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mikeforrest2003
July 19th, 2005, 11:57 PM
1. First and most obvious: Colonel Tigh's Wife. Baltar hinted at it in the episode where she was introduced.

2. Lt. Jolly! (I think that's who Tigh said the big guy was anyway toward the end) He seemed to be trying to divert Tigh away from ideas that might work!

3. Lt. Gaeta. Somehow lost track of where the Fleet was going.

4. What about Colonel Tigh himself? Could that be why he became a drunk because in the back of his mind he knew he wasn't what he appeared to be?

5. Crashdown: Lost the medkit? Somehow survives where two other Raptors crashed?

Vala
July 20th, 2005, 02:00 AM
3. Lt. Gaeta. Somehow lost track of where the Fleet was going.

GAETA!!!! yes he's the cylon!

Easter Lily
July 20th, 2005, 02:56 AM
Can this be about who isn't a cylon too? :p

I don't know about Ellen Tigh... she's too obvious... Can't she just be an awful human being... Col Tigh's alcoholism is probably more related to her being the wife from hell than him being a cylon.
Lt Gaeta... perhaps... poor man... I do like him though...

Agent_Dark
July 20th, 2005, 05:01 AM
2. Lt. Jolly! (I think that's who Tigh said the big guy was anyway toward the end) He seemed to be trying to divert Tigh away from ideas that might work!

Actually, thats Captain Kelly ;) He was in the mini-series, but we never saw him again until now :)

Vorlon-1
July 20th, 2005, 02:47 PM
Can this be about who isn't a cylon too? :p

I don't know about Ellen Tigh... she's too obvious... Can't she just be an awful human being... Col Tigh's alcoholism is probably more related to her being the wife from hell than him being a cylon.
Lt Gaeta... perhaps... poor man... I do like him though...

A perfect example of why the cylons are better than humanity lol. She's too human in my opinion, power hungry, manipulative, Uses her female quailities (something the female cylons are big on) to gain the advantage. But her goal is to gain power for herself not for any sort of collective goal.

keshou
July 20th, 2005, 07:47 PM
I'm with Easter Lily on Ellen Tigh. I just think she's a manipulative, selfish, no-goodnik. But I don't think she's a Cylon.

I definitely think SOMEONE on the bridge is a sleeper Cylon. And I've suspected Gaeta. My other suspect is the innocent-seeming Duella. I'd hate that but could happen.

And some awful person in another thread *cough*Jonisa*cough* put it into my head that Lee Adama might be a Cylon. Noooooooooooooo...... :(

I think that lady priestess could be a Cylon. She's good at maniuplating Roslin.

mikeforrest2003
July 20th, 2005, 11:46 PM
Anyone who wasn't part of the Bridge Crew at the start I would think. That would include, Lee, Starbuck, Laura. Billy?

Remember the Cylon Device found in the miniseries had been planted a week prior to the Cylon attack which is my reasoning here.

Adama himself I doubt it although it would be an interesting twist! (Olmos even said that in an interview.)

I've seen Billy listed as a possible Cylon although I not sure why.

Lee wasn't on board the Galactica until the last minute.

Laura of course because that wouldn't fit with the prophesy subplot.

Starbuck hates Cylons so much it's hard to believe they would allow that kind of attitude.

BackStageJim
July 21st, 2005, 02:53 AM
I suspect there is a single Cylon unit as the final solution. And she is Madam President. It would be much like the "I Mudd" episode on ST:TOS, where all machines were linked to a single unit.

Jonisa
July 21st, 2005, 03:48 AM
And some awful person in another thread *cough*Jonisa*cough* put it into my head that Lee Adama might be a Cylon. Noooooooooooooo...... :(


*Ahem.* So sorry. How can I make it up to you? Chocolate, perhaps? :)

Actually it was someone on another list that put the dreadful idea in my head. Just had to share the idea and spread my paranoia around to my friends here.

I'm trying to make the best of it now. I figure it just gives me an excuse to watch the boy even closer than I usually do. (Not quite sure how that's possible though.) :p

Which brings me back to the thing I'm wondering about. If Lee is a Cylon (Bad idea, Mr. Moore. If you go there, no cookie for you!) or Adama or Tigh, they'd have to be copies of the original. We know about Lee's upbringing, we've even seen pictures of him as a child. There's no question that Lee Adama at one point was human. And still is, thank you very much.

So, is Sharon Valerii a completely new creation, or was there a real Sharon that was cloned/copied by the Cylons? Same goes for the other ones we've seen, such as Leoben or Six. Up until now, the only ones who have been Cylons are characters that we know nothing about their past. I'm confuzed about this, but I'm thinking this is going to be explained in upcoming episodes.

Anyway, my possibilities for Cylons. There's the icky possibility that Lee is one, of course, based on Leoben's comment. However, they'd have to really set that up well, because they have to know how much the viewers would hate the idea. There's almost a sense of betrayal if they take this character that has been set up a certain way and then say, "Gotcha!" Same with Starbuck or Adama.

Like a lot of people, I've wondered about Gaeta. Also Billy, especially with his proximity to the president. Perhaps someone on Tyrol's crew?

yaaayoubetcha
July 21st, 2005, 06:29 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Dee.

She seems the most obvious member of the bridge crew to me.

She's in almost every bridge scene but rarely has a critical role and she has a link to the president via Billy.

Perfect role for a cover agent.

Of course, i'd hate it if she was since she's my fave 2ndary character.

mikeforrest2003
July 21st, 2005, 08:49 AM
Dee is a possibility.

And there does seem to be that close relationship to Billy! Could this be a way for her to get close to Roslin?

Something else I thought about that could apply to Dee or Gaeta is that both their stations are close to where that Cylon whatchamacallit was found!

Vorlon-1
July 21st, 2005, 11:00 AM
And some awful person in another thread *cough*Jonisa*cough* put it into my head that Lee Adama might be a Cylon. Noooooooooooooo...... :(

.
NOOOOOOooooooo
:eek: http://www.ironmass.com/forums/images/smilies/banning.gif

keshou
July 21st, 2005, 07:25 PM
*Ahem.* So sorry. How can I make it up to you? Chocolate, perhaps? :)
A chocolate-covered Lee? I'll take him. *whoops* Wrong thread. :p :)


So, is Sharon Valerii a completely new creation, or was there a real Sharon that was cloned/copied by the Cylons? Same goes for the other ones we've seen, such as Leoben or Six. Up until now, the only ones who have been Cylons are characters that we know nothing about their past. I'm confuzed about this, but I'm thinking this is going to be explained in upcoming episodes.
I'm confused about that too. I assumed they just perfected the "human model" Cylon. No real Sharon ever existed. But now I'm not sure.


Anyway, my possibilities for Cylons. There's the icky possibility that Lee is one, of course, based on Leoben's comment. However, they'd have to really set that up well, because they have to know how much the viewers would hate the idea. There's almost a sense of betrayal if they take this character that has been set up a certain way and then say, "Gotcha!" Same with Starbuck or Adama.
I think it would be hard to pull off but I wouldn't put it past them. I suppose if there are "originals" that exist then it's possible Leoben is aware of Lee Cylons that exist but OUR Lee is actually the original. Shoot - maybe they're going the soap opera route and there are Zak Adama Cylons running around. They could have obtained DNA when the real Zak died.


Like a lot of people, I've wondered about Gaeta. Also Billy, especially with his proximity to the president. Perhaps someone on Tyrol's crew?
Gaeta's probably the most obvious choice - he always seems to be around at opportune moments. Which of course makes me think they're making it too obvious. I think you're right that it could definitely be someone close to Roslin. Billy doesn't seem like Cylon material though. ;)

Helo
July 21st, 2005, 07:39 PM
Cylons do things more staight foward then what happened with gaeta. Like boomer shooting the old man. She wasn't like stealthy she just went up to him and shot him.

Oh and notice all the cylons so far are around the same age. Six,Boomer,The guy from flesh and bone. Their isn't much difference age wise. That could tell you something about who is and who isn't a cylon.

scifigurl720
July 21st, 2005, 08:07 PM
I definitely think Gaeta is a Cylon in the scene before Boomer shot
Commander Adama it looked like he handed something to her, a gun perhaps?

Easter Lily
July 21st, 2005, 08:52 PM
I more inclined to think that the elder Adama is the more likely candidate for being the cylon... but as Kes has said, there must've been an original sometime.

B/w Lee and Kara, I'd say Kara is more likely of the two to be the cylon... she seems to be quite the troubled soul... Lee is Apollo... both healer and hunter... I just don't think they would go there with his character. However, this is not to say that he cannot be the offspring of both a cylon and a human... that would be quite interesting and could be used as a kind of a bridge between the two races.
I think my imagination is going a bit wild here.

mikeforrest2003
July 21st, 2005, 09:00 PM
Hmm hadn't caught the age bit but you are right.

Assuming they are all in their mid twenties that would eliminate, Roslin, Adama, Merek, (pardon my mispellings on names) Colonel and Elen Tigh and probably Lee as well since his rank would indicate mid thirties at least.

That would leave Billy, Dee, Gaeta.

Billy seems to much of a side character to be a Cylon but it's possible.

My this thread has led to some interesting comments.

mikeforrest2003
July 21st, 2005, 09:02 PM
Come to think of it Merek doesn't make sense either since he's been in prison for 20 years and not likely to have been switched nor a likely target for a switch.

alki
July 22nd, 2005, 02:53 PM
gaeta's gotta be one....

i like the idea of the priestess too, forget who mentioned that one.

i wonder if the little boxie type boy could be one, where'd he go? :p

i don't see how anyone with an actual documented "human" past could be considered (like anyone who has had childhood friends, children, parents etc)

aren't the cylons just implanted with memories of pasts - they don't actually have them??

so any character whose past we don't see represented could be one. even the mad doctor himself, imho.

unlesssss -- does anyone else think that the cylons are actually clones of some sort? not metallic computer chip driven robots at all?

someone here may have already thought of that, i haven't been reading the forums long, but wouldn't that be an interesting and rather complex twist :cool: .....

Redwall
July 22nd, 2005, 05:28 PM
The human Cylons (Six, Boomer, etc) ARE clones. Hence the difficulty in making a Cylon detector...

alki
July 22nd, 2005, 05:41 PM
when have they ever been called clones in the series? they've always referred to themselves as 'models'. the humans call them machines or robots (or toasters).

and we never saw more than one of the same model all together right up until the boomer incident, and how do we know that whole deal of seeing and hearing multiple sharon's wasn't just something in her brain since she was getting ready to do her bang-bang mission.

a clone would have to mean that they are based on human DNA, not built as robots - and i haven't seen that discussed anyplace (nor mentioned in the series)

unless, of course, i missed it. but i doubt that, since i've seen all of the episodes (and some more than once :) )

Easter Lily
July 22nd, 2005, 06:52 PM
OK... I take back what I said about Starbuck...
I've been talking to hubs about who may or may not be a cylon... He doesn't think Starbuck is "strong enough" to be a cylon which is a good point... she did get a good whumping from Six.

Regarding the 12 models... You know, at the end of the mini series, Adama receives a slip of paper saying that "there are only 12 models" or something to that effect... where in the world did he get that information from? It's been puzzling me for quite some time now. Did I miss something? Is that implying something about Adama, you think? If memory serves, Six tells Baltar that there are twelve but does anyone else know this...

Redwall
July 22nd, 2005, 08:49 PM
when have they ever been called clones in the series? they've always referred to themselves as 'models'. the humans call them machines or robots (or toasters).

and we never saw more than one of the same model all together right up until the boomer incident, and how do we know that whole deal of seeing and hearing multiple sharon's wasn't just something in her brain since she was getting ready to do her bang-bang mission.

a clone would have to mean that they are based on human DNA, not built as robots - and i haven't seen that discussed anyplace (nor mentioned in the series)

unless, of course, i missed it. but i doubt that, since i've seen all of the episodes (and some more than once :) )

Watch the miniseries for a bunch of models together.

It has been referred to in episodes that the human Cylons are composed of flesh and blood just like humans. Plus, if the human Cylons were Terminator-esque cyborgs, wouldn't you expect detecting them to be simpler than an hours-long blood test? Not to mention the fact that the base stars and the raiders are organic...

The reason the Colonials continue to refer to the Cylons as robots/toasters is simply because they refuse to accept that the human Cylons are, essentially, human. They cannot fathom "humans" comitting such acts -- Starbuck and Helo have shown that multiple times.

alki
July 23rd, 2005, 06:59 PM
Watch the miniseries for a bunch of models together.

It has been referred to in episodes that the human Cylons are composed of flesh and blood just like humans. Plus, if the human Cylons were Terminator-esque cyborgs, wouldn't you expect detecting them to be simpler than an hours-long blood test? Not to mention the fact that the base stars and the raiders are organic...

The reason the Colonials continue to refer to the Cylons as robots/toasters is simply because they refuse to accept that the human Cylons are, essentially, human. They cannot fathom "humans" comitting such acts -- Starbuck and Helo have shown that multiple times.

i saw the miniseries. i don't recall seeing multiples of one model all together. (ie, no lotsa sixes, no lotsa balding-dude-that-looks-like-some-actor, who IS that guy? :rolleyes: )

the boomer thing was the first time i recall seeing multiples of one model in one place, and i'm not sure it wasn't supposed to just be part and parcle of sharon's wiggout.

oh wait, wait! i have to come back and edit...where was it when there were a few of them all walking someplace together by twos and threes? was it the episode where they come to rescue the
balding-dude-that-looks-like-some-actor one from that desolate outpost place?

i stand corrected!!

STILL, having humans saying that the cylons are made of "flesh and blood, just like us" doesn't mean that any of them have actually presumed that clonage is going on. i haven't even seen the 'good' toaster-whipped-doctor mention anything of the sort.

one would presume, with the technology of that given era, that clones would not be a far-fetched idea at all.

wierd, robots would be the ones doing the cloning of us. ewwwww. freak me right out!!!! :eek:

sorry, i must leave now to bash in this PC so it doesn't take over and start clon.....aaaaaaahhhhh.......

Vorlon-1
July 25th, 2005, 12:03 PM
This is just crazy. We are all assuming there is at least one more main character that is a cylon. I say there would be at least two. I'm Voting for Hot Dog the newb pilot and Gaeta on the bridge. NOT LEE :mad:

Blade Runner
July 25th, 2005, 12:18 PM
I kinda looking at Jammer and Dualla, both survived surrounded by dead bodies

alki
July 25th, 2005, 04:59 PM
dang, i forgot about the glowing red spine during sex thing....would that make them not be clones after all?

and for the 12 models, does that mean 12 humanoid models or 12 models total (including the raiders and the toasters) ?? cause if that's the case we could all just be spinning our wheels cause there could just be more actual robotic models....

nah, that wouldn't be any fun! :S

i'm also confused about the mind-meld thing, because obviously there were multiple models working at the same time (the two males) who KNEW that they were cylons. so is it a collective memory shared among all but the sleepers?

i can't wait til they start unravelling some of the mysteries! my head's gonna explode! like the prancing toasters!!! :eek:

keshou
July 25th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Regarding the 12 models... You know, at the end of the mini series, Adama receives a slip of paper saying that "there are only 12 models" or something to that effect... where in the world did he get that information from? It's been puzzling me for quite some time now. Did I miss something? Is that implying something about Adama, you think? If memory serves, Six tells Baltar that there are twelve but does anyone else know this...
I always assumed Baltar gave Adama the slip of paper. Baltar was freaked because he'd helped cause the demise of practically his whole civilization and I thought that was his way of trying to pass on information without implicating himself.

Of course now I think Baltar's all about his own self-interests and the delusional world he's living in. :p :D

But there's always the chance there's someone else on board who knows a lot about the Cylons. Perhaps they have a weak link. Like "Fifth". ;)

LoneStar1836
July 25th, 2005, 07:02 PM
But there’s always the chance there's someone else on board who knows a lot about the Cylons. Perhaps they have a weak link. Like "Fifth". ;)And it’s name is Boomer. :D Wasn’t she the fifth model or something?

Since I’m finally chiming in on this thread………….

Well I never believed they were clones in the sense that they were identical to humans. Somehow they are engineered to be very human-like yet still retain some aspects of their identity as a toaster creation.

My biggest question is are these models “clones” of actual humans that once lived and breathed and then were replaced with a Cylon version or are they just purely toaster creations and never had a human counterpart. I started off thinking the 12 models like Six, Boomer, Leoben, Doral, etc. were purely toaster creations, but now I’m not so sure. I do think it is possible that they could now be dabbling with DNA and creating Cylons (that are not part of the original 12) to replace a human counterpart.

I think the 12 models refers to 12 humanoid models and doesn’t include the raiders, Centurions, etc. I think they do share a collective memory, except for the sleeper ones like Galactica Boomer. Somewhere in that mind of her’s I’m sure she has access to whatever the ultimate Cylon plan is or at least I’m guessing she does, but she was programmed for a specific task or tasks such as acts of sabotage and her ultimate task of shooting Adama while still believing she was human.
I more inclined to think that the elder Adama is the more likely candidate for being the cylon... but as Kes has said, there must've been an original sometime.Well if Leoben was actually telling the truth, then of course it would be more advantageous to have the Commander be the Cylon, but I so refuse to think that he is one cause he’s practically my favorite character along with Kara and Lee. So neither of them better be Cylons either. :D But I think Leoben was lying.

Right now I think President Roslin is a possible candidate as a sleeper. I know she is tied in with the prophecy bit of the story, but still who’s to say that she was not programmed to play that part in the story. The Cylons are so hung up on scripture so why not create a model that centers around that and can lead the human race astray. And to their possible destruction. Between the two powerplayers of BSG, Adama and Roslin, Roslin would be my guess for the one to turn out to be a Cylon if either one of them is.

I do find the age thing as a constriction on who is and isn’t one that was mentioned above interesting, but I’m not quite sure it has that much of a bearing on who is and isn’t a Cylon. Do these things come fully grown when they are created or do they “grow” from a baby Cylon? I’m thinking they come fully grown so the age thing wouldn’t really be a factor, imo.

zarboki
July 26th, 2005, 07:30 AM
I think Specialist Cally has to get a look in. She bit a guy's ear off, covers for Tyrol (and Boomer...), could have tampered with that drone missile thing that killed a whole stack of pilots and has a whole suspect feel about her.
I think the "models" are not people with pasts who have been cloned but entirely new creations. This would help to explain why 6 had to go through Baltar to get defence department clearance. If she had a history it would have been easy to get the reputation herself.
The models have some form of biological difference to humans - i.e. they are not clones of humans. This was illustrated in the miniseries where the special (EM?) field around the space station caused degeneration of the Cylon's "brain". Also, there has to be a difference because Dr. Baltar's Cylon detector works - it picked up Sharon after all. It is a bit strange how much trust they put in Baltar, what with the way he keeps interacting with the air so intimately...
President Roslin has cancer. At the moment it seems like it is incurable. It would be a little strange to get someone to such an important position only to have her die from cancer. Barring a miraculous recovery I think we can safely say Roslin is human.
I doubt Gaeta is a cylon, he seems too trusting of people like Dr. Baltar and genuinely wanted to get stuck into getting the cylon detector functioning.
The Adamas - forget it. Their history is too public.
I'd be annoyed if Starbuck turned out to be a cylon and I think it is unlikely, how many pilots do you think they would pose as?

Sauron18
July 27th, 2005, 02:04 AM
I think Dee is definitly a Cylon, I love her, but I think she is, one example of why is that she is the only survivor of the Rampagin Cylons in the halls, "escapin" with only a minor injury and a concussion

LiquidBlue
July 27th, 2005, 06:46 PM
The Cylons are so hung up on scripture so why not create a model that centers around that and can lead the human race astray. And to their possible destruction.

There may be another thread about this, I'll have to check. Whatever the human form cylons are up to, it does not seem to be the destruction of the human race. (Unless for some reason the need the humans of the fleet to open the way to earth, so that the cylons can be sure that they have destroyed all of the humans.) I digress.

I believe that there is at most one more cylon among the characters that have already been introduced. It would seem to me much too cliched and tired if it were to be revealed that multiple characters, whom we already know, are cylons. For that matter has any character been revealed to be a cylon since the miniseries?

leeadamaisacylon
July 27th, 2005, 11:05 PM
[QUOTE=zarboki]I think the "models" are not people with pasts who have been cloned but entirely new creations. This would help to explain why 6 had to go through Baltar to get defence department clearance. If she had a history it would have been easy to get the reputation herself.
The models have some form of biological difference to humans - i.e. they are not clones of humans. This was illustrated in the miniseries where the special (EM?) field around the space station caused degeneration of the Cylon's "brain". Also, there has to be a difference because Dr. Baltar's Cylon detector works - it picked up Sharon after all. It is a bit strange how much trust they put in Baltar, what with the way he keeps interacting with the air so intimately...

The Adamas - forget it. Their history is too public.
[QUOTE]

Now, whoever said that the Cylons ALL had to be either clones or originals? Something tells me this isn't an either/or situation, people! Baltar's Cylon detector most likely uses the same EM field as was emitted when Leobon got sick in the mini-series (also proof that Commander isn't a Cylon, he didn't get sick). He needed a nuclear warhead for his detector, which is how they generated that field that made the Cylons all sick.

Don't forget that Lee has been gone for many years, and he just comes back to the Battlestar at the beginning of the mini-series. No one is really sure exactly what he was doing, plenty of time for replacement.

Well, the quote box is fracked up, but it's been too long of a day for me to try and fix it.

Easter Lily
July 28th, 2005, 12:17 AM
Honestly... I really don't know who is or who isn't a cylon... No doubt it's fun to speculate...and I suspect that we'll go on speculating for some time but I keep oscillating between certain persons... There are a couple of individuals like Helo and maybe Chief Tyrol that I am almost certain aren't cylon but who knows? Helo, I'm 90% sure of being a non-cylon because of his being used as a reproductive agent (to put it delicately). Of course, RDM's intention is to make us all a little paranoid... :p the idea that the enemy is among us and he/she could be our friend.


Don't forget that Lee has been gone for many years, and he just comes back to the Battlestar at the beginning of the mini-series. No one is really sure exactly what he was doing, plenty of time for replacement.

Many years...? :eek: May be that's the case in BSG AU but in the BSG that I've been watching, the operative phrase is 2 years... note conversation between Lee and Kara in the brig... During which, Lee makes captain... (Adama says, "Congratulations on making captain... sorry I couldn't be there)
Now I am fairly ignorant about military matters but I'm sure a person doesn't "make captain" by being away, "with no one unsure of what they're doing". The last I heard about something like this, it was called desertion or going AWOL, which could lead one into seriously hot soup... He must've been in service somewhere... not on the Galactica perhaps...
Now if we find out much later that Lee disappeared for say, 2 weeks, while out on some op... perhaps... and only perhaps... he could have been replaced.

I like Lee... a lot... and maybe I'm seriously deluded... but unless we are given more solid evidence, I'm happy to remain deluded in the fact that he is a wonderful human being who never asked to be a hero but becomes one anyway.

LoneStar1836
July 28th, 2005, 10:36 AM
There may be another thread about this, I'll have to check. Whatever the human form cylons are up to, it does not seem to be the destruction of the human race. (Unless for some reason the need the humans of the fleet to open the way to earth, so that the cylons can be sure that they have destroyed all of the humans.) I digress.Wiping out humans seems to be one of their goals, imo. At least the humans of the 12 Colonies. I’m not sure what they would want with the humans of Earth, if there is an Earth. I’m guessing they are hanging on to these few humans as part of their human/Cylon baby plan, but not necessarily for whatever the larger plan is. I can see them saving some humans in an attempt to convert them to their “faith” in one god, but if you don’t convert then it’s out the airlock for you.

But since I’m entertaining the idea that Roslin is a Cylon, then I’m thinking the Cylons must have some kind of interest in Earth, if there is one. Otherwise why have her be one, if not to guide the fleet towards that goal. Now whether they want to go there and wipe out the humans of Earth could be debated. I think they might would have a different plan for those humans, if say they had abandoned the belief of polytheism and had adopted monotheism. Plus they had no involvement in the creation of Cylons or the war. So maybe the Cylons would view them differently.

And then again Roslin probably won't even come close to being a Cylon. :D

Honestly I have no idea where the writers are going with this. I just have my guesses. :D It will be an interesting ride though if they can keep up this kind of quality in the writing, etc. throughout the show’s run.
I believe that there is at most one more cylon among the characters that have already been introduced. It would seem to me much too cliched and tired if it were to be revealed that multiple characters, whom we already know, are cylons.I so hope you are right. I’d be rather peeved if several of them were.
For that matter has any character been revealed to be a cylon since the miniseries?No, I don't think so.

Now, whoever said that the Cylons ALL had to be either clones or originals? Something tells me this isn't an either/or situation, people!I agree that it's probably not an either/or situation either, but I'm not sure if anyone here was putting forth the ultimatum that they could only be one or the other. I think that there is a possibility that there is a mix of both kinds. I’m just not so sure if the “12 models” are clones of another human or original creations using some slapped together human DNA or a mix of both. I’m thinking all original creations, but then again who knows. ;) I do think there is the possibility that there are/or will be other human Cylons out there beyond the 12 original models that could be clones of people.
Baltar's Cylon detector most likely uses the same EM field as was emitted when Leobon got sick in the mini-series (also proof that Commander isn't a Cylon, he didn't get sick).I’m not so sure that qualifies as proof. Leoben had been there a week or more. Adama was there no more than a day or so. So if he is one, he wasn’t there long enough for it to affect him.
I like Lee... a lot... and maybe I'm seriously deluded... but unless we are given more solid evidence, I'm happy to remain deluded in the fact that he is a wonderful human being who never asked to be a hero but becomes one anyway.Exactly. I think that’s why he’s an interesting character as a human.

Though I would probably be sympathetic towards him if he turned out to be a Cylon yet still had conflicting thoughts like both Boomers. I mean the writers really have me very conflicted about how I should feel about these Cylons like both Boomers and the Leoben Starbuck interrogated. You are supposed to hate them because they just nuked practically the entire human race and they are “machines” yet they aren’t. When Leoben was jettisoned out the airlock, I really felt like that was the wrong thing to do to him, yet it had to be done. Kind of harkens back to SG-1 and what they did to Fifth in “Unnatural Selection.” Good stuff.

leeadamaisacylon
July 28th, 2005, 07:51 PM
Many years...? :eek: May be that's the case in BSG AU but in the BSG that I've been watching, the operative phrase is 2 years... note conversation between Lee and Kara in the brig... During which, Lee makes captain... (Adama says, "Congratulations on making captain... sorry I couldn't be there)
Now I am fairly ignorant about military matters but I'm sure a person doesn't "make captain" by being away, "with no one unsure of what they're doing". The last I heard about something like this, it was called desertion or going AWOL, which could lead one into seriously hot soup... He must've been in service somewhere... not on the Galactica perhaps...
Now if we find out much later that Lee disappeared for say, 2 weeks, while out on some op... perhaps... and only perhaps... he could have been replaced

LEE
Hey.
KARA
Hey, Lee. How long's it been?
LEE
Two years. Not since the...
KARA
Funeral. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right, two years. But it seems that he has been away from everyone who really knows him personally, so no one would really notice if he got replaced at some point in those years.

priornavalperson
July 30th, 2005, 05:36 PM
Just slightly off-topics; 12 models, 12 colonies, hmm.

leeadamaisacylon
July 30th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Just slightly off-topics; 12 models, 12 colonies, hmm.

12 Colonies, 12 Lords of Kobol. Six is Aphrodite. ;) And Apollo...you all know where I'm going with this...

prodigal_phreak
August 2nd, 2005, 07:04 AM
when have they ever been called clones in the series? they've always referred to themselves as 'models'. the humans call them machines or robots (or toasters).

and we never saw more than one of the same model all together right up until the boomer incident, and how do we know that whole deal of seeing and hearing multiple sharon's wasn't just something in her brain since she was getting ready to do her bang-bang mission.

Well i think it's true that the only person who has ever referred to them as clones was Helo, but his opinion should matter considering how close he's been with one of them. Now, on the position of multiples of models together. At the end of the mini their are 3 of the each all together in the munitions depot except just one of the guy in the blue suit. Also considering that boomer is pregnant, i'm going with clones, which leaves the whole story board wide open. If they are clones, or engineered beings (like the cylon ships, and presumedly even their star ships) it could be anyone. All the cylons had to do was capture a human, grab some dna, scan their brains to get their memories and stuff, and snuff the original. So even your precious Lee could be one, mwhahahah, sorry. personally i pray that data....i mean gaita :)....isn't a cylon i like his character a lot.


prodigal_phreak

*resistance is futile, you will be assimilated

<>..<>

leeadamaisacylon
August 2nd, 2005, 06:15 PM
All the cylons had to do was capture a human, grab some dna, scan their brains to get their memories and stuff, and snuff the original. So even your precious Lee could be one, mwhahahah, sorry. personally i pray that data....i mean gaita :)....isn't a cylon i like his character a lot.

Touche on the Lee bit. I don't think Gaeta is a Cylon...it would either be Dee or him, and Dee is more likely (she was sex-obsessed in the mini).

mikeforrest2003
August 2nd, 2005, 10:23 PM
Very end of the miniseries. It's the same scene where it was revealed that "Boomer" was a Cylon.

And I counted at least 4 models of Cylons in that scene. Boomer, Six, Darl, and the guy they met on the station. Add to that the "Toaster Heads", the Raiders and possibly the transport you have 6 or 7 Cylon models revealed so far.

That means as many as six more models to be seen.

As far as where Adama got the info I think Six had told Baltar and so he would have been the source.

Jonisa
August 3rd, 2005, 06:00 AM
All the cylons had to do was capture a human, grab some dna, scan their brains to get their memories and stuff, and snuff the original.


Ok. I was with you until the...erm...scan their brains thing. Granted, we don't know yet what the Cylons are capable of, but pulling memories out of someone's brain? That's the kind of scifi that BSG, so far anyway, has avoided. Not that I dislike that kind of scifi, it just doesn't feel right for BSG, which seems to me to have a more realistic feel to it. Maybe the problem is I'm envisioning some sort of big brain-sucking machine, sort of like the one on Stargate in the episode Fire and Water, if you've seen it. I'm sure if Ron Moore's version of it, if he does go in that direction, would look quite different.

Oh well. I really, really hope that's something they can't do, because, to my mind anyway, that's incredibly lame. Do they have a personality scan too, perhaps, so that friends and family won't notice a drastic personality change when the Cylon rejoins the other humans? ;)

All of this Cylon-wondering hinges, of course, on how these humanoid Cylons are created. We don't know yet. Questions, Mr. Moore, I've got questions! :D I'm hoping they'll be answered soon. As of now, I haven't the foggiest notion of who is and isn't a Cylon, besides the ones we already know, of course. I have my theories, and characters that I hope are and aren't, but I'm far from sure about any of my thoughts. But it's fun speculating.

I'm hoping there will be more information about exactly what the humanoid Cylons are and how they're created soon, because that should clarify things...and increase the speculation, of course. :)

Sauron18
August 6th, 2005, 06:37 PM
This is what we Know on Cylon Infiltrators......(SPOILERS).......




Humano-Cylon Models

Known:
1)Aaron Doral
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC1.jpg
2)Leoben Conoy
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC2.jpg
3)Sharon Valerii
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC3.jpg
4)Number Six
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC4.jpg
5)D'anna Biers
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC5.jpg
6)Simon
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC6.jpg


My Speculations:
7)Cally
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC7.jpg
8)Gaeta
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC8.jpg
9)Elosha
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC9.jpg
10)Unknown Character
11)Unknown Character
12)Unknown Character

Carbito
August 7th, 2005, 06:13 AM
6)Simon
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/HC6.jpg

Who is that? :S

Sauron18
August 7th, 2005, 12:23 PM
As I said, its a spoiler, if you really want to know:


Spoiler! (Highlight to Read)
He is a Cylon in the new episode "The Farm" part of an experiment to impregnate human women, or something similar.

Thermonuclearboy
August 8th, 2005, 09:07 AM
Regarding Cylon-Boomer, wasn't it said somewhere that she came from some childhood tragedy? Her parents were supposedly killed when she was a girl, therefore she had no close family ties? I seem to remember someone saying that. If true, then Boomer might well have been a sleeper Cylon all along and not a clone of an original person. Without any family to track down and validate the existence of, it's not hard to imagine the Cylons just throwing a model in the middle of society with a fabricated history. Boomer would have had implanted memories of actually being a child, growing up somewhere, etc., so she would have acted like she was a real person. There wouldn't be a need to ever have had a "real" Sharon.

Trying to guess who the other sleeper models are is tricky. Let's consider what we know about the Cylons, and what their plans seem to be. The two female Cylons we've seen so far have been following a specific pattern: acquire a lover and get impregnated. Caprica-Boomer has done so, and it's implied that some model of Six has done so as well. The two male Cylons have primarily engaged in terror and subterfuge, trying to sow distrust among the humans. Conroy played mindgames with Starbuck and Roslyn, and Doral blew some stuff up. The most likely suspect for another sleeper would seem to be female, as the male Cylons seem to be more actively destructive and less likely to simply work behind the scenes. Cally and Ellen Tigh seem too obvious. I vote for Dee. That would be poignant and tragic indeed.

Easter Lily
September 28th, 2005, 02:53 AM
There's been quite a bit of discussion about who people think are cylons on the Pegasus thread... thought it would be a good time to give this thread an airing... ;)
Discuss away...

walterIsTheMan
September 28th, 2005, 03:35 AM
lol it seems like youre all on a witch-hunt to find one of the top people to be a cylon. i dont think any of them are though because they would have already done something destructive. for example:

everyone seems to suspect gaeta. in the miniseries tigh said that messing up on the FTL calculations could send them into a star. if gaeta is a cylon, he could have easily destroyed the entire fleet as he makes the jump calculations. he could have sent the entire fleet into a star or a planet or a black hole.

dee is in charge of communications. when the galactica told everyone to meet up at ragnar station why didnt she jam the coms and then say something like "theres interference from the radiation from the nukes" or something. then no one would have known where to go and they would have been slaughtered.

commander adama knows the galactica better than anyone, if he wanted it destroyed he could do it. remember how he kept going to see tighs wife off the record? if he was a cylon he could have done the same thing but instead took a nuke with him on the raptor and launched it off in the middle of the fleet. the same goes for tigh as he has almost as much access as the commander.

if the president was a cylon why did she get the fleet together in the first place? or better yet, after she had the whole fleet together, why did she order the FTL jump? remember when she had to decide whether to wait and transfer people from the sublights or to just take off now with as many people as they can? she could have said "lets stay until we get everyone on board the FTL ships" just to buy the cylons time to come in and nuke the entire fleet.

and all of these are just a few of the things these people could have done if they were cylons, so i really doubt any of them are. im still suspicious of tigh's wife, but other than that ive got no guesses, but im SURE its none of the bridge crew :p

Brigadier General Pants
September 28th, 2005, 07:29 AM
[QUOTE=Billy seems to much of a side character to be a Cylon but it's possible.QUOTE]

Doesn't that make him an ideal candidate? Kind of unassuming, but pivotal.

FoolishPleasure
September 28th, 2005, 07:35 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Balter was a Cylon.

Not sure about Madam President either. Going to be interesting how her cancer plays out. Anyone know if Mary Mc. intends to leave the series? Or does she have a longer contract?

SlytherinGal
September 28th, 2005, 02:36 PM
I think Gaeta is definately a cylon. I also think Ellen Tigh is one too just from the hint that Baltar gave. I also think Admiral Cain is a cylon, and maybe that Thorn guy (the XO of Pegasus)

People who I do not think are cylons: Lee, Kara, Baltar, Adama, Laura, Billy, Dee

Naeara
September 28th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Personally at this point I'm really not sure who else could be a Cylon. I don't think Ellen Tigh is. She just seems too obvious and yes, she's evil, but regular old human women can be horrible. That's not reserved just for Cylons. ;) The same goes for Admiral Cain. I won't be surprised if there isn't at least one Cylon on her ship though.

I think I'm pretty much alone in this one but I don't think Gaeta's a Cylon either. He's another that just strikes me as too obvious. But then when I was watching Final Cut I thought D'Anna Biers being a Cylon was too obvious and look at what she turned out to be. :rolleyes: .

Mirhadi
September 28th, 2005, 05:07 PM
I think I'm pretty much alone in this one but I don't think Gaeta's a Cylon either. He's another that just strikes me as too obvious.

Oh, you're not alone. I don't think he is a Cylon, either. And I like him too much to have him be a target on a regular basis. Also, not only is he too obvious, he is also too, keyword here, people, genuinely innocent.

MG

SG-1ssm
September 28th, 2005, 08:30 PM
[QUOTE=mikeforrest2003]1. First and most obvious: Colonel Tigh's Wife. Baltar hinted at it in the episode where she was introduced.
QUOTE]

I think she's for sure a Cylon.

@Li3n
October 1st, 2005, 07:13 AM
I really doubt that Adama, Tigh or Roslin are cylons. For one thing Adama and Tigh were there for the first war (and based on her age so was Roslin), and the human form cylons were created some time after that one ended.
Seing as BSG is trying to be as realistic as posible the cylon models, clones or not, would still have to age at a very close to normal rate (accelerated growt would lead to nasty health problems), so their max age would be 50 years.

And IMHO Ellen Tigh works better as a human then a toaster. :p

Also wasn't Boomer an orphan? And none of the other Cylons seemed to have any family! So that kinda rules out Dee :D, as we know she had a father she didn't get along with very well!

@Li3n
October 1st, 2005, 07:21 AM
Oh, you're not alone. I don't think he is a Cylon, either. And I like him too much to have him be a target on a regular basis. Also, not only is he too obvious, he is also too, keyword here, people, genuinely innocent.

Have you seen Final Cut? I doubt that innocent could describe anyone on BSG! :p
Any that scene with Gaeta in Final Cut takes him out in my mind as a posibility for Cylon agent!

Mirhadi
October 1st, 2005, 01:23 PM
Have you seen Final Cut? I doubt that innocent could describe anyone on BSG! :p
Any that scene with Gaeta in Final Cut takes him out in my mind as a posibility for Cylon agent!
Actually, I was referring to how he goes about his job and his interactions with people, including Sharon. And Final Cut? I loved that episode.... ;)

MG

ronsmytheiii
October 1st, 2005, 05:39 PM
They all are cylons, everyone in the fleet

donniepw
October 1st, 2005, 06:48 PM
Before we start asking whether Adama or Tigh or president Roslyn or even Lee is a cylon we have to ask how long have the Cylons been able to make "human" models. Tigh and Adama seem to have history going back to the waning days of the first Cylon war. Since the Cylons didn't get this technology until sometime after ward I think it is safe to rule them out. So far here is what we know about the human Cylons.
1. They are apparently a relatively new creation. Maybe within the last twenty years.
2. They have unconfirmed histories. Take Sharon for instance, orphan from an outpost with no survivors.
3. Sharon's baby is the first time a cylon has been able to reproduce. That rules out any other human/cylon half breeds running around in the fleet.
4. They aren't clones, they closely resemble flesh and blood but they aren't. Adam refers to Doral's brain as silica in the miniseries. Baltar points out that upon closer examination of the corpse after autopsy it was possible to determine the differences betwen a Cylon Human and the regular garden variety human.
I don't think they are replacing actual people with Cylon models. If that were the case the could have replaced someone who already had access to defense technology rather than going through Baltar.

With all that said, Druella seems as good a canidate as any. In Final Cut I think it was she mentions that she was adopted. There's your unconfirmed history. She fits in the age group and the Cylon models. Remember the line in the miniseries that they need to start having babies? Laura said it first and it was repeated by Adama when he was watching Dee and Billy. Could it just be coincidence that one of the Cylon objectives is to be able to have babies?

My other geuss is Baltar himself. There would be no need to put a chip in his brain if he already had a cylon brain to begin with. Aslo notice how he doesn't really have much of a history, family, friends, things a real person would have. It would also explain how he is able to know things about the Cylons without Six directly telling him. He gets the lucky geuss that the reporter was a Cylon in the miniseries. Knows exactly where to attack in the Hand of God. Knows how to create a Cylon detector. Is able to communicate with Six with no chip in his brain and get information that his deluded mind wouldn't have access to, take the baby for instance. He knew exactly how to interogate Galactica Sharon and knew that under the proper stress she could access her buried Cylon knowledge. He is my number one canidate for being a Cylon. Although I am somewhat of the opinion that he maybe a copy of the imperious leader or he may even be the incarnate version of the Cylon God and just doesn't know it. Now wouldn't that be a major twist.

Sisko197
October 2nd, 2005, 10:25 AM
Before we start asking whether Adama or Tigh or president Roslyn or even Lee is a cylon we have to ask how long have the Cylons been able to make "human" models. Tigh and Adama seem to have history going back to the waning days of the first Cylon war. Since the Cylons didn't get this technology until sometime after ward I think it is safe to rule them out. So far here is what we know about the human Cylons.
1. They are apparently a relatively new creation. Maybe within the last twenty years.
2. They have unconfirmed histories. Take Sharon for instance, orphan from an outpost with no survivors.
3. Sharon's baby is the first time a cylon has been able to reproduce. That rules out any other human/cylon half breeds running around in the fleet.
4. They aren't clones, they closely resemble flesh and blood but they aren't. Adam refers to Doral's brain as silica in the miniseries. Baltar points out that upon closer examination of the corpse after autopsy it was possible to determine the differences betwen a Cylon Human and the regular garden variety human.
I don't think they are replacing actual people with Cylon models. If that were the case the could have replaced someone who already had access to defense technology rather than going through Baltar.

With all that said, Druella seems as good a canidate as any. In Final Cut I think it was she mentions that she was adopted. There's your unconfirmed history. She fits in the age group and the Cylon models. Remember the line in the miniseries that they need to start having babies? Laura said it first and it was repeated by Adama when he was watching Dee and Billy. Could it just be coincidence that one of the Cylon objectives is to be able to have babies?

My other geuss is Baltar himself. There would be no need to put a chip in his brain if he already had a cylon brain to begin with. Aslo notice how he doesn't really have much of a history, family, friends, things a real person would have. It would also explain how he is able to know things about the Cylons without Six directly telling him. He gets the lucky geuss that the reporter was a Cylon in the miniseries. Knows exactly where to attack in the Hand of God. Knows how to create a Cylon detector. Is able to communicate with Six with no chip in his brain and get information that his deluded mind wouldn't have access to, take the baby for instance. He knew exactly how to interogate Galactica Sharon and knew that under the proper stress she could access her buried Cylon knowledge. He is my number one canidate for being a Cylon. Although I am somewhat of the opinion that he maybe a copy of the imperious leader or he may even be the incarnate version of the Cylon God and just doesn't know it. Now wouldn't that be a major twist.


Baltar cannot be a cylon UNLESS several things from the mini-series are worked around. Six was working on Baltar for ostensibly the reason of getting into the defense mainframe. Why would she need to bother IF they already had a man further and deeper into the mainframe as is? Why would they need to send a second agent to dupe their first agent and keep him from knowing it until the last second? Or when she is going through a long line of confessions, truths, and revelations, why not go ahead and tell him that?

I see only one way for this to be true then and it would explain the Six in his head not being a chip. The Six he has sex with, the Six he walked down the street with, the Six that came back, protected him, and in all ways conversed with was not real. This would make the only real Six's the one at the beginning (snapping the baby's neck) and the Six at the end that boarded the station at Ragmar or whatever it was called. This would make the Six in his head the embodiment of his Cylon agenda and a way of encapsulating the Cylon infiltrator unit into his psyche while at the same time allowing a separate, human personality to help him "get by." It is possible that all this is true because we have seen the Six in his head slam him into mirrors, grope and otherwise distract him in overtly physical ways that he could scarcely see as different from what a "real" woman would do. So she might just as easily done so in the limited scenes we saw of her in the mini-series.

This leaves only Audrey to contend with. The Six that appeared in the episode where Baltar is forced to accept his faith of God when a physical and visible-to-everyone Six appears to confirm all the wrongs he has done. Then disappears into thin air. Has any theory appeared to explain how that happened? Her glasses remained, so she was real, but no trace of her was left and she disappeared from sight of two guards set to watch her at all times.

I just don't know. It is a lot of legwork to make Baltar a cylon AND yet not. It does give us a better-organized view of how a Cylon infiltrator unit specifically a sleeper agent operates, but if he's a sleeper agent, he sure seems to consider and think on Cylons a lot.

This makes me think that the most difficult to make a cylon is the least likely based on Occum's Razor. Look for the least complications.

My theories go like this:

1) Cylons are not clones of people who lived in the 12 colonies. They are possibly clones of the original 12 "gods," but they are not clones of people who lived in the colonies, but were planted into the colonies like Boomer, the PR guy, and Xena the Reporter.

2) Cylons cannot reproduce. They can duplicate, they can mass-produce, and copy a Cylon over and over.

3) Cylons cannot copy a human being. There is something within the human being that proves impossible for them to re-engineer. I base this on the fact that we have yet to meet one human being who was human who had a Cylon copy. If you could make Cylon copies of President Adar, why bother with a cylon Sharon or a Cylon Six infiltrating defenses? Just have Adar send the fleet off on a training exercise. Easier, quicker.

4) THEREFORE, Cylons do not have family. Cylons have not been born by humans, nor two Cylons. Anyone with a family is safe from being a Cylon because thus far Cylons have proven to take great pains to get AROUND not having a family.

5) This means that both Adamas are not Cylons if either is human. If one is a Cylon, then BOTH must be.

The most likely to be Cylons are:

1) Duella - Innocent, but tough. Isolated, one of the women on board hungry for sex, and in charge of communications. She has covered for the president, she talked Adama into reuniting the fleet, and she is getting close to both the president and the old man.

2) Gaeda - Constantly doing what he's supposed to, he reminds me of the PR guy in how he might sneak his way in. He covered for Dee when she was covering the chatter that was them sneaking away the president. He was curiously positioned in the scene when Adama was shot, he seems to make mistakes at key moments and exposes their systems to a Cylon virus ostensibly to cover his own mistake that he made (quite oddly). So not only did he lose the entire fleet, but then he opened up their computers to a Cylon virus that would prove impossible to purge without completley exposing their battlestar to an enemy fleet. The only reason they escaped was because of caprica/Boomer. I think he is honestly the most likely to be a Cylon because otherwise he's just grossly incompetent.

3) Tigh's Wife - I just don't buy it. Baltar hinted that she might be, but since then she's been a conniving wench in a diehard vendetta to take over everything and gain the most power and prestige for herself. She acts so overtly human that she lacks the, "I am holier than thou" attitude of the oftentimes uppity Cylons. I honestly think that her agenda is not her own, however. Sometimes, I wonder if we don't see an angel in the Six in baltar's head and the devil in the wife of Tigh. With all the religious themes going around, I have to wonder if that isn't actually the way of it. Given how Audrey vanished into thin air and seems decidedly to be the angel of "God" and Tigh's wife seems destined to ruin Tigh (and possibly the fleet's chances anytime she has influence). And she just appeared out of nowhere, as well, thanks to supposed mysterious benefactor. Plus, she has the benefit of having been a real human being before the Cylons attacked, which according to my theories above would make her impossible to be a Cylon. A lot potentially hinges on her.

If she IS a Cylon, then literally anyone can be a Cylon because they can be cloned humans.

donniepw
October 4th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Baltar cannot be a cylon UNLESS several things from the mini-series are worked around. Six was working on Baltar for ostensibly the reason of getting into the defense mainframe. Why would she need to bother IF they already had a man further and deeper into the mainframe as is? Why would they need to send a second agent to dupe their first agent and keep him from knowing it until the last second? Or when she is going through a long line of confessions, truths, and revelations, why not go ahead and tell him that?

I see only one way for this to be true then and it would explain the Six in his head not being a chip. The Six he has sex with, the Six he walked down the street with, the Six that came back, protected him, and in all ways conversed with was not real. This would make the only real Six's the one at the beginning (snapping the baby's neck) and the Six at the end that boarded the station at Ragmar or whatever it was called. This would make the Six in his head the embodiment of his Cylon agenda and a way of encapsulating the Cylon infiltrator unit into his psyche while at the same time allowing a separate, human personality to help him "get by." It is possible that all this is true because we have seen the Six in his head slam him into mirrors, grope and otherwise distract him in overtly physical ways that he could scarcely see as different from what a "real" woman would do. So she might just as easily done so in the limited scenes we saw of her in the mini-series.

This leaves only Audrey to contend with. The Six that appeared in the episode where Baltar is forced to accept his faith of God when a physical and visible-to-everyone Six appears to confirm all the wrongs he has done. Then disappears into thin air. Has any theory appeared to explain how that happened? Her glasses remained, so she was real, but no trace of her was left and she disappeared from sight of two guards set to watch her at all times.

I just don't know. It is a lot of legwork to make Baltar a cylon AND yet not. It does give us a better-organized view of how a Cylon infiltrator unit specifically a sleeper agent operates, but if he's a sleeper agent, he sure seems to consider and think on Cylons a lot.

This makes me think that the most difficult to make a cylon is the least likely based on Occum's Razor. Look for the least complications.

My theories go like this:

1) Cylons are not clones of people who lived in the 12 colonies. They are possibly clones of the original 12 "gods," but they are not clones of people who lived in the colonies, but were planted into the colonies like Boomer, the PR guy, and Xena the Reporter.

2) Cylons cannot reproduce. They can duplicate, they can mass-produce, and copy a Cylon over and over.

3) Cylons cannot copy a human being. There is something within the human being that proves impossible for them to re-engineer. I base this on the fact that we have yet to meet one human being who was human who had a Cylon copy. If you could make Cylon copies of President Adar, why bother with a cylon Sharon or a Cylon Six infiltrating defenses? Just have Adar send the fleet off on a training exercise. Easier, quicker.

4) THEREFORE, Cylons do not have family. Cylons have not been born by humans, nor two Cylons. Anyone with a family is safe from being a Cylon because thus far Cylons have proven to take great pains to get AROUND not having a family.

5) This means that both Adamas are not Cylons if either is human. If one is a Cylon, then BOTH must be.

The most likely to be Cylons are:

1) Duella - Innocent, but tough. Isolated, one of the women on board hungry for sex, and in charge of communications. She has covered for the president, she talked Adama into reuniting the fleet, and she is getting close to both the president and the old man.

2) Gaeda - Constantly doing what he's supposed to, he reminds me of the PR guy in how he might sneak his way in. He covered for Dee when she was covering the chatter that was them sneaking away the president. He was curiously positioned in the scene when Adama was shot, he seems to make mistakes at key moments and exposes their systems to a Cylon virus ostensibly to cover his own mistake that he made (quite oddly). So not only did he lose the entire fleet, but then he opened up their computers to a Cylon virus that would prove impossible to purge without completley exposing their battlestar to an enemy fleet. The only reason they escaped was because of caprica/Boomer. I think he is honestly the most likely to be a Cylon because otherwise he's just grossly incompetent.

3) Tigh's Wife - I just don't buy it. Baltar hinted that she might be, but since then she's been a conniving wench in a diehard vendetta to take over everything and gain the most power and prestige for herself. She acts so overtly human that she lacks the, "I am holier than thou" attitude of the oftentimes uppity Cylons. I honestly think that her agenda is not her own, however. Sometimes, I wonder if we don't see an angel in the Six in baltar's head and the devil in the wife of Tigh. With all the religious themes going around, I have to wonder if that isn't actually the way of it. Given how Audrey vanished into thin air and seems decidedly to be the angel of "God" and Tigh's wife seems destined to ruin Tigh (and possibly the fleet's chances anytime she has influence). And she just appeared out of nowhere, as well, thanks to supposed mysterious benefactor. Plus, she has the benefit of having been a real human being before the Cylons attacked, which according to my theories above would make her impossible to be a Cylon. A lot potentially hinges on her.

If she IS a Cylon, then literally anyone can be a Cylon because they can be cloned humans.
You make some very excellent points. I agree with you on why certain members of the Galactica are definately not Cylons. I also have to say you give some very compelling arguements as to why Baltar may be a Cylon and yet may not. But being that he seems to be so heavily tied into whatever their agenda is it's hard to not suspect him. It would fit if as you point out the Six we have seen interact with Baltar was always just in his head and he has never actually physically interacted with this woman out side of Six Degrees. But I readily admit he may just be a patsy as well. He is still on my list though.

Kaija
October 4th, 2005, 07:33 PM
There are only four people I'm convinced are not Cylons: Helo, Tyrol and Baltar, only because they've all slept with a Cylon, and Starbuck because the Cylons attempted to impregnate her.

Personally, my money's on Zak being a Cylon. I don't think Leoben is lying, and Zak is an Adama. Plus, having someone so close to three major players in the fleet would be a serious advantage to the Cylons.

LoneStar1836
October 4th, 2005, 08:44 PM
Personally, my money's on Zak being a Cylon. I don't think Leoben is lying, and Zak is an Adama. Plus, having someone so close to three major players in the fleet would be a serious advantage to the Cylons.Umm….I’m pretty sure Zak is dead? ;)

It would be a dead giveaway that he was a Cylon if he showed up. Now on the other hand, their reactions to him might be interesting, but that would mean that CylonZak would have to be a clone of the original Zak. And right now it’s still indeterminate if human Cylons are clones of people that once existed or are purely original creations.

SlytherinGal
October 4th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Umm….I’m pretty sure Zak is dead? ;)

It would be a dead giveaway that he was a Cylon if he showed up. Now on the other hand, their reactions to him might be interesting, but that would mean that CylonZak would have to be a clone of the original Zak. And right now it’s still indeterminate if human Cylons are clones of people that once existed or are purely original creations.

yea, Zak is dead...he was killed while flying...it is said in the mini-series.