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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 313</FONT>
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SG-1 must escape a hellish prison moon, and one of their worst enemies.

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ReplicatorX
May 7th, 2004, 05:47 AM
Excellent episode, Sokar really was a very nicely done up character, the only thing I hate is that he wasn't around for longer. And something that I wasn't suspecting was at the end of Part 1, when Apophis revealed himself, just brilliant.

This epside (along with Part 1, Jolinar's Memories) goes in to my list of favourite episodes.

elhSG1
May 7th, 2004, 09:02 AM
I agree with everything you said. It is too bad Sokar couldn't be around a bit longer, I think they could have done some more really good episodes with him. This one and Jolinar's Memories are probably my 2 favorite episodes from Season 3.

Boomer359
May 24th, 2004, 12:20 PM
Soakr's Jaffa are quite unique looking. Do we ever see them with their helmet's up?

As for the episode, the idea that the Tok'ra could destroy a moon but couldn't penetrate of Goa'ould mothership's shields seems a little off. I do, however, dig the idea of destroying an entire celestial body just to get at one ship. I'm a fan of overkill.

Happy Fun Ball
May 24th, 2004, 02:53 PM
It's not as much as destroying a star and several planets in order to take out a few ships.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:02 PM
The dead goa'uld returns

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Poor Jacob

SeaBee
July 20th, 2004, 03:03 PM
I didn't really want to see Apophis return. I felt really sorry for the host when his mind broke through, and couldn't help thinking about him. It must be terrible to have to return to the nightmare again.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:02 PM
It was very creative how he came back though.

Ilios
July 26th, 2004, 06:03 PM
It was very creative how he came back though.

I agree, it was probably the most interesting return throughout the series... just the whole situation and all.

Ramne
August 10th, 2004, 07:04 PM
I loved the whole look and feel of these 2 episodes. Very well done.

Wyrminarrd
August 15th, 2004, 09:48 PM
Yeah, Sokar was a great villian and in all regards a better one then many we have today. It was just nice to have a snake that went with something other then egyptian lore.

To kill him off just to bring Apopquiz back seemed like a terrible wast of a great concept.

Anubis
August 16th, 2004, 12:55 AM
Yeah, Sokar was a great villian and in all regards a better one then many we have today. It was just nice to have a snake that went with something other then egyptian lore.

To kill him off just to bring Apopquiz back seemed like a terrible wast of a great concept.



Killing Sokar off was a bit too quick for me, as you said just to bring Apophis back, I'd rather keep Sokar. And his hideout/lair place was great also, volcano caves!

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 12:16 PM
I do have to agree (partly). I do think that they did kill off Sokar too quickly. And if they were to kill him early in his career, why couldn't they have made in a way that he could be revived in a Sarcophogus? But I was happy that they brought back Apophis. Not for nothing, but he is just a better villain because he's a more personal villain for most of the members of Sg-1.

Jack: He took Ska'ra and made him a host for his son, Klor'el.
Daniel: He took Sha're and made him host for his queen.
Teal'c: First prime of Apophis, he has the most personal ties with this false god.
Sam doesn't really have any personal ties with Apophis, so she doesn't really count. :cool:

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
October 21st, 2004, 06:21 PM
Great episode! One of my favorites along with "Jolinar's memories". I was so surprised when Apophis took off that mask :eek:! It was so unexpected! And it was also nice to go into the characters' minds as well. It was all really good! I wish it hadn't been so easy to finish off Sokar. He was too powerfull a Goa'uld to go like that.

LMichelle
November 5th, 2004, 04:02 PM
Liked both of the episodes. Loved it when Daniel told Apophis Ammonet was dead. :p It would have been better if Sha're had been used in Daniel's memories and not Jack to try and get the location of the child.

Lisa Michelle

Vapor
November 6th, 2004, 10:40 AM
As soon as he said "My true name is..." (or something) I just suddenly said to myself "Apophis!" Whatta ya know, I was right! :D

I agree with everyone else- Sokar died way to quickly. It's interesting that, after all that, Apophis just keeps on tickin, but I was really digging Sokar. He looked great.

I just knew Teal'c was going to punch that Tok'ra guy out at some point. :)

Daniel's_twin
November 6th, 2004, 03:54 PM
Great or creepy? Don't answer, I think I can figure that out. I also think they gave him a great look, especially since he was playng the role of Satan.

Oh, and the quote that I think you're looking for is: (spoiler: highlight to read)"You will call me Nayonak no longer. From this day forth, I reclaim my true name. *lifts helmet* Apophis." I think that was so well-done. :cool:

Lord Zedd
November 7th, 2004, 02:44 AM
Great or creepy? Don't answer, I think I can figure that out. I also think they gave him a great look, especially since he was playng the role of Satan.

Oh, and the quote that I think you're looking for is: (spoiler: highlight to read)"You will call me Nayonak no longer. From this day forth, I reclaim my true name. *lifts helmet* Apophis." I think that was so well-done. :cool:
yeah and than you saw his own eye that glowed :eek: Apophis :eek: Than Jack:you do know we are not happy to see you. Apophis:your insulence sounds music to my ears Daniel:your wife is dead sorry to ruin your day :D

Lord Zedd
November 7th, 2004, 02:45 AM
yeah and than you saw his own eye that glowed Apophis Than Jack:you do know we are not happy to see you. Apophis:your insulence sounds music to my ears Daniel:your wife is dead sorry to ruin your day

Crazedwraith
November 7th, 2004, 04:45 AM
Soakr's Jaffa are quite unique looking. Do we ever see them with their helmet's up?

As for the episode, the idea that the Tok'ra could destroy a moon but couldn't penetrate of Goa'ould mothership's shields seems a little off. I do, however, dig the idea of destroying an entire celestial body just to get at one ship. I'm a fan of overkill.
Not really. the Tok'Ra dont have the pure power needed to destroy the moon either. It was chain reaction weapon. Not Direct Energy Transfer, thus the power requiremnts to start off the reaction are lower than that need to blast through a motherships shields.

Yu`
February 7th, 2005, 04:52 AM
Probably my fave episode of the series thus far (about to start Abyss in a minute) the rise of Apophis is done really well. He is by far the best villain this shows got IMO and i think its great this guy has the luck SG1 seems to have when it comes to cheating death all the time.

SmartFox
March 17th, 2005, 07:12 PM
I agree with everything you said. It is too bad Sokar couldn't be around a bit longer, I think they could have done some more really good episodes with him. This one and Jolinar's Memories are probably my 2 favorite episodes from Season 3.

Got to agree with you completly. Sokar is one of my favorite Goa'ulds. Just his apperance and his hell moon and his sweet looking jaffa.

Also very unexpected that Apophis returned. Atleast they didn't waste Sokar's death completly and salvaged it by bringing back Apophis. I still would of wanted Sokar to stick around for a bit though.

astrogeologist
March 22nd, 2005, 02:04 PM
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For Season 3's Jolinar's Memories and The Devil You Know...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemoriesrecalldevice.jpg
The Tokra memory recall device as they travel to Netu in the teltak.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemorieswithmartouf.jpg
Sam remembers (and feels) Jolinar's love for Martouf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinaristortured.jpg
Jolinar is tortured with the pain stick; Sam feels it 'realistically'!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemoriesnetudadbynar.jpg
Netu: They find Sam's father Jacob and then Sam meets Bynar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKbloodofsokar.jpg
Apophis and the Blood of Sokar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKmemoriesapophis.jpg
The Blood of Sokar and the memory recall device
- and Sam sees memories of just after her mother died.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKprison.jpg
Netu's prison, Sam looks after her father and speaks with Martouf
- telling him not to let them use Jolinar, or Sam, against him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKend.jpg
Final scenes. Sam, Jacob and Martouf in the cells of Netu.
Sam and Jacob on the teltak on the way home.
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RubyRed
April 4th, 2005, 08:59 PM
This episode was great. I have to say that the goa'ulds understimated us. they thought that sg1 were easy to break but they got a big surprice. i'm glad that they didn't spill the beans of course i knew they wouldn't they are the heroes of the show. i kind of spected more for the hell part. i thought i see more people suffering and more fires. i'ts like some of us latino say Yerba mala nunca muere(Bad grass never seems to die) and with apophis coming back to power it's actually proven. I love sg1 genious they can out of any situation it doesn't matter how bad is it. i love this team.

QuiGonJohn
May 9th, 2005, 06:48 AM
I enjoyed this episode. Although things didn't play out as I had expected from Jolinar's Memories. I thought with Naonek(Apohpis) killing Bynar, that Apophis and SG-1 were going to make some sort of deal to help each other get out of there. Apophis would get to defeat Sokar and SG-1 would be allowed to leave. Thus a deal with "The Devil You Know". Still was good though.
Sokar seems patterned after, or gets a lot of traits from the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.

Daniel's_twin
May 9th, 2005, 08:44 AM
Only Sokar's prettier. :cool:

jckfan55
May 25th, 2005, 04:29 PM
I loved the attention to detail in Sam's hallucination--there was an astronaut doll (Matt Mason?) on the shelf behind her.

Jump237
May 25th, 2005, 07:07 PM
the guy playing Sokar looked like the Emperor with a nose job

zats
July 13th, 2005, 03:36 PM
I loved the attention to detail in Sam's hallucination--there was an astronaut doll (Matt Mason?) on the shelf behind her.
You're right, there is, visible here (http://www.stargatefan.com/episodes3/0313/images/052.jpg).

Perriman33
August 10th, 2005, 10:26 AM
This was a brilliant two-parter from the sam/jolinar and martouf relationship to the sam and selmak/dad bit. It was good to see the Tokra in action and a new Goa'uld (although he didn't last long..shame),teal'c was great in standing up to that tokra guy and managing to rescue the team.And apophis popping up was hilarious. I loved Sokar and his image (including the jaffa).
The only bit that annoys me is sokar like all the other system lords that according to daniel have been around for millenia get ass-whupped in afew minutes as soon as SG1 turn up. The poor devil (no pun intended) has been silently gathering his forces for years after being banished by the other system lords. Just as he's getting the upper hand, SG1 (with a little help from apophis) splat him. :rolleyes:

Qasim
August 10th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Good point

Daniel's_twin
August 10th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Uh, hello? This is a TV show. They have to make the heroes kick bad-guy butt in the hardest way! And at least Sokar went out with a bang! (Oooh, sorry. No pun intended) :cool:

zats
August 11th, 2005, 07:02 PM
<snipped>(Oooh, sorry. No pun intended) :cool:
Uh-huh, suuuuuure.

:p

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 02:41 AM
Great End to the two parter a better ending would have been not seeing Apophis, leaving a mystery for the next time we see him, would have got everyone more eager to know who escaped Natu, shame Sokar had to go!

Ascendant
September 8th, 2005, 08:53 PM
This two-parter was the peak of Season 3. I love the part where Teal'c is being chased by the death gliders and he manages to intercept the matter stream at exactly the right time. The sets on Natu and Sokar's homeworld are amazing. They're so very lush and intricate. Between the sets, the environment effects shots, and the lighting - at any one time, at least half of the screen is black and the other half is red - these are among the most visually distinctive episodes there are.

The only thing I kind of have a problem with is that Apophis is alive. Still. His previous episode was a great send-off, but Martouf just HAD to say that Sokar had a sarcophagus. Oh well, the way that he came back made it almost worth it - literally leading the armies of Hell. And he almost seems happy to see his good buddies SG-1...in a cruel, sadistic way of course."Your insolence is music to my ears!"

Sokar was intriguing too. It's a pity they killed him. But it destroying a moon to take out his ship - what a way to go! Any episode where they blow up a celestial body is A-OK in my book.

Tezzador
September 8th, 2005, 11:27 PM
But it's funny that Apophis just gained control of Sokar's army like that. I mean like Sokar's forces just listened to Apophis when he took control? They should have known Apophis was his enemy.

Ascendant
September 9th, 2005, 02:06 AM
I dunno...Jaffa seem to owe their loyalty to their god rather the cause he fights for. Once he's dead, they're all kinda like "now what?". It was also common practice in ancient times to absorb the army of the nation you defeat.

You bring up an interesting question, though. If gods aren't supposed to be able to die, wouldn't Sokar's destruction cause a massive spiritual crisis among all the Jaffa who heard about it? Wouldn't all of the Jaffa Apophis absorbed be in denial that their god is dead?

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 08:02 PM
One of the best episodes of season 3...........even better than Jolinar's Memories

Perriman33
September 15th, 2005, 11:22 PM
I dunno...Jaffa seem to owe their loyalty to their god rather the cause he fights for. Once he's dead, they're all kinda like "now what?". It was also common practice in ancient times to absorb the army of the nation you defeat.

You bring up an interesting question, though. If gods aren't supposed to be able to die, wouldn't Sokar's destruction cause a massive spiritual crisis among all the Jaffa who heard about it? Wouldn't all of the Jaffa Apophis absorbed be in denial that their god is dead?

You would think the jaffa would know by now that their gods are mortal. I can imagine alot of jaffa have had to change god's as their deity is whupassed by SG1. And as for apophis's jaffa ...well lets just say they must be confused, is he or isn't he dead this time? :rolleyes:

Peteo
October 17th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Just rewatched this episode and I must say it reclaimed the number one position in my "best of SG-1" list! This is truly the best episode ever even though I hate how they killed Sokar just when we get to know him. I agree with some people that he would have been an even cooler villain than Apophis, but Apophis still rules of course. This is just so unbeliveably brilliant episode and two parter that I cannot find words to describe how good it is. ;)
I hope this one wins the best episode tournament. At least this one should be up there with episodes like "The Fifth Race" and "Window of Opportunity".

solar wind
February 2nd, 2006, 09:50 PM
When Daniel was reviving Jack after his torture, was I correct in hearing Jack grumble "I dont want to go to school." I thought that was so funny!

captain jake
May 12th, 2006, 08:16 PM
Haha repressed memorys of how much he probably hated school.

desert fox
June 13th, 2006, 03:30 AM
I absolutely agree that Sokar was underused. We barely know him. I expected a little fight between Sokar's Red Jaffa ( they were cool in red ! ) and SG-1/Tok'Ra. Still very good epsode. More confrontration and interaction between Apophis and SG-1 members , destruction of Nuti moon all very impressive. At the end while Apophis looking to sky , remains of Nuti and Sokar's mothership , he is probably thinking "You shall pay for this ! At the end I became Satan !"

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 09:23 PM
yeah rofl but apophis HAD a big fleet and army

Callista
November 12th, 2006, 05:42 PM
I just rewatched this one and I could swear that was Peter Deluise shouting "Sokar is attacking!!!" in the background.

tagger
December 26th, 2006, 09:42 PM
Just rewatched the episode duo - Jolinar's Memories and Devil You Know. I forgot what good episodes they were, didn't recognize the writers - different from usual writers, I think. Great episodes, well paced, well directed, enjoyable. No slow bits.

My only problems were Apophis being there - how many videos have we seen him die in now? And, how did Teal'cs ship escape the moon explosion and not Sokars'. Sokar had more time, he was notified before Tealc caught the matter stream... Anyway, not really a big deal, just questions that came to mind as I watched.:)

.jolinar.
December 27th, 2006, 08:17 AM
Sokar's Hat'tak was larger and less manuverabule than Teal'c's Tel'tak. Also it is possible that the Hat'tak's engines were unactive unlike the Tel'tak's.

Harlan's Speechwriter
June 4th, 2007, 12:00 PM
I've just seen this episode for the first time (I've only just discovered Stargate and don't have Sky, so it's taking me a while to plough through the DVDs). It's very powerful, once again some great acting, especially from AT an RDA.

I agree with others on this thread that Sokra was a bit underused. He'd had a big build up, and seemed like a great nemisis, only to be killed off quickly.

I'm also wondering about the affect blowing up the moon had on other planets in the vacinity; it could really have screwed up someone's tides and gravity, not to mention any nearby planets being it by big chunks of debris.

First
June 12th, 2007, 08:14 PM
I'm also wondering about the affect blowing up the moon had on other planets in the vacinity; it could really have screwed up someone's tides and gravity, not to mention any nearby planets being it by big chunks of debris.

Very good point! I don't think they considered the billions of tonnes of moonrock and molten core raining down on Delmak! Due to Delmak's gravity, much of the mass of the moon would end up raining down on Delmak. More mass and gravity for Delmak. No more tides, thick dust through the atmosphere......ice age?

Imagine if our moon exploded!

Harlan's Speechwriter
June 15th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Very good point! I don't think they considered the billions of tonnes of moonrock and molten core raining down on Delmak! Due to Delmak's gravity, much of the mass of the moon would end up raining down on Delmak. More mass and gravity for Delmak. No more tides, thick dust through the atmosphere......ice age?

Imagine if our moon exploded!

Hmmm... Bet the weather forecast on Delmak was interesting after the explosion! ;)

chevron3
January 4th, 2008, 05:00 PM
i agree with everyone who said sokar was hardly used, but oh well @ least apophis lives!

Crichiel
January 20th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Really? This is a favourite of people's?...Really?? I just don't see it. But then, Sam isn't one of my favourites, so just want to skip over all the Sam/Martouf/Jolinar stuff. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Sam as part of the team, or even with any one of the other team members. I think she brings so much to the show and wouldn't want her gone, but I just don't like the Sam-centric episodes. I feel the same way about Teal'c (don't hurt me anyone!!). Also, I just thought this ep was kind of drawn-out. Doesn't help that I watched the first nine seasons of Stargate all out of order within five weeks or so, so Apophis being alive didn't surprise me. It just made me forget what season I was in! I DO agree the sets were amazing. I did think there were a few good scenes in here, and the ever-popular classic O'Neill quips, but I just wasn't that impressed. I see it and say...meh.

Ozzy O'NeiLL
January 20th, 2008, 06:12 PM
Very good point! I don't think they considered the billions of tonnes of moonrock and molten core raining down on Delmak! Due to Delmak's gravity, much of the mass of the moon would end up raining down on Delmak. More mass and gravity for Delmak. No more tides, thick dust through the atmosphere......ice age?

Imagine if our moon exploded!

Hell, it would cure the werewolf problem...

And tides suck.

Seriously though, it was one of those half-assed Tok'ra plans. But then it was Sam only a few eps later blowing up a friggin SUN.

Sun >>> moon.

What's the cliché here? Desparate times call for desparate measures? ^^


FTR, I really liked the whole concept of Sokar, and his portrayal wasn't too bad but he was just severely underused. Imo they really took the whole badass mother goa'uld thing to the next level with Anubis. Anubis > Sokar.

BDanya
February 26th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Did anyone notice that while Apophis is questioning Jack that Jack's mouth is covered? How could Jack possibly say anything?

Teddybrown
March 26th, 2008, 01:19 AM
Was good to see apophis back
Wish we could see more of Sokar though
Few more episodes with him in would have been good
But he got blown up in the Netu explosion and now Apophis has his army
Apophis is now a stronger than ever with Sokars army
Should we expect an attack on Earth? Or will he try to get an even bigger army? Or try to take out someone else? eg Tokra

SGAtlantisP60
April 17th, 2008, 11:50 AM
i liked this episode and its one of my favorites...Its kinda messed up that they kill hypothesis once and then he came back and took over Socars fleet and armies. frogive the spelling

RobertF
June 1st, 2008, 08:26 PM
Great two-parter adventure! You can't go wrong with an episode where SG1 has to rescue a prisoner from an impenetrable fortress and then escape.

Loved Bynar's infected eye socket, with the yellow puss seeping out. I think this is the first Stargate episode I've seen where a Goa'uld system lord has another Goa'uld serving under him. I'm still a little confused why Jolinar slept with Bynar, rather than just hit him over the head and steal the transporter key. Hmmm . . . she seemed to be kissing Bynar quite passionately in Sam's flashbacks. Sort of creepy.

One detail I enjoyed - the outside shots of the city on Delmak showed automobile traffic zipping along on the roads below. I guess it makes sense that even on Goa'uld worlds there would be (hellish?) traffic, and people working 9 to 5 shifts, even if you are living on a world where your leader styles himself after Satan. I wonder if Sokar's lieutenants in the crazy costumes had to commute in from the suburbs every day. Wow, what a job that would be!

Agreed that Sokar was under-utilized. I'm curious how Sokar amassed such a huge fleet, powerful enough to defeat all the other Goa'uld. I think Sokar needed more bodyguards in his throne room - it was too easy for Apophis to kill his lieutenants and escape.

Apophis needs to take Torture 101. All he did was probe SG1's memories with the Tok'ra device. And when they didn't talk, he just threw them back into their cell. No wonder nobody talked. Whatever happened to tearing out fingernails or pulling teeth? Not that I wanted to see my favorite characters being tortured, but Apophis is supposed to be ruthless, isn't he? Delving into the character's memories wasn't too suspenseful. It was more like Apophis the pop psychologist than Apophis the evil Goa'uld. :)

me_urgo
June 30th, 2008, 10:23 AM
I liked this two-parter, especially because of the crazy ideas put into action. That blood of Sokar must have been very weak since none of those who were interrogated gave in. Apophis was really overconfident and may i add naive to think he actually got any useful information from our guys. The Tok'ra are really suicidal maniacs and Teal'c had every reason to lock that guy up. What else?! Even if Apophis is the first and one of the most long lasting bad guys, he seems a bit soft (even after what he did on Chulak - see Maternal Instinct). Blowing up the moon was brilliant and the layout of Delmak was really well-done. God bless special effects :sam:

off-topic: too many bad guys drop dead like flies without too much resistance. It gets annoying in time

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 05:32 PM
I liked this two-parter, especially because of the crazy ideas put into action. That blood of Sokar must have been very weak since none of those who were interrogated gave in. Apophis was really overconfident and may i add naive to think he actually got any useful information from our guys. The Tok'ra are really suicidal maniacs and Teal'c had every reason to lock that guy up. What else?! Even if Apophis is the first and one of the most long lasting bad guys, he seems a bit soft (even after what he did on Chulak - see Maternal Instinct). Blowing up the moon was brilliant and the layout of Delmak was really well-done. God bless special effects :sam:

off-topic: too many bad guys drop dead like flies without too much resistance. It gets annoying in time

Well I'm sure that the blood of Sokar would work on the minds of lesser mortals. However, this wasn't any normal group of people, I also put forward that Apophis was experimenting with the memory recall device accompanied by the blood of Sokar. In my opinion he was desperate so instead of torturing them he messed around with some alternate methods. I totally agree Delamk was an awesome planet especially at the end when you see Apophis with two mother ships in the background.

Well in a way the fact that they all don't survive every skirmish makes the bad guys who do look awesome.

HelloVelo
July 4th, 2008, 10:58 PM
That was one "hell" of an episode. Sorry, I can't help it.

My Rating: 10/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/devil-you-know.html

captain jake
July 5th, 2008, 02:07 AM
That was one "hell" of an episode. Sorry, I can't help it.

My Rating: 10/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/devil-you-know.html

It was good, but I wouldn't go as far as to give it a 10 out of 10.

L E E
July 8th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Great episode. But I do hope Sokar is not dead yet. I can just imagine the SG1 caught in between the war between goauld system lords like Sokar and Apophis.

pritnep
August 21st, 2008, 09:51 PM
It was an awesome two parter.

Maybe a little slow because of the interrogation/flashbacks but otherwise pretty cool.

Lee you would already know this by now but Apophis was the only one who ringed off Sokar's ship so he is dead.

Apophis killing Sokar's two men was pretty cool.

Overall an excellent episode. :D

APOPHIStheGREAT
September 1st, 2008, 01:11 AM
Defiantly a great episode, the villian returns back to the top after losing all his power thanks to sg1. this episode just wasnt about how apophis rose back to power but how he was able to thanks to sg1 and the tokra. season 3 is probably the best season without a doubt

Black_Sheep
September 4th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Great episode indeed. It was cool to see Apophis doing something else than just talking (he killed Sokar and he's guards in a pretty cool way). Also the explosion at the end was awesome :D

balo
February 18th, 2009, 09:13 AM
This was a great two parter !

I wish we could see more of Sokar , maybe he will return later ?

Im a bit tired of Apophis returning from the dead, after all we watched his painful death a few episodes ago....

Rating: 9 / 10

gateship15
February 21st, 2009, 09:19 PM
this was an good episode not one of my fave


5/10

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 02:19 PM
teal'c is an amazing pilot haha :D i think that sokar's jaffa have the most amazing armour though. great two parter!

Ulkesh47
March 4th, 2009, 02:37 PM
i think that sokar's jaffa have the most amazing armour though.
I love the Necropolis armor, especially when Jack, Carter, and Daniel kick some Necropolis a** in "Upgrades"!!!

Pic
March 20th, 2009, 06:24 PM
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/Pic-CollSwan/SGM/03X13-05.png
All I could think was that Apophis was getting recruited by the flying dudes in the Flash Gordon series... (not the original campy stuff from the 1930's, but the 80s version of campy)

Am I alone in this?


http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/Pic-CollSwan/SGM/03X13-06.png
This must be Lorne's brother. Tok'ra Lorne.

The Stig
April 25th, 2009, 02:01 PM
This is one of my top 5 eps. The only bad thing was the death of Sokar. he was so underused its sad.

drewandian
June 10th, 2009, 09:29 PM
i just rewatched this episode tonight and can't believe i had forgotten about it...it's currently my favorite....



It's very powerful, once again some great acting, especially from AT an RDA.

I agree...they were amazing, as was JR Bourne...when they brought Sam in and Apophis threatens to kill her unless Martouf gives up the info....wow....


there was one thing that bothered me though...when Apophis' new first prime questions how Apophis plans to kill Sokar and points out that Sokar won't let weapons on his ship, Apophis says something about having been planning this takeover since he got there....but wasn't he kinda, um, i dunno, dead when he first got there? or did Sokar revive him in a sarc on a ship or something and THEN send him to Ne'tu?:confused:

suse
June 10th, 2009, 10:10 PM
i just rewatched this episode tonight and can't believe i had forgotten about it...it's currently my favorite....




I agree...they were amazing, as was JR Bourne...when they brought Sam in and Apophis threatens to kill her unless Martouf gives up the info....wow....


there was one thing that bothered me though...when Apophis' new first prime questions how Apophis plans to kill Sokar and points out that Sokar won't let weapons on his ship, Apophis says something about having been planning this takeover since he got there....but wasn't he kinda, um, i dunno, dead when he first got there? or did Sokar revive him in a sarc on a ship or something and THEN send him to Ne'tu?:confused:


:D Goa-uld psychology suggests Sokar revived him to rub it in before sending him to Ne'tu. ;) imo

This was a cool ep.

suse

drewandian
June 11th, 2009, 04:04 AM
:D Goa-uld psychology suggests Sokar revived him to rub it in before sending him to Ne'tu. ;) imo

This was a cool ep.

suse

ok...yeah...now it makes more sense, i hadn't thought of that!

Blackadder
July 16th, 2009, 02:58 AM
I think this was a very good episode, but as most of you have mentioned, I think Sokar should have stayed on for a bit longer. Also I'm growing a bit tired of having Apophis as the main enemy... ;)

And why do the bad guys never learn from their mistakes?

Ulkesh47
July 16th, 2009, 09:45 AM
And why do the bad guys never learn from their mistakes?
'Cause they're Goa'ulds. ;)

rushy
November 24th, 2009, 03:40 AM
i so much hate Apophis.I'll put up another party when he really dies.

mrscopterdoc
March 9th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Very good episode. Season 3 is my favorite so far.

asdf1239
March 30th, 2010, 06:47 PM
love the part where apophis is stalling because he didnt get squat out of the interrogation

Morrissey
April 17th, 2010, 06:08 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this and Jolinar's Memories should have been the Season 3 finale/Season 4 opener? I think Apophis returning at the end of Jolinar's Memories would have been a fantastic way to end the season, and then opening up Season 4 with The Devil You May Know. I think that would have been a better way to end the season and open season 4 than with the introduction of the Replicators. Don't get me wrong, the introduction of the Replicators was vital, but surely Nemesis/Small Victories could have been the mid-season two parter, making Jolinar's Memories the finale, which would have been much more fitting in my eyes.

Great episode for me, loved it :) My one problem is they killed off Sokar, far too soon :/ I mean, this guy was badass, renegade Goa'uld, who had taken on the persona of Satin, and who all the other Goa'uld feared. He should have been one of the ultimate bad guys in the series!

But all in all, loved the episode :)

maneth
August 25th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Yeah, they did kill off Sokar a bit too soon, but I loved the ep anyway. Great wry humor from O'Neill.

FrodoFraggins
March 31st, 2011, 04:21 PM
8.5/10

I thought part 2 was much weaker than the first part. The lack of defenses around Sokars ship, until after Teal'c flies off and yet another last second rescue brought it down for me.

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 11th, 2011, 06:22 AM
This is on par with the first part. I don't think it strives to be bigger or more epic, and settles for just letting the story conclude. Sokar turned out to be nothing much after all the build up. Apophis is his usual uninteresting and cliched self. The most entertaining part of the story is probably Teal'c's little adventure with the Tok'ra.

The forced memory scenes are the weakest part of the episode, mostly because their cheese factor is just too much to take, and the show had done a great job of moving away from that. The kid who played Charley was kind of creepy, and the silly editing is just annoying more than anything.

I thought the fact that Jack gets badly hurt finally goes to show that he runs his mouth of a bit too often! There are times when his sarcastic one-liners become a bit too expected of him, and he needs to calm down once in a while. Overall, this episode was a bit too over-the-top in places but for the wrong reasons. There is no real spectacle, and even the set design which was impressive in the first part, doesn't feel quite as wonderful here. Notably, the scene with Apophis talking to the gathered crowds was puny.

RATING: 7 out of 10

Krisz
October 15th, 2011, 12:00 PM
I watched this episode straight after pt 1 and I wasn't sure which part I was in ( like all the characters under the influence of the 'blood of Sokar'!) when writing my views on this episode. Most of the things I posted in the first part belonged to this one! Maybe I shouldn't post my views of episodes when I'm tired and dozing off! :o

I agree about Sokar being taken out of the picture before we even had a chance to think..... hey,a pretty cool bad guy, playing Satan no less! I suppose they made up for it with Anubis later on.

Loved the scene of Sam back in the '80's, I had a dress similar to the one she was wearing!!! :eek:

Still wondering how they got out of the 'pit' after blowing the grate off, with a barely conscious Jacob, and injured O'Neill, given the height from which they fell when they were thrown in!!! Made the ending feel very rushed.

dtheories
October 16th, 2011, 06:57 PM
The secrets of Earth and the Tok'ra hang in the balance during Apophis' fight for freedom. High stakes! And the swift editing between plot elements (quiet Sam/Martouf moment to Jack/Charlie hallucination to Teal'c pleading with the Tok'ra then back again certainly kept my attention.

Crafts were really good...background art and makeup made you feel the smothering heat. But I did feel the most pain for Jack's knees more than in any other ep. Daniel tying off the staff blast wound and Pop's First Prime whacking his injury to force the Blood of Sokar down his throat really made me cringe.

Seeing Sam's Major Matt Mason doll in the background during her hallucination sequence at home plus the last line when Jacob, after escaping Hell, asks Sam whether she has any leave coming up really show the true humor of the writers.
"Daniel...I'm gonna pass out now."

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 18th, 2011, 12:19 AM
I didn't like this ep as much as I did the first part.

Sad to see Sokar go so early.

Jae'a
October 19th, 2011, 05:45 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/15718.html)
Great two-parter. :)

mathpiglet
October 19th, 2011, 07:49 AM
I didn't like this ep as much as I did the first part.

Sad to see Sokar go so early.

I agree. I liked the first part better too.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 19th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Pretty good conclusion to this 2-parter.

So, now Apophis is now at version 2.0, with the patches near his eye. And this is the last we see of him until the back half of next season.

Like with part 1, there's something that bugs me with some the CG sequences.

Tomorrow, the SGC has a "Foothold" situation from aliens that only appear in this episode..

Matt G
October 20th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Back to 5pm for another ep of SG1.

1. "Well, we're not too pleased to see you again...".

2. Blood of Sokar...not a bad idea but it didn't work...

3. Tok'ra...ouch...

4. So Sokar went from main bad guy to history in two eps at the hands of a guy we'd previously thought 'was' history! Impressive!

SG1Member
October 20th, 2011, 06:35 PM
My favorite part of this episode was Teal'c confronting Aldwin about rescuing SG-1. No one messes with Teal'c when his friends are in danger!

SG3Marine
October 21st, 2011, 09:25 AM
Both were great episodes, and I agree with the majority here. Sokar should have stayed around for a while longer.

SaraBahama
October 22nd, 2011, 08:07 PM
I thought the actor that played Sokar did a great job -and the makeup was fantastic. He seemed quite young for such a vicious old Goa'uld. The eyes were chilling.

After the reveal that it is really Apophis, we get a great Daniel line:
"Your mate, Amaunet, is dead. Sorry to ruin your day," (defiantly petulant), "No, actually, I'm—I'm wrong about that. I'm not sorry."

Jack trying to keep Kintac from taking Sam to Apophis -and getting shot in the leg for his trouble.

I thought we got a little deeper info out of Sam's flashback -about her mom's death and how that affected her relationship with her father. I also really liked the interaction between Sam and Jacob later in the ep -she's begging him not to give up and a tear rolls down her face, and later she has him reclining on her with her hands loosely around his neck and shoulders. Dad/daughter time.

The flashbacks for Jack give additional gut-twists to those who have already become familiar with his loss. The idea that the memory is not exact...that Jack has altered it to cope with his pain:

CHARLIE: This is not what happened, Dad. You're changing everything just to make it better.
O'NEILL: I know. Can't we just play catch?
CHARLIE: What really happened is you got mad at me and I went into the house. Two weeks from now I shot myself with your gun. We never played catch today, and we never will.
O'NEILL: Why? Why can't we just play catch?

Jack's "I know" is broken and forlorn in its own way. He knows that he's shielding himself with the altered memory. Heart-wrenching to live with that. Remember that in CotG he said that "I'll never forgive myself, but sometimes I can forget. Sometimes."

Teal'c's dedication to his friends should be mentioned -admirable.

Sokar was eliminated too easily -it would have been nice to keep the threat around.

garhkal
October 22nd, 2011, 08:25 PM
2. Blood of Sokar...not a bad idea but it didn't work...


That reminded me of that blood drink they used in Indy and the temple of doom..

jelgate
October 22nd, 2011, 09:26 PM
The lets torture SG1 episode. I love it just because it gave an edge to Apophis. It was something he lacked in the earlier seasons. Its like suffering in Netu made him more psychopath then his former self. It also showed the demons of SG1 which I think is important. Some were obvious while others were a little more eye opening. Also this episode gave us more of Sokar then the previous episode which just saddens his quick death. Sokar was so creppy even for a Goa'uld that it was a pain to see him go so suddenly. Far more interesting then battling Apophis.

Its almost a cliche to say Teal'c is suicidal. He always takes these death risks to save SG1. I liked it not only because it showed the different mentality between the Tokra and Tealc. Aldwin was all the mission while Tealc was driven on emotion. Plus I like seeing us learn how the rings work.

Starscape91
October 27th, 2011, 08:52 PM
I like the flashbacks in this episode and I wish Sokar got to stick around more unfortunately that doesn't happen.

Dimes
December 26th, 2011, 03:32 AM
Wow I hate those Goa'uld!
Felt bad for O'Neill, he had to watch his son and fight with him again :/

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 12:48 PM
[QUOTE=Morrissey;11419773]Am I the only one who thinks this and Jolinar's Memories should have been the Season 3 finale/Season 4 opener? I think Apophis returning at the end of Jolinar's Memories would have been a fantastic way to end the season, and then opening up Season 4 with The Devil You May Know. I think that would have been a better way to end the season and open season 4 than with the introduction of the Replicators. Don't get me wrong, the introduction of the Replicators was vital, but surely Nemesis/Small Victories could have been the mid-season two parter, making Jolinar's Memories the finale, which would have been much more fitting in my eyes.

[QUOTE]

:indeed:

Parts of it felt a bit too much like 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom', though. Especially the drinking blood bit (YUCK!) and the lava-ish atmosphere...

But yes, a good episode.

garhkal
July 29th, 2012, 02:51 PM
I liked that it harkened back with those 2 aspects to the Temple of Doom..

Major Clanger
March 29th, 2013, 08:49 AM
not a bad ep. For me these two eps are the beginning of a run of really good eps, going all the way into the middle of S4

Falcon Horus
June 5th, 2013, 04:44 AM
Action packed this one is. And I love it, except for the Tok'ra... them I want to strangle so badly. Like Teal'c would ever agree to SG1 being casualties of war. Think again, Aldwin you fool.

Apophis going up against Sokar... he did look a little peeved when he realized Martouf had lied to him about Entak. :p Woops!
Sokar looks creepy... but he does look cool nonetheless. Far more impressive than Apophis ever looked. And he ain't no vision anymore.

Sparky She-Demon
September 3rd, 2013, 08:03 AM
Shouldn't Apophis know that the Tok'ra are expert liars?

Falcon Horus
September 3rd, 2013, 08:17 AM
Shouldn't Apophis know that the Tok'ra are expert liars?

At that point he's convinced he's got Martouf in a bind. Blinded by power he's probably ignoring that voice in the back of his head (the host's or otherwise) telling him to be careful.

Sparky She-Demon
September 3rd, 2013, 09:07 AM
At that point he's convinced he's got Martouf in a bind. Blinded by power he's probably ignoring that voice in the back of his head (the host's or otherwise) telling him to be careful.

The Blood of Sokar is a hallucinogen, near as I can tell. Why do you think that Apophis didn't go after Jacob?

Falcon Horus
September 3rd, 2013, 09:23 AM
Possible explanation... Apophis was obsessed with SG1. I think that's pretty explanatory all on itself. :p However, in this case he was more after what Carter knew from Jolinar's memories to use that to get to Sokar, than that he was interested in anything else. Besides Jakob had already been pulled through the mangle by Sokar's request... Maybe Apophis hoped to learn something new from his old friends, something he could use to rise back to the powerful and respected Goa'uld he used to be before ending up Sokar's "care". He obviously had his own agenda.

Sparky She-Demon
September 3rd, 2013, 09:33 AM
Doesn't he always have his own agenda?

Falcon Horus
September 3rd, 2013, 12:16 PM
Doesn't he always have his own agenda?

He's a Goa'uld. :p

Sparky She-Demon
September 3rd, 2013, 12:32 PM
He's a Goa'uld. :p

Need we say any more?

Falcon Horus
September 3rd, 2013, 01:00 PM
Need we say any more?

Nope, that pretty much closes the case. :p

Sparky She-Demon
September 3rd, 2013, 01:51 PM
Nope, that pretty much closes the case. :p

This and "Jolinar's Memories" are my favorite Season 3 episodes.

garhkal
September 6th, 2013, 10:38 AM
The Blood of Sokar is a hallucinogen, near as I can tell. Why do you think that Apophis didn't go after Jacob?

Maybe they went to one of our states that has "Shroom festivals"

Sparky She-Demon
September 9th, 2013, 04:19 PM
Maybe they went to one of our states that has "Shroom festivals"

That's one potent hallucinogen!

hedwig
September 9th, 2013, 07:02 PM
The Blood of Sokar is a hallucinogen, near as I can tell. Why do you think that Apophis didn't go after Jacob?

Probably because he had already tried it before SG1 arrived on the scene, and we just didn't get to see it. :)

Sparky She-Demon
September 10th, 2013, 07:52 AM
Probably because he had already tried it before SG1 arrived on the scene, and we just didn't get to see it. :)

Sounds about right. :)

Sparky She-Demon
April 7th, 2014, 11:15 AM
Possible explanation... Apophis was obsessed with SG1. I think that's pretty explanatory all on itself. :p However, in this case he was more after what Carter knew from Jolinar's memories to use that to get to Sokar, than that he was interested in anything else. Besides Jakob had already been pulled through the mangle by Sokar's request... Maybe Apophis hoped to learn something new from his old friends, something he could use to rise back to the powerful and respected Goa'uld he used to be before ending up Sokar's "care". He obviously had his own agenda.

If he was so obsessed with SG-1, why did he go after Martouf?

Falcon Horus
April 7th, 2014, 11:27 AM
If he was so obsessed with SG-1, why did he go after Martouf?

Because Martouf is Tok'ra. That should be explanation enough. ;)

Sparky She-Demon
April 7th, 2014, 11:29 AM
Because Martouf is Tok'ra. That should be explanation enough. ;)

He could've interrogated Jacob for that purpose as well.

garhkal
April 7th, 2014, 02:14 PM
Plus it would hurt carter, to smack around her beau.

Sparky She-Demon
April 7th, 2014, 02:15 PM
Plus it would hurt carter, to smack around her beau.

Apophis would know that screwing with Jack would hurt Sam too!

hedwig
April 7th, 2014, 02:17 PM
Plus it would hurt carter, to smack around her beau.

If you're talking about Martouf being Carter's beau ... he was never her beau. And during the run of the series, neither was Jack. However, hurting either of them would have still caused Sam a lot of grief. Now, if he really wanted to cause her some grief, he could have gone after Jacob again ... with her watching.

Falcon Horus
April 7th, 2014, 02:23 PM
Now, if he really wanted to cause her some grief, he could have gone after Jacob again ... with her watching.

Apophis was clearly too chicken to go there. :p

Sparky She-Demon
April 7th, 2014, 02:31 PM
If you're talking about Martouf being Carter's beau ... he was never her beau. And during the run of the series, neither was Jack. However, hurting either of them would have still caused Sam a lot of grief. Now, if he really wanted to cause her some grief, he could have gone after Jacob again ... with her watching.

He could've gone for all three of them at the same time with Sam watching!

Falcon Horus
April 7th, 2014, 02:52 PM
That would have been overkill...

Sparky She-Demon
April 7th, 2014, 08:09 PM
That would have been overkill...

Goa'uld System Lord pretty much means that overkill is the name of the game! ;)

Falcon Horus
April 8th, 2014, 01:19 AM
True.

Britta
April 8th, 2014, 01:52 AM
Goa'uld System Lord pretty much means that overkill is the name of the game! ;)

If there's one thing the Goa'uld aren't known for, it's subtlety. Just look at the way they dress.

fems
April 8th, 2014, 03:47 AM
Apophis probably didn't really want to kill Jacob|Selmak (not before getting the information he wanted), hence why he didn't go after Jacob again with Sam watching, even though he (and all the other Goa'uld) magically know that Selmak's host is Sam's father.

Sparky She-Demon
May 20th, 2015, 06:05 PM
Goa'uld have their spies.

I Am Not James Spader
May 24th, 2015, 12:07 PM
I'm a bit a disappointed that after all the build up (and the fact that he was so different to the other Goa'uld "gods"), that Sokar was killed so easy, seemingly just to put Apophis back in the show.

Janet Fraiser
May 24th, 2015, 02:57 PM
I'm a bit a disappointed that after all the build up (and the fact that he was so different to the other Goa'uld "gods"), that Sokar was killed so easy, seemingly just to put Apophis back in the show.

Yeah, he would have been an interesting character to keep around. The music whenever we saw him was extra creepy, too!

This has nothing to do with Sokar, so it shouldn't be a spoiler, but just in case - the actor does return to play a different role in later seasons.

garhkal
May 25th, 2015, 01:39 PM
I agree. They spent all that time buliding up Sokar to have him get taken out like a chump.

I Am Not James Spader
May 26th, 2015, 12:50 AM
Yeah, he would have been an interesting character to keep around. The music whenever we saw him was extra creepy, too!

This has nothing to do with Sokar, so it shouldn't be a spoiler, but just in case - the actor does return to play a different role in later seasons.

Still though, Sokar brief appearance was more interesting than all of Apophis's previous ones - not criticising the character or actor as he was a decent enough villain (though little is explored of him except the episode where he dies first).

They don't even go to the effort of putting Apophis in a new host.

I Am Not James Spader
May 26th, 2015, 12:53 AM
I agree. They spent all that time buliding up Sokar to have him get taken out like a chump.


That itself wasn't really the problem - getting taken out like a "chump" would have been entertaining the same way as with Boba Fett. Disappointing, but entertaining.

The real problem is that he gets taken out to re-introduce the same old bad guy again.

Janet Fraiser
May 27th, 2015, 12:29 AM
Yep, I was ready for Apophis to be gone by the time he rose to power with his new zombie face.

Honestly, I felt so bad for his host that I wanted him to die right there in the infirmary (and, you know, stay dead) so that he wouldn't have to suffer. It might be sort of anticlimactic, but it would be more humane. I guess that's not too important, though. :/

I Am Not James Spader
May 27th, 2015, 02:07 AM
Yep, I was ready for Apophis to be gone by the time he rose to power with his new zombie face.

Honestly, I felt so bad for his host that I wanted him to die right there in the infirmary (and, you know, stay dead) so that he wouldn't have to suffer. It might be sort of anticlimactic, but it would be more humane. I guess that's not too important, though. :/

Agreed. The first death was great - a unique way to kill a villain and have the audience be sympathetic. I actually felt sad.

Now, they've nullified the all that with this episode and killed of the more interesting villain. :(

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 03:59 AM
Creepy two parter with violence, drugs and near-death characters we love. I personally don't care which of the bad ones die - they don't differ so much.

Late2theGate
March 14th, 2016, 12:46 AM
Pretty dark but very well done two-parter. I liked Part 2 a little more, for the interrogations and the escape.

Maybe Apophis gave up too quickly in his questioning but still proud of all SG1 for not giving up any information (and Martouf for giving false info).

One of my favorite little things that Daniel does that makes a huge difference, getting the communication device back. What's an extra punch in the face when it means helping get you and your team out alive? And I always laugh at his weak instigating punch :D

Always enjoy rewatching this one.

maneth
March 28th, 2016, 09:38 AM
The second part is certainly the better one of these two, but it was an interesting two-parter. The Blood of Sokar stuff was creepy. Horrid when you can't trust your own mind.

Anja
March 28th, 2016, 08:04 PM
Drugs as a means of interrogation - humans use it, aliens use it. CREEPY.

Nirude
May 18th, 2016, 02:20 AM
When I first saw this episode I was rather annoyed at how they just killed Sokar off like that. But the more SG-1 I watched I gradually understood... (spoilers if you haven't seen whole of SG-1..)

Anubis, played by the same actor, is pretty much Sokar and what the Sokar storyline arc would of been, only it's far cooler as Anubis is half-ascended and doesn't have guards in ridiculous Halloween costume armor. They took the devil theme a little too literally in my opinion, limiting the character.

Could you imagine if we had a few seasons more of Sokar followed by Anubis? It wouldn't of worked, they're far too similar in style. So everything worked out fine as is IMO.

Falcon Horus
January 27th, 2018, 11:10 AM
So, here we are, still on Ne'tu -- still in a boatload of trouble with all of them at the mercy of the new ad-interim Lord of Ne'tu, none other than our good friend Apophis. He looks a bit different -- wonder what happened to his face. Got a little too close to the fire, I'm guessing.

He takes the opportunity to reclaim his goodhood and to toy with the team's minds. They each get their 5 minute hallucination and that's all that really happens down below.

On Delmak, Sokar is plotting his evil plans to attack the System Lords and become Supreme Leader... I mean, Lord. Sokar looked creepy and yet so refined. Love the portrayal.

Raise your hand if you weren't the least bit surprised the Tok'ra chose the many over the few -- Aldwin should have known Teal'c wasn't going to cooperate without at least rescuing his friends first.

Anywho, in the end it all works out great. Sokar dead. The team escaped, and Apophis got what he wanted. His own dominion to rule, minus Ne'tu.

How would you rate SG-1's "The Devil You Know?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
January 29th, 2018, 11:08 AM
Honestly in this situation I would side with Aldwin. It may seem cold but 5 lives is not worth the billions that would be killed under Sokar. We see what happens like this later on with Anubis. But I'm getting ahead of myself. I do acknowledge that Tealc has a good point of we should destroy Netu but still risk life to save SG1

If I'm also being honest, this episode isn't as good as part 1. After the humerous boosting by Apophis I get a little bored with his torture on each member of SG1. Daniel and Jack's torture seems unneeded and a waste of time. It could of better been used to Teal'c's rescue. Despite this it's still a good.

EDIT: I also wish Sokar had stayed around longer. I would have liked to see more of his creepiness

Falcon Horus
February 23rd, 2018, 10:16 AM
It's that time of the week, where I post the 3-episode quiz and the jigsaw puzzles:

The Devil You Know, Foothold & Pretense (https://goo.gl/forms/HJJHk0j6TgJfidl62)

The Devil You Know (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=QUYPWKVJ)

The jigsaw took me a snail-time of 11 and 5 seconds.

jelgate
March 12th, 2018, 09:15 AM
8 minutes and 17 seconds

Amelius
April 9th, 2018, 01:46 AM
When I first saw this episode I was rather annoyed at how they just killed Sokar off like that. But the more SG-1 I watched I gradually understood... (spoilers if you haven't seen whole of SG-1..)

Anubis, played by the same actor, is pretty much Sokar and what the Sokar storyline arc would of been, only it's far cooler as Anubis is half-ascended and doesn't have guards in ridiculous Halloween costume armor. They took the devil theme a little too literally in my opinion, limiting the character.

Could you imagine if we had a few seasons more of Sokar followed by Anubis? It wouldn't of worked, they're far too similar in style. So everything worked out fine as is IMO.


I prefer to think that they are the same and that Anubis was just masquerading as Sokar. Sokar's host body was pretty messed up (very pale skin, bald, veins popping out etc) kinda like Anubis' hosts were messed up by him. Sokar managed to amass a huge fleet out of nowhere capable of conquering the Goa'uld. Their back stories are almost identical. The two of them are just too similar to be a coincidence.

I'm talking for the sake of making sense in-universe here. I know out of universe they're not supposed to be the same.

BethHG
June 24th, 2018, 04:59 PM
17:32

It's funny how Apophis gets out alive and Sokar gets blown up. It was a good episode. I love how Teal'c pushed Aldwin into the other room on the ship, and he got the team back. :).

Falcon Horus
June 25th, 2018, 12:09 PM
Because Sokar drew the short straw, and Apophis is like cockroach, hard to kill.

Even when you think -- NOW he's got have met his sticky ending. You can never be sure though. He's like the Daniel of the Goa'uld. :p

jelgate
June 25th, 2018, 12:54 PM
I wish it was the other way around. Sokar was one of the creepiest Goa'uld around

Falcon Horus
June 27th, 2018, 01:15 AM
I wish it was the other way around. Sokar was one of the creepiest Goa'uld around

He was magnificent. :sokar:

Who Knows
September 20th, 2018, 07:12 AM
14.56

hedwig
September 20th, 2018, 02:34 PM
13:55 and 14/15