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When Major Carter's father Jacob is kidnapped by Sokar, the SG-1 team must infiltrate a prison moon designed to look like hell to rescue him.

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jenniferhailey
May 3rd, 2004, 11:19 AM
This is one of Stargate's finest.

The acting is brilliant, especially from Tapping, Bourne, and Anderson.

I love the flashback scenes for Sam, and the Young Sam one. Torture is always a plus. Lots of angst, lots of drama. And some laughs in there too.

Christine Kennedy looks so much like Amanda, where did they find her? Clone. Must be a clone. Hmm.

And Dion Johnstone as Nao'nak. Yummy. Shame you don't see his face. But then it couldn't be

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Apophis.

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 02:20 AM
Torture is always a plus. Lots of angst, lots of drama.

I've never really liked torture scenes. I'm way too much of a wimp. I have bottled out of getting a tattoo so many times, because I hate the pain idea! :)

I agree that it was an excellent, well writen and acted ep., though.

gange57
July 10th, 2004, 08:45 PM
This is a great episode. One of my favorites.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:53 PM
Weird Sam/Jolinar and Martouf relationship.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Were the red guards in this episode... they are cool.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 07:11 PM
Sokar's use of the planet as Hell was a cool concept.

Asgard Buddy
August 18th, 2004, 05:46 AM
I liked the fact that we learned a little more about Jolinar, but it was pretty bad what she (and the others) had to go through on Sokar's planet.

Major Fischer
August 18th, 2004, 06:44 AM
It goes pretty far to explain Jolinar's charming personality during In the Line of Duty. Little Miss Sunshine she was not.

Baal_Lord
August 24th, 2004, 07:17 PM
I must say, sokars jaffa (later apophis' are really cool)! THey werent that plain greyish armor that all teh others wear

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
October 21st, 2004, 07:25 PM
One of the very best episodes! I love the concept of Ne'tu being modeled after hell but I though Jolinar made it out too easily. I loved the idea of Sam exploring Jolinar's memories and I love it throughout the series when she gets visions. I can't help but love Jolinar, even in "In The Line of Duty". Martouf was sweet :) AT did some impressive acting (I get shivers when she begs Martouf to shut the memory recall device off :D) I also love torture scenes (I'm not a sadists, I just get shivers ever time)

Daniel's_twin
November 9th, 2004, 07:13 PM
This was definitely a highlight episode of this season. I was especially impressed with how they made Sokar look. His eyes glowing a pale red and all that. I felt so sorry for Sam, who had to find out that her father was sent to, for all intents and purposes, hell. I wonder though, did Sokar choose a host who was albino and then take him over, or did he take a normal human and then manipulate the appearance to make it seem more Satan-esque. :cool:

aussie_gal
November 15th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Yeah i loved this ep. How they made Socar look like he did it sent shivers up my spine. also the story with sam and Martouf i think was done really well

Erik Pasternak
December 12th, 2004, 01:31 PM
I could never figure out whether Sokar was human or not either. I just assumed that he is and that his sarcophogus screwed up in some way.

PugGate
March 7th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Sokar is so freaking scary! He truly looks satanic. TPTB definitely cast that character very well.

Jonzey
March 16th, 2005, 01:10 PM
The end of this episode- one of my all time favourite 'wow!' moments in Stargate...

zats
March 17th, 2005, 09:52 AM
He looks like Emperor Palpatine's (y'know, from Star Wars) younger brother.

SmartFox
March 17th, 2005, 10:43 AM
Man Sokar and his Jaffa were just sweet. They all looked so cool. I also loved how Sokar turned the moon Ne'tu (sp?) into hell. Very good ep all around. One of my favorites of S3.

astrogeologist
March 22nd, 2005, 03:03 PM
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For Season 3's Jolinar's Memories and The Devil You Know...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemoriesrecalldevice.jpg
The Tokra memory recall device as they travel to Netu in the teltak.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemorieswithmartouf.jpg
Sam remembers (and feels) Jolinar's love for Martouf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinaristortured.jpg
Jolinar is tortured with the pain stick; Sam feels it 'realistically'!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemoriesnetudadbynar.jpg
Netu: They find Sam's father Jacob and then Sam meets Bynar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKbloodofsokar.jpg
Apophis and the Blood of Sokar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKmemoriesapophis.jpg
The Blood of Sokar and the memory recall device
- and Sam sees memories of just after her mother died.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKprison.jpg
Netu's prison, Sam looks after her father and speaks with Martouf
- telling him not to let them use Jolinar, or Sam, against him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKend.jpg
Final scenes. Sam, Jacob and Martouf in the cells of Netu.
Sam and Jacob on the teltak on the way home.
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RubyRed
April 23rd, 2005, 11:33 PM
I think it was great. definetly one of stargates finest episode. i love sam in this episode she was brilliant. they way she acted when she remmember jolinar being torture was incredible. i like how jack was so defensive of sam when martouf was pushing to hard. i think this episode was great.

QuiGonJohn
May 8th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Loved this episode too. Tonight I'm gonna watch The Devil You Know. I have my suspicions of what happens in that episode, but I won't write them now.

Believer
May 8th, 2005, 09:27 PM
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For Season 3's Jolinar's Memories and The Devil You Know...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemoriesrecalldevice.jpg
The Tokra memory recall device as they travel to Netu in the teltak.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemorieswithmartouf.jpg
Sam remembers (and feels) Jolinar's love for Martouf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinaristortured.jpg
Jolinar is tortured with the pain stick; Sam feels it 'realistically'!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsmemoriesnetudadbynar.jpg
Netu: They find Sam's father Jacob and then Sam meets Bynar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKbloodofsokar.jpg
Apophis and the Blood of Sokar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKmemoriesapophis.jpg
The Blood of Sokar and the memory recall device
- and Sam sees memories of just after her mother died.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKprison.jpg
Netu's prison, Sam looks after her father and speaks with Martouf
- telling him not to let them use Jolinar, or Sam, against him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jolinarsTDYKend.jpg
Final scenes. Sam, Jacob and Martouf in the cells of Netu.
Sam and Jacob on the teltak on the way home.
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Absolutely a fantastic post, one of the best I've seen!!!!! And you hit everything dead on. I loved that episode, and seeing your pic's, brought everything back.

GREAT job! :D

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 03:34 AM
Brilliant Acting by all those involoved, when will TPTB stop suprising me with such great episodes

Also i think the GW rules are not to quote pics, reomve the img tabs ans you should be fine

Ascendant
September 8th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Awesomeness. I love two-parters, and the idea was great: they literally have to bring Sam's dad back from Hell. Having Hell be an actual terraformed moon was very creative.

Some fantastic effects, too. Naatu (or however you spell it) looks amazing. I honestly can't tell if it's matte work or CG or models or what. Season 3 ruled when it came to environment shots. Not only that, but it was the first real introduction to Sokar (aside from a voice demanding that they return Apophis). It was also fun seeing what Jolinar looked like, and learning about her relationship with Martouf. The only thing that bothered me was Bynar's eye - or lack thereof. It was so gross I had to look away when they did close-ups of him.

One of the best episodes in Season 3, and that's saying a lot. The Devil You Know was even better, though.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Fantastic episode, IMHO. But i like The Devil you Know even more...

captain jake
June 3rd, 2006, 12:32 AM
I agree apophis makes the devil you know much more enjoyable.

L.A. Doyle
July 7th, 2006, 09:21 PM
This is an excellent episode. Amanda Tapping's performance was wonderful, as was everyone's. I love the Jolinar storyline. They need to revist that somehow, even if it's only Sam using Goa'uld technology.

captain jake
July 8th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Well I don't know if you have watched the other seasons but they have mentioned it quite a bit. One example would be in "meridian" she uses the healing device to try to bring back daniel.

L.A. Doyle
July 8th, 2006, 01:38 PM
Well I don't know if you have watched the other seasons but they have mentioned it quite a bit. One example would be in "meridian" she uses the healing device to try to bring back daniel.

Oh, I've seen every episode and I know it did come up again. I meant I want to see it brought up again in the upcoming season. Maybe it's too much to ask, but it's an interesting story arc. Not to mention both Sam and Vala have been unwilling hosts-it gives them something in common.

It's been speculated that Sam might not have used the healing device again b/c of what happened after she used it with Dainel. I can understand that. As for the hand device, it would be handy to have off world!

I like the Tok'ra storyline, and really wish there could be more.

scarimor
July 8th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Seeing this thread and Astro's pics reminds me how much I enjoyed this episode and its sequel. I miss the richmess of the visual designs - the hellish moon, the costumes, Sokar's make-up. The story is involving and the acting is excellent.

I miss this kind of Stargate.

RepliCartertje
July 8th, 2006, 03:02 PM
Seeing this thread and Astro's pics reminds me how much I enjoyed this episode and its sequel. I miss the richmess of the visual designs - the hellish moon, the costumes, Sokar's make-up. The story is involving and the acting is excellent.

I miss this kind of Stargate.
Well you are not the only one who misses this sort of ep. they show what a great actress AT is, and how good she is when she is being whumped. I love it when she is being tortured. If she has to show emotions and pain.
But this ep. is more than AT, you get a really great story line. You get the martouf and jolinar(sam) thing. And you see how the other teammembers are their for eachother.

captain jake
July 8th, 2006, 10:46 PM
Seeing this thread and Astro's pics reminds me how much I enjoyed this episode and its sequel. I miss the richmess of the visual designs - the hellish moon, the costumes, Sokar's make-up. The story is involving and the acting is excellent.

I miss this kind of Stargate.

Come on scarimor they still make episodes that are just as good as this one.

Have you seen babylon, or ex deus machina?

scarimor
July 9th, 2006, 06:44 AM
Come on scarimor they still make episodes that are just as good as this one.

Have you seen babylon, or ex deus machina?
Yes. They don't hold a candle to it. The only season 9 ep which comes close to the story-telling quality, imo, is Ethon. Though they did a good job with Crusade too.

Most of season 9 just looks sterile compared to these episodes. And the only recent visual effect which has impressed me is the super-gate in Camelot.

captain jake
July 9th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Yes. They don't hold a candle to it. The only season 9 ep which comes close to the story-telling quality, imo, is Ethon. Though they did a good job with Crusade too.

Most of season 9 just looks sterile compared to these episodes. And the only recent visual effect which has impressed me is the super-gate in Camelot.

Well thats your oppinion and I can respect it.

Ok back on topic.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 10:19 PM
i thought the planet natu i think its called i think that was a brilliant idea especially how close it is too Delmak sokars planet ah hang on i just remembered natu is the moon of delmak that is why its so close

Harlan's Speechwriter
May 22nd, 2007, 10:31 PM
A very powerful episode. Once again, AT was superb. There are just so many levels to this episode. The exploration of the relationships between the characters, especially concerning Jolinar, who could only be present 'in spirit' through Sam, was handled extremely well.

garhkal
May 23rd, 2007, 04:20 PM
The only thing i did not like was how quickly the Tok'ra were to 'count SG1 out, with all we have done so far.

First
June 12th, 2007, 08:56 PM
Yes they obviously have different principles to the Tau'ri. They don't put too much value on an individual if their sacrifice is for the good of the many.

Loved Netu (aka hell), and the demonesque Jaffa. Very cool location and effects.
Whatever happened to Jolinar's original host? (forgot her name) We assume she died, which is really sad. Especially for Martouf, who ends up in a very strange love triangle (quadrangle?) with Sam and her memories of Jolinar and the previous host.

Chaka's_Mum
June 13th, 2007, 12:02 AM
Rosha's fate was never revealed. It's possible she left for another host because Rosha was dying, or possibly Rosha persuaded her to jump to another host to remain in hiding as it's the host who is the recogniseable half of the duo. We just don't know.

If Sam was aware of that memory, she either kept it to herself or revealed it to Martouf in private (i.e. off camera).

And yes, Ne'tu is indeed magnificently horrible! :)

First
June 13th, 2007, 12:33 AM
I guess Sam didn't recall the memory of Rosha's last moments. Would've been very painful with the memory recall device, whether it was death or just goodbye old friend.

It's a good double episode when the only thing I can complain about is that I want MORE!

Crichiel
January 22nd, 2008, 09:08 AM
Like I wrote about part 2, Sam isn't my favourite character, so this Sam-centric two-parter isn't one I get excited about. Even so, I think it was well executed and was happy that they did it because it furthered so many other stories that I really do enjoy. I'd give it a....hmmm...5/10?

chevron3
February 16th, 2008, 08:54 AM
^only a 5/10!!!*gasps*
i really liked this ep. i wish jolinar had tried 2 xplain more about herself; maybe they would have let her go. i suppose it's better the way it ended up though.

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 05:24 AM
Like I wrote about part 2, Sam isn't my favourite character, so this Sam-centric two-parter isn't one I get excited about. Even so, I think it was well executed and was happy that they did it because it furthered so many other stories that I really do enjoy. I'd give it a....hmmm...5/10?

Sam isn't my favorite character either, but I really liked this two parter. I'm not a fan of the relationship between Martouf and Sam, but I can say that I really like Martouf by himself. It did further a lot of stories, just off hand they brought back Apophis and Selmak. Most importantly though it was one of the first episodes to get Goa'uld technology off the ground. After this we see Transportation rings, the Tel'tak, and death gliders on a regular bases.


^only a 5/10!!!*gasps*
i really liked this ep. i wish jolinar had tried 2 xplain more about herself; maybe they would have let her go. i suppose it's better the way it ended up though.

Yes I agree that this wasn't a 5 out of 10 episode more like a 7 out of 10. However, I don't think it would have mattered if Jolinar would have tried to explain herself in "In the Line of Duty". It wasn't until we get the character witness, Samantha Carter that we begin to understand the Tok'ra.

me_urgo
June 30th, 2008, 05:46 AM
AT's acting is quite good and i enjoyed seing the Tok'ra once again. Sokar was the first bad guy that really impressed me. Pure evil looking guy and the Jaffa costumes were let's say interesting. Was kind of expecting Na'onak to actually be Apophis. Still, he lost most of his charm, if he ever had any. Oh, and Sokar did a great job in transforming Netu.

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 06:17 AM
AT's acting is quite good and i enjoyed seing the Tok'ra once again. Sokar was the first bad guy that really impressed me. Pure evil looking guy and the Jaffa costumes were let's say interesting. Was kind of expecting Na'onak to actually be Apophis. Still, he lost most of his charm, if he ever had any. Oh, and Sokar did a great job in transforming Netu.

I don't know about Sokar, he definitely was scary, but he didn't have the presence of Apophis or Anubis. I found it extremely interesting to see that even without his army of Jaffa Apophis could still inspire the men around him to join his cause. Despite the fact that Apophis doesn't have the satanic vibe of Sokar he is a really bad guy who knows his business. Apophis will always be the original bad guy, it was his vain nature which made this episode so ironic and memorable.

Sokar is simply a side note.

HelloVelo
July 4th, 2008, 02:16 PM
The yellow, gooey stuff leaking from Bynarr's eye gave me the willies.

Rating: 10/10

Full Reveiw: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/jolinars-memories.html

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 07:55 PM
The yellow pussy stuff from Bynarr's eye gave me the willies.

Rating: 10/10

Full Reveiw: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/jolinars-memories.html

I don't think you realize what you are typing... I think you mean "pus like", change it quick before someone else looks at it and gets offended.

HelloVelo
July 4th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Ha!

Yes, I should fix that.

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Ha!

Yes, I should fix that.

That's much better, LMAO.

L E E
July 8th, 2008, 06:38 PM
Oh. My. God. I totally didn't see that coming. He's back! And looks very pissed.

Gotta go watch the continuation.

Trent
August 9th, 2008, 09:30 PM
It was one of the best episodes i have every seen

the flashbacks was cool i also liked the cliffhanger

pritnep
August 21st, 2008, 07:48 AM
I really enjoyed the episode.

The whole idea of Sokra has been a pretty interesting one, he is just so evil and this taking on the persona of the devil does make him a Goa'uld who frightens me.

A very dark direction for Stargate to head into but the special effects, props, set design department especially have to be commended for making it look like literal hell.

I love how Jack called Martouf, Marty.

Apophis making his come back, another reason I love this episode. :D

APOPHIStheGREAT
September 1st, 2008, 02:13 AM
I could never figure out whether Sokar was human or not either. I just assumed that he is and that his sarcophogus screwed up in some way.

in the episode where apophis was rescued by sg1 and brought back to earth they questioned whether sokar was human or a unas. i wish they would of made him a unas, that would of been extremely interesting.

Black_Sheep
September 3rd, 2008, 07:11 PM
Good episode. Lot's of action, and very interesting stuff. Also, the ending was surprising, though i was sure that we would see Apophis again, but i wasn't expecting it to happen this soon. Tomorrow i watch the conclusion of this two-part episode. Looking forward. So far season 3 has been awesome :D

Artifysial
September 3rd, 2008, 08:26 PM
in the episode where apophis was rescued by sg1 and brought back to earth they questioned whether sokar was human or a unas. i wish they would of made him a unas, that would of been extremely interesting.

Yes I was hoping to see alot more of the Unas generally ad their history they were kind of interesting

ep was like vision of Dante's inferno - screaming in the background was really eerie

Verdande
October 16th, 2008, 01:31 PM
Oh. My. God. I totally didn't see that coming. He's back! And looks very pissed.

Gotta go watch the continuation.

That describes my reaction exactly! :jack_new_anime05:

And best quote, when they found Jacob in the pit on Netu:
Jacob: "Am I dreaming?"
Carter: "No. No, we’re real."
Jacob: "Are you crazy?"
O'Neill: "Uh, apparently."

RononXSpecialist
November 13th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Love how Jack makes a joke out of everything even under impending DOOM.
Sokar's gotta be one of mi favorite system lords.
To bad he was short lived =\

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 02:11 PM
the only thing i didn't get about this episode was how come selmak was dying? besides that i loved it and sokar reminds me of the bad guy from james bond die another day, it's funny to think that sokar may have been what they based the look of the bad guy. shame it was a terrible film

Pic
March 20th, 2009, 07:20 PM
"Of course, it makes sense. The Goa'uld impersonating the Devil would naturally create a place like Netu. Netu is from the book of Am-Taut which is kind of a how-to guide on passage through the ancient Egyptian otherworld regions. And many of those regions are described as dark places with pits of fire—home to hellish monsters and the damned."

Gee, thanks Daniel. Now I'm all sorts of excited to go to this place.


In one of her flashbacks, Sam was making cookies. They made me hungry.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/Pic-CollSwan/SGM/03X12.png

gateship15
March 20th, 2009, 07:45 PM
great episode there are some very great moments in this episode

vzzzzzbx
April 11th, 2009, 05:56 PM
Certainly was a great episode, had a little bit of everything.

The Stig
April 25th, 2009, 02:58 PM
This was one of the best. i didn't expect Apophis to return but afterwards i could see how he could. Sokar is awesome.

drewandian
June 10th, 2009, 09:12 PM
I just re-watched this tonight and this was a tough episode for me....it creeped me out...but i couldn't stop watching

i loved AT in this ep, VERY powerful acting...and the dynamics b/w the characters was amazing.

Ne'tu is scary...they went all out to make it look like the last place you'd ever want to end up and they did it well

I LOVE the fighting scenes....I definitely prefer a good butt whumping to a fire fight any day.....

I had forgotten about the whole Apophis thing... WOW!

And I'd be totally up the creek w/out a paddle if I had to go into one of those descent pods (dark, small places....VERY BAD!)

all in all i like this episode....i just can't turn out the lights and go to sleep right after watching it....need to find some fuzzy bunnies and rainbows and daisies.....

rushy
November 24th, 2009, 04:34 AM
Why Apophis had to come back! I so made up a party when he was dead.Now I have bills to pay and no one will believe me next time.

mrscopterdoc
March 9th, 2010, 03:35 PM
I hate two-parters....And Apophis is back.

VampyreWraith
June 8th, 2010, 09:50 AM
i just rewatched this ep, i forgot how much i liked it, and the music in the part where sam is remembering Jolinar saying goodbye to Martouf was soo beautiful.

Girlbot
June 11th, 2010, 11:02 AM
Apophis returns like a bad penny. This one was creepy Poor Carter having to rememver what Jolinar had to do to get away :eek:

maneth
August 25th, 2010, 11:16 AM
Poor Jolinar/Carter! Great suspense, loved this double ep.

FrodoFraggins
March 31st, 2011, 04:38 PM
9.5/10

Very well done. Nothing stood out for me to nitpick!

Lunaeclipse
May 8th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Even thought the ep was about Jolinar, I didn't really get a sense of who she was... It would've been nice to see more about her throughout the series, seeing as Sam had her memories and stuff.

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 10th, 2011, 02:20 PM
Ambitious stuff. The set design for Ne'tu was pretty good stuff by the day's standards and the budget the show had - by today's standards it looks pretty poor, but it can't be knocked for that. The show was pushing the edge of what it could do, and it succeeds.

Splitting this into a two parter was clearly a means of allowing the cost to be spread, as this first part moves pretty slowly in terms of story. That doesn't prevent it from being an enjoyable watch, though. The trip on the cargo ship allows for Amanda Tapping to show off her ever improving acting and gives us our first real look at Jolinar. Martouf is also given a chance to shine and become an ever more rounded character.

Once we get to Ne'tu it becomes all about the visuals, and we get a bunch of fairly stereotypical villains thrown at us. Bynarr is nothing special (although we haven't really seen a subserviant Goa'uld before), Neonak is a blank slate with a silly name and the "denizens", as they are referred to far too many times, are silly big sweaty brutes.

- Sokar is much more interesting, and his Jaffa look awesome! I don't think Sokar was given enough to do though, and he is eventually relegated to the cliche of a big bad guy who sits around and tries to act intimidating.

- There's a great effect down one of the tunnels on Ne'tu with flowing lava. I guess it's a rear projection, and it's subtle but works great.

- The actress who played young Sam really looked the part and gave a good performance.

- An unexpected appearance by Apophis at the end, but really unwelcome. I was never a fan.

RATING: 7 out of 10

Krisz
October 13th, 2011, 08:52 PM
At last one of the episodes I like in this season. I loved the whole idea of this hell created by a Goa'uld in which even other Goa'uld are tormented! As a vision of hell it was a pretty good vision I thought, the visual effects hold up pretty well to the passing of time.

Liked how we saw a little more of what alienated Sam and her Father, makes it all the more poignant to see how they had reconciled to the point they are now, she risked her life to save him.

I thought it was a great idea with that 'Blood of Sokar' bringing out painful memories as the vehicle for the bad guy to try and get information!

The revelation of Apophis at the end was a great surprise when I first saw this. Pretty pointless for rewatches though! :P Still, it's fun to see the different reactions on everyones' faces and shows Apophis has the staying power of a cockroach!

dtheories
October 16th, 2011, 07:40 PM
Some really good comedic delivery: "No one ever asked how she escaped from an unescapable prison?" blink blink "Hey Marty! A word?"

And the team rallying around Sam was moving. Really enjoyed the art or matte painting or whatever to create Ne'tu, top side and down below. Even Sokar's eyes glowed red!

High drama and jeopardy throughout. Fast moving and exciting episode.

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 17th, 2011, 04:01 AM
Fantastic ep. So many things I love about it. The set looks fantastic. The background sound effects are chilling. Sokar is awesome. His Jaffa look epic. Especially the one with horns.

Was so shocked when Apophis revealed himself the first time I saw this ep. Love his costume.

Matt G
October 17th, 2011, 05:03 PM
Not sure I actually watched this ep at 5pm...think I may have missed the 5pm showing and watched the late night showing for this one.

1. "Your father has been sent to hell". OK...

2. Didn't expect the memory thing to show up again...hadn't even been sure it was a real device.

3. Er...subtle, not.

4. Yes Sokar does look like the Emporer.

5. Was not expecting to see 'him' again!

Interesting...

Jae'a
October 18th, 2011, 11:08 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/15426.html)
And the 'listening to' is right - I did hear Highway to Hell part way through writing this. :P I love it when I hear an apt song for an episode's day. :D

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 18th, 2011, 04:56 PM
I thought it was a pretty good episode. So good old Apophis is alive.

The scene where the Cargo ship arrives at the planet, the moment of the camera kind of gave me SGU vibes.

The space battle between Teal'c and the Gliders, it looked like it moved a little too fast.

Tomorrow, the conclusion of this 2 parter. Will Jacob (or anyone else) survive?

SaraBahama
October 21st, 2011, 08:07 PM
Jack gets some classic lines:

"By all means. To hell with us.!"
"Well, I'm going to end up there sooner or later. Might as well check out the neighborhood, huh?"

Even on the rewatch I thought the set was pretty good for a TV series. It certainly was different from previous eps. The concept that Sokar is playing the Devil (and they have carried this theme from 'Serpent's Song' to 'Demons' to this ep) is an interesting one.

Carter's memories added depth to her backstory and I always love to see her interact with Jacob.

Learning more about Jolinar...about what she had to do to escape, and the way she wanted to spare Martouf that pain gave us another layer of her character as well. It also raised moral/ethical questions about doing what you have to in order to survive.

Apophis? Noooo! We should have known after the comments on 'Serpent's Song' that Sokar wouldn't let him stay dead.

jelgate
October 22nd, 2011, 10:16 PM
This a great two parter however Jolinar's Memories has the burden of setting the exposition to make the great pace for Part 2. It isn't done poorly but their is a lot of setup before any real action occurs. I guess that in itself isn't bad. It shows insight into Sam and really highlights the worst time of her life. I like that as it something we haven't seen before. Once we get onto Netu what makes this episode so great we have no idea what is going. Thier are so many twists and turns in the episode its hard to understand what is going on. For example when Naonak killed Bynar it was so unexcpected. Speaking of unexpected the reveal of Apophis was probably the biggest jawdropper for the series. I remember hating that "to be continued" when I orginally saw this episode.

Plus Sokar is just plain creepy.

Brother Freyr
October 24th, 2011, 07:15 PM
Yes, the creepy quotient is pretty high on this one. The Aphophis revelation always gets an audible laugh from me, not that I'm pleased by his return. Noooo! Not him again!

Starscape91
October 27th, 2011, 09:09 PM
I always enjoy watching this episode.

Dimes
December 26th, 2011, 04:30 AM
Good episode with good acting.
Like the flashbacks.

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 01:44 PM
Sg-1, off to the rescue again!

Jacks "To H--- with us," was almost morbidly funny...

Marty's back! While I like the guy, he still seems to be thinking of Sam as Jolinar, which is why he's so attached to her....:rolleyes: Call me crazy, but I always felt Martouf's attraction to Sam was kind of creepy...

garhkal
July 29th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Morbid?? Not really.. Sarcastic, yes.. But then again seeing as Teal'c has also had some good funny quips, i was surprised it wasn't him that said it.

Girlbot
July 29th, 2012, 03:59 PM
I liked Martouf.

Darkland
October 27th, 2012, 07:03 AM
Re-watching season three and I've forgotten how good this was.
Loved Jack and his defensive of Sam when he saw how pushing Martouf was with the memory implant thingy.

Major Clanger
March 29th, 2013, 09:02 AM
not a bad ep - love all the flashbacks and Jack / Martouf interaction.

And, yaayyy - Apophis is back.

Falcon Horus
June 5th, 2013, 04:57 AM
A rescue-op that goes south, way south... To hell with us!

This one really is just the build-up to part 2. Nevertheless it has some good moments. Ne'tu looks particularly pleasant... :eek: ...not exactly Emerald City but it could pass for one, in hell anyway.

And oh right, Apophis is back... He's like a cockroach, hard to kill. :p

Sparky She-Demon
July 18th, 2013, 03:03 PM
Apophis is like the energizer bunny. He keeps on going.

I watched this episode for the first time about two weeks ago. I loved it.

Kali
July 18th, 2013, 04:23 PM
Apophis is one of my favorite system lords other than Ba'al. His persistence, cunning, and skill as a warrior made him nearly unbeatable.

Also, it was interesting to see the connection made between the minds of the host and of the symbiote. Jolinar was only with Sam for a short while, and yet her thoughts, memories, and feelings made a notable impact on Sam's mind.

garhkal
July 20th, 2013, 03:39 PM
Perhaps the age/strength of the host is what causes it.. See Jack and "Kanen" (his host)

Sparky She-Demon
November 14th, 2013, 05:56 AM
Perhaps the age/strength of the host is what causes it.. See Jack and "Kanen" (his host)

You mean his symbiote that took him for a joyride?

Falcon Horus
November 14th, 2013, 02:38 PM
Perhaps the age/strength of the host is what causes it.. See Jack and "Kanen" (his host)

I think the older a symbiote the easier it blends with a new host, and the faster their minds become linked with one another. Of course, even they are at some point too old to take a new host, but with age comes wisdom and strength.

Kanan didn't take Jack for a joyride. He did have an agenda and used Jack's notion of not leaving people behind to go find the lothar.

Sparky She-Demon
November 15th, 2013, 09:22 AM
I think the older a symbiote the easier it blends with a new host, and the faster their minds become linked with one another. Of course, even they are at some point too old to take a new host, but with age comes wisdom and strength.

Kanan didn't take Jack for a joyride. He did have an agenda and used Jack's notion of not leaving people behind to go find the lothar.

Well, whatever happened, it certainly didn't help how Jack views the Tok'ra!

Falcon Horus
November 15th, 2013, 10:02 AM
Well, whatever happened, it certainly didn't help how Jack views the Tok'ra!

He didn't like them before, after or ever. So no change there.... at least, he stayed constant about that.

hedwig
November 15th, 2013, 10:28 AM
Well, whatever happened, it certainly didn't help how Jack views the Tok'ra!

Jack hasn't liked the Tok'ra since they first turned up (In the Line of Duty). He still judges them to be as bad as the goa'uld. He doesn't trust any of them as far as he can throw them.

Sparky She-Demon
November 15th, 2013, 11:13 AM
He didn't like them before, after or ever. So no change there.... at least, he stayed constant about that.

He seemed to tolerate Jacob and by extension Selmak more than the rest.


Jack hasn't liked the Tok'ra since they first turned up (In the Line of Duty). He still judges them to be as bad as the goa'uld. He doesn't trust any of them as far as he can throw them.

Very true. I can think of some that he would've loved to give a beating to, purely in the interest of a training exercise of course! ;)

hedwig
November 15th, 2013, 12:56 PM
He seemed to tolerate Jacob and by extension Selmak more than the rest.


He only tolerates Jacob/Selmak because Jacob is the host and he likes Jacob. He wouldn't like Selmak at all if she was blended with somebody he didn't know. :)

Sparky She-Demon
November 15th, 2013, 01:36 PM
He only tolerates Jacob/Selmak because Jacob is the host and he likes Jacob. He wouldn't like Selmak at all if she was blended with somebody he didn't know. :)

Yes, I'm working a story involving the Tok'ra. Highly interesting.

Sparky She-Demon
April 7th, 2014, 12:06 PM
Just watched this episode again. I love everyone's facial expressions when they see who Nao'nak really is!

Britta
April 7th, 2014, 01:06 PM
Just watched this episode again. I love everyone's facial expressions when they see who Nao'nak really is!

That guy would be a blast at Masquerade balls.


Jack hasn't liked the Tok'ra since they first turned up (In the Line of Duty). He still judges them to be as bad as the goa'uld. He doesn't trust any of them as far as he can throw them.

I always thought a large part of it was about the Tok'ra being patronising. They looked down on the Tau'ri as young when they, like the Goa'uld, co-opted much of their technology from other races.

Sparky She-Demon
April 7th, 2014, 01:18 PM
Good point. But I also think that Martouf was one of less patronizing of the Tok'ra.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 8th, 2014, 10:04 AM
Keep in mind that Martouf is the human half of the partnership. When we saw his symbiote, it was quite curt and condescending.

Seaboe

Sparky She-Demon
April 8th, 2014, 11:12 AM
Keep in mind that Martouf is the human half of the partnership. When we saw his symbiote, it was quite curt and condescending.

Seaboe

But you could also see Lantash's point in Serpent's Song. And he did turn out to be right that Sokar would come after them.

Hathor_girl
January 18th, 2015, 06:33 AM
I think this gif-set (on tumblr) pretty much epitomizes Stargate SG-1!

http://roeskva.tumblr.com/post/99728139152/stargate-sg-1-s03xe12-jolinars-memories

Sparky She-Demon
April 19th, 2015, 09:58 PM
It does, I think.

I Am Not James Spader
May 19th, 2015, 11:21 AM
Just after the team is thrown into the Pit and find Jacob, O'Neill contacts Teal'C who asks the colonel if they have found the means of escape.

Why didn't Teal'C tell them that there were teleportation rings on the prison moon. He saw the beam just a few minutes before.

And it doesn't happen of screen because carter returns to the cell with the big announcement that there is a teleportation device in Bynarr's chambers.

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 05:06 AM
Right, my sentiments exactly. I like the second part better.

maneth
March 28th, 2016, 10:35 AM
I like the two-parter. Apophis' reappearance was creepy.

Falcon Horus
January 26th, 2018, 04:50 PM
To hell with us!

Couldn't have said it any better. :p

This episode clearly sets the stage for part II but I do like that we finally dig into Jolinar a little more. Took them long enough to get there. Martouf is back, and he's got that lost-puppy thing going on, in my opinion. I understand, Jolinar never wanted him to know what she did to survive, to escape.

And not only do we delve into Jolinar's background but we get a good portion of Sam too (albeit more of that in the second part The Devil You Know).

What I do wonder about though -- was Dion Johnstone ever really on set here. I mean, he's supposed to play Naonak but he's revealed to be Apophis in the end so Peter Williams would technically have been there. Unless Dion doubled for Peter and then with the great reveal, ta-da it's Peter as Apophis.

Sokar, by the way, is deliciously creepy. :D

How would you rate SG-1's "Jolinar's Memories?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
January 29th, 2018, 09:42 AM
To hell with us!


Well, I'm going there anyway. The memories are not really about Joliniar. Its using her escape from Netu to show Sam's own memories personally those with her father. A scifi cheat to get more backstory specifically with her father. It may be a little slow on the voyage to Netu but I like it. Once again the famous cargo ship. I'm not an asthetics person like FH but I always liked the look on the planet as Hell. I remember the first time I saw this episode I was shocked to see Naonak was Apophis. Even though we knew he was not dead it was still a good shocker. Also I loved how creepy Sokar is with his playing of fire. I'm calling this an excellent.

Falcon Horus
February 14th, 2018, 04:27 PM
For those who haven't done the epic 9 episode quiz posted in the Proper Stargate Rewatch: round-up of polls, quizzes & jigsaw puzzles (https://forum.gateworld.net/threads/92674-Proper-Stargate-Rewatch-round-up-of-polls-quizzes-jigsaw-puzzles), can partake in the 3-episode quiz instead which deals with the episodes of week 19: Forever In A Day, Past And Present & Jolinar's Memories (https://goo.gl/forms/XxmZl0OkF485sZdR2).

Jigsaw: Jolinar's Memories (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=HUXTSRX6)

My jigsaw time: 10:08

jelgate
March 12th, 2018, 10:03 AM
The world is still safe FH. I got 7 minutes and 45 seconds

Falcon Horus
March 13th, 2018, 02:51 AM
The world is still safe FH. I got 7 minutes and 45 seconds

Yeah, my victory did not last long... :S

Ah well... it was worth it, for that brief moment. :p

BethHG
June 24th, 2018, 04:45 PM
12:42. 12/15

This was a good episode. I thought it was foolish for Sam to make herself known to Bynarr. Apophis just keeps coming back to cause troubles.:bow:

Falcon Horus
June 25th, 2018, 01:03 PM
Apophis just keeps coming back to cause troubles.:bow:

Therefore, it's always best to say "We're 99,99% sure he's ... dead." :p

Who Knows
September 23rd, 2018, 09:23 PM
12.04

hedwig
September 24th, 2018, 05:57 PM
11:40