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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 308</FONT>
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SG-1 finds a medieval Christian society terrorized by Sokar and the Unas, and is accused of being possessed by demons.

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SaberBlade
May 22nd, 2004, 06:22 AM
during this episode, when the Unas took SG-1 and Mary, did anyone see a cameraman standing behind Simon when he moved from 1 window to another?

i saw it being repeated on Sky 1 and i could have sword i saw a cameraman but couldn't be sure

Anubis
May 22nd, 2004, 07:03 AM
I never really noticed that. I have this episode on DVD so I might take a look later on this week

However, I have to say that I didn't really enjoy it that much. I think the story was very basic and didn't have very much meaning

KorbenDirewolf
May 23rd, 2004, 01:37 PM
Although finding a cultur of medival Christians on another world opens up a whole bunch of questions. Who transplanted them? When did Sokar take control of them?

omnian
May 23rd, 2004, 01:40 PM
I wonder what happened to the ring that O'Neill got from the village Canon? It's never mentioned after that is it?

Boomer359
May 24th, 2004, 01:06 PM
They briefly brought up the question of how medival Christians got to another planet. I think Daniel and Sam deduced that they must have been brought to that planet through the Antarctic gate.

I guess they could have also gone through the third gate from Atlantis, if there is a third gate. I don't really know a whole lot about Atlantis. Trying to save it for the premier...

SeaBee
June 7th, 2004, 07:13 AM
They briefly brought up the question of how medival Christians got to another planet. I think Daniel and Sam deduced that they must have been brought to that planet through the Antarctic gate.


But wasn't the Antarctic gate the first one? I'm sure the gate in Egypt was placed there by the Goa'uld after the Antarctic gate became trapped in the ice. Or is it the other way round? Okay, now I'm confused.

Crazedwraith
June 7th, 2004, 07:35 AM
But wasn't the Antarctic gate the first one? I'm sure the gate in Egypt was placed there by the Goa'uld after the Antarctic gate became trapped in the ice. Or is it the other way round? Okay, now I'm confused.


The antartic gate was the one the anciets used and got buried by Ice.

The goa'uld mainly used the Giza Gate.

However that was buried before the medieval time so its Possible that Sokar used the transport christian other worlds or he mar have used a ship.

SeaBee
June 7th, 2004, 10:32 AM
A ship would make sense. After all, unless 1 gate became temporarily useable, both gates would have been inactive for hundreds of years before the Christians appeared on Earth.

Unless the religion developed independently of earth, which is unlikely.

KorbenDirewolf
June 9th, 2004, 06:00 PM
Jackson and Carter did speculate about it, but they never found any proof of how the people got there.

SeaBee
June 11th, 2004, 02:15 PM
Jackson and Carter did speculate about it, but they never found any proof of how the people got there.

Probably because the PTB realised that they had boobed, and couldn't come up with the answer! :D

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:56 PM
I think the gate would be covered by ice.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 07:00 PM
Those crazy christians and there demons.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 07:12 PM
I didn't think Teal'c was going to die... but I was surprised how he survived

Bagpuss
August 13th, 2004, 10:49 AM
My least favourite episode.Ever.Despite trying to rewatch several times.
Personally,I really didn't feel much for any of the villagers,or their fanatical priest.

Wyrminarrd
August 18th, 2004, 07:37 AM
Now I found the whole premise for this show to be a bit iffy. If sokar managed to get to earth using the second gate then why didn´t he stay there and take over the world?

But this show introduced Sokar which IMO is the coolest villian they´ve had in the show, pity he didn´t last for very long.

Anubis
August 18th, 2004, 07:42 AM
My least favourite episode.Ever.Despite trying to rewatch several times.
Personally,I really didn't feel much for any of the villagers,or their fanatical priest.



I didn't like that fat person who was in charge of the town. Stupid person, things he's all cool because of that stupid ring.

Spiderman
September 19th, 2004, 08:53 AM
I didn't like that fat person who was in charge of the town. Stupid person, things he's all cool because of that stupid ring.
YES You're so right about that,also watched it a couple of times,didn't liked it at all,and BORING !!!!!! And that fat one,glad he's dead :D

Crazedwraith
September 19th, 2004, 10:33 AM
Now I found the whole premise for this show to be a bit iffy. If sokar managed to get to earth using the second gate then why didn´t he stay there and take over the world?

But this show introduced Sokar which IMO is the coolest villian they´ve had in the show, pity he didn´t last for very long.
It didn't SOkar was established in season 2's "Serpent's Song" when he's trying to kill Apophisis

SeaBee
September 22nd, 2004, 06:42 AM
This one has to rank as one of my least fav. episodes. Went nowhere, did nothing. :(

Uncle Dick
September 22nd, 2004, 03:55 PM
Now I found the whole premise for this show to be a bit iffy. If sokar managed to get to earth using the second gate then why didn´t he stay there and take over the world?
Because the humans on Earth had rebelled against the false gods and would no longer be subjects of the Gou'ald. The planet was effectively made ungovernable by the rebellion in Egypt. Since the Asgard also visited the planet in ancient times, it's possible that they would have discouraged any Gou'ald interference with Earth (even though it was not technically one of the protected planets).

Major Fischer
September 22nd, 2004, 05:21 PM
Not to mention that Earth itself doesn't have any particular value to Sokar. As far as he knew it was an unremarkable little ball of rock.

Ananias
September 22nd, 2004, 10:00 PM
The main reason earth was so interesting to the Gou'ald was because it was the origin of humans. There are no particularly unique minerals or anything. So once there was an abundance of humans on other planets, there wasn't much of a point in bother with those annoying rebels on Earth. At leasts that's how I've always figured it.

Daniel's Sister
October 22nd, 2004, 01:16 PM
I like this episode because its creepy. I love creepy episodes of Stargate. ;)

Daniel's_twin
November 4th, 2004, 12:45 PM
The only thing I really didn't like about this episode was the fact that this had their worst Unas costume to date. Other then that, I thought this episode was well-done. I liked how they depicted the Dark Ages. It's too bad we had to have them. Its given Christianity a bad name (that fat ponpous guy pretty much shows that). :cool:

jckfan55
November 4th, 2004, 05:18 PM
I liked the thermometer strip Sam used. Wonder if that's standard issue. Also liked O'Neill's comment about next time I want to help someone, kick me.

hidden_envy
November 22nd, 2004, 08:59 AM
i felt so sorry for teal'c in this ep! :(

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 3rd, 2005, 12:28 PM
Not a favorite. It seemed a bit contrived, but that might be because I'm not a fan of Dark Ages history in general. It was one of us humans' more stupid periods of time. Oddly enough, one of my least favorite eps has one of my favorite lines: Way to go Junior!!"

Metarock Sam
March 3rd, 2005, 12:37 PM
Didn't that lightning ring look like a Zatarcs ring. i mean could they be connected?

SmartFox
March 12th, 2005, 06:06 PM
I want to know how he got the ring. Did Sokar give it to the original leader so that he could keep control and then it was passed down? Also what exactly was called down and where did it come from?

I didn't think it was that bad of an ep. Alot better then eps such as One False Step or Bane.

Elite Anubis Guard
March 15th, 2005, 12:39 PM
wow 2nd episode in a row where tealcs almost brought it-hes gotta be getting tired!

Anubis69
March 29th, 2005, 07:17 AM
The idea of christians being on another planet makes no sense. It was a nice try by the writers to bring in some points about the dark ages etc etc. but there was no way for them to get there. Both gates were buried, and if the Goa'uld had shown up in ships, why on earth wouldn't they have done more to humanity than take a couple dozen dark age christians? Also being sokar, the devil, you'd think it wouldn't be much of a challenge to scare a society with little technology and being terrified by the idea of going to hell. Sokar could've done anything.

Samuel J. Tilden
March 29th, 2005, 08:11 AM
Both gates were buried, and if the Goa'uld had shown up in ships, why on earth wouldn't they have done more to humanity than take a couple dozen dark age christians?
Because although the unbelieving humans could no longer be effectively ruled by the Goa'uld, they didn't pose much of a threat to anyone. Therefore, it would have been a waste of time and resources to menace the people of Earth. Once the Tau'ri proved their strength by killing Ra, they became a threat to the Goa'uld and began attracting attention.

Anubis69
March 30th, 2005, 08:05 AM
Therefore, it would have been a waste of time and resources to menace the people of Earth.
I wouldn't go that far as to say a waste of time. It wouldn't have been much of a challenge, especially for Sokar, but there'd be millions if not billions of hosts. But perhaps the Goa'uld decided it would be more feasable to farm hosts from elsewhere.

RubyRed
April 4th, 2005, 09:41 PM
I was so angry in this episode. Who are this people to decide who bad and who's not. if they really were cristians and have read the bible then they should have known that god doesn't support murder. I can't stand small minded people. they were so ignorant i wanted to kick their ass for what they did to teal'c of course i was happy when he was back.

Daniel's_twin
April 5th, 2005, 09:24 AM
Well, like Daniel said, they didnt call them the Dark Ages because the lights were turned off. :cool:

Anubis69
April 16th, 2005, 08:55 AM
I just got the S3 DVDs the other day and realised that Samuel J. Tilden is right. The goa'uld did obviously come in ships, cos they did the same with the people in "Learning Curve". but i still say they should've done something more than take a few dozen humans.

Tal'Mak_Josh
April 20th, 2005, 04:11 PM
is it me or does the guy who plays Simon in demons also lok a lot like the judging/victim/annoying/crybaby guy in Co'rai

RubyRed
April 20th, 2005, 10:32 PM
it is the same guy. the difference here is that he hair is very short.

QuiGonJohn
May 4th, 2005, 06:17 PM
Now I found the whole premise for this show to be a bit iffy. If sokar managed to get to earth using the second gate then why didn´t he stay there and take over the world?

But this show introduced Sokar which IMO is the coolest villian they´ve had in the show, pity he didn´t last for very long.


It didn't SOkar was established in season 2's "Serpent's Song" when he's trying to kill Apophisis

Wyrminardd, as Crazedwraith points out, Sokar was first in "Serpent's Song". And further, he wasn't actually in this episode, just mentioned.

Not a bad episode. I liked how it seemed like it was going to end a couple times, then went on. For instance, when the Canon said they could leave, but something happened. Then later when the Unas was dead and we think they're just gonna leave, then Sam realizes the Goa'uld has gone into the Canon.

SimilarCadence
May 17th, 2005, 11:29 AM
I was so angry in this episode. Who are this people to decide who bad and who's not. if they really were cristians and have read the bible then they should have known that god doesn't support murder. I can't stand small minded people. they were so ignorant i wanted to kick their ass for what they did to teal'c of course i was happy when he was back.

Remember that the Dark Ages were before the invention of the printing press----Christians didn't have Bibles to read. As a matter of fact, most people in those days couldn't even read----education was for the privileged class. The majority of the people during that time were dependent upon what their spiritual (and sometimes not so spiritual) leaders told them they should believe. Unfortunately some leaders took advantage of that.......Like Daniel said, they didn't call it the Dark Ages because it was dark! ;)

The ordinary people were ignorant, in the literal sense of the word......

It made me angry, too, to see the suffering inflicted by their ignorance and to watch Teal'c go through what he did......(Teal'c always seems to come across people who are either scared of him or want to attack him, but he handles it really well!)

twiggy
May 17th, 2005, 03:22 PM
the Bible was also still written in like Latin or something. and not many people understood it, when the priests did the sermons. so the people just basically did whatever the priest said to do.

Perriman33
August 8th, 2005, 12:13 AM
This was a very odd episode but I really liked watching it. Trying to take down the unas was good to watch. I liked the way the society was portrayed, although it was a bit stereotyped. Teal'c was funny when he rose from the dead and well thought out. The ending was good as well,just when I thought it was over....goa'uld pops up again! :)

Ascendant
August 30th, 2005, 02:30 PM
Yeah - although the execution of the episode maybe could have been better, it was a bold concept that payed off. They could have had a massive backlash by suggesting that Christianity was a contrived religion, but they went out of their way to make it clear that Sokar was impersonating the Devil, not the Devil himself.

To boot, the music was incredible, the sets were dark and detailed, and the acting was pretty good too. The Canon was totally stereotyped and two-dimensional, but the guy who played him was really good. You love to hate him.

On the downside, I was constantly frustrated with the characters' apparent inability to act. They should have blown the Unas away the first time, when they were first poking their MP5s out of the doorway. Instead they just sort of stared. Then they let themselves be taken prisoner by a bunch of primitives - although I know that they didn't want to hurt any of the natives, I know that they could have gotten out of that situation easily. I mean, come on - these aren't Goa'uld, here. These are malnourished, terrified peasants with spears. Instead they just sort of stood around and let Teal'c get killed.

Not that the lightning ring wasn't a surprise...but if they had an ounce of common sense, the frelling Unas would be dead and they'd be on their merry way before the Canon even arrived, spouting firm admonitions to bury the Circle of Darkness after they leave.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 03:57 AM
This was a very odd episode but I really liked watching it the only time TPTB have talked about a religion from Earth in the Galaxy. Trying to take down the unas was good to watch. I liked the way the society was portrayed, although it was a bit stereotyped. Teal'c was funny when he rose from the dead and well thought out well done to CJ for that part!!. The ending was good as wel l, just when you think the Goa'ulds dead i comes back for more!!

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 08:41 PM
Good eppy, a lot off-world, it was another example of SG-1 getting held prisoners (they should add a new spin to that scenario...)

Metarock Sam
September 26th, 2005, 03:06 PM
This was a great episode. Expecially when Teal'c Rose from the dead and you had the women running around screaming. That was hilarious.

deathbed1983
September 30th, 2005, 04:57 PM
it was ok but i didn't enjoy it as much as other epidsodes

TrustNo1
October 2nd, 2005, 10:14 AM
I wonder what happened to the ring that O'Neill got from the village Canon? It's never mentioned after that is it?
The ring is useless on Earth. The ring works as a control device for a flying platform that acts like a huge zat gun. The platform is still on the planet and they buried their stargate so SGC can't go and get this platform.

Daniel's_twin
October 2nd, 2005, 04:25 PM
Wow! Some explanation. Did you hear that somewhere or did you make it up? :cool:

TrustNo1
October 2nd, 2005, 04:34 PM
I read it in the official DVD and magazine thingy :P www.stargatedvd.co.uk It explains all the tech and history of the goa'uld and it has mission reports, it's great. I don't know if it's canon but it does say it's the official thing so...

Seastallion
March 26th, 2006, 11:18 AM
I just saw Peter Deluise, while watching the show on my DVD's. :) I hadn't noticed him before. He's the one shouting, "The demon is coming, the demon is coming..!"

:p

Daniel's_twin
March 26th, 2006, 06:54 PM
Hmmm, I'll check that out next time Sci-fi shows it. :cool:

captain jake
May 11th, 2006, 05:21 PM
I didnt know that either.

Sheppard
July 20th, 2006, 12:23 AM
yeah me neither i just wateched it again and i just noticed it after reading this thread strange

A Mal Doran
April 10th, 2007, 10:01 AM
Okay, I am a newbie to Stargate SG1. I just started to watch the show during season 10. I am now watching every episode that comes on SciFi, and obviously, watch a lot of things out of order. (BTW, thank goodness for Gateworld and its forum members: y'all have helped tremendously when I had no clue what was going on.)

In the Demons episode, Jack :jack: gets seriously smacked in the face by one of the Canon's guards, midpoint. He has a large gash through his left eyebrow. In later scenes, his left eyebrow is still pretty bloody.

And, it seems that in later episodes, all the way through season 10, Richard Dean Anderson has a scar in the middle of his left eyebrow.

And, I'm wondering...was RDA hurt while filiming Demons, with a stuntman actually injuring him and causing a permanent scar?

In watching seasons 1-2, I don't see the scar on RDA's left eyebrow, but after the Demons episode, I do.

Just me?

Thoughts?

MFA
April 10th, 2007, 07:22 PM
A Mal Doran:

Wow, that's perceptive! I've noticed the scar and knew it wasn't there in the beginning, but never "caught" where it appeared in the series. I'd be curious as well about if a stunt double caused it. Interesting ... I think I'll dig out my tape and watch it again ... if it's one that wasn't eaten by the VCR.


Welcome to Stargate! Yes, it gets confusing watching shows out of order, but a majority of the early shows are stand-alones, they follow a basic theme and every once in a while go back to a previous episode.

Gateworld has an analysis and breakdown of all the episodes on the main page that might help fill in any other blanks. Also offers some interesting bits of trivia as well.

Such as - Mike Myers fan? There's a "nod" to Mike Myers in this episode, and probably in other episodes as well.

I also heard that Peter Deluise showed up in a lot of early shows. Missed him in this one, but saw him in another episode where he was in the gateroom.

Nice insight into Teal'c on this one. Loved the "raising from the dead" scene as well.

A Mal Doran
April 10th, 2007, 08:15 PM
My brother has a similar scar on his right eye brow. The family dog bit him there when my brother blew in the face of the sleeping dog. The scar prevents hair from growing, so he has this thin line the splits his eyebrow in two.

The scar is especially noticeable on RDA as he has gotten older.

Because I jump around viewing the episodes in no particular order (at the whim of SciFi), RDA's eyebrow became sort of a "Where's Waldo" thing for me.

When I saw RDA get bashed in the face and saw all the blood, and then saw the bloody eyebrow at the end as they are headed for the gate, it made me think "I think this is more than just great consistent special effects".

And, I caught Peter Deluise in this episode. He likes to stick himself in the frame right near the beginning of most episodes he directs. This episode, it's a full face closeup of him with one line (the demons are here, or something like that). I know I picked up that tidbit from gateworld.net on Deluise's "Alfred Hitchcock" love of appearing in every episode he directs.

As soon as I realize it's one of his, my family plays "spot the Peter".

And, I know that another SG1 director likes to insert a pineapple in his episodes. I just can't recall his name at the moment.

And, yeah, I caught the Austin Powers reference ("or some ... thing" and the pinky).

And, I liked this episode, if only for the show being pretty daring for introducing a not so positive aspect of Christianity's less than charitable past.

I can't think of many shows (other than maybe Boston Legal) that are willing to tackle that subject matter.

And, I want to again thank any of you who have ever contributed to Stargate analysis, breakdowns, or trivia. It's been enormously helpful.

I did read this specific thread in its entirety, before asking my question, to make sure that it hadn't been addressed before. I realize that the Demons episode was watched originally a long time ago, and doesn't get much fan forum comments so I really appreciate your reply, MFA.

A Mal Doran
April 10th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Okay, I decided, "what the heck, let's see what I can find with google".

So, I googled:

richard dean anderson eyebrow scar

and I found two articles.

And, before I share the articles, I really have to praise RDA and the crew. Talk about consistency.

So, here's what I found:

http://www.rdanderson.com/archives/a3-09-11.htm


From: CAZASIMPSON
I have a question that’s been bugging me for a while. How did you get that scar across your eyebrow?
Caron

Richard Dean Anderson:
It’s part of what we established in the character. We have to maintain it because it will grow over, and believe me, it’s a pain in the butt to be walking around with this bareness there. It was one of those elements of movies and television that has always driven me crazy. Like MacGyver, for instance, if we showed him naked at any point, he would be nothing but one big scar, because he was always getting cut or ripped or shot or whatever, beat up, bruised, and yet by the end of the series, he didn’t have a mark on him. It was one of those things. So, I can’t remember the episode, but I got hit in the eye or slugged or something, and we established a big bandage and the whole thing, and I told Jan [Newman, make-up artist], you know, this would leave a mark. Let’s run with this. Let’s keep it in there as part of what defines O’Neill. And so that’s all it is. It’s just a character thing. In fact what I try to do is to suggest that any time O’Neill has to be beat up, that he always holds his left eye. He always takes the first shot, and every monster that he fights is right handed, so he takes the shot to the left eye. [laughing]

[Asked if the scar might have originated from a genuine injury from hockey, for example, he continued:]

Richard Dean Anderson:
No, I’ve got those on the top of my head, and one down here [indicating the bottom of his chin]. I’ve had that since I was a kid. I took the rear end of a skate blade right up through the bottom of my chin, and bled! Wylie and I were trying to count how many scars Daddy had at one point. I think it was 70 or something like that. She started wanting to see them all. She’s got two already. Like I say that with pride! [laughing]

and, from:

http://www.chevron26.com/article/post/index/184040/FRONTIER-Issue-22-JulySeptember-2001-Australia


Anderson's make-up is fairly standard. Faces tend to look flat on screen, so Newman adds extra shape by highlighting and shading cheeks and chin. I do use mascara on him, and eyeliner. Probably he'd hate anybody to know that," she laughs.

She also lightens around his deep-set eyes, which would otherwise be -quite shadowed - you wouldn't see the expression in his eyes.

The finishing touch is a nick in one eyebrow, giving the impression of a scar. It's based on a gash Newman created when Anderson's character was bashed during an adventure a couple of seasons ago. "He rather likes the battle-scar look," says Newman, "so 1 trim it up regularly."

Okay, so I think Jack O'Neill gets seriously bashed in the face in Demons, and from then on, his left eyebrow shows his battlewound. Not RDA, but Jack.

MFA
April 11th, 2007, 09:21 AM
A Mal Doran:

You're welcome! I just recently finished watching most of the shows from Seasons 1-5 for about the umpteenth time. Bad things happen with you just pop in a tape or DVD while doing laundry, I kept finding my way back to the couch to watch the next 2-3-4-5 episodes :)

Drove my husband crazy ... he'd come in, take one look at the TV, mutter "good Lord", and walk back out. :D He actually admitted once that he "kinda" likes Stargate, he mostly just enjoys aggravating me.


Nice bit of trivia on RDA. Thanks for sharing! It's nice when actors care enough to make their characters consistent, even down to the scars! It's also fun to catch when the gray started to show up as well.

garhkal
April 12th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Did they ever say anything more on what that 'ring' weapon device was?? I would have loved it if they revisited that..

Daniel's_twin
April 21st, 2007, 02:58 PM
Nope. This was pretty much a filler episode that established only a few things for further continuity, the main one being that there were more than one Unas. :cool:

plastic
April 27th, 2007, 03:29 AM
Did they ever say anything more on what that 'ring' weapon device was?? I would have loved it if they revisited that..

i know i wanted to know that as well it is a shame that they didn't revisited it

garhkal
April 27th, 2007, 12:21 PM
The reson i wanted to know, is the way it looked like it 'activated; made me wonder if there was some sort of satelite weapon in orbit. Also the way those 'clouds formed' reminded me of all the times we see the ancients use their powers..

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 29th, 2007, 01:04 PM
While this episode probably isn't one of my favourites, I thought it was an interesting concept which worked well.

It was good to see an Unas making another appearance. They seem like quite an 'old fashioned' type of enemy, compared with Apophis et al, but still tough and formidable.

I'm suprised to hear that the ring device won't make another appearance. I would have thought that it would be something other Goaul'd would have, or that the SG teams would study more thoroughly and possibly develop further.

Maximus Carter
June 14th, 2007, 08:56 AM
I'm kinda knew to the whole forum thing but have a small request that I could use some help on.

I wanted an mp3 version of the theme song of this episode (classical/church music that is layered into the rest of the music) and don't know where to find it or how to get it. Please help someone?

Ilana
August 3rd, 2007, 11:17 AM
Sorry, wish I could help you there, you might try Amazon.

Anyhow, I liked the medieval Christian theme to this, and wondered if this is the reason that the village had obviously not made any progress whatsoever(that they were terrorized by the Unas, not that they were Christian!!!). Would really have liked to revisit that village 5 years later, or something like that.

The weather thing reminded me of what the Asgard can do....

garhkal
August 3rd, 2007, 02:21 PM
Actually when i saw it, i was more reminded of Oma and what she did to the Gou'ald in Maternial instinct. I would ahve loved it if te team went back, even if only as part of a bigger episode, say showing one of the other teams reporting back from that planet... But iirc they did tell them to bury the gate.

Ilana
August 5th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Yes, they did tell them to bury the gate. You're right. I'm wondering if that's a good thing to do. Perhaps, it is in the short run, but in the long run ... well, maybe when they're advanced enough, they will make contacts by ships, or they will have some kind of legend or lore that will tell them to unbury the ring of darkness 500 years in the future... hmmmmm.

Crichiel
January 20th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Let's see, working my way through posts on season three episodes. Demons, what did I like about that one? Not much I can tell you. The only thing that comes to mind is when Jack first says that if HE wants to help someone again, to kick him, then later he says if DANIEL wants to help someone, to shoot him. That was great. Other than that, I seriously disliked this one. The villagers annoyed me to no end. And Canon wasn't the best costume job they have ever pulled off. Mostly, I felt I had seen this story told on many different shows, and didn't see the usual "Stargate Spin" on it to make it stand out. I would probably rate this as one of my three LEAST favourites.

Teddybrown
March 27th, 2008, 12:49 PM
I think it was an ok episode
Not too much action but a bit of "is Teal'c alive?"
What happened to the ring that Jack got given? Do we ever see it again?
I think it was nice to see an Unas make an appearance
Hope we see more of them
Also nice to see some religion coming into the episode. Christianity really tied in what with Sokar being the "Satan" and the Unas as the "Devil".
Also the Middle Ages showed because it was kind of witch crafty as they thought SG1 was possessed by Demons and Teal'cs trials were like the ones they did on witches

RobertF
June 4th, 2008, 08:21 PM
I enjoyed this episode. The Dark Age village looked great, and the Unas character was fun (OK, it's a guy in a big latex suit, but it looked awesome). O'Neill's comments after arriving on the world were hilarious: "Trees, trees, and more trees..." or something along those lines, and then the Mike Myers nod with the pinky. I like the episodes where SG1 walks into an ancient or medieval era village and the locals scramble in fear and shock.

It was interesting to see Dark Age Europeans (Englishmen?) in this episode. I'm curious if the characters had any recollection of how their ancestors arrived on this world. I suppose Sokar only transplanted a small seed population of humans to this world, hence their culture hadn't yet progressed out of a medieval culture (especially since they had no access to ancient Greek & Roman learning as medieval Europeans on Earth did). Whether Sokar used the Antarctic stargate or ships to relocate the humans to this planet is a good question. I'd imagine that Sokar would be pissed when he stops receiving human hosts from the planet - and might even send Jaffa warriors and Unas to lay waste to the village.

For that matter, why do Goa'uld bother to capture humans at all? Couldn't they just use their advanced technology to grow test tube babies that have been genetically altered to make perfect hosts? It would save the Goa'uld the time and effort of hunting through the Galaxy for suitable hosts.


I was so angry in this episode. Who are this people to decide who bad and who's not. if they really were cristians and have read the bible then they should have known that god doesn't support murder. I can't stand small minded people. they were so ignorant i wanted to kick their ass for what they did to teal'c of course i was happy when he was back.

I hate small-minded people, too. I'm no Biblical scholar, but I'm pretty sure the Old Testament God does support murder in several passages, when he calls upon the Jews to slaughter their enemies.

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 01:51 AM
The first time I watched this episode, when they were forcing Teal'c into the water I was so mad it gave me goosebumps. I knew that he would survive, but it made me feel like killing the Canon and I am a pacifist. When he is shot I found myself feeling a certain amount of emptiness. I began to realize that he was just as much a victim as every person in that village. He did those things to people out of fear and ignorance, not because he was evil at the core. I really do wish that SG-1 could have helped them without such collateral damage being done.

HelloVelo
June 30th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Halfway through this episode, I wanted someone to drill a hole into my head.

Rating: 3/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/demons.html

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 12:13 AM
Halfway through this episode, I wanted someone to drill a hole into my head.

Rating: 3/10



The guy who wore a leather beanie in “Cor-ai” showed up again. Apparently, he is only allowed to appear in boring episodes that feature infuriatingly ignorant villagers. I was happy they killed the Canon.

My biggest complaint about this episode was how the ring wasn’t discussed more. How did the villagers get it? Where did it come from? Why didn’t they use it against the Unas? The explanation of how the villagers were Christians was pretty weak, too.

We learned there were more than one Unas. Sadly, they all don’t speak like James Earl Jones. We also learned that Teal’c can hold his breath for a really long time.

Bonus point for the Dr. Evil impersonation and Sam’s reaction.


I agree that they should have discussed the ring further. However, the reason that the Canon didn't use it against the Unas was obvious. The Canon holds control over his people because they fear the Unas, this is extremely similar to how religions work on Earth. If the canon decided to kill the Unas, his people would start living their own lives and he would loose control. He keeps control by basically saying that if you don't do everything I tell you to than you will be sacrificed. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it was the Goa'uld themselves who gave the Canon's predecessors the ring.

I think your rating of 3/10 was way off, I would give it at least a 5/10

P.S. - Why don't you just post what you write in your blog on the forum?

HelloVelo
July 4th, 2008, 09:27 PM
I agree that they should have discussed the ring further. However, the reason that the Canon didn't use it against the Unas was obvious. The Canon holds control over his people because they fear the Unas, this is extremely similar to how religions work on Earth. If the canon decided to kill the Unas, his people would start living their own lives and he would loose control. He keeps control by basically saying that if you don't do everything I tell you to than you will be sacrificed. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it was the Goa'uld themselves who gave the Canon's predecessors the ring.

I think your rating of 3/10 was way off, I would give it at least a 5/10

P.S. - Why don't you just post what you write in your blog on the forum?


I don't post the blog entries, because I want to spare people from the dreaded "wall of text." Also, I tend to drift off topic.

About the ring and the canon: If he just wanted to control through fear, he could threaten to blast the villagers with the ring.

I doubt the ring was Goa'uld technology. It was too advanced for them. The way it came out of the clouds suggested the Asgard might be responsible.

captain jake
July 4th, 2008, 10:51 PM
I don't post the blog entries, because I want to spare people from the dreaded "wall of text." Also, I tend to drift off topic.

About the ring and the canon: If he just wanted to control through fear, he could threaten to blast the villagers with the ring.

I doubt the ring was Goa'uld technology. It was too advanced for them. The way it came out of the clouds suggested the Asgard might be responsible.

No if the villager see the cannon as a dictator who gains power through fear of his wrath he would have an uprising. He has set the village up to project all of their fears on one another. If the Unas is the bad guy than he is their savior, but at the same time he can control them through suggestion.

It is possible that it is Asgard technology, but I am still leaning toward adopted Goa'uld technology.

HelloVelo
July 5th, 2008, 12:08 AM
It seemed like he could crush any uprising with the old lightning bolt trick. (The villagers weren't particularly bright.) With the Unas out of the way, he wouldn't have to share power.

I'm just saying... If I was in charge of a village and had a magic ring that could kill demons, I'd use it and lord over the citizens. But that's me.

captain jake
July 5th, 2008, 12:44 AM
It seemed like he could crush any uprising with the old lightning bolt trick. (The villagers weren't particularly bright.) With the Unas out of the way, he wouldn't have to share power.

I'm just saying... If I was in charge of a village and had a magic ring that could kill demons, I'd use it and lord over the citizens. But that's me.

Again, then he changes from spiritual leader to monarch and nobody likes a monarch. Besides I'm sure he realizes that the Goa'uld or Demons could get to them other in other ways and I'm sure his ring would be no match for a mother ship.

L E E
July 8th, 2008, 06:34 AM
When did SG1 become so painfully inept?

After helping the girl, they loiter around and let themselves be captured. Apparently, drowning did something to Tealc's strength. It did not look to me that the chains were pinned that deep on the wooden posts. Then when they rolled down the hill, Jack just let the end of the chain drag behind him. Even if the Unas did not step on it, it would have stuck somewhere.

Simon and the Canon look very familiar. I think I've seen them in past episodes. Simon in Cor-Ai and the Canon in The Prisoner.

Some inconsistency again on sensing goauld. How come only Carter can sense the goauld? Then, when the new host was dying, they were standing very near him where it could move to a new host.

At least they got a cool device from this trip.

pritnep
August 18th, 2008, 04:19 AM
This was one of the episode I couldn't actually remember (even though I have watched it before). I thought it was pretty good episode, pretty different civilisation to what we had seen before, taken from a different part of earth and still having their religion.

Yay another Unas Goa'uld, cool to see that again and he did look very cool.

Ring technology was very cool as well, I'm not sure I buy the theory that it's Asgard though.

Teal'c's first :indeed: as well. :D

Black_Sheep
September 2nd, 2008, 06:46 PM
Good episode. I wonder what technology is that strange ring? it certainly is not Goa'uld tech. Maybe Asgard? who knows.

ZoSo
September 13th, 2008, 06:44 AM
I'm pretty sure the ring device is Ancient technology. It's the same weapon the ascended lady uses in Maternal Instinct. It just stuns instead of kills. And the ring itself looks Ancient to me. Don't know why.

Course, how an Ancient weapon ended up on that planet is anyones guess. I doubt Sokar would have access to something like that, and if he did I don't think he would place it there for the sole purpose of keeping the people in check. It was probably already on that planet when the humans were transplanted.

Verdande
October 12th, 2008, 04:40 AM
How come only Carter can sense the goauld?

I wondered about the same. Since when does Carter sense goa'ulds better than Teal'c? And why?

Jack_Bauer
October 12th, 2008, 05:25 AM
I wondered about the same. Since when does Carter sense goa'ulds better than Teal'c? And why?

They both have the ability to sense Goa'uld, whether or not Carter is better at it I dont know. Bt if she is, it might have something to do with how she was blended with a symbiote, sharing the mind, while Teal'c only houses one in his gut, who knows...

Verdande
October 12th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Perhaps you're right that Carter senses it easier because she's blended with a goa'uld. I don't know either.

I just know that in the scene, it looked as if Carter was the only one to sense the goa'uld, and she was standing by the DHD and farthest away from it. Teal'c stood closer to it, and he didn't say anything. Probably not a big deal.

Ulkesh47
October 12th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Carter had a mature symbiote.
Teal'c has an immature symbiote. Teal'c probably doesn't have that protein marker or whatever.

Jack_Bauer
October 12th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Carter had a mature symbiote.
Teal'c has an immature symbiote. Teal'c probably doesn't have that protein marker or whatever.

Does;t it have something to do with the presence of Naquadah in the blood stream? I think both Carter and Teal'c have that. Plus they can both sense it.

RononXSpecialist
November 11th, 2008, 10:28 AM
I thought the ring was Anceint Tech. But it's actually Gau'uld tech for the people who had question about his ring.
YAY for Unas!

balo
February 11th, 2009, 08:40 AM
This was not a very good episode imo, too much of the dark ages for me.

The ring technology was cool , thats all I will remember from this episode.

Rating : 4/10

gateship15
February 16th, 2009, 12:47 AM
this episodeis ok not one of my fave episodes

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 03:03 PM
the unas in this episode died alot more easily than the one in thor's hammer imo though the other one didn't have 3 staff blasts to the chest just mp-5 bullets. BUT, i like that they finally involved christianity even though it shows it's darkest side... i think it would be funny to have henry the 8th pop up in it and then get eaten by an unas ;) that might just be me though...

Pic
February 27th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Part of me is dismayed that Christianity is being portrayed in this negative way, but then decided that the comment about Teal'c reading the bible makes up for it.


TEAL'C I know of no Goa'uld capable of showing the necessary compassion or benevolence that I have read of in your Bible.
O'NEILL You read the Bible, Teal'c?
TEAL'C It is a significant part of your Western culture. Have you not read the Bible O'Neill?
O'NEILL Oh yeah, yeah, not all of it. Actually, I'm listening to it on tape. Don't tell me how it ends.

Of course, I also love all the snarky comments from Jack in this episode as well. ;)

Ulkesh47
February 28th, 2009, 05:08 PM
I thought the ring was Anceint Tech. But it's actually Gau'uld tech for the people who had question about his ring.
I agree that it looks like Goa'uld tech. It looks just like that little Za'tarc laser gun from "Divide and Conquer".

Butlersgate
March 5th, 2009, 07:01 AM
I agree that it looks like Goa'uld tech. It looks just like that little Za'tarc laser gun from "Divide and Conquer".

do they bring that back in later episodes? i can't remember if they do or not, it is a niffty little device. both the lightning ring and za'tarc gun

The Stig
April 24th, 2009, 03:20 PM
i didnlt like this episode. it didn't really have a point to it.

Ulkesh47
April 24th, 2009, 04:58 PM
do they bring that back in later episodes? i can't remember if they do or not, it is a niffty little device. both the lightning ring and za'tarc gun
I believe that Vala has something similar in "Prometheus Unbound".

drewandian
June 17th, 2009, 11:44 AM
wow...um...ok....i'm probably reading alot more into this episode than i should but i can't help it. i think i'm in the minority here, but i really like this episode (even though i thought it was a little slow...). some ppl have mentioned that they didn't think this episode wasn't about anything, but imo it was about a lot. we get more insight into Sokar, the first Goa'uld (at least to my knowledge) to adopt a Biblical figure rather than a mythological one, to impersonate. kudos to TPTB for presenting a story based on Christianity (it can get pretty controversial when we have stories like these....mythology just seems a lot safer and less...i dunno...likely to offend i guess....) some posts mention that this episode presented christianity 'in a bad light' and i don't really see that (yes, i'm a christian). i think it accurately portrayed christianity in the dark ages...sure things are a little different now, but i think they did well to show how things had been. not to mention, not all religious leaders even today are all that noble or spiritual, some tend to use the power they have as a spiritual leader to control "their ppl" or in their favor, just as the canon did. as to the comments about why didn't sg1 do anything right away or just leave or when did they become so incompetent...here's what i think:
they didn't just leave b/c these ppl needed help or they'd just keep being sacrificed to Sokar and that's unacceptable. they did just kill the unas right away b/c the villagers were already scared half to death and shooting an unas in the middle of the town square wouldn't really help. plus, the unas was only part of the problem...they'd still have to deal with the village canon AND figure out a way to keep Sokar from coming and seeking revenge. and killing the unas w/out getting through to canon would not stop the sacrifices.... and i don't know that they were being incompetent...there was a lot at stake (the whole village) and more than one problem to solve....

i think this episode was, in a way, about faith...and teaching the villagers to kinda take control of their own destinies (like i said, i may have read a lot more into this than was there....) it was more than just coming, kicking goa'uld/unas butt and leaving.....


ok...done rambling.....hope SOMEONE out there can follow this (it made sense to me in my head anyway! :) )

WishIwasJoes
June 17th, 2009, 02:50 PM
This episode seemed to be all over the map to me. Setting was typical Dark Ages, it was interesting that we see some christians on a planet but the things get a little funky. I found Simon and Mary both annoying. Also what does a town of dark age folk have with a powerful ring? Yeah it was a gift from the last cannon but can we please hear more from that. With that ring, not with the religion, the cannon held the town in his clutches. Great so a ring replaces burnings big deal? Not that creative. Although I found it really cool to know that Teal'c read the bible.

2/10

Descent
June 17th, 2009, 02:58 PM
I found this to be one of the most frustrating episodes in SG-1 history. The village/people that were stuck in the dark ages and what they did to Teal'c... just didn't do it for me. It's one of the few SG-1 episodes that I will probably never rewatch again. :S

Coela Bellatore
June 26th, 2009, 12:40 AM
I found this to be one of the most frustrating episodes in SG-1 history. The village/people that were stuck in the dark ages and what they did to Teal'c... just didn't do it for me. It's one of the few SG-1 episodes that I will probably never rewatch again. :S

Same, there were also so many times that SG-1 could have quoted from scripture about forgiveness or love or even Jesus rising from the dead in Teal'C's case but I guess none of them ever actually read the bible.

Blackadder
July 15th, 2009, 05:32 AM
Actually the whole concept of the "dark ages" is very controversial among contemporary historians, and a lot of the things that "everyone knows" about the medieval times are flat out wrong.

Some links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages

http://listverse.com/2009/01/07/top-10-myths-about-the-middle-ages/

http://departments.kings.edu/womens_history/witch/werror.html#cruelty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_Middle_Ages#Dark_Ages.3F


The stereotype of the entire Middle Ages as a "Dark Age" supposedly caused by the Christian Church for allegedly "placing the word of religious authorities over personal experience and rational activity" is called a caricature by the contemporary historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers[46], who say "the late medieval scholar rarely experienced the coercive power of the church and would have regarded himself as free (particularly in the natural sciences) to follow reason and observation wherever they led. There was no warfare between science and the church".[47] Historian Edward Grant writes: "If revolutionary rational thoughts were expressed in the Age of Reason [the 18th century], they were only made possible because of the long medieval tradition that established the use of reason as one of the most important of human activities".[48]

It was enjoyable to see more of the Unas though! :)

danny.d
October 9th, 2009, 08:56 AM
I found this to be one of the most frustrating episodes in SG-1 history. The village/people that were stuck in the dark ages and what they did to Teal'c... just didn't do it for me. It's one of the few SG-1 episodes that I will probably never rewatch again. :S
ever heard of the inquisition?
belive me there are much worse things that the church has done in the middle ages in the name of God, teal'c can count himself lucky that he was not burned alive or something like that

mrscopterdoc
March 7th, 2010, 08:45 PM
An okay episode nothing special but good to see the Unas again.

Wiz3000
March 27th, 2010, 01:37 AM
TEAL'C I know of no Goa'uld capable of showing the necessary compassion or benevolence that I have read of in your Bible.


Anyone else felt this was just in there to sort of suck up to the audience who is to a large part christian?
I didn't like it at all.

Another thing I was wondering about was this gate burying thing. To me those gates look pretty sturdy there on their stone platforms. Wouldn't it be pretty hard for a medieval society to dislodge it and bury it? :)

icsteffi
May 27th, 2010, 09:36 PM
Anyone else felt this was just in there to sort of suck up to the audience who is to a large part christian?
I didn't like it at all.

Another thing I was wondering about was this gate burying thing. To me those gates look pretty sturdy there on their stone platforms. Wouldn't it be pretty hard for a medieval society to dislodge it and bury it? :)

I agree with both of those things. I was really wondering about how they would manage to bury that gate, yeah.

Anyways... Now that I'm watching SGU, and rewatching SG1--- this episode really bothers me. I probably wouldn't have thought about it before all the SGU debate, but who the heck do the SG1 think they are....

They were resolved to unhandcuff this girl (Mary) right away, without even knowing her crime or the circumstances. She could have been a murderer, or something else BAD! Sometimes SG1 doesn't think.

Also.. they mentioned that the goa'uld could reach them by ship within a couple of years. Guess they are not very forward thinking?

Spoiler from SGU season 1.5:
This train of thought sparked by the question of the Lucian Alliance, and their motives. Telford claiming that Earth hasn't taken responsibility for lots of bad things...

Girlbot
June 23rd, 2010, 08:46 AM
ever heard of the inquisition?
belive me there are much worse things that the church has done in the middle ages in the name of God, teal'c can count himself lucky that he was not burned alive or something like that

:eek: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition :eek:

maneth
August 22nd, 2010, 10:36 PM
I'm of two minds with this one. On the one hand I thought it was great that they dared to take up ancient Christianity instead of the dead Egyptian or Norse religions. On the other, it left me really frustrated, there's no guarantee anything really changed for those poor people, even if they managed to bury the gate.

Darkland
August 23rd, 2010, 06:26 AM
This episode was pretty much lame duck for me - It didn't do anything for me when it's all about religion. Was watchable, but it was not what I call one of those episodes I would rush to review.

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 5th, 2011, 11:59 AM
This is going to sound strange to many, especially given the comments I've seen in this thread, but this is possibly my favourite episode of SG-1. All the elements come together in a way that really click with me, from the general atmosphere, the dialogue, the casting, the acting, the effects and the plot.

The medieval European style of the village is something I love (although it could have benefitted from a larger budget to make the set more impressive). It immediately brings up a certain feeling and atmosphere which I find attractive. I love the muddy forests next to the simple stone buildings. I love the magical feel to the effects the canon's ring has. I adore the girl they cast to play Mary (who also appeared in what is possibly my favourite Atlantis episode, 'The Brotherhood') and guy who plays Simon is excellent, as he also was in season 1's 'Cor-Ai', and he is given some beautiful dialogue. The actor for the village canon is perfect, because he is so unlikable you want to punch him - which is exactly the point.

The episode looks gorgeous. On top of that, we have the return of Unas, who always rank amongst my favourite creatures of the Stargate universe. The one here is unfortunately nowhere near as impressive as the original in 'Thor's Hammer', but he serves his purpose well. The depiction of the village he terrorises comes across as quite realistic to me, as even Simon spends 90% of the episode too scared to stand up to him.

I really like the section where Teal'c is tested, and SG-1's reactions to realising they are going to kill him is nicely done. The ending is the main part which bugs me. It's not a bad ending, but the way it plays out is a little too rushed and it's too clear that something is up. Even an extra 5 minutes to make the reveal of the canon's takeover a little more subtle would have benefitted things greatly.

- Quite a lot of comedy for such a dark episode. Jack's Dr. Evil finger is great, and really dates the episode!

- Carter mentions at one point that the lightning bolt felt like a zat blast. I might be wrong, but I don't recall that Carter has ever been shot by a zat at this point.

- Season 3 has had several episodes which really promote how well SG-1 work together, and this one is no exception. The difference here is that they are working in quite different ways to play to their strengths. They all want to help the village, but in this case it is Daniel who naturally needs to take the lead, and Jack doesn't do a lot to get in his way and only takes over when it's clear his skills are needed more.

- I think this is one of the most fascinating cultures we've come across in the show so far, and I think it's the one that has been the most fully explored so far. Many of the previous cultures were portrayed with very little depth, but the writers/producers seem to have taken this one quite a bit more seriously. The trepanning freaks me out a bit.

RATING: 9.5 out of 10 (because no episode is perfect)

fems
October 5th, 2011, 02:34 PM
- Carter mentions at one point that the lightning bolt felt like a zat blast. I might be wrong, but I don't recall that Carter has ever been shot by a zat at this point.



Perhaps she was referring to the (slight) electrical jolt they got in Seth, which supposedly was similar to a zat blast. Or the energy weapon Aris Boch used on her. Or she knows how it feels from Jolinar's memories...

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 7th, 2011, 02:08 AM
Oh yes, most likely from Jolinar. I doubt the little electric fizz in the ear from Seth was anything close to a zat.

dtheories
October 9th, 2011, 10:40 PM
They didn't call them the Dark Ages because they were dark.

This ep feels like setting the table for Sokar. True, Jack ready to go in guns blazing without really understanding what they were up against gave us the action for the story, but on balance, the theme was that people were oppressed, could not fend for themselves and needed (SG-1) to rescue them.

Sokar should be salivating by now.

Krisz
October 11th, 2011, 08:04 PM
O'NEILL : Ah, trees, trees, and more trees. What a wonderfully green universe we live in, eh?

Just had to be said! LOL!

A grim jaunt through 'Medieval World' here. Drowning heretics and trepanning, just another day in the village! Teal'c 'rising from the dead' was the highlight, mainly because his fellow team members were just as surprised as the villagers!

Jae'a
October 12th, 2011, 08:41 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/14340.html)

Matt G
October 12th, 2011, 03:22 PM
5pm and another ep of SG1...

1. Was very surprised they even attempted to take on medieval Christianity.

2. Had forgotten about the trepanning. Says it all about medieval medical knowledge.

3. "Unas! Uno! One!" Too right!

4. Teal'c coolly gets up...and everyone freaks out!

5. Why the hell didn't Daniel say "she isn't posessed now, but if you let her go she will be!" Pretty easy to understand!

Decent ep!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 12th, 2011, 05:27 PM
I thought it was a boring episode.

SG-1 saved a planet and told them to bury the gate after they left.

Tomorrow, an SG team is brain washed into thinking Apophis is their god (or something).

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 13th, 2011, 01:44 PM
So, is this the episode where Jack gets his scar? I think so.

Liked the end.

Seaboe

jelgate
October 15th, 2011, 02:45 PM
A big problem with this one is the whole basis of the society. I can't understand how people would not notice the abduction of people from the Middle Ages. It was understandable for history to be lost from ancient Egypt but Christian villagers of just a 1000 years ago baffles me. That aside I did like its insight to dark age culture and the horrors that age brought in religious corruption. While it was pretty obvious Tealc wasn't going to die I thought his way of surviving was creative. Not to mention I liked the Unas Goauld jumping host. Its too bad we never see a Unas Goa'uld again because I liked seeing SG1 battle this one

Starscape91
October 16th, 2011, 03:48 PM
The actor that played Simon was in Cor-Ai he was the one that wanted Teal'c dead. I really don't like this episode I think I've only watched this one once before.

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 17th, 2011, 03:13 AM
An okay ep. It's always great to see Unas. Especially bad ones.

Zombie Teal'c!

davidf
November 6th, 2011, 06:54 PM
Marie has posted her thoughts on this episode in Blogging Stargate (http://blogging-stargate.blogspot.com/2011/11/demons-3-x-08.html) ... I've added an imaginary conversation with Teal'c about Christianity and the Bible in the comments (http://blogging-stargate.blogspot.com/2011/11/demons-3-x-08.html?showComment=1320629298260#c5299527935050196671).

CMWriter
November 6th, 2011, 07:30 PM
Marie has posted her thoughts on this episode in Blogging Stargate SG-1 (http://blogging-sg1.blogspot.com/2011/11/demons-3-x-08.html) ... I've added an imaginary conversation with Teal'c about Christianity and the Bible in the comments (http://blogging-sg1.blogspot.com/2011/11/demons-3-x-08.html?showComment=1320629298260#c5299527935050196671).

Oh! I now know who you are!
I find it awkward to reply to comments on my own blog because the formatting is strange, but I'm glad I've found you here so I can thank you for following, commenting, and all that good stuff.

Very interesting thoughts. I'm glad my blog has sparked that little bit of discussion. That's really all I can ask for. (:

davidf
November 6th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Oh! I now know who you are!
I find it awkward to reply to comments on my own blog because the formatting is strange, but I'm glad I've found you here so I can thank you for following, commenting, and all that good stuff.
No problem!

For interested people -- there is a thread about CMWriter's blog here (http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/82633-Watching-SG-1-for-the-first-time!-Plus-a-blog!) too.

Dave2
November 20th, 2011, 12:30 PM
Why did it take Samantha Carter so long to detect the goa'uld in the priest?
When a particular civilization buries a stargate, that effectively ends their contact with anyone, however they mentioned that the goa'ulds would travel by spaceship instead of ther stargate, so what difference would it make to Simon's people??

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 20th, 2011, 06:47 PM
Why did it take Samantha Carter so long to detect the goa'uld in the priest?
She had to wait until he was close enough; also, she had to think--something was not right, what was it? It really isn't all that long.

Seaboe

Dave2
December 1st, 2011, 02:24 PM
When did these Middle Ages humans get brought to their planet by the Goa'ulds if it was after the Earth stargate was buried??

hlndncr
December 1st, 2011, 02:31 PM
When did these Middle Ages humans get brought to their planet by the Goa'ulds if it was after the Earth stargate was buried??

My guess would be the middle ages. ;)

There was a second Stargate in Antarctica, and we know the goa'uld knew about it because dead Serpent Gaurds were found near the DHD.

Dave2
December 2nd, 2011, 08:22 AM
That makes sense and would have been a good storyline to follow, i.e. how Ra et al got around the buried stargate by somehow detecting the second one, and using it. Of course it would have required alot more resources to bring human slaves all the way to Antarctica from Egypt or Europe, which is apparently what they did in this episode.


My guess would be the middle ages. ;)

There was a second Stargate in Antarctica, and we know the goa'uld knew about it because dead Serpent Gaurds were found near the DHD.

muziqaz
December 6th, 2011, 08:26 AM
Not a big fan of unas and/or religious fanatism.

Dimes
December 24th, 2011, 01:30 PM
Reminded me of how crazy people can be when it comes to religion :P

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 01:30 PM
The only thing that seriously irks me about Stargate...any episode dealing with religion treats it all as evil/fanatical/naive. :mad: I know it's just a show, but when will they stop demonizing religious people and embracing Eastern stuff as 'good'? Not everyone who worships God as a singular person is bad! :sholva: (erm...bad example...)

*rant over*

Major Clanger
January 12th, 2013, 12:17 PM
pretty meh ep for me
the Canon was too bad all the time and using his power. I would have preferred him to have been a bit more conflicted about the way that he was ensuring that the villagers mostly stayed alive.

And a bit more explanation about the ring wouldn't have gone amiss.

But lots of lovely build up for Sokar over the last few eps. Great stuff.

Falcon Horus
June 3rd, 2013, 04:39 PM
Managed to get through this episode, albeit had to restrain myself by putting my hands underneath me so I couldn't turn it off... However, I will never watch this episode again. I absolutely and truly hate it. Not dislike but hate... true hate.

Dark ages were dark for a reason -- oh goddess yes...

Idiots, the lot of them. Ignorant idiots to the nth degree. With that fat dude in the lead, controlling his flock as much as the devil he worships (read that however you like).

The village setting - we'll see that a couple times more over the years.

One cool thing - the alien creature that scurries out of the way, and later over the side of the building -- a cute little alien lizard. :)

Henceforth, I shall ignore this episode, and pretend it never existed in the first

I Am Not James Spader
May 18th, 2015, 05:07 AM
It seems a few missed the plot line about Simon - the man of faith who saved the day.

Anyway, another great episode - every episode in Seasion 3 so far have been far superior to the previous seasons, especially this one and Learning Curve. The locations, in particular the forests are getting dull, so it was funny to hear O'Neill comment on yet another woodland planet. :)

garhkal
May 18th, 2015, 06:51 PM
One thing i really wish they would have expanded on (or gone back to) was what the heck was it that caused that blast, from when the town mayor dude 'rubbed' his ring?

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 05:13 AM
Not a big fan of unas and/or religious fanatism.

Same here!!

maneth
March 25th, 2016, 10:30 AM
Better than I remembered, but I'm not a fan of religious fanatics either. Simon was cool, though. That said, I'm glad this is the only episode to deal with Christian mythology.

Falcon Horus
March 25th, 2016, 07:23 PM
I remember I had to turn this episode off halfway through as I was about ready to throw something at the screen, at that idiot Simon. Dumbass!

They should have just packed up and leave them to their fanatics.

Anja
March 25th, 2016, 11:54 PM
I remember I had to turn this episode off halfway through as I was about ready to throw something at the screen, at that idiot Simon. Dumbass!

They should have just packed up and leave them to their fanatics.

I think it was better the way they handled it although I do understand why you thought/think that way.

Nirude
May 16th, 2016, 03:39 AM
This is going to sound strange to many, especially given the comments I've seen in this thread, but this is possibly my favourite episode of SG-1. All the elements come together in a way that really click with me, from the general atmosphere, the dialogue, the casting, the acting, the effects and the plot.

I agree it's a really good episode, not my absolute favorite but one of my favorites (of which there are many!). For most people it's not really an episode you enjoy much on your first pass through SG-1 since you're mostly waiting for the cool story episodes, but on the second time through you can easily see how these "planet of the week" episodes have a lot of atmospheric depth to them. It kind of felt like a season one episode which was welcome.

The Unas are quite a formidable race so they suited the theme perfectly and make me look forward to rewatching future Unas episodes.. I think there are only two more? A shame, maybe we would of seen more of them if SG-1 had a bigger budget. It's always easier to portray "human" aliens, I guess, something SGA and SGU mixed up a bit at least.

The story has some holes relating to Christians as posted by several people here, but I can see why they chose this particular set up. The dark age theme drives the whole episode while reinforcing the connection between Sokar and "our" Satan. This too-literal connection maybe hurt the episode for some people.. In their case, it would of perhaps been more interesting to see a truly alien Satan-like figure from the perspective of a non-Christian village/settlement. I'm not sure how that would of turned out though :P

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 16th, 2016, 07:54 AM
you can easily see how these "planet of the week" episodes have a lot of atmospheric depth to them.

I love the planet of the week episodes, much more than most of the longer-arc episodes. I mean, they have 42 minutes to devote to developing the world, fitting in a plot and characterization at the same time. A lot of the longer-arc episodes aren't as well balanced between world development, plot and characterization, because they can emphasize one over the others, since the audience is (theoretically) already familiar with the arc.

This is especially true for me in the last two seasons.

Seaboe

Nirude
May 16th, 2016, 08:30 AM
I love the planet of the week episodes, much more than most of the longer-arc episodes. I mean, they have 42 minutes to devote to developing the world, fitting in a plot and characterization at the same time. A lot of the longer-arc episodes aren't as well balanced between world development, plot and characterization, because they can emphasize one over the others, since the audience is (theoretically) already familiar with the arc.

This is especially true for me in the last two seasons.

Seaboe
Me too, especially on my rewatch. I even really enjoyed Emancipation.. it's like watching a whole new SG-1 mission that I've never seen before as I didn't really pay attention the first time hah. :) The story episodes like the season one finale are still fun to an extent but I wouldn't want to watch them individually out of order like I would the potw episodes.

Stargatefan99
May 16th, 2016, 08:30 AM
I agree. Planet of the week episodes are by far some of the best in the show, and it's sort of what I missed from the later seasons. On the other hand, I personally don't feel that Demons is the greatest example of this episode structure.

Anja
May 17th, 2016, 09:14 AM
It's good to see that we all feel different about the eps - That's what made (and still makes) Stargate so successful!

Falcon Horus
January 23rd, 2018, 05:18 PM
Yup, still hate it with the power of a 1000+ suns.

This episode can pack up and hike to hell and never come back.

A canon who sounds like an Italian mob-boss, and pretty much acts the part. A showcase of why the Dark Ages took Europeans back to the stone age instead of forward into a thriving future -- the church keeping the peasants ignorant and stupid, all the while taking every bit of power they could get.

Wanted to smack Simon upside the head pretty much the entire time, and then there are several choice words I'd use to describe the mob-boss that would be censored in a split second -- even before I wrote them.

Ugh... hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, haaaaaaate this episode. Next rewatch, I'm skipping this one. Not going through that again.

Also, a serious cop out when they could have actually have god be the Goa'uld.
Even though Sokar is Satan -- still a cop out.

How would you rate SG-1's "Demons?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible -- no redeeming qualities (even Tapping's smile in the beginning when O'Neill does a Doctor Evil pinkie can't save this one)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 24th, 2018, 07:38 AM
For once, I agree without reservation. Despite what I said above about stand-alones, I haven't re-watched this episode since I saw it the first time.

Seaboe

jelgate
January 27th, 2018, 01:40 PM
Meh. It's okay. Like many of the planet of week stories it's not terrible but it's also not good. I thought it was a way to show Sokar's influence even if it's not him personally. Yes Simon is annoying but so are a lot of people on these ancient culture planets. It's a fair even if the canon ring thing made no sense. Why not use it on the Unas?

Falcon Horus
February 11th, 2018, 03:58 PM
3-episode quiz: Deadman Switch, Demons & Rules of Engagement (https://goo.gl/forms/ZlSLenP8Z80DhfFs1)

Jigsaw puzzle: Demons (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=WGX4JO61)
-- for which I scored 07:06

jelgate
March 4th, 2018, 03:07 PM
Gave me a little sweat but I still one with 6 minutes and 20 seconds

Falcon Horus
March 5th, 2018, 07:24 AM
Gave me a little sweat but I still one with 6 minutes and 20 seconds

Lots of greens in this one. It shows I don't like the episode much, I guess. :p

Alterus
June 6th, 2018, 02:56 AM
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SG-1 finds a medieval Christian society terrorized by Sokar and the Unas, and is accused of being possessed by demons.

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Just what bible has Teal’c read, God spends most of it sending floods to destroy humanity, destroying cities with fire and murdering babies

Falcon Horus
June 6th, 2018, 03:27 AM
Just what bible has Teal’c read, God spends most of it sending floods to destroy humanity, destroying cities with fire and murdering babies

Ssshhht.... that's blasphemy... :p

BethHG
June 23rd, 2018, 10:24 AM
5:14. :D

This was an okay episode. I found enjoyable though, because my husband and my oldest son were making jokes throughout the whole episode.

Platschu
August 27th, 2018, 10:51 AM
3x08 Demons
The Nox clearning was reused again. A few new bushes and small trees have grown in the last 2 years.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x08/02.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x08/01.jpg

Falcon Horus
August 28th, 2018, 02:37 AM
3x08 Demons
The Nox clearning was reused again. A few new bushes and small trees have grown in the last 2 years.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x08/02.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x08/01.jpg

The only good thing about that episode, I guess, is the re-use of that beautiful bit of landscape.

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 04:03 AM
As I watched it back it wasn't that bad. Probably one of the worst after Urgo in this season.

I loved that little alien animal on the tree when they discover the monastery. This Christian environment could have been a good connection to the future Arthur storyline...

But it was pretty weird when Daniel suggested that the Goa'uld must have used the gate in Antarctic to abduct this people. That is a huge plot hole, since theoratically the Goa'uld hasn't returned to Earth after the rebellion against Ra. Maybe we will hear more about in future SG spinoffs or fanfics. ;)

Falcon Horus
August 28th, 2018, 08:15 AM
I loved that little alien animal on the tree when they discover the monastery.

OH my goddess, yes... I loved that little alien. It's one of the few times that they made the effort to show us alien animal life in a detailed shot.

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 10:18 AM
And say goodbye to the budget after it... :P

This one has clearly readable English text on it:
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/p9x-3971/04.jpg
So I am not surprised that this episode felt a bit odd in the Stargate mythology. They should have used gods and people from the Ancient times. Imho.

Falcon Horus
August 30th, 2018, 07:41 AM
And say goodbye to the budget after it... :P

This one has clearly readable English text on it:
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/bolygo/p9x-3971/04.jpg
So I am not surprised that this episode felt a bit odd in the Stargate mythology. They should have used gods and people from the Ancient times. Imho.

Considering they never tried anything like that again, more or less proves they realized it wasn't going to work out with the whole gate-burying thing.

Platschu
August 30th, 2018, 01:06 PM
Or we could have a proper SG story why the Goa'uld has never returned...

Who Knows
September 15th, 2018, 01:58 AM
7.52

Xaeden
September 15th, 2018, 09:19 AM
But it was pretty weird when Daniel suggested that the Goa'uld must have used the gate in Antarctic to abduct this people. That is a huge plot hole, since theoratically the Goa'uld hasn't returned to Earth after the rebellion against Ra. Maybe we will hear more about in future SG spinoffs or fanfics. ;)

It isn't really a plot hole. The implication is that the gate was buried (presumably by ice) when Ra was on Earth and became unburied sometime after, allowing Sokar to come in and take humans away under Ra's nose after figuring out that he could dial Earth. (Even though Ra lost interest in trying to maintain control of Earth, it was still within his territorial sphere and he likely wouldn't have been happy with another Goa'uld establishing a base of power there.)

We also know that Aphophis discovered that a connection could be made after Ra left and sent a pair of serpent guards through. The writers gave us enough details to allow us to surmise that this happened after Sokar took people off the planet because those Jaffa died next to the gate and therefore likely weren't able to dial back out because the DHD had stopped working at that point. An early one-off Teal'c line explained that it was standard practice to send scouts through the gate. If those scouts didn't return, it was assumed that they died and thus they didn't bother to send more people through.

So, although not explicitly explained, the bits that the writers did give us paint a picture of a gate that was buried in ice until after Ra left, became unburied between the Ancient Egyptian and medieval periods, and was used by two different Goa'uld who were apparently the only ones who took the time to test Earth's gate address after thousands of years. One Goa'uld only cared to briefly harvest people to be used as slaves on worlds within his sphere of power and the other sent scouts through who never reported back so there was no follow-up.

We also know that Earth wasn't very important. It lacked key minerals and was only ever valuable because it was Ra's historical seat of power and because it was a source of slaves, but slaves had already been transported through the gate in such large numbers by the time Ra left that there was little need to continually take more off Earth. Sokar had a need for more at one point for reasons that we don't know, but other Goa'uld were abandoning human populations left and right when they became more trouble than they were worth.

Further, while for a period of time there the reason the Antarctica gate became unburied was assumed to be a result of the natural shifting of ice, the introduction of the Merlin storyline suggests that he may have been the one to unbury it, which made it possible for Sokar to later establish a connection. Again, there's not a line directly pointing to this, but it is sufficiently implied since we know that Merlin used the gate network and had a base of operations on Earth just prior to Sokar's intrusion.

If we get more official Stargate stories, a few more brief lines about it could be thrown around to confirm existing hints or reaffirm existing information that viewers might have missed, but this doesn't need to be told in explicit detail. Enough threads were given already for us to piece together a timeline, and that's really all that is needed. Nothing that we know has happened with it is interesting enough to warrant its own story and having a character who knows everything that happened sit down and explain all that in detail would be forced.

Platschu
September 18th, 2018, 06:28 AM
Nice and detailed response, thank you.

Honestly I am not so sure that the writers / the producers even remember this episode or any part of the conversations at all. I was also thinking in my fan fiction thread (Milky Way 2020) that they should establish different eras of the Stargate history, so we could imagine different settings and where potential new spinoffs or fan fictions could start. Like Four Alliance era, Ancient infection era, pre-Atlantis leaving era, extinct/ascended Ancient era, pre-Goa'uld era, under Goa'uld era, after Goa'uld era, Camelot era etc. But this step needs some planning ahead in the SG lore and only BW/RCC/JG can do such major things. ;)

Falcon Horus
September 22nd, 2018, 09:12 AM
That sounds suspiciously like a story book of stargate history.

Guidelines for the screen accurate and canon fanfic writers -- I'm not one of them cause in those scenarios my two favorite characters would never be used or heck date each other. :p

hedwig
September 22nd, 2018, 04:18 PM
4:53

Falcon Horus
September 22nd, 2018, 04:19 PM
4:53

That's a fast one. :p

hedwig
September 23rd, 2018, 03:21 PM
That's a fast one. :p

It surprised me, too. :)

lunasera
December 5th, 2018, 02:05 AM
5.07 This episode is okay, but I'm never a huge fan of religious based stories.

Falcon Horus
December 5th, 2018, 05:31 AM
5.07 This episode is okay, but I'm never a huge fan of religious based stories.

Err... the Goa'uld impersonate Ancient Egyptian gods... :p

lunasera
December 5th, 2018, 11:23 AM
Err... the Goa'uld impersonate Ancient Egyptian gods... :p

haha, well you got me there - I guess I more specifically don't like fanatical Christian/Catholic stories much (the one later where the planet is getting hot and the people won't evacuate drives me nuts too) - once this one moved to the unas/goa'uld part it was fine lol.

Falcon Horus
December 6th, 2018, 02:57 AM
I guess I more specifically don't like fanatical Christian/Catholic stories much...

Now, I'm curious... but neither did TPTB apparently cause they never touched upon such devotion again until the Ori storyline, which is equally fanatical.

lunasera
December 6th, 2018, 02:34 PM
Now, I'm curious... but neither did TPTB apparently cause they never touched upon such devotion again until the Ori storyline, which is equally fanatical.

I actually don't even remember the Ori storyline - I watched it once, but pretty much never revisited seasons 9 and 10 - perhaps I should remedy that, but RDA was a pretty central part of the show for me.

Chaka-Z0
December 6th, 2018, 07:52 PM
I actually don't even remember the Ori storyline - I watched it once, but pretty much never revisited seasons 9 and 10 - perhaps I should remedy that, but RDA was a pretty central part of the show for me.

The only thing amusing about the Ori is this. If you get the joke, you're a geek.

42791

Falcon Horus
December 8th, 2018, 02:29 PM
I actually don't even remember the Ori storyline - I watched it once, but pretty much never revisited seasons 9 and 10 - perhaps I should remedy that, but RDA was a pretty central part of the show for me.

I watched it once too -- the DVD's have never even been out of their box, but honestly Mitchell and Vala saved SG-1 for me after that abysmal 8th season so I'm actually surprised I haven't seen it more. Probably because my attention was occupied with newer shows.

jelgate
December 8th, 2018, 05:43 PM
You also tend lose interest after awhile.:P

The Ori story always has been very polarizing in fandom. People either hate or love it. I'm the latter given how bad S7 and S8 were

Chaka-Z0
December 9th, 2018, 12:32 AM
What's so bad about S8?

lunasera
December 9th, 2018, 01:01 PM
What's so bad about S8?

I agree that season 8 isn't worse than 9/10 - at least Jack is still around a bit more. Somehow Mitchell just changes the dynamic too much for me - it's like different show at that point (with the exception of the shroud episode).

Falcon Horus
December 9th, 2018, 03:03 PM
You also tend lose interest after awhile.:p

Can't be helped... I literally have the attentionspan of a gnat. :p

jelgate
December 9th, 2018, 03:07 PM
What's so bad about S8?

Its boring and the team barely leaves the SGC. A lot of the problems are based on how everyone had to work around RDA's limited schedule. The inconsistent stories reflect that to me

Chaka-Z0
December 9th, 2018, 04:57 PM
I see.

I really loved Avatar and Citizen Joe though.

Xaeden
December 9th, 2018, 10:09 PM
You also tend lose interest after awhile.:P

The Ori story always has been very polarizing in fandom. People either hate or love it. I'm the latter given how bad S7 and S8 were

I am of the opinion that it started slow, but was picking up in the lead-up to the cancellation. The way I have always explained it is that seasons 9 and 10 are really a new show unto itself. It spent time in "introduction mode" where we essentially got thrown a lot of information about this new enemy and all these new mythological based settings that came with it, which slowed down the pacing. It also took some time for the writers to work out how to best present these new ideas. The introduction of Adria, for example, was, in my opinion, a significant improvement as it allowed the Ori to be represented through a consistent face (as opposed to a string of random Priors). Add on the emotional connection she had with Vala and Adria's more dynamic (than a Prior's personality, and the stories started becoming more engaging. I also thoroughly enjoyed Vala becoming a main cast member, but that's hit or miss for many people.

Unfortunately, I think too many people were unwilling to look at it as a new show that needed time to grow and find itself. Because the Sci fi channel nixed the idea of doing it as a reboot called "Stargate Command," while claiming that they didn't want to lose Sg-1's "winning name," people labeled it "not Sg-1" and could only talk about it in terms of whether or not it continued to be as engaging to them as previous seasons. Meanwhile, if many of us weren't patient with Sg-1's first season or two, we would have missed out on what became a very good show. And, mind you, no matter what one thinks of season 9, I can't imagine there are many who sincerely think it was inferior to season 1. I found season 1 a chore to get through until the last few episodes; season 9 is just a bit rough around the edges.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 10th, 2018, 08:03 AM
As FH hates SamJack, I hate the Ori story line with the passion of a thousand suns. I don't like the fantasy elements (starting with Merlin being an ancient), and I particularly hate the creation of an unbeatable enemy that they then beat. The show suffered badly from villain escalation.

I'm more or less neutral on the Jack vs. Cam question, and I like Vala as she ultimately became (Momento Mori is one of my favorite episodes). My major problem with seasons 9 and 10 is that I am not a fan of story arcs that take the entire season (or more!) to resolve. I like little bits that continue from episode to episode, and call-backs, but I want each episode to be able to stand on its own.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
December 10th, 2018, 08:05 AM
As FH hates SamJack, I hate the Ori story line with the passion of a thousand suns.

That's a very passionate hate indeed. :p

jelgate
December 10th, 2018, 08:09 AM
She must hate television these days:P

lunasera
December 10th, 2018, 09:37 AM
People dislike Season 1-2 that much?? I agree season 1 has a bunch of throw away episodes but a really solid beginning and ending arc. Season 2 has a bunch of highlight episodes as well. Perhaps less consistent overall, but they lay a good foundation for the next several seasons. Personally I'd watch those over 9, 10 any day.

Xaeden
December 10th, 2018, 10:53 AM
and I particularly hate the creation of an unbeatable enemy that they then beat. The show suffered badly from villain escalation.

To be fair, that was also the Goa'uld at their inception. Earth lacked an outward ability to tackle a Goa'uld ship for the longest time. The ineffectiveness of existing weaponry against Ori shields was not too different than the ineffectiveness of those naquadah enhanced nuclear weapons that hit Apophis' shields in the season 1 finale. The Goa'uld were an all imposing force who Sg-1 was only able to combat because they used "slippery" tactics (e.g. sneaking aboard ships and destroying them from the inside) and they were only able to do that because there was always some reason why the Goa'uld refrained from launching a full on attack against Earth (the Asgard were replaced by the weapons platform, which remained the reason the Ori held back). That only marginally changed over time with the discovery/development of new technology.

The Ori were essentially a reset, designed to bring Sg-1 back to those early days. The sudden development of weapons to defeat Ori ships in battle and their quick defeat was, of course, badly handled, but it was badly handled because the cancellation left them no other option but to fast track everything. Had the show been allowed to continue, we could have gotten whole seasons of Sg-1 tackling Ori ships in creative ways (beating them from within, taking over one ship and using it against another, being in a position to use Ancient drones against one, etc.), and when the Asgard stepped in with the development of new anti-Ori shield weapons, those weapons could have been toned down. Meaning, they could've given Earth the ability to slowly do damage to Ori shields, not take them down with in a couple of hits.

The ascended Ori were gone by the middle of season 2. At that point the threat then became their fanatical followers who were intent on trying continuing on the path that they thought their gods wanted them even in their absence. This opened up the door to several consequences: The stories could have shifted to how the Ori followers were making decisions based on their misinterpretations of the wishes of absent gods and the Ori galaxy could have been opened up for Sg-1 to explore as the threat of the Ori stepping in if they made too large a splash there was gone. I don't, by the way, know that Adria would've taken over (at least not as quickly) had the show not been canceled as the 19th episode was written after the announcement.


People dislike Season 1-2 that much?? I agree season 1 has a bunch of throw away episodes but a really solid beginning and ending arc. Season 2 has a bunch of highlight episodes as well. Perhaps less consistent overall, but they lay a good foundation for the next several seasons. Personally I'd watch those over 9, 10 any day.

I am mostly in line with your view. I enjoyed the pilot, the last few episodes of season 1, and I liked season 2 well enough. I used to post on IMDB a lot back in the day. There, I was involved in a constant stream of threads from new viewers asking when the show got good. They all disliked the early episodes (the pilot was often either deemed okay or disliked as well; others thought it was a strong opening that was followed by a dip in quality), and most veteran posters who replied agreed and would tell them to stick it out until X point in the series.

I would often tell people that, for me, the show had me hooked with those last three episodes of the first season. "There But For the Grace of God," was a good lead-up to the finale, "Politics" I love despite being a clip show because of how angry Kinsey made me (I enjoy a performance that can make me emotionally involved in any way), and the finale was simply amazing at the time. Before that it was a bit of a chore to make my way through the show (some episodes were interesting, but not enough to hook me in). After that finale, though, I had no problem getting through season 2.

Many people would often say that they had to get through season 2 before the show improved. For me, it has some misses, but I was so jazzed after the finale/premiere episodes that I didn't care.

lunasera
December 10th, 2018, 11:52 AM
I would often tell people that, for me, the show had me hooked with those last three episodes of the first season. "There But For the Grace of God," was a good lead-up to the finale, "Politics" I love despite being a clip show because of how angry Kinsey made me (I enjoy a performance that can make me emotionally involved in any way), and the finale was simply amazing at the time. Before that it was a bit of a chore to make my way through the show (some episodes were interesting, but not enough to hook me in). After that finale, though, I had no problem getting through season 2.

Many people would often say that they had to get through season 2 before the show improved. For me, it has some misses, but I was so jazzed after the finale/premiere episodes that I didn't care.

Totally agree - I still think that 4 episode arc from TBFTGOG is some of the best SG1 ever done.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 11th, 2018, 07:33 AM
To be fair, that was also the Goa'uld at their inception. Earth lacked an outward ability to tackle a Goa'uld ship for the longest time.
IMO, it was a matter of degree. They established right from the get-go that projectile weapons worked against the Goa'uld--not necessarily very well (until the Jaffa armor became ineffective), but they worked. The Ori were an escalation, and one that wasn't IMO necessary. It happens all the time. TPTB create a villain, get tired of it/them and so make them easy to defeat, and then decide to introduce a tougher villain to justify the continuation of the show. When they get tired of the tougher villain, they have to make it/them easy to defeat and come up with yet another one. They justify this in the name of "reality", which is a huge laugh because in real life, the enemy stays the same--it's a matter of increments.

But no one on TV, whether writers or watchers, has the patience for real life, so they have to make it tougher and tougher for the immortal heroes.

Seaboe

lunasera
December 11th, 2018, 09:17 AM
so they have to make it tougher and tougher for the immortal heroes.

Seaboe

For partly this reason I wish they had never had the ascension plot - It always felt all over the place to me, and I preferred when things were more rooted in "science" on the show

Xaeden
December 11th, 2018, 01:07 PM
IMO, it was a matter of degree. They established right from the get-go that projectile weapons worked against the Goa'uld--not necessarily very well (until the Jaffa armor became ineffective), but they worked. The Ori were an escalation, and one that wasn't IMO necessary. It happens all the time. TPTB create a villain, get tired of it/them and so make them easy to defeat, and then decide to introduce a tougher villain to justify the continuation of the show. When they get tired of the tougher villain, they have to make it/them easy to defeat and come up with yet another one. They justify this in the name of "reality", which is a huge laugh because in real life, the enemy stays the same--it's a matter of increments.

But no one on TV, whether writers or watchers, has the patience for real life, so they have to make it tougher and tougher for the immortal heroes.

Seaboe

I get your point and I don't blame you for it leaving a bad taste in your mouth since this is often handled poorly by writers. A common issue that comes up in fantasy is that a character will start off fighting a relatively common foe and then work their way up to being pitted against a demon lord or god-type character without receiving an increase in strength. The idea from the writer's perspective is simply that readers won't get as excited by that character continually fighting enemies on the same level, so the stakes must be amplified. Victories then increasingly depend on temporary power-ups or convenient solve-all devices. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a well known example of this (she went from fighting an old vampire to a god and then the source of all evil and proto-vampires that became as easy to kill as common vampires after a short period where they were unkillable), and Stargate does this plenty itself. The conclusion of the Ori arc unfortunately repeated that, but I'm a little more understanding as they had only a few episode notice and a single movie to wrap things up and they couldn't leave the Ori as an unresolved threat since the franchise was expected to continue in its spin-off.

The slightly nuanced difference is not in relation how things ended up playing out, but the intention; I think the idea was to do a soft-reset where everything they learned about getting through an enemy ship's shield was out the window, so the show could return to it being about characters trying to combat the enemy by running around with guns and C4 and coming up with crafty ways to cause damage to the enemy.