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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 309</FONT>
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SG-1 discovers a military camp where young men are trained to impersonate S.G.C. personnel to infiltrate Earth.

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bcmilco
June 8th, 2004, 06:05 PM
A fair episode IMO, but nothing to write home about ;)

One good thing did come out of it thought; Technology, specifically Intars. :)

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 06:26 PM
Those SG impersonaters were kind of... blah, just sense my negativity towards them. I liked the episode though :)

SeaBee
June 11th, 2004, 02:20 PM
A fair episode IMO, but nothing to write home about ;)

One good thing did come out of it thought; Technology, specifically Intars. :)
I agree. The Intars are definately a clever idea. It's also nice to see them pop up in later eps. Too many bits of tech. appear once, then disappear.

I also agree with your assessment of the ep., good but not great.

Crazedwraith
June 11th, 2004, 02:26 PM
I agree. The Intars are definately a clever idea. It's also nice to see them pop up in later eps. Too many bits of tech. appear once, then disappear.

I also agree with your assessment of the ep., good but not great.

Intars. Short for? Intar. Funny exchange, Especially in light of Jack shortening of Zat'nik'atel and Teal'c's of Tacunitamguinwhateverthehellitwas. Refreshing change to have a Goa'uld tech that you could say the whole thing without it sounding weird.

They SG-X teams weren't very faithful though were they? They see Apophisis die and they accept it? Where were the cries of "Forgery"?

Mr Prophet
June 11th, 2004, 03:44 PM
Article of faith: What the vo'cume shows you is Apophis' truth. If nothing else, seeing the fella die is going to be a cause of some cognitive dissonance.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Not a great episode but it did introduce some cool goa'uld tech... like in'tars.

I like the big holographic apophis.

It kinda looked kinda the Alpha site

Genty
July 28th, 2004, 10:57 AM
One of the best eps in Season 3....

Maybe i'm just an action junkie...

Anubis
July 28th, 2004, 12:41 PM
Action is goooooooooood. :D

Genty
July 28th, 2004, 01:25 PM
Aye definatly... Its probabaly why i didnt greatly enjoy S3... Not by far the most action packed season...

Anubis
July 28th, 2004, 03:05 PM
I did like this episode. Seeing them training in combat

Bagpuss
August 13th, 2004, 06:00 PM
I found plenty to like :Rogers,Nelson,the whole thing between Teal'c and Jack,where Teal'c got the chance to call Jack "Underling" and the problem of proving Apophis was dead .
Loved the Tuna sandwich scene ! :D

Crazedwraith
August 14th, 2004, 01:59 AM
That whole "invasion fo the tau'ri" thing has been cancelled due to........rain.

I liked this episode by no means one of the best ever by a good solid one. IMHO of course.

Anubis
August 14th, 2004, 04:47 AM
I found plenty to like :Rogers,Nelson,the whole thing between Teal'c and Jack,where Teal'c got the chance to call Jack "Underling" and the problem of proving Apophis was dead .
Loved the Tuna sandwich scene ! :D



lol The tuna sandwich scene was great. It cracked me up. Gets a bit old after a while though.

MadJaffa
January 5th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Believe it or not, this is the only episode ever aired (including It's Good to Be King) that I have never seen. I just always missed it in re-runs.

I just saw it, and loved it. It makes me shed a tear for the 'ol Stargate, boy I home they make some of those TV movies set in season 2.

Madeleine
February 19th, 2005, 10:51 PM
My Dad told me something the other day which made me think of this episode. He says that in the Cold War era there were entire villages and towns in the USSR which were mock-ups of English towns, where all the road-signs and achitecture and everything were english and where trainee spies could walk into the pub and ask for a pint of the usual and chat about Preston North End's chances in the cup this year or whatever.

Nothing is new under the sun, it seems! But it's funny to think that Apophis was just re-doing what the russians used to do.

Agent_Dark
February 19th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Carter in full combat gear, camo paint and all is a win in my book :D

SmartFox
March 14th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Intars are sweet.
This ep reinforces the fact about how horribly the Goa'uld rule. Apophis has been dead for awhile and yet people are still training to fight for him. They are so willing they will die for him and ironically he is already dead.

Evil Emperor Zurg
March 17th, 2005, 11:15 AM
I love the line when Tea'lc goes "this is colonel O'Neill he is much loved by Apophis" the look on Jack's face is funny :D

QuiGonJohn
May 6th, 2005, 12:44 PM
I liked this episode too. I thought their camp was made to look a lot like MASH, expecially the flagpole with the stones around it.

Perriman33
August 8th, 2005, 06:29 AM
Not a lot you can say about this episode SG1 came ,saw, and sorted it out. :rolleyes: I liked the idea behind it and it took me a while to work out what was going on. Some funny lines in it as well. :)

Ascendant
September 1st, 2005, 03:10 AM
I thought it was a little weird how quick SG-1 was to jump in and try to help those people...it almost seems like they automatically forget that the trainees are mini-Jaffa training to kill them, just because they're wearing Air Force uniforms and have American names.

Of course it all turned out all right in the show, but it seems like that kind of morality-driven naivete could get them in some serious trouble. It's not really consistent with other episodes, and I wonder if it's because the American-ness of the soldiers got SG-1's guard down. And it's a danged good thing that Apophis's supposedly loyal servants are willing to betray his cause for tuna sandwiches. ....Mmmmmmm. Tuuuuunaaaa......

But I do love that shot with the Big Honkin' Apophis standing in front of the gloriously waving American flag. "I pledge allegience to the flag, and the great system lord Apophis..."

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 04:00 AM
Not a lot you can say about this episode SG1 came ,saw, and sorted it out. I liked the idea TPTB had. Some funny lines in it as well mainy comeing from Jack....suprise...suprise!

Tezzador
September 8th, 2005, 05:36 AM
I thought it was a little weird how quick SG-1 was to jump in and try to help those people...it almost seems like they automatically forget that the trainees are mini-Jaffa training to kill them, just because they're wearing Air Force uniforms and have American names.

Of course it all turned out all right in the show, but it seems like that kind of morality-driven naivete could get them in some serious trouble. It's not really consistent with other episodes, and I wonder if it's because the American-ness of the soldiers got SG-1's guard down. And it's a danged good thing that Apophis's supposedly loyal servants are willing to betray his cause for tuna sandwiches. ....Mmmmmmm. Tuuuuunaaaa......

But I do love that shot with the Big Honkin' Apophis standing in front of the gloriously waving American flag. "I pledge allegience to the flag, and the great system lord Apophis..."

Yea, and the "captured" jaffa even regards Hammond as his commanding officer even though he knows Hammond is supposed to be his enemy. This shows how brainwashed or how deep they are into USA's military style.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 08:44 PM
An alright eppy...........(notice how they saved money by not showing the Stargate "off-world"?).........interesting story angle

captain jake
June 3rd, 2006, 12:37 AM
when the team first arrives rogers treats them like they are part of a different camp or something. Wouldnt he be able to tell that they are adults?.

desert fox
June 13th, 2006, 04:37 AM
Those SG team imposters were impressive. As previously pointed out in this thread that camp was like replica of KGB training camps during Cold War era where American/British culture was being taught. And I like giant Apophis.

There are a few plot holes through. How would those trainee SGC imposter Jaffas enter SGC without Iris codes after their training ? ( unless they took them from SG team they killed ) Besides why didn't they have a communication device to keep contact with Apophis ? ( those cool looking sphares ) And I throught that after death of Apophis , his assets ( rest of his fleet , army etc ) were shared by rest of the Gou'old. Maybe those trainee Jaffas were left forgotten there.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 10:20 PM
i liked the idea of this episode i think it was brilliant and the idea of apophis creating it its just brilliant

camelao
July 7th, 2007, 12:21 PM
this seriado and of first line.

Crichiel
January 22nd, 2008, 07:37 AM
Still making my way through S3 comments. This one is one I forget about a lot. I thought there were some great lines (mostly when SG-1 was 'dead'), and the story idea was interesting, but there is nothing in this ep that makes me take it out and watch it. I just catch it on TV every once in a while. I give it a 6/10

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 02:16 AM
I wasn't really fond of this episode, I don't believe that those kids would all stay there after their masters had gone. I can buy the fact that a few of them would stick around, but without Jaffa masters they would have a ton of problems. There would be kids trying to run away, fights breaking out between the different camps, and most importantly they would start to starve to death. I don't think they could have held it together for as long as they did without reinforcement from their masters.

I wonder if Apophis ever went back to that planet after he takes over Sokar's fleet. I mean they were trained specifically for infiltration of the SGC. What worries me though is if he went around to the different planets and punished or recruited all of the kid's that had left his training camp.

HelloVelo
July 2nd, 2008, 03:23 PM
"Corn and Cotton are indigenous to North America."

Rating: 6/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/rules-of-engagement.html

captain jake
July 3rd, 2008, 03:39 AM
"Corn and Cotton are indigenous to North America."


Oh, and I have to mention that Sam looked extra foxy in camouflage face paint.

In my opinion you couldn't really tell the difference between Jack ans Sam when they had that camouflage paint on their faces. If you thought she looked extra foxy, than you have some weird taste.

L E E
July 8th, 2008, 07:34 AM
I liked the action. I really liked when Jack whacked Rogers upside the head when he wouldn't listen. Lots Jack scenes that I enjoyed.

However, the idea is not that interesting to me. I question the loyalty of these trainees. Especially Rogers. He already knew that SG1 is from the Tauri. Why trust them just because they showed a video of Apophis dying? There are Jaffa out there that still loyal to Apophis even after his demise. Why are these trainees different?

Are these trainees loyal since birth to Apophis? Did they willingly join Apophis army?

plague
July 8th, 2008, 03:42 PM
I would have preffered if they showed that the SG-X teams had some kind of denial reaction. No matter what they see, believing on something and suddenly knowing it is not true cannot be so easily accepted.

L E E
July 17th, 2008, 10:31 PM
I would have preffered if they showed that the SG-X teams had some kind of denial reaction. No matter what they see, believing on something and suddenly knowing it is not true cannot be so easily accepted.

I agree. I was quite surprised by their acceptance. But maybe, they were just too shocked?

pritnep
August 19th, 2008, 12:37 AM
Before I watched the episode I thought it was a boring one, I think I got it confused with the one where an alien pretends to be a member of SG1. Anyway I really like this episode.

I thought it was an interesting idea and played out pretty well. Intars where cool, I hope an SG unit went back and took all the weapons that they had, be great for training SG teams.


I wasn't really fond of this episode, I don't believe that those kids would all stay there after their masters had gone.

They had been indoctrinated to believe Apophis was a God and that if they trained well they could serve their God and be rewarded. Effectively the brainwashing ensured they wouldn't escape.


Why trust them just because they showed a video of Apophis dying? There are Jaffa out there that still loyal to Apophis even after his demise. Why are these trainees different?

Well they are not Jaffa, they were taken against their will and indoctrinated to believe Apophis was a God (I'm sure he used some of his "magic" to prove this). A God can't die but there Apophis was not only dying but fearing death.

Are these trainees loyal since birth to Apophis? Did they willingly join Apophis army?[/QUOTE]

I think Rogers said that they were all taken from their planets, most probably against their will because lets face it when have the Goa'uld asked people to join them, more join/serve me or die. Since Apophis downfall wasn't that long ago we can assume that they were taken only a few months ago.

ZoSo
September 2nd, 2008, 09:26 PM
I like the idea of this episode. It really gives you insight into how evil Apophis really is. That whole "Final Challenge" thing is pretty scary. And we learn that Teal'c went through the same thing in his training.

I thought the mortars raining down on them was a pleasant surprise (for the viewer, anyway.)

Did anyone notice this is the episode where Carter gets that awful scar on her face? You see her face bleeding, and then you see a close up of Jack prone next to the tree, and there are some nasty looking thorns right there. It seems to me she got nailed by a thorn while diving for cover or something. And then for the rest of the season she has a scar right there. You think that was real or was it intentional like Jack's scar from "Demons"? I find it hard to believe that they intentionally put that unsightful scar on her face in all those episodes just for consistancy.

Black_Sheep
September 3rd, 2008, 03:50 PM
This was a good episode. I agree with what Zoso said about Apophis. It was great to see some military action again :D

L E E
September 28th, 2008, 01:34 AM
Well they are not Jaffa, they were taken against their will and indoctrinated to believe Apophis was a God (I'm sure he used some of his "magic" to prove this). A God can't die but there Apophis was not only dying but fearing death.


I think Rogers said that they were all taken from their planets, most probably against their will because lets face it when have the Goa'uld asked people to join them, more join/serve me or die. Since Apophis downfall wasn't that long ago we can assume that they were taken only a few months ago.

I'm a bit confused here. If the trainees were taken against their will, and only recently, how come no one even tried to run away. Their masters have been away for quite some time.

Matt G
September 28th, 2008, 02:26 PM
More likely they were brainwashed rather than taken against their will.

JARVISBRODIE
October 26th, 2008, 07:07 PM
I thought, from my prospective, they were going show the STARGATE very much in any episode.

RononXSpecialist
November 11th, 2008, 10:30 AM
What I wanna know is...
Did all of the Apophis guys join SG-1 Units or be absorbed into the Society?

gateship15
November 15th, 2008, 04:15 PM
i don't know i think they went back to were they came from. altho I'm to sure this is a great episode tho

balo
February 12th, 2009, 08:17 AM
Watched it for the first time today and I think it was ok but nothing special.

Some of the Go'ould weapons and the big hologram of Apophis was pretty cool.

gateship15
February 16th, 2009, 12:34 AM
i agree i love the huge apophis

Butlersgate
February 18th, 2009, 02:08 PM
one of the best episodes, i love o'neill especially with the mortors and he just is so annoyed that he is getting shot at like it never happens.

shinysign
March 11th, 2009, 07:37 PM
I also thought the Intars were cool - if Teal'c carries a stun weapon, then SG-1 should pack some Intar clips, they could save quite a few lives by stunning people instead of killing them.

There are many episodes where a few Intars to a misled leader of a town would resolve the entire show, because they won't just go around killing anyone who disagrees with them, but stunning them for a day would have gotten them out of many tight binds.

Of course earth might not be able to duplicate the alien Intar technology, and tranquilizer darts are far too slow to load, so maybe that could be a reason why they are never seen again.

At the very least, I think they should all carry the zap guns - why should Teal'c be the only one using one?

gateship15
March 17th, 2009, 12:16 AM
i agree it they all used zat guns many people would not die but it may be sg1 may not use them all the time because altho affective they may not find zating the enemy worth it since only stunning a person who believes in so strongly as the jaffa and others do zating them will only mean they will live to fight again

Ulkesh47
March 17th, 2009, 07:13 AM
i agree it they all used zat guns many people would not die
Zat guns in my opinion are not a viable option here because in a combat-simulation setting, it would not be unrealistic that someone would get shot twice straight due to an accident or overzealous trigger finger etc...

shinysign
March 17th, 2009, 02:04 PM
I agree that accidentally firing twice could happen, and may happen often, but it would still in the end kill far less than the guns. Say it happened one every four times, which is way overestimating as we have rarely seen say, Teal'c hit the same guy twice, once they fall over with the zat, you don't shoot them anymore. But if it did happen one out of four times, it would still save 1 out of 4 lives that their gun kills.

Also, when they stumble accross a 'misguided' little town or city, which has happened a lot, they need a way to disable an angry mob or the leaders without just massacring everyone with guns. They go to these little townss and bring guns, can't use them because they don't want to kill innocent but misguided civilians, then they are sentenced to death or something and they have to escape, it happened in many episodes. A few zats and they could knock a bunch of people out and run away, or sneak around and disable people if they are looking for Merlin's book or whatever they end up needing in these small towns. In other words, they are caught too much by 'less advanced' races simply because they naturally refuse to kill them but have no other way of disabling them. Can you imagine the Asguard getting caught in some little medieval town? I don't think they would let it happen and would bring an alternative to killing the townspeople. Just an idea, and my two cents.

All of the advanced aliens use beam weapons anyway, beam weapons are more advanced and they must prefer them due to some sort of tactical or practical advantage they give, such as not having to reload.

gateship15
March 18th, 2009, 02:58 AM
i totally agree in some episodes i have seen that one person is the reason a mob would attack them and if they go to that town to get to that person without killing many zats would work well and they wouldn't be sentenced to death for murder

Commander Aegir
March 19th, 2009, 03:25 PM
I find it a bit odd that the final test involves a slaughter, surely it would make more sense to have more men rather than a few men, admittedly of a better quality.

gateship15
March 20th, 2009, 05:13 PM
true but i guess it is a test to see if they will follow that order and if they would kill and i guess he thinks well i could always train more. i think it is also a way to weed out the strong and most skilled from the weak and unskilled worriers because those who fight and live will fight again and kill more enemy's so he would only want those who can battle and survive to live so they can fight again

Pic
March 20th, 2009, 07:01 PM
SG1 runs across a bunch of kids that are playing war games. Apparently, they were dropped off by Apophis (or his jaffa) and everyone forgot about them when Apophis, you know, got spanked.




All the boys make funny faces. Carter doesn't play along.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/Pic-CollSwan/SGM/03X09-1.png

So, on the return mission, they make Carter paint her face green.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/Pic-CollSwan/SGM/03X09-2.png

I love when she gets to look all military-like
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/Pic-CollSwan/SGM/03X09-3.png

Yes, I posted this on my LJ... I thought maybe I'd share my mini-picspams here. Whaddya'll think?

gateship15
March 20th, 2009, 07:14 PM
yep thats pretty much what happened great pictures

Chronosynclastic Infundibulum
April 20th, 2009, 07:11 AM
Just watching SG-1 for the first time. I never saw the footage of Apophis dying. I thought that he was blown up with his ship. I think that I missed an episode. Can someone point me to which one?

Flow
April 20th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Just watching SG-1 for the first time. I never saw the footage of Apophis dying. I thought that he was blown up with his ship. I think that I missed an episode. Can someone point me to which one?
I'm pretty sure it was "Serpent's Song" from season 2.

Chronosynclastic Infundibulum
April 20th, 2009, 09:25 AM
I'm pretty sure it was "Serpent's Song" from season 2.
Thanks! That looks like the one and I have not seen. What an episode to miss!

The Stig
April 24th, 2009, 03:23 PM
It was a good episode but i wouldn't show it to someone in trying to convince them to watch SG1

mrscopterdoc
March 7th, 2010, 09:32 PM
Good episode. A bit heavy on the brain washing.

Martina Magnus
July 12th, 2010, 12:25 AM
Good ep :D

maneth
August 22nd, 2010, 10:37 PM
Good ep, even though the brainwashing was a bit heavy. I also found it hard to believe that they could decontaminate Kyle so quickly, he bought Apophis' death a bit too quickly to be credible once he saw the video.

Darkland
August 23rd, 2010, 06:23 AM
I liked this episode, apart from the fact that the followers were tragically dedicated to Apophis in a sick kind of way, it really was an interesting episode to watch and learn from.

Carter looked awesome in combat gear - my favourite! :)

Matt G
August 23rd, 2010, 03:05 PM
I agree. I was quite surprised by their acceptance. But maybe, they were just too shocked?

There are degrees of apparant proof. They used to say that the camera does not lie. Nowadays we have Photoshop, and various camera tricks. If you didn't know all this was possible though then you'd assume that photos/film/video cannot possibly be faked therefore anything on it has to be true. The aliens from Galaxy Quest are another example of this thinking.

NerdyRaptor
July 17th, 2011, 11:43 PM
Just finished this episode. (First runthrough of the series). First off I can't believe that I'm only on season 3. Got to go pick up the pace!

Man, I've got to say that I love this episode. They did a good job in keeping up the military simulations. The stun guns were great. It would be awesomesauce if the military actually used those in combat training. I've only used blanks and you can't really tell if you've hit your target. (had a long argument with our sergeants on that one LOL)

The only issue I had was the insta-believe. I thought that they wouldn't trust the technologies of Earth, thinking that it was lies. Asides from that was my only real discrepancy.

garhkal
July 18th, 2011, 04:10 PM
These days we use Lipstick rounds to show the hits... and they do hurt.

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 6th, 2011, 02:33 AM
Quite a surprising episode, I would never have expected the Goa'uld to go so far in their simulations. What I don't like is that most of the kids here are brats. If they got their mannerisms and speech from what SG-11 taught them, then I can't imagine how unpleasant SG-11 must have been! I don't have a lot to say about this one, other than it's one I enjoyed and it has some fantastically played comedy from our characters, notably Jack and Teal'c.

- I love the intars, very nice special effects.

- I don't like the voc'ume thingy, it's a bit ridiculous.

- Convincing the kids that Apophis was dead turned out to be a bit too easy in the end. If they're used to technology, surely the thought would enter their mind that the footage of Apophis dying was faked?

RATING: 7 out of 10

dtheories
October 9th, 2011, 10:57 PM
The scene in the hospital tent when they were all to play dead was pretty funny. You can just see Jack realizing something was just slightly off, but being unable to put a finger to it. Daniel's reaction to 'four eyes' was priceless.

The illogic of this ep is summed up by the SGC acquiring a significant cache of In'tars and MP5's - from a training 'army' running in circles without leadership for three years - and then a year later switching to the P90. Government wisdom at work...again.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 11th, 2011, 06:17 PM
If they got their mannerisms and speech from what SG-11 taught them, then I can't imagine how unpleasant SG-11 must have been!

Perhaps SG-11 was doing their best to create trainees who were just a little "off," so as to tip off the SGC should things go too far.

Seaboe

Krisz
October 11th, 2011, 08:27 PM
Hammond addressed as 'My Lord' by 'Nelson', and O'Neill saying "actually,we just call him General Hammond." that was funny!

Seemed like the training wasn't that bad, the 'Captain' seemed to be very at 'home' in the briefing in the real SGC for when they were going back to stop the real live battle to the death! I thought that was a nice touch how the guy fitted right in there!

Quite amazing the lengths Apophis went to in his efforts to destroy the Tau'ri!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
October 11th, 2011, 09:17 PM
liked this episode. due to the fact that we got introduced to the intars.

liminoid
October 12th, 2011, 10:28 AM
I was a little disappointed that they did not make more use of the recruits. Kyle and Nelson would have made great additions to the regular SGC cast. I think one of the better episodes of this season so far. Always good to check in on our buddy apophis.

Jae'a
October 13th, 2011, 08:09 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/14684.html)
I'm not too fussed about this episode, but it doesn't bother me all that much how quick they are to accept Apophis' death...

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 13th, 2011, 04:49 PM
I thought this was a good 3rd Season SG-1 episode.

So everyone on this world thought Apophis was their god and fought each other because of it (and to make his dead ass ;) proud)

Tomorrow, Sha're's back, and Daniel has a very bad day.

Matt G
October 14th, 2011, 05:46 AM
5pm and another ep of SG1...

1. An SG team not recognising SG1 and then opening fire on them...hmmm...

2. Interesting how's Jack's first assumption was that Maybourne was responsible...and then suddenly it's Teal'c that knows what's going on.

3. Already dealt with the recording thing - if you think the camera can't lie then it isn't lying.

4. "Lt...I bring wonderful news..."

Pretty good ep.

jelgate
October 16th, 2011, 03:34 PM
Not a bad episode but on tha other hand thier is nothing remarkable about. Replacing Jaffa with humans is an interesting insight in Goa'uld society but besides that nothing ground breaking. The fake SG teams faith and stubborness in Apophis is nothing new and it got very boring after a time. It seemed to lack a point instead of running around with weapons.

Starscape91
October 16th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Good episode I like the weapons in this one.

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 17th, 2011, 03:20 AM
Another okay ep. So much like when we were kids pretending to be soldiers. Hey you're dead you can't talk!

And yay intars

EDIT: Teal'c finally says :indeed: in this ep. Took him long enough.

garhkal
October 22nd, 2011, 09:19 PM
I wonder.. Did they incorporate any of those kids into the SGC?

lostmonkey70
October 26th, 2011, 09:59 PM
Pretty generic episode, save for a few funny moments. Probably the best was the "Infamous Tuna Torture." At least for my money it was.

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 31st, 2011, 03:20 AM
EDIT: Teal'c finally says :indeed: in this ep. Took him long enough.

His first "indeed" was back in season 2, in 'One False Step'.

muziqaz
December 6th, 2011, 09:04 AM
Jack: get the vacuum :D

Interesting episode. really got me pulled in, the setup and everything. Enjoyed it a lot.

Dimes
December 24th, 2011, 01:31 PM
Interesting episode, I wonder if they have more troops like that / training camps.

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jack must have a thing for tuna fish....;)

That is all.

garhkal
July 29th, 2012, 03:47 PM
Interesting episode, I wonder if they have more troops like that / training camps.

It was interesting to see them having so embraced our training/uniforms/weapons, to not explore it with seeing maybe another gou'ald camp using some..

Major Clanger
January 25th, 2013, 12:18 PM
it was quite a relief when that ended, actually

Falcon Horus
June 4th, 2013, 08:46 AM
And thus SG1 wanders into a trainingscamp for young warriors whose main goal is to infiltrate the Tau'ri. Apophis did a good job there, his followers ready to die for him.

However, for someone so determined that Apophis is a god, Kyle sure came around fast when they showed him the footage of his god dying. I'd at least expected him to be a little more resilient to the deprogramming of his brain.

We get a little more insight into the training of Jaffa and other canon fodder. That's always nice.

Overall, not a bad episode.

Anja
September 12th, 2015, 09:31 AM
Sunt pueri pueri, pueri puerilias tractant.

Like children playing war - no like at all.

Britta
September 12th, 2015, 09:40 AM
Sunt pueri pueri, pueri puerilias tractant.

Translation: Children are children, and children do childish things.

maneth
March 27th, 2016, 10:40 AM
Not one of my favorites I'll admit.

jckfan55
April 3rd, 2016, 01:06 PM
Favorite parts "the tuna torture" and O'Neill as "apprentice" :D

Anja
April 3rd, 2016, 10:24 PM
Favorite parts "the tuna torture" and O'Neill as "apprentice" :D

I agree!!!

Nirude
May 16th, 2016, 12:58 PM
TEAL'C: They are intar.
O'NEILL: Short for?
TEAL'C: Intar.

:) And O'Neill's line about the attack being cancelled due to rain.. good stuff.

Overall, it wasn't a bad episode. I liked the video of Apophis's death when it was shown the first time in the SGC, it almost seemed more powerful than when it actually happened. The idea of a god being shown up as a normal person could of been done more strongly, it seemed a little weak at the end.

Teal'c's line "Apophis has lived for thousands of years. It is as if we have said the sun will never rise again." was perfect for the episode. It made me think of how many North Koreans believed Kim Il-Sung couldn't die, and he was alive for less than a hundred years..

One thing that bugs me about this episode is the use of language/culture.. usually I am fine with aliens speaking English, but in this one the "alien humans" (well, Jaffa) are a little too much like a SG team. I tried not to think about it but it kind of bothered me throughout. They had only been there for "5 cycles", I don't think that's enough time even with one SG team "teaching" them (probably in a half-assed way too?).

Anja
May 17th, 2016, 09:11 AM
Well, they had to be very SG1-wise because they had to fool SG1!

Falcon Horus
January 26th, 2018, 10:58 AM
A solid episode -- stand-alone, not too complicated and moving at a steady pace.

I watched while taking a bath and I didn't even realize my water had gone cold. :p
Not even bored for a moment.

Anyhow, training young men for infiltration and ultimately destroying the SGC from the inside out is actually an interesting idea. Too bad though that Apophis croaked before he could put the plans into motion to actually send his little minions/fodder to do what they were training for.

So, SG-1 walks in and goes on to try and convince these kids that their mighty god, they're so eager to lay down their lives for, is dead and not coming back to congratulate them on their good work. Of course, their weapons get mixed up with the Intars and someone gets killed and Kyle Rogers (didn't catch his real name) gets injured.

When he's at the SGC, he does a rapid 360 on Apophis being god -- seriously, that might be my only grievance with this episode, that he's so easily convinced what the Tau'ri are telling him is true. It could be explained away saying his heart wasn't that into it, but it sure seemed to be when we first meet him.

Anyway, a decent episode that I quite like so it gets a good from me.

How would you rate SG-1's "Rules of Engagement?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
January 27th, 2018, 03:45 PM
I wish I could still fit into a bathtub .

FH is right. It's a pretty standalone episode where no much happens. It's interesting watch the Goa'uld use humans to replace Jaffa as I get why Apophis would do such a thing. If I have a compliant it's that these brainwashed kids come to their senses to easily. I'd give this a good as well and say I wish we saw intars more

Falcon Horus
January 27th, 2018, 05:08 PM
I wish I could still fit into a bathtub

Get a bigger tub. ;)

Or do as I do occasionally, due to long limbs -- stick those feet out. :p Except when the cat's around cause he likes to catch the toes and sharp nails are not my best friend... :p

jelgate
January 27th, 2018, 05:28 PM
That would require a lot of remodeling in the bathroom

Falcon Horus
February 11th, 2018, 03:59 PM
3-episode quiz: Deadman Switch, Demons & Rules of Engagement (https://goo.gl/forms/ZlSLenP8Z80DhfFs1)

Jigsaw puzzle: Rules Of Engagement (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=4XIR6MT5)
-- still respectable for me: 10:25

jelgate
March 4th, 2018, 06:14 PM
9 minutes and 37 seconds

Falcon Horus
March 5th, 2018, 07:23 AM
You're faster... again.

BethHG
June 24th, 2018, 03:18 AM
14:20. 11/15

A good episode full of shooting and stuff. :).

Falcon Horus
June 24th, 2018, 06:32 AM
A good episode full of shooting and stuff. :).

Also makes for good trailers -- explosions and the like. :p

Platschu
August 27th, 2018, 10:52 AM
3x09 Rules of engagement
The pinkish moon was rotated and reused from the 3x07 Deadmanís switch.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x09/01.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x09/02.jpg

Falcon Horus
August 28th, 2018, 02:40 AM
They have a thing with rotating moons and reusing backgrounds. Although I can fully grasp that reusing reduces costs as opposed to creating a new background each episode.

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 04:01 AM
Exactly. As long as I don't notice it, I don't care. Just sometimes I wish they would have put more effort into digital alien lifeforms, trees etc. Or just simply to see a different landscape (like giant cactuses) and not only the pine forest. But we can explain that the Ancients loved these trees when they created and spreaded life in the galaxy. :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
August 28th, 2018, 07:51 AM
IMO, they worked harder at presenting a variety of environments in the first season (remember the sulfur dunes?) than later. They just passed it off with "trees again."

Seaboe

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 10:24 AM
I am still surprised how many large sets were built in season 1-2 only for standalone episodes. That was the real golden Glassner era. Then the special effects have gone up, the sets were reduced etc.

http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/landoflight/04.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/argos/12.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/cimmeria/16.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/heliopolis/13.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/cartago/10.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/p3r-636/08.jpg

Who Knows
September 17th, 2018, 01:20 AM
11.32

hedwig
September 17th, 2018, 03:17 PM
12:05

hedwig
September 17th, 2018, 05:58 PM
Exactly. As long as I don't notice it, I don't care. Just sometimes I wish they would have put more effort into digital alien lifeforms, trees etc. Or just simply to see a different landscape (like giant cactuses) and not only the pine forest. But we can explain that the Ancients loved these trees when they created and spread life in the galaxy. :)

In at least one episode of SGU, the filming was done in Arizona or New Mexico in the desert.