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Scoobing
July 18th, 2005, 01:59 PM
The fictional profanity is a good idea, and helps to sell the fact that these are not humans we know from Earth, it is a different group of people, although they share many of our traits and looks, it reminds us they are just that little bit different. Also means they don't need to swear. :)

I was just thinking that the word 'frack' is perhaps being used too often on BSG.

With any profanity, use it too often and it loses it's power. Last season, especially early on, I think it was used more spairingly and therefore had a greater effect on me when it was used. I think I am becoming used to it now.

It was said quite often in 'Shattered' which first got me thinking about it.

I would hope that they either cut down on it's use, or get another word or two to go along with 'frack'. It's overuse could be it's downfall and lead to it just becoming another word that we expect to hear the characters say in a situation.

Thoughts?

Vala
July 18th, 2005, 02:34 PM
I agree... the first episode I watched I was like "dude you guys use that word ALOT" but whatever... I think they should make up other words to go along with it so it doesn't seem like they are JUST replacing the f word for it.

buckner
July 18th, 2005, 02:35 PM
wasnt "frack" in judge dread?

Blade Runner
July 18th, 2005, 02:41 PM
You have to realise it's a reflection of life on board an Aircraft carrier where "****" is used every second word so obviously it looses it's impact, thats why its done

Vala
July 18th, 2005, 03:41 PM
wasnt "frack" in judge dread?
Frak was used in the first version of BSG so if it was used in JD (which i wouldn't know i completly forgot) it could be arguably taken from the original... however to be truthfull Frak is just a basterdized version of the f word that is as old as dirt.

Scoobing
July 18th, 2005, 04:01 PM
Sorry, I spelt it wrong, well it can be the updated version for the remake. :)

Jeff O'Connor
July 18th, 2005, 04:49 PM
You have to realise it's a reflection of life on board an Aircraft carrier where "****" is used every second word so obviously it looses it's impact, thats why its done

Agreed.

LoneStar1836
July 18th, 2005, 11:45 PM
Good question you raise there, Scoobing.

At this point, I don’t think it’s over used. In that I don't think it has saturated the show.

I’m generally not a big fan of swearing on TV, but it does have its usefulness in certain situations. I think society is becoming desensitized to it, so we will see it used more and more. That’s why I think swearing can be overused on TV and lose it’s impact and thus people just don’t notice. Maybe that’s why I don’t think it’s used too much because it already has somewhat lost its impact with me. *shrug*

I agree with Blade Runner and that that’s why they use it as freely as they do - to minimize its impact. We are generally in a military setting, and I’m guessing people in the military probably swear more than my mom, who does her fair share. For me it depends on the context and setting it’s used. When watching movies dealing with the military or combat situations, I expect the words to fly. If they didn’t, I’d probably notice. Now if I’m watching some comedy, and every other word is f you, etc. then for me it gets old quick because it has lost it’s impact and they are just cursing to curse.

These people are in a stressful situation. Who wouldn’t curse? Especially the pilots who face death every time they go out to defend the fleet. Cursing becomes second nature.

As long as they don’t have Commander Adama use frak in every other sentence. President Roslin either. With him being in the top leadership position and kind of father figure, I don’t really think it’s appropriate to have him always let loose with the expletives. I expect him to conduct himself better even though he is hardcore military. And I really expect the President to not use that kind of language, especially not in public. Though I can’t blame her if she does slip one now and again. So I do notice when either of them says frak.

Maybe it’s increased use doesn’t bother me cause having watched Farscape where they used “frell” just causes me to not perk up and take note when they say “frak”. So I guess you could say it has lost its impact with me, if it ever had any impact to begin with. I expected them to curse. So when they did, it wasn’t shocking.

Vorlon-1
July 19th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I think they use it more in the commercials now than in the actual episodes. I haven't noticed it too much but I'm pretty much blown away and in awe to take it all in the first time :p

alki
July 22nd, 2005, 03:01 PM
what the frack?!

why the frack would you frackin think that? i mean, for frack's sake....who frackin' cares?

ok, maybe it frackin is frackin overused, but given the frackin quality of the frackin show, i don't frackin care......

:p :) ;) :p

Egeria
July 22nd, 2005, 03:11 PM
wasnt "frack" in judge dread?

Can't remember "frack" in JD, I might be mistaken though. I know they use the word "drok".

MarshAngel
July 22nd, 2005, 03:40 PM
I didn't watch the season while it was on but I did watch most of the marathon and I really think they overdid it on the frack. It's a good idea but it just seems if you use it too often it just begins to grate, get stale and turn silly.

Skydiver
July 22nd, 2005, 05:14 PM
i do think they are using it too much

used sparingly, it's a great expletive, but 10 times in a sentence????

b-o-r-i-n-g!!!

sg1 volgman
July 22nd, 2005, 05:25 PM
they don't use it that much. Maybe once every 3 or 4 sentences isn't that much.

Madeleine
July 22nd, 2005, 09:49 PM
Thinking on the people I know who most often use swear-words, they only really use three. But I don't know any swearing people who restrict themselves to a single word.

Farscape had Frag and Dren, right? I wonder why the translator microbes left didn't translate them into Anglo-Saxon...

lazerbrain
July 23rd, 2005, 01:06 PM
In real life, people swear but they don't always say the same thing over and over. That's kinda the point people are getting at. Maybe they need to introduce some different "swear" words. Farscape had lots of swear words: frell, dren, hesmatta, far bots, and others. I think that it's the one words over and over that gets everyone. Also putting frack in every other sentance in the promo doesn't help any either.

keshou
July 23rd, 2005, 01:11 PM
I do think they're starting to overuse it a little.

Especially noticed it in last night's episode "Valley of Darkness".

There was an odd instance when it was combined as "mother fracker". I don't know - it just struck me as way too much of a play on OUR slang and it even became a point of conversation in the scene.

Little bit too much of an "aren't we cute" moment. :p :)

DigiFluid
July 24th, 2005, 10:03 PM
The word has been massively overused.

Throughout the first season, it struck me as a cute little "we're going to curse but get past the censors anyway" thing.

Now it completely kills whatever scene it's in. I love my BSG, it sucks me in like nothing else on television. But whenever that word is said on the show, I'm immediately snapped back to the reality that it's just a television show, where the writers appear to be getting lazy with their dialogue.

alki
July 25th, 2005, 07:36 AM
The word has been massively overused.

Throughout the first season, it struck me as a cute little "we're going to curse but get past the censors anyway" thing.

Now it completely kills whatever scene it's in. I love my BSG, it sucks me in like nothing else on television. But whenever that word is said on the show, I'm immediately snapped back to the reality that it's just a television show, where the writers appear to be getting lazy with their dialogue.


i agree completely. BSG is one of my all-time favorite TV shows and for whatever reason nothing last season bothered me in any way, and now i find myself getting nitpicky (like with all the Bright Red Blood on kobol and the adama-was-nearly-moses scene). i guess my expectations are pretty high when it comes to the dialogue, action and effects. and hel--frack, it's their fault for making such great show in the first place. :)

i've noticed from reading posts here that there are alot of eloquent sorts who take the show very, very seriously. myself, i still think of it as a form of entertainment first and foremost.

i've never been one to wax poetical about my favorite shows (bsg, rescue me, nip tuck, firefly and buffy and angel may they RIP) and although i can be fanatic about getting to watch them and letting people know how good they are, i still know that they are just TV shows and meant to entertain. i guess i need to be able to notice the faults or i'd get waaay too sucked in and become some sort of TV show cult member :eek: :)

Vala
July 25th, 2005, 11:28 AM
.

Farscape had Frag and Dren, right? I wonder why the translator microbes left didn't translate them into Anglo-Saxon... Farscape used FRELL as the F word... FRAG was only used once by John and also as the name of the Peacekeepers ships weaponry "Frag-cannons" other than that they had upwards of 10 words that could be replaced as expletives Frell was the most commonly used, mostly after Chiana showed up though.

Jonathan Hill
July 25th, 2005, 04:17 PM
I don't think it is overused, maybe it just seems that way compared to TV shows. In real life especially when things are as fracked up as the situation on BSG I would expect a lot of swearing. I do think there would be other words used as people do tend to use more than one swear word and can get quite creative in combinations. But really I think it only seems that it gets used a lot but that the comparison is to the sanitised TV world we are used to seeing where no-one swears which in my opinion is completely unrealistic.

Scoobing
July 25th, 2005, 05:56 PM
Perhaps the solution would be to have more than one fictional profanity, thus allowing options on which one to use given the situation, as we do in real life. We don't say the F-word when we drop a pen, well sometimes we might, but we may say "oh bugger".

This would allow frack to be used at the worst situations, and give some of it's power back.

Thoughts?

Egeria
July 25th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Perhaps the solution would be to have more than one fictional profanity, thus allowing options on which one to use given the situation, as we do in real life. We don't say the F-word when we drop a pen, well sometimes we might, but we may say "oh bugger".

This would allow frack to be used at the worst situations, and give some of it's power back.

Thoughts?

You've hit the nail on the head there Scoobing. We have a large vocabuulary of profane words, used in different settings and carrying greater or lesser degrees of meaning. BSG, however, seems to be relying on this one word, or other plays on that word, and to be honest it's boring. It just doesn't seem right. You would imagine that if 'Frak' meant what we thinks it means, then there would be other, lesser profane words that would be used for more minor situations. If the chaps in BSG are going to curse, which in the situations they find themselves in, I readily accept, you would imagine that there was more than one 'word' to use.

LoneStar1836
July 25th, 2005, 07:25 PM
Especially noticed it in last night's episode "Valley of Darkness".

There was an odd instance when it was combined as "mother fracker". I don't know - it just struck me as way too much of a play on OUR slang and it even became a point of conversation in the scene.

Little bit too much of an "aren't we cute" moment. :p :)At first I thought those two might have been ad-libbing that considering RDM said they had ad-libbed some stuff in Scattered, but apparently that was scripted after listening to the podcast. It did really stick out cause it was rather odd to hear combined like that. Though I couldn’t help but grin when Tyrol laughed.

I do think they could mix it up a little and include some more words. We need some variety in our swearing. :D

Scoobing
July 26th, 2005, 01:08 AM
There was an odd instance when it was combined as "mother fracker". I don't know - it just struck me as way too much of a play on OUR slang and it even became a point of conversation in the scene.


Agreed. That kind of rubbed it in our faces as to what the word represented, whereas before it could have meant "Fiddlesticks".

Gargen
July 26th, 2005, 01:14 AM
yea if you were on the run from a bunch of evil tin cans out to kill you and they are doing a damned good job so far, i think you would swear alot, also you should here the **** that comes out of my mouth i once during a normal conersation was clocked at 2 ****s/min (i didnt have any idea i was being counted and timed) so yea its just war time and some people just swear alot (if you notice starbuck is the one who contributes the most 'fracks')

LoneStar1836
August 3rd, 2005, 12:48 PM
Out of curiosity, and well, mostly out of boredom, :D I looked to see just how many times “frak” or a variation of frak was used in each episode. Got my episode transcripts from here (http://www.sadgeezer.com/html/Sections+index-req-viewarticle-artid-128-page-1.html) and the mini here (http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/battlestar/) , so don’t blame me if the guy did a pitiful job transcribing the ep. and missed some fraks. Or if he mispelled it since I just did a key word search for "frak" and didn't actually read through them. ;) Kind of surprising to me cause I thought it was used more than it actually was.

Mini-Series
Socinus - 1
Starbuck - 4
Dee - 1
Commander Adama - 1
Nameless pilot - 1
Leoben - 2
Refinery Capt. - 1
Cally - 1

Season 1:

“33”
Galactica Boomer - 1
Starbuck - 2
Crashdown - 1

“Water”
CapricaBoomer - 1

“Bastille Day”
Helo - 1
Baltar - 2 (in a row)
Cally - 1
Starbuck - 1

“Act of Contrition”
Helo - 1
Starbuck - 3

“You Can’t Go Home Again”
Starbuck - 4
Commander Adama - 1
Tigh - 1
Hotdog - 4 (all in a row)
Apollo - 1

“Litmus”
Socinus - 1

“Six Degrees of Separation”
Baltar - 3
Starbuck - 1
Tyrol - 1

“Flesh and Bone”
Starbuck - 3

“Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down”
Helo - 2
CapricaBoomer - 1
Baltar - 1
Ellen - 1
Commander Adama - 1

“Hand of God”
Crashdown - 1
Starbuck - 3
Helo -1
Baltar - 1
Kat - 3
Chuckles - 1

“Colonial Day”
Radio Engineer - 1
McManus - 1
Helo - 1
Apollo - 1

“KLG I”
Baltar - 1
GalacticaBoomer - 2
Helo - 1
Apollo - 1

“KLG II”
Racetrack - 1

Season 2:

“Scattered”
Apollo - 2
Crashdown - 1
GalacticaBoomer - 1
Tyrol - 1
Tigh - 1
Gaeta - 1
Kat - 1

“Valley of Darkness”
Cally - 1
Tyrol - 1 - repeating Cally
Bonnington (Marine) - 1
Tigh - 1
Jammer - 1

“Fragged”
Tigh - 2
Crashdown - 3
Baltar - 1

Episode Totals:

Mini-Series = 12
“33” = 4
“Water” = 1
“Bastille Day” = 5
“Act of Contrition” = 4
“Can’t Go Home Again” = 11
“Litmus” = 1
“Six Degrees of Separation” = 5
“Flesh and Bone” = 3
“Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down” = 6
“Hand of God” = 10
“Colonial Day” = 4
“KLG I” = 5
“KLG II” = 1
“Scattered” = 8
“Valley of Darkness” = 5
“Fragged” = 6

Mini-Series (12) + Season 1 (60) + 1st 3 eps of Season 2 (19) = 91

Character Totals:

Starbuck = 21
Baltar = 9
Helo = 7
Crashdown = 6
Tigh = 5
Apollo = 5
GalacticaBoomer = 4
Hotdog = 4
Kat = 4
Commander Adama = 3
Cally = 3
Tyrol = 3
CapricaBoomer = 2
Leoben = 2
Socinus = 2
Ellen = 1
Gaeta = 1
Jammer = 1
Dee = 1
Racetrack = 1
Chuckles = 1
Random people = 5

Blade Runner
August 3rd, 2005, 02:50 PM
I don't even notice it anymore

Scoobing
August 3rd, 2005, 04:46 PM
And do you think that is a bad thing?

coolove
August 3rd, 2005, 09:45 PM
Damn, well frack must be Starbuck's favorite word.

I don't think it's being overused if done correctly. The word tends to catch on. I caught myself saying it yesterday without realizing it. My friends just looked at me. I was like "what?" Then, lightblub. I usually just say "****."