asguard beam/wraith ship loophole (spoilers)

[Ragnarok13]

after the dedalus arrives it nukes a ship by beaming one in to the hanger, then after the first wraith attack, the dedalus goes after the seconed wave, they nuke 2, then the wraith find a way to stop us from beaming onto their ships. so heres my idea, the wraith have no shields so how about we just beam a nuke near the ship(a few feet, yards, miles,etc.) and set it to 1 sec so they dont have time to get away or blow it . a nuke's a nuke

[Qasim]

They still have a numerical advantage unless we can nuke them all at the same time

[LORD MONK]

I thought we where just getting bombed on and bailed. Did they say that they couldn't beam the nukes anymore?

[AGateFan]

after the dedalus arrives it nukes a ship by beaming one in to the hanger, then after the first wraith attack, the dedalus goes after the seconed wave, they nuke 2, then the wraith find a way to stop us from beaming onto their ships. so heres my idea, the wraith have no shields so how about we just beam a nuke near the ship(a few feet, yards, miles,etc.) and set it to 1 sec so they dont have time to get away or blow it . a nuke's a nuke

I was thinking this too, kinda like how Sherridan took out the Mimbari ship on B5 (he hid a nuke in an astroid field and then set off a distress signal to lure the enemy in - which would work with the wraith too I think - but I digress). However, in the Atlantis universe it does not appear Nukes have much power unless they are sitting right on top of or inside whatever they have to blow up. Theoretically if the bomb went off anywhere with in a mile or so it should do some kind of damage. Certainly the Dart that shot down the nuke should have been distroyed, but what can you do different universe, different rules.

[tlfoust]

This was discussed earlier, maybe in the "Daedalus a disapointment?" thread. Hermiod said that they were enacting countermeasures that prevented him from beaming, which implies that the beaming itself was jammed. The exact quote is in that thread somewhere.

[GateMan2000]

This was discussed earlier, maybe in the "Daedalus a disapointment?" thread. Hermiod said that they were enacting countermeasures that prevented him from beaming, which implies that the beaming itself was jammed. The exact quote is in that thread somewhere.

Good point...The only way the Daedalus can gain the upper hand is if they can do multiple beams with a cloaked ship. Then they would stand a good match against 12 Hive ships.

[gopher65]

Theoretically if the bomb went off anywhere with in a mile or so it should do some kind of damage. Certainly the Dart that shot down the nuke should have been distroyed, but what can you do different universe, different rules.

1) A nuke is not like an Antimatter weapon. If a nuke isn't actively detonated, nothing much happens (hence the current development of the US anti-ICBM defense net).

2) Most of the damage done by a nuclear weapon is from the concusive shockwave created by the radation imparting massive amounts of energy to large amounts of atmophere. In a near-total vaccum, a nuke would do very little. Remember, EM radation decreases X^(1/2) as distance increases (IIRC).

EDIT: typo

[Ouroboros]

For reasons, some fo which gopher65 already stated, beaming a nuke into an enemy ship is going to be a lot more effective.

-You bypass the external armour
-You can pick a good spot like the reactor core/hanger to set of secondary explosions
-100% of the nukes power is transferred to the target
-The nuke energy is trapped inside the ship so can't be deflected or ablated away. It's like holding a cherry bomb inside your fist.
-The presense of atmosphere increases the destructive potential of the nuke even further
-Warships would be built and braced to ward off impacts coming from the outside not the inside. Think of bracing yourself against a door someone is trying to push open. Now the door and person pushing vanishes and in the same second some one pushes you from behind. You're going to land on your nose most likely because you're braced in the wrong direction.

It's possible, and quite likely given that the Wraith ships sustain extreme accelerations and exposure to space based radiation, that setting off the bomb outside of one of their ships would have done comparitively nothing.

[NXds]

Yea or they can just take a cloak off a PJ and install it on the Dedalus which shouldnt be that hard sence they where able to cloak a huge city. The Dedalus would then be able to go hunting/nuking 24/7. Im also pretty sure the wraith wouldnt be able to counter measure what they cant see. Would this give Earth a upper hand sence most huge ships cant cloak. We might be able to trade it with the Asgard for some weapons or at least to take off the gay teleporting restriction crap off and add a few more so we could teleport 2-3 things at a time.

[kashi]

Also, the cloaking technology could be used on the Daedalus which would allow nukes to be beamed onto the wraith ships without risk of counter attack.

[NXds]

A little late kashi.

[Steve_the_Wraith]

Since the Wraith know that the Taur'i possess cloaking tech I'd guess that the counter-measures against beaming are permanent not just switched on when they detect a ship

Does anyone know if you can even beam through a cloak

[Qasim]

Unlikely as they asked Sheppard to decloak

[Ganjaman]

they asked him to decloak so they would know where he is so they can lock on to him to beam him. If you know exactly where to beam to/from then a cloak won't stop you, it's not a barrier like a shield it just makes you invisible to sensors.

[Qasim]

If he was invisible to sensors then how did they know he was there?