaykin did a fine job. Gotta love that man and his acting. He got a good punishment too. Like the torment of Tantalus (talking about the Greek mythology, not the SG episode :)). He has the finest food in his reach but can't get to it. And he also has to help people that he most problably hates very, very much.

Well maybe she will find some help in the form of some escaping prisoners in some special ship ;)

Now THAT would be funny: Vala returns to the Milky Way. Daniel and the others are impressed and asked "how'd you manage it" and Vala tells them she met up with these people (not all humanoid btw) who were trying to escape an Ori prison ship and she helped them out and made it possible for them to escape.. They have been on the run ever since the escape until Vala found the Wormhole technology necessary to return home.....maybe with the help of the Anceints :p . I think I have discovered TPTBs super secret plan!!!. :D

thorshammer
August 21st, 2005, 02:08 PM
How will the Ori do that again without the help of our gatebusters? Will they find something as powerful as that and if they do what will it be and where will they find it?

sg-1fanintn
August 21st, 2005, 02:11 PM
Beach Head was the first ep of S9 that felt like Stargate SG-1 to me. I loved it, partly because Sam was back.....but I also loved the challenge the team faced this time. And the mega-gate the Ori were constructing at the end was awesome! It was also good to see Pendergast again.

I believe the Ori are going to make a formidable enemy.....and beating them will require the team to think differently than they have in fighting the Goa'uld. That being said, I'm still looking forward to seeing Ba'al again!

majorsal
August 21st, 2005, 02:13 PM
Considering how many times they all ignored her and Daniel's funny ,but cutting comment "Less talking and more shut-the-hell up", Vala decided to DEMONSTRATE her idea rather than get them to listen to her, since it was very obvious, they didn't care what she had to say, even if it would help them. Shame on the team for that.



only going on one viewing of this ep so far, i think it made sense why no one wanted to listen to vala (well, besides the fact that she *and then daniel* got them into this situation to begin with). as soon as someone new came into the picture (this would be sam), vala started realizing she wasn't the center of attention anymore. and it irked her. and she handled it by sulking and pouting. if vala wanted respect, she needed to earn it. instead of running off, she could have walked into the middle of the bridge and whistled loudly. that would have grabbed everyones attention and they would have shut up a moment. then she could have told them her idea. i guess what i'm saying is that vala acted immature and ppl treated her accordingly. just my (prob unpopular) opinion of course.


sally :)

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 02:15 PM
As a side note, can we please have Gerak killed soon? He is starting to get on my nerves. Or can we at least speed up his dialouge? He pauses every two or three words it seems.

I call that "Shatner syndrom". It's a shame that such a fine, talented actor like Lou G. has taken that road. Come back Lou, come back from Shatner land! PLEASE!!!

btw for those who think Vala needs to be rescued... I don't think Vala needs anyone to rescue her...she's a tough lady...she'll bounce back, just fine on her own. :D

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 02:18 PM
only going on one viewing of this ep so far, i think it made sense why no one wanted to listen to vala (well, besides the fact that she *and then daniel* got them into this situation to begin with). as soon as someone new came into the picture (this would be sam), vala started realizing she wasn't the center of attention anymore. and it irked her. and she handled it by sulking and pouting. if vala wanted respect, she needed to earn it. instead of running off, she could have walked into the middle of the bridge and whistled loudly. that would have grabbed everyones attention and they would have shut up a moment. then she could have told them her idea. i guess what i'm saying is that vala acted immature and ppl treated her accordingly. just my (prob unpopular) opinion of course.


sally :)

Wrong. They didn't really have time for more debating what needs to be done. Vala just did it.

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 02:19 PM
I don't know why everyone seems to be against Gerak, though. He's definitely a love-to-hate villain my book. He annoys me, but he's so perfectly Jaffa in the all of the opposite ways from Teal'c that he makes a great foil for Teal'c and antagonist for the SGC. I hope he sticks around for a while.

For me it's not so much that I hate the character...I hate the choice either Lou G or the directors have made with how Gerak speaks. Way to Shatner for me. Lou is a much better actor than that. It's just sad to me that he's doing the Shatner pauses like he is. :rolleyes:

Maekas
August 21st, 2005, 02:19 PM
Well maybe she will find some help in the form of some escaping prisoners in some special ship ;)

Now THAT would be funny: Vala returns to the Milky Way. Daniel and the others are impressed and asked "how'd you manage it" and Vala tells them she met up with these people (not all humanoid btw) who were trying to escape an Ori prison ship and she helped them out and made it possible for them to escape.. They have been on the run ever since the escape until Vala found the Wormhole technology necessary to return home.....maybe with the help of the Anceints :p . I think I have discovered TPTBs super secret plan!!!. :D
Now, that would make an excellent episode of the new spin-off series called Starscape :D

valaCB
August 21st, 2005, 02:21 PM
Well maybe she will find some help in the form of some escaping prisoners in some special ship ;)

Now THAT would be funny: Vala returns to the Milky Way. Daniel and the others are impressed and asked "how'd you manage it" and Vala tells them she met up with these people (not all humanoid btw) who were trying to escape an Ori prison ship and she helped them out and made it possible for them to escape.. They have been on the run ever since the escape until Vala found the Wormhole technology necessary to return home.....maybe with the help of the Anceints :p . I think I have discovered TPTBs super secret plan!!!. :D

In short, spin-off Stargate-Vala ;) http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/glasses/bravo.gif http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/happy/rainbow.gif

Shipperahoy
August 21st, 2005, 02:22 PM
Wrong. They didn't really have time for more debating what needs to be done. Vala just did it.

Oh yeah, telling somebody their opinion is wrong is such a great way to foster discussion. :rolleyes: I agree with Sal. Vala was upset that she was being ignored and decided to act on her own in order to show them that she was worth listening to. Even her dialogue when she was talking to them while she was on the cargo ship implied a sort of "Well after I fix this mess you'll see how wrong you were about me" attitude. She could have gotten their attention if she really wanted to. Of course then there wouldn't have been such a convenient plotline to get Vala off the show after her 6 eps were done.

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 02:22 PM
Now, that would make an excellent episode of the new spin-off series called Starscape :D

Love this idea :)

Ugly Pig
August 21st, 2005, 02:26 PM
Oh no, this would be the worst possible idea. Really.Well, I didn't say it was a good idea. ;)

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 02:28 PM
Oh yeah, telling somebody their opinion is wrong is such a great way to foster discussion. :rolleyes: I agree with Sal. Vala was upset that she was being ignored and decided to act on her own in order to show them that she was worth listening to. Even her dialogue when she was talking to them while she was on the cargo ship implied a sort of "Well after I fix this mess you'll see how wrong you were about me" attitude. She could have gotten their attention if she really wanted to. Of course then there wouldn't have been such a convenient plotline to get Vala off the show after her 6 eps were done.

And that's the problem... BTW, Vala really wanted. They just weren't supposed to listen to her.

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 02:29 PM
And why did everyone smile when they found out she may still be alive in Ori World? Does NO ONE care that she could be getting some creepy Ori mojo done on her, and after all she did in saving their butts :(

Cause they know something about Vala the Ori don't...Vala will NOT fall for the Ori crap. She'll also be wrecking havoc on them just like she did with the SGC team. LOL

valaCB
August 21st, 2005, 02:33 PM
Cause they know something about Vala the Ori don't...Vala will NOT fall for the Ori crap. She'll also be wrecking havoc on them just like she did with the SGC team. LOL
If not, she will burned again :p

Egeria
August 21st, 2005, 02:33 PM
Cause they know something about Vala the Ori don't...Vala will NOT fall for the Ori crap. She'll also be wrecking havoc on them just like she did with the SGC team. LOL

I don't see Vala wrecking havoc, more as keeping her head down and doing what she needs to do to survive. The Ori know who she is, she's a survivor and I can't see her doing anything but trying to get out of there in one piece.

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 02:37 PM
I don't see Vala wrecking havoc, more as keeping her head down and doing what she needs to do to survive. The Ori know who she is, she's a survivor and I can't see her doing anything but trying to get out of there in one piece.

Exactly. And it's not going to be an easy task...

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 02:40 PM
But first she needs someone/something to help her with her own problems with bracelets effect, Daniel ended up in the infirmary, why the frell nobody cares about Vala being in the same situation? I really want an explanation on this subject...

I think the others do care but they (like me) see Vala as a very capable woman who can actually take care of herself. Vala is not some nambypambywimpy"Ineedamantosaveme" type woman. Sure she's very unconventional and slightly annoying, but this is a woman who does know how to take care of NumeroUno! :D I have every faith in Vala and her ability to take care of herself. How else could she have survived all she's been through, seemingly without any friends? Yes, friends are nice and I do think eventually the others will realize the huge sacrifice Vala made for them and the rest of the Milky Way. They'll give her, her due. Trust me. :D



Well maybe she will find some help in the form of some escaping prisoners in some special ship ;)

Now THAT would be funny: Vala returns to the Milky Way. Daniel and the others are impressed and asked "how'd you manage it" and Vala tells them she met up with these people (not all humanoid btw) who were trying to escape an Ori prison ship and she helped them out and made it possible for them to escape.. They have been on the run ever since the escape until Vala found the Wormhole technology necessary to return home.....maybe with the help of the Anceints :p . I think I have discovered TPTBs super secret plan!!!. :D

*snickers Sorry...but that's already been done. ;)

Dimeron
August 21st, 2005, 02:42 PM
I liked the episode but Nerus reminds me of Urgo... any one else agree?? lol big bad evil Goa'uld ... if i ever ran into him i dont think I would run away. maybe stop and laugh... but yeah.. thats just me...

He was never big bad. he was a nobody who served Baal, now he's a nobody who (used to) server Ori.

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 21st, 2005, 02:45 PM
Now that's what I'm talking about! :D

Excellent ep. Great performances from everybody. I loved Vala in this ep. I do so hope that she is sending a message to the Ori and getting away with it. :D

Sam's back and that's just fiiiine with me!(get a haircut, though. Lt. Col.) Loved Jack's joke on Landry, the gang playing basketball, Sam's "what's with the backup singer?" Loved the little uncomfortable situation they put themselves in when Cam gave that dramatic ultimatum about the thirty "Earth minutes" because he wanted to give Daniel plenty of time to talk (talk about laugh!) and also Daniel telling Vala to shut up because they needed the ideas of someone capable of thinking outside the box - a lovely tribute to Sam. It was great to know that Vala showed just how capable she was of doing just that.

BTW, in many posts in other threads(this is my first foray into this thread)fans have mentioned that Vala left while SG-1 was squabbling amongst themselves. I certainly didn't see any squabbling, at all. Quite the opposite, in fact; they simply weren't coming up with a solution.

Sam definately gave subtle looks when Dan & Cam :D welcomed her back/tried to convince her to stay. Looking forward to seeing what her reasons are for not wanting to rejoin the band.

The Goa'uld was deliciously nasty - pardon the pun. That he actually planned to be executed is rather chilling, but in keeping with the Goa'uld's appetite for ambition. I laughed so hard that he was more afraid of going hungry than of dying! :p I hope he's a recurring character!

Garak is certainly going to be a thorn in SG-1's side. I wonder how long he'll be around?(That's a rhetorical question; please, don't tell me. I don't want to be spoiled.)

Finally, the Ori. Ooof! Now that's science! I loved how all the human's and Jaffa's tricks failed against their Beachead, yet a relatively simple solution won the day.

SG-1 gets lucky again, but for how long? Hopefully the power and time required to mount such an assault as this one will take time and give SG-1 time to get to know their enemy better or else they are so screwed. :eek:

This ep is a keeper. :)

Kalliope
August 21st, 2005, 02:48 PM
I think the others do care but they (like me) see Vala as a very capable woman who can actually take care of herself. Vala is not some nambypambywimpy"Ineedamantosaveme" type woman. Sure she's very unconventional and slightly annoying, but this is a woman who does know how to take care of NumeroUno! :D I have every faith in Vala and her ability to take care of herself. How else could she have survived all she's been through, seemingly without any friends? Yes, friends are nice and I do think eventually the others will realize the huge sacrifice Vala made for them and the rest of the Milky Way. They'll give her, her due. Trust me. :D


I know they wil. But at the moment I mean her possible temporary weakness caused by the bracelets effect, how she's going to solve THIS PARTICULAR problem by herself.

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 02:52 PM
only going on one viewing of this ep so far, i think it made sense why no one wanted to listen to vala (well, besides the fact that she *and then daniel* got them into this situation to begin with). as soon as someone new came into the picture (this would be sam), vala started realizing she wasn't the center of attention anymore. and it irked her. and she handled it by sulking and pouting. if vala wanted respect, she needed to earn it. instead of running off, she could have walked into the middle of the bridge and whistled loudly. that would have grabbed everyones attention and they would have shut up a moment. then she could have told them her idea. i guess what i'm saying is that vala acted immature and ppl treated her accordingly. just my (prob unpopular) opinion of course.

It could have easily been any one of the other characters that could have gotten them in the predicament they are all in, you know. But the writers decided to make it Vala and Daniel so seemingly to me, other fans are all bent out of shape. Hopefully people will realize that something had to happen like this so that we'd have another season of the show. ;) LOL


Have to respectfully disagree, Vala felt like a 5th wheel, but she still wanted to help out. The others blatently ignored and belittled her, because they still see her as the person they first met. She's changed and genuinely (well as much as she can be) wanted to help out. I think she was hurt by Daniel's cutting (but funny) "Little less talking, more shut-the-hell-up" comment. They don't think she's smart, that's their big problem. They all think they are smarter than she is. They aren't, they've just had different lives. Vala has seen way more than any of them will ever know and has gone through way more than any of the team has (with the possible exception of Teal'C). Shame on the team for not listening to her.

As for her standing in front of them and whistling to get their attention, I honestly don't think it would have worked either. They were all so intent on trying to solve the problem themselves, as a team, sans Vala, that they wouldn't have listened to her if she had stripped naked and ran around the room screaming like crazy. None of them wanted to hear what she had to say, so she did what she does best, takes matters into her own hands and solved the problem herself and saved the universe (for now).

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 02:58 PM
I know they wil. But at the moment I mean her possible temporary weakness caused by the bracelets effect, how she's going to solve THIS PARTICULAR problem by herself.

She will pull through, like she always has. :D As for not causing problems in the Ori universe...I have a feeling she will be...just to keep them on their toes and from taking over anymore planets. She just might go underground to do it...but she'll still be a thorn in their side. :D

BodenMaddox
August 21st, 2005, 03:07 PM
- Anyone suspect Vala will show up again as a Prior?

It's an interesting idea, for sure. The only glitch in it, I think, is that what we've seen of the Priors so far is that they are "true believers" who are granted power by the Ori in order to serve their cause. I just don't see Vala becoming a True Believer in order to be given the power.

But, then... hmm... ;)

SunKrux
August 21st, 2005, 03:22 PM
It's an interesting idea, for sure. The only glitch in it, I think, is that what we've seen of the Priors so far is that they are "true believers" who are granted power by the Ori in order to serve their cause. I just don't see Vala becoming a True Believer in order to be given the power.

But, then... hmm... ;)


Knowing what she knows about the Ori, I don't see Vala going for that. I think she'll be helping those who are resisting the Ori and making it difficult for the Ori to get a foot hold in any where.

Uber
August 21st, 2005, 03:29 PM
I'm not about to go through 12 pages of posts to see if someone's asked and answered this...so I'll pose it here...

Okay. So Vala's matter stream beamed off of the cargo ship and according to Sam may have gone through the singularity to the Ori home galaxy.

How does this in any way mean that she survived?

In Evolution 2, we saw Bra'tac ring a Kull warrior off a cargo ship midflight to a position directly underneath the ship and the Kull warrior reintigrated and fell to his death.

We've seen them ring to a planet's surface without the benefits of a ring platform...but that was when the surface was directly underneath their ship...like in Memento.

But how does this bode well for Vala? As far as I can tell, her matter stream transported to the Ori home galaxy...but without a specific place to reintigrate (and we know she was trying to ring back to Prometheus...so her targetting data was not set up for transport across galaxies) or a ring platform in range, how did it do anything but dissipate into nothingness?

I know...this is probably one for the tech thread, right?

:cool:

Maekas
August 21st, 2005, 03:48 PM
I'm not a technology buff, but here's my hypothesis about Vala and the rings.
The rings were targeted to the rings on Prometheus. When she was transported to the Ori's galaxy, along with the cargo ship and its rings, the cargo ship rings didn't have anywhere to lock on anymore. So, perhaps for this kind of case the ancients had built a failsafe mechanism so the disintegrated matter wouldn't be lost. So what I think is, that the rings will find the closest possible target to lock on, and transport Vala there.
And since there should be an Ori ship or settlement near the black hole in the other galaxy, there should also be rings.

It is one possibility, but I might be terribly wrong. I hope you understood my idea :)

sueKay
August 21st, 2005, 04:04 PM
I've yet to see the ep, but popping in with my own comments...I'll be back when I get to see it!

Sam -YAY!!!!!!!!!!! She's back!!!!!!!!!! Nearly all is right with the world!!!!!!!!
Daniel's SHAVED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Teal'c did something!!!!!!!!
Cameron - What can I say...LOVE the guy...think he's great and can't wait to see more of him!!!!
Landry - Reserving judgement
Super gate - WHOA!!!!! Hope to see it again
Vala - couldn't care less (sorry!)...Just don't like her.

jckfan55
August 21st, 2005, 04:48 PM
Knowing what she knows about the Ori, I don't see Vala going for that. I think she'll be helping those who are resisting the Ori and making it difficult for the Ori to get a foot hold in any where.
Not only does she have reason to hate the Ori, but how do you do business (cons) with a bunch of religious zealots? :)

citro
August 21st, 2005, 04:53 PM
Nice ep. Imaginative CGI. Tauri kicked butt.

... but when emotions are left behind, I'm sad. The ending spoiled everything. When something tragic happens (chances are Vala is dead), I expect more than lame wisecracks. Think Meridian and Heroes ending with a big laugh. Kinda' sux, don't you think ?

stargate barbie
August 21st, 2005, 05:22 PM
can anyone direct me to a little clip or even give me a transcript of jacks practical joke scene? pretty please?

TheCorpulent1
August 21st, 2005, 05:32 PM
can anyone direct me to a little clip or even give me a transcript of jacks practical joke scene? pretty please?
Well, since you asked so nicely. ;) I can't provide a clip, but here's my transcript of the scene. Sorry if there are any mistakes.

LANDRY (on the phone, pacing): Jack, Jack! Jack, she practically invented the Mark IX, and you're the one who thinks we should use the damn thing. Why are you wasting valuable time saying no? I've read enough of your SG-1 mission reports to know that there were times when no one else but Samantha Carter could've pulled your ass out of the fire. Well, this is one of those ti--

(Camera pans from Landry to the door, where Sam is standing in dress uniform.)

CARTER: Reporting as ordered, sir.

LANDRY: ... Yeah. She's standing right here. (Landry eyes Sam with the phone still to his ear.) You're a funny man, Jack. Very funny.

(Landry hangs up the phone, then turns back to Sam, who smiles.)

That's it. Not really a huge scene, but it was nice. :)

stargate barbie
August 21st, 2005, 05:44 PM
niiice. thank you.

akimbo
August 21st, 2005, 06:02 PM
I thought it was a good ep. Lots of action, not so much talking in the board room. Which is always good.

Loved the basketball game. I enjoyed the non-Tauri take on basketball. Teal'c needs to learn that hip checks are for hockey (I think he hip checked Cam on both drives.) (And Cam comes to attention in the middle of a basketball game when Landry shows up. :lol: )

Maury Chaykin was fabulous as usual. The man can easily go much further over the top than this and he was quite toned down. I loved his look at the end when he found he would be "working for food". Great face and he held it so well - I'll bet Brad Turner didn't know when to say "cut". He he!

I liked that Sam's re-entry did not have a lot of fanfare. Made you feel like they were involved with each other anyway (like she and Daniel had a conversation about the bracelets).

Cam "Shaft" made me groan. Oy!

I loved that Vala felt totally left out and was hopelessly vying for membership in the "Stargating Club". Daniel may have been a bit harsh with his "shut ups", but the "a little more shut-the-hell-up" was priceless. I understood that she (for the purposes of the ep) needed to feel that she wasn't going to be listened to and do it for herself.

Loved that Cam wanted to have a "nuke free" career and that he gave the Prior the blah-blah-blah-blah-blah line to shut him up and "30 Earth Minutes" to allow plenty of time for Daniel to talk. And then....nothing. :D Very funny.

When the planet started to compress, the black hole concept became pretty apparent and it was tough to believe that they didn't get the connection between the Mark IX and the spreading of the force shield. But I'll easily overlook that point.

I don't think anyone has mentioned the "think outside the box" joke. Cam said they needed a giant set of bolt cutters (or something like that) and I think it was Daniel that said: "A little too far outside the box....come back closer to the box" or something like that. Too cute.

I loved that Daniel was upset that Vala was probably dead because he didn't pay any attention to her and that they all saw Vala as giving the Ori the business on the other side of the galaxy.

Over all, very enjoyable. Not a "OMG lets watch that again" ep, but very nice.

TheCorpulent1
August 21st, 2005, 06:20 PM
niiice. thank you.
You're welcome.

penigal
August 21st, 2005, 08:45 PM
Why does everyone assume that Vala was sent to the Ori galaxy? If her matter stream was sucked into the balck hole that would be the end of her (unless she got stuck in the event horizon like in Andromeda). The black hole was made to power the massive stargate, not to send traffic through. For her matter stream to make it to the Ori galaxy, the stargate would have to worked. Also matter is one directional through the gate. If it were to suceed, things could only go from there to here.

Elwe Singollo
August 21st, 2005, 08:56 PM
Why does everyone assume that Vala was sent to the Ori galaxy? If her matter stream was sucked into the balck hole that would be the end of her (unless she got stuck in the event horizon like in Andromeda). The black hole was made to power the massive stargate, not to send traffic through. For her matter stream to make it to the Ori galaxy, the stargate would have to worked. Also matter is one directional through the gate. If it were to suceed, things could only go from there to here.I think everyone is simply assuming she was sent there because it was said so on the show, although she did say only that their could be a chance.

Darth Bane
August 21st, 2005, 09:07 PM
I thought it was a great episode. We got to see Sam again after a breif absece and finally we get to see some real action with the Ori. Too bad about Vala, though the writers have made a way that she can be brought back.

Oma Desala
August 21st, 2005, 11:09 PM
I still a little confused on the entire 'Super Gate' part. Why was the Ori, Prior building such a large gate? What exactly is the use for something so big? We are so screwed fighting Ori thats for sure. There is no way we can beat Ascended/Powerful beings such as them.

Daniel needs to find a way to ascend again, and get help from Annubis and Oma. :) This many episodes in to the season and we don't have the Asgard's view on the Ori. For the Ori being all knowing, they seemed a little surprised to find all these planets that they are not worshipped. Just a few drivels going through my mind.

valaCB
August 21st, 2005, 11:10 PM
Knowing what she knows about the Ori, I don't see Vala going for that. I think she'll be helping those who are resisting the Ori and making it difficult for the Ori to get a foot hold in any where.

I think you are right, she will help the people there.

Daniel's_twin
August 21st, 2005, 11:18 PM
I still a little confused on the entire 'Super Gate' part. Why was the Ori, Prior building such a large gate? What exactly is the use for something so big? We are so screwed fighting Ori thats for sure. There is no way we can beat Ascended/Powerful beings such as them.

Daniel needs to find a way to ascend again, and get help from Annubis and Oma. :)


In the episode 'Origin' (not sure if I should put in spoiler tags, so better safe then sorry) the Doci said that they would be building ships to invade this galaxy and launch, for lack of a better word on my part, an intergalactic crusade. And in this ep, Teal'c said that a gate that large could be used to transport large armadas and possibly even motherships (conjecture on my part).

I agree (at least partially) that we are definitely gonna need some kind of Ancient help against these guys ( no spoilers for 'the Fourth Horseman', please). We had enough trouble fighting Anubis, and he wasn't even completely Ascended anymore! Plus, he was limited in what he was allowed to do. The Orii are not limited by anything in their own galaxy, so they can build anything they want and send anybody they want with whatever powers they want.

And this was just gonna be a small little comment. :cool: