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Viv
June 19th, 2004, 09:06 AM
Hi!

I posted before for a fanfic beta-reading. While I'm waiting, I'd like to ask a few questions about the SGC regs.

1) Would you find it difficult to believe that, in an alternate universe, a doctor in medicine, originally in the Air Force as a psychiatrist, who has studied the Goa'uld extensively and found some extra knowledge out about them (I stress, this is AU), would join SG-1 from the beginning? The character is a Major, I'm guessing she'd be O'Neill's second in command, but her combat experience would be less extensive than Carter's. Any thoughts about this? I'm worried because I read about line and non-line officers, and now I'm confused.

2) What's the SGC's take on romantic relationships between civilian collaborators and officers? I'm wondering about this because according to the regs I've read, it's not permitted. Yet there's the AU Dr Carter/Col. O'Neill couple, which clearly developed while they were both working at the SGC. Do you think Hammond turned a blind eye, or that there's some kind of tolerance?

3) Do you have any idea how people arrived from other planets/dimensions/whatever (such as Teal'c and Jonas) are able to support themselves? Do they get an allowance, are they paid? Are they allowed out of the SGC? What criteria do you think they'd need to meet to not be "prisoners" inside of the SGC? (this especially applies to AU characters who should normally be dead - would they be allowed out at all, and risk being seen by people who knew them?)

Please let me know what you think of these. They are major plot points in my story, I'd rather not get them wrong. ;)

Mr Prophet
June 19th, 2004, 09:18 AM
Given Hammond's reluctance to put Jackson back on the front line, he'd probably be reluctant to put up a non-com officer as well. If Jackson is still on the team, it seems unlikely they'd have another essentially non-combatant member, although even an AF psychiatrist would have more combat training than Daniel. They might be more likely to include a psych or medic on a specialist mission or if SG-1 in this AU was a larger team with perhaps a couple of extra combat types; maybe NCOs.

The USAF prohibits relationships between AF personnel and civilian consultants and contractors "if it erodes good order and discipline". If Dr Carter wasn't part of his field unit, her relationship with Jack was okay. Presumably, the Dr Carter in Point of View was not on SG-1.

Jonas and Teal'c were supported by the SGC. Jonas wasn't aloud off-base unescorted, and even Teal'c only gets out of the complex completely on his own recognizance in Season 8 - there's a whole 'Teal'c gets an apartment' episode. Presumably they'll have him on senior sergeant pay, since that's his effective role (senior sergeant pay incidentally is better than junior officer pay, to the best of my knowledge, since AF senior sergeants act like the warrant officers of other service branches).

Viv
June 19th, 2004, 10:01 AM
Thank you for your answers. They mostly confirm what I was already thinking.


Given Hammond's reluctance to put Jackson back on the front line, he'd probably be reluctant to put up a non-com officer as well.

Thought so. Trouble is, in the Buffyverse, the character seems to have the command of a covert operation, probably at the level of a Colonel, as she is replaced by a Colonel at her death. I have no idea how a scientist gets that kind of responsbility. Obviously, Buffy creators didn't bother much with explaining rank and technical details, so it's all quite fuzzy. But at any rate, I'd rather my AU Walsh and the canon Walsh both have some kind of qualification that would make them competent in combat situations. I just don't know how to pull it off.

Good suggestion though about making SG-1 a larger team, that could work too, if I don't find anything else.


Jonas and Teal'c were supported by the SGC. Jonas wasn't aloud off-base unescorted, and even Teal'c only gets out of the complex completely on his own recognizance in Season 8 - there's a whole 'Teal'c gets an apartment' episode.

Oh, I didn't know about that, very interesting. However, I was wondering where Teal'c and Jonas got civilian clothes. Would these be hand-me-downs from other people in the personnel, or would they have an allowance of some kind, and the possibility to do a little shopping outside? It seems particularly hard for people who are originally from 20th century Earth (from an AU) to be completely confined in the SGC, though I understand the security motivations.

And finally - my knowledge of physics is really bad. Does anyone have a take on what would happen to someone from the quantum mirror who happens to be dead in this dimension? We know that Kawalsky and Daniel didn't suffer any ill-effects over a few days (a week or so for Kawalsky?), but would they have survived indefintely? What exactly causes the breakdown?

Yes, I know, I'm full of questions. I just want to get the plot as credible as possible. ;)

Skydiver
June 19th, 2004, 10:51 AM
1) Would you find it difficult to believe that, in an alternate universe, a doctor in medicine, originally in the Air Force as a psychiatrist, who has studied the Goa'uld extensively and found some extra knowledge out about them (I stress, this is AU), would join SG-1 from the beginning? The character is a Major, I'm guessing she'd be O'Neill's second in command, but her combat experience would be less extensive than Carter's. Any thoughts about this? I'm worried because I read about line and non-line officers, and now I'm confused.


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the sgc seems to be a bit out of the ordinary. now if you had this civilian on the team and had 2 other military folks in addition to jack (ie make danny &/or Teal'c a military officer) then your sam type character would be one civilian among 3 other military folks

or what if you make the team 5 folks, jack, military second, sam, danny, teal'c

2) What's the SGC's take on romantic relationships between civilian collaborators and officers? I'm wondering about this because according to the regs I've read, it's not permitted. Yet there's the AU Dr Carter/Col. O'Neill couple, which clearly developed while they were both working at the SGC. Do you think Hammond turned a blind eye, or that there's some kind of tolerance?

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there is a loophole. if the romantic involvement was a 'preexisting condition'...ie they were married before they were both assigned, then it would be ok. hammy or whomever the CO is would have to approve it befrore it happened. In other words, Jack is at the sgc, your sam type person transfers in and even through she's a civilian, hammond knows that they're dating.


3) Do you have any idea how people arrived from other planets/dimensions/whatever (such as Teal'c and Jonas) are able to support themselves? Do they get an allowance, are they paid? Are they allowed out of the SGC? What criteria do you think they'd need to meet to not be "prisoners" inside of the SGC? (this especially applies to AU characters who should normally be dead - would they be allowed out at all, and risk being seen by people who knew them?)

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i would guess they're paid a stipend each month. if the air force can give cassandra a birth cert and all that, they can do the same for teal'c or jonas.

as to AU folks, if they'd been assigned to colorado springs before, something that would increase the likelyhood of someone knowing them, then i would imagine they could be assigned elsewhere.
and i would imagine that they'd be encouraged to change thier apperace soome how. dye their hair or the such

Mr Prophet
June 19th, 2004, 10:56 AM
Thought so. Trouble is, in the Buffyverse, the character seems to have the command of a covert operation, probably at the level of a Colonel, as she is replaced by a Colonel at her death. I have no idea how a scientist gets that kind of responsbility. Obviously, Buffy creators didn't bother much with explaining rank and technical details, so it's all quite fuzzy. But at any rate, I'd rather my AU Walsh and the canon Walsh both have some kind of qualification that would make them competent in combat situations. I just don't know how to pull it off.

Good suggestion though about making SG-1 a larger team, that could work too, if I don't find anything else.


Hmm. I don't think Maggie Walsh was in the military at all, although she presumably had a sort of 'effective rank' to determine who saluted her (I knew a guy who worked on missile guidance tech; he was a computer geek but on military turf they treated him as a lieutenant in a limited degree).

The Initiative was a Government operation with full military backing, but not under the jurisdiction of the Army, Air Force or any other military service branch. Its soldiers were referred to as 'Agent', so I'd guess that the Demon Research Initiative (est. c.1940!) operated like a covert intelligence op. The SGC works more like a straight military operation.



Oh, I didn't know about that, very interesting. However, I was wondering where Teal'c and Jonas got civilian clothes. Would these be hand-me-downs from other people in the personnel, or would they have an allowance of some kind, and the possibility to do a little shopping outside? It seems particularly hard for people who are originally from 20th century Earth (from an AU) to be completely confined in the SGC, though I understand the security motivations.

Well, Teal'c at least was allowed out - offworld on missions - after a few weeks; Jonas after a few months. It must have been pretty claustrophobic. I guess the SGC supplies the clothes; either that or they let them shop online. I can't believe anyone else buys Teal'c's civvies.



And finally - my knowledge of physics is really bad. Does anyone have a take on what would happen to someone from the quantum mirror who happens to be dead in this dimension? We know that Kawalsky and Daniel didn't suffer any ill-effects over a few days (a week or so for Kawalsky?), but would they have survived indefintely? What exactly causes the breakdown?

Yes, I know, I'm full of questions. I just want to get the plot as credible as possible. ;)

Alternate Carter says that she expected TEC failure to kick in after years, not hours, if there was no duplicate. Presumably a dead double would either have no effect or a limited effect; either way, the crosser would have some years to live; as many as you want really.

Viv
June 19th, 2004, 11:37 AM
Thank you for your responses. It's very helpful. Skydiver, I know about the loophole - I however doubt that was how it happened for AU Sam/Jack. I think that Mr Prophet's answer about the tolerance as long as it doesn't interfere with disciplin seems more likely in that case.


Hmm. I don't think Maggie Walsh was in the military at all,

There isn't any definite answer to the question. I personally doubt that she was only an academic, as she apparently briefed the guys on tactics and was overseeing trainings and such. In the story, I'm assuming that she is/was part of the military for the sake of my plot (the alternate Maggie, obviously, never was in the Initiative). Still, unless I can come up with a great explanation to make her "line" rather than "non-line", I'll have to add a fifth wheel to alternate-SG-1 (no Teal'c in this one).


The Initiative was a Government operation with full military backing, but not under the jurisdiction of the Army, Air Force or any other military service branch. Its soldiers were referred to as 'Agent', so I'd guess that the Demon Research Initiative (est. c.1940!) operated like a covert intelligence op. The SGC works more like a straight military operation.

I know, though I'm very much clueless about how covert intel ops work, who organises/heads them, etc. And I didn't know that about the Initiative. I stopped watching Angel around S2, good thing you mentioned it. Thanks!


I guess the SGC supplies the clothes; either that or they let them shop online. I can't believe anyone else buys Teal'c's civvies.

Actually the first time he went out (I do believe it was in "Cold Lazarus") he seemed to have borrowed clothes from someone, IIRC. But his manner of dressing is... er... interesting enough for us to suppose that he chose them himself.
Besides, he must have some kind of allowance to pay for all those candles. :D


Alternate Carter says that she expected TEC failure to kick in after years, not hours, if there was no duplicate. Presumably a dead double would either have no effect or a limited effect; either way, the crosser would have some years to live; as many as you want really.

Yes, that's what I was thinking too. Ooh, a harder question: would a duplicate item of clothing also undergo some kind of disintegration/disturbance? Or does TEC only apply to living things?

Mr Prophet
June 19th, 2004, 12:31 PM
There isn't any definite answer to the question. I personally doubt that she was only an academic, as she apparently briefed the guys on tactics and was overseeing trainings and such. In the story, I'm assuming that she is/was part of the military for the sake of my plot (the alternate Maggie, obviously, never was in the Initiative). Still, unless I can come up with a great explanation to make her "line" rather than "non-line", I'll have to add a fifth wheel to alternate-SG-1 (no Teal'c in this one).


She's certainly not a field officer; possibly a PsycOps analyst. Mostly she's the nearest they have to an expert on HSTs, which is where her tactical knowledge comes from. But if she was actually a military officer, surely they'd call her 'Colonel' or whatever - as Sam says in CotG, it is appropriate to address an officer by rank, not salutation. The whole thing is complicated by the fact that they were a mixed bag of civvies, agents and military types, so hierarchy was iffy at best. If you want her to hold a military rank that's probably fine, though; all crossover is essentially AU, after all.



I know, though I'm very much clueless about how covert intel ops work, who organises/heads them, etc. And I didn't know that about the Initiative. I stopped watching Angel around S2, good thing you mentioned it. Thanks!


The Initiative show up briefly to send Angel to rescue a downed submarine in WWII. The modern Initiative was very much Maggie's baby though, from the mission to create the hybrid to her physical and psychological conditioning of the 'nancy ninja boys'.



Yes, that's what I was thinking too. Ooh, a harder question: would a duplicate item of clothing also undergo some kind of disintegration/disturbance? Or does TEC only apply to living things?

Define duplicate? It would have to be exactly the same piece of clothing. Presumably it would all break down eventually however.

uknesvuinng
June 19th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Viv
Yes, that's what I was thinking too. Ooh, a harder question: would a duplicate item of clothing also undergo some kind of disintegration/disturbance? Or does TEC only apply to living things?

TEC is mostly a plot device as far as I can tell. Apparently, duplicates are determined by 2 people being the same person, as opposed to being the same matter. If it were the same matter, everyone would fail because your atoms and molecules don't disappear when you die, they're just decomposed. Besides, your not made of the same particles all the time. Your constantly taking in new ones via food and breathing and losing them to shed skin cells and hair and other losses. So the TEC is pretty much at your discretion, but I would suggest not adding to much to it as inconsistencies will probably appear quickly.

Viv
June 19th, 2004, 03:28 PM
I know, BtVS is fuzzy, they avoided using any military ranks at all in the Initiative, except for Colonel MacNamara, and even he doesn't address the "agents" by their rank. They don't address each other by rank either, though it's suggested that Riley is higher in rank than Forrest, for example, and you hear the occasional "sir" and "ma'am" that indicate some form of respect (but then, Daniel gets called "sir" from time to time, too). I suspect the BtVS writers were trying to cover up their lack of research on the subject by remaining very vague. :P

So, let's see if I got this right: if Walsh was on SG-1 as some kind of technical advisor with no combat experience, even if she was the highest ranking officer (say, if O'Neill was taken out in combat), command would go to the highest ranking "field" officer (Carter, for example), even if they are of a lower rank. I'm assuming that the fact that she spent three to four years on the team and acquired combat experience (even Daniel has acquired combat experience after all) doesn't change anything to her type of responsibility in the team. Correct?

At any rate, thanks for sharing your thoughts, I really appreciate the answers, I've worked out something that's more realistic and still works with my intended plot (now I just have to go and revise 70 pages of fic :D)

Mr Prophet
June 20th, 2004, 12:23 AM
I figure that Colonel MacNamara was sent in because the military wanted to establish control of what was seen as a kind of maverick project. Maggie probably hadn't been entirely fulsome with her reports on 314.

Daniel is called Sir because he has one of those notional ranks. I usually assume that he's treated as a lieutenant for prestige and etiquette. But as a civilian consultant, he could never take command of the unit. If all the field officers were incapacitated, the ranking NCO would take charge. Combat is not the same thing as command experience; just ask Major Clanger whether Carter should be a short colonel.

Viv
June 20th, 2004, 05:47 AM
Combat is not the same thing as command experience; just ask Major Clanger whether Carter should be a short colonel.

Oops, I think you just lost me, here - I'm a newbie, I haven't been able to read all debates on the board yet. ^^;

I'd just like to make sure I get this right though: about address. The senior officer, line or non-line, will always be addressed at the very least as ma'am or sir by the junior, right? (I'm trying to get my head around Walsh receiving orders from someone who calls her ma'am, it's rather amusing)

I'm also asking because Janet tends to get called Doctor, which seems to go against the "it is appropriate to address an officer by rank, not salutation" line (if I'm not mistaken, Janet is a Major, she was Sam's senior until S3). Ditto for Dr. MacKenzie, who's apparently a full Colonel. Is there some kind of exception for medical staff?

Mr Prophet
June 20th, 2004, 06:23 AM
Well, there's a big difference between an MD and a PhD. Near as I can make out, a medical doctor serving in a medical capacity is always doctor. For starters, although they do hold an Air Force rank, they would presumably not be field officers. In terms of chain of command - outside of medical matters - a medic wouldn't 'count' as long as there were other officers around.

More importantly though, what a doctor is - first and foremost - is a doctor. Sam's PhD is important, but what she is is an officer with a doctorate; Janet is a doctor who works for the Air Force.

Major Clanger is my own beta reader. She's ex-Army and basically feels that Carter has in no way shown the qualities needed to become a Lt. Colonel.

And yes, senior officers should be addressed by rank and surname or just as 'Sir' or 'Ma'am' (I believe this is Mam, not Marm, but I might be thinking about the Queen there). In some cases, particularly with the USMC, everyone just refers to each other by callsign. I'm pretty sure that a civilian with an ersatz rank would just be 'sir' or 'ma'am', never 'lieutenant' or what have you.

Maggie Walsh's case was confused by the fact that they basically all refered to her by her academic status as Professor.

Viv
June 20th, 2004, 07:23 AM
Okay, that seems right, thanks!

However... I've still been thinking AU- Walsh's role in AU-SG-1 over. I realised that I'd written her consistenly as the kind of person who takes charge and needs to be in control. If I rewrite her as just acting as a non-combat consultant on the alternate SG-1, I may lose something essential to the character I've been developing, not to mention having to rework the plot and interactions completely.

I came up with a possible resume (this AU Maggie joined the AF about 20 years ago) that would give her some field experience. Would it work if she'd been in the PSYOPs? It would still make sense for her to originally be a psychiatrist/psychologist, who joined the AF at some point in her life. From what I gather, PSYOP officers are pretty much line - certainly no less than Carter used to be, at any rate (Carter must have been in a research/engineering section before CotG, no?).

Ideally, I'd have seen her in PSYOPs during the 80ies, then have her turn back to psychiatry for a while (say since 1990), taking a non-line role as a base psychiatrist, and perhaps be recalled into the PSYOPS around the time of the first Abydos mission. Of course, I really have no idea if it's possible, in a military career, for commissioned officers to change their field like this, and if it is, what the implications would be, such as being retrograded, for example.

I have no idea how nitpicky Stargate fans are when it comes to accuracy in fanfiction, but I don't want the plot to seem too contrived (I'd hate to see "projected Mary Sue" written all over AU-Maggie because her career/experience wouldn't realistically enable her to join a team like SG-1).

Mr Prophet
June 20th, 2004, 07:40 AM
Well, if anyone sees AU Maggie Walsh as your Mary-Sue, I think you'd have to have bigger problems!

It wouldn't be unbelievable for Maggie to have both PsyOps and field experience; certainly no worse than Sam being an astrophysicist with combat flight experience and infantry training.

Viv
June 20th, 2004, 08:18 AM
Well, if anyone sees AU Maggie Walsh as your Mary-Sue, I think you'd have to have bigger problems!

Oh, I haven't told you about the nanites that make her look 20 years younger, her eyes that change colour with her mood and the fact that she's a human/goa'uld hybrid with all the knowledge of the Goa'ulds but the Goodness of humankind. All SGC characters will bow before her genius and magnificence, all males drooling over her, etc etc.
Yeah, right, I'll consider writing that next time I want to do a parody. :D


It wouldn't be unbelievable for Maggie to have both PsyOps and field experience; certainly no worse than Sam being an astrophysicist with combat flight experience and infantry training.

That's what I was thinking, Stargate characters seem to be really polyvalent, and SG-1 has two wizzes (22 languages? pheew!). I think that it also works as long as you're not being unrealistic about the character's age (I boggled when I saw an RPG with several Lieutenant Colonels who were all between 28 and 32 - I think it's just possible, but very rare).

Mr Prophet
June 20th, 2004, 09:14 AM
That's what I was thinking, Stargate characters seem to be really polyvalent, and SG-1 has two wizzes (22 languages? pheew!). I think that it also works as long as you're not being unrealistic about the character's age (I boggled when I saw an RPG with several Lieutenant Colonels who were all between 28 and 32 - I think it's just possible, but very rare).

Yeah; most of my original characters seem to be in their early 30s and junior officers. In part this is because MC would never let me get away with a 30 year old Colonel. To think though; I was a little worried about a character making captain at 28!

Jafana
June 20th, 2004, 07:06 PM
Well, there's a big difference between an MD and a PhD. Near as I can make out, a medical doctor serving in a medical capacity is always doctor. For starters, although they do hold an Air Force rank, they would presumably not be field officers. In terms of chain of command - outside of medical matters - a medic wouldn't 'count' as long as there were other officers around.

More importantly though, what a doctor is - first and foremost - is a doctor. Sam's PhD is important, but what she is is an officer with a doctorate; Janet is a doctor who works for the Air Force.

Major Clanger is my own beta reader. She's ex-Army and basically feels that Carter has in no way shown the qualities needed to become a Lt. Colonel.

And yes, senior officers should be addressed by rank and surname or just as 'Sir' or 'Ma'am' (I believe this is Mam, not Marm, but I might be thinking about the Queen there). In some cases, particularly with the USMC, everyone just refers to each other by callsign. I'm pretty sure that a civilian with an ersatz rank would just be 'sir' or 'ma'am', never 'lieutenant' or what have you.

Maggie Walsh's case was confused by the fact that they basically all refered to her by her academic status as Professor.

Couple of points:

1. I believe you're right about the medical status coming before academic, and always being referred to as such... which is why I'm led to believe that Maggie Walsh was in fact an MD, as opposed to Viv's character being in psych. Perhaps you might want to re-re-consider your char? :)

2. It's quite possibly different in Australian military, but my brother was a medic in the Aust. army and he was CO of his unit (until he got demoted for almost causing an international incident - but thats a whole 'nuther story)
So in covert ops at least, (in aust.) an MD officer can infact command the unit. But then again, it's probably very different in the US military.

3. Again, probably different in the aust. military, but all people - military and civilian alike - are referred to as sir or ma'am, even if they're of a lower 'rank'.
(That is, if their ranking doesn't take precedence - which is most often the case - "Don't call me sir, I work for a living..." etc.)

Like I said, different regs for different countries.. so I'm probably confusing the matter more than anything.

but perhaps consider at least that Walsh was MD. I don't believe she would have been put in the position she was in if she wasn't military, and her experimentation on ADAM would suggest she had some kind of biological/medical background.

Mr Prophet
June 21st, 2004, 06:54 AM
Couple of points:

1. I believe you're right about the medical status coming before academic, and always being referred to as such... which is why I'm led to believe that Maggie Walsh was in fact an MD, as opposed to Viv's character being in psych. Perhaps you might want to re-re-consider your char? :)

But we know that Maggie Walsh was a renowned psychologist; she'd been through the painful nowning process.


2. It's quite possibly different in Australian military, but my brother was a medic in the Aust. army and he was CO of his unit (until he got demoted for almost causing an international incident - but thats a whole 'nuther story)
So in covert ops at least, (in aust.) an MD officer can infact command the unit. But then again, it's probably very different in the US military.

But was he acting first and foremost as CMO or as a command officer with extensive medical knowledge? I mean, I assume he had some pretty major command training if he was CO, whereas Janet is essentially a doctor.


3. Again, probably different in the aust. military, but all people - military and civilian alike - are referred to as sir or ma'am, even if they're of a lower 'rank'.
(That is, if their ranking doesn't take precedence - which is most often the case - "Don't call me sir, I work for a living..." etc.)

I'm pretty certain that isn't the case in the US; lower rank is surname, while equal rank is surname or first names. Except the Marines, where it's all about the callsigns. Apparently Marines are more likely to know their buddies' callsigns than their first names.

Jafana
June 21st, 2004, 10:13 PM
1. ok, i havent seen season 5 buffy since last year when we had our buffy marathon session. you're probably right about that.

2. my brother being CO - in the australian military, if you go past sergent, you have to do specialized training in something, whether that be scientific, medical etc. So while he's a fully qualified doctor, he was also, for the simple reason of being promoted, able to become CO.
Its simply the way the australian military works. Every soldier is steadily given more and more training.. all field units, if they're small, particularly covert ops, are trained in everything that is needed with every member also having more intensive knowledge in one or two areas.
For instance (it may have changed since, as it's been about 30 years) the american forces in Vietnam, if their machine-gunner, or their radio guy was killed or injured, their unit was pretty much screwed because the other soldiers werent trained in the specialised stuff.
whereas in the australian units, all members are given pretty intensive training in stuff like that, for the possibility of death occuring for the guy who's put in charge of it.

so they have rudimentary knowledge of a broad range of stuff, while also having intensive knowlege in a particular area. the idea is to maximise the possibility of all members returning home safely.

this is all on top of the command courses they're given every time they're promoted.
to be promoted in the aust. military you have to pass a number of courses in command and leadership before it's official. if you dont, you dont get promoted.


3. generally speaking, rank (if they have it) is always used. i can see why the american system would be different.

meanwhile, why am i arguing this??? it's not because i disagree with anything you're saying i guess... just thought it was interesting talking about the differences

Viv
June 22nd, 2004, 04:46 PM
Thanks for the input Jafana!

Oh, I wish Maggie could have been an MD in the Australian army, it would have my plot inifinitely simpler. :P The organisation does seem different from the US regs I got the opportunity to read online. From what I understood in the US Air Force regs, medical officers are non-line and that's pretty much final (at best, you can be re-trained if you want to be in a different sector). Maybe that's just a simplified version, perhaps if they get a complementary training if they get into special ops that allows them to be field officers. But if they can, I never found that kind of info. It's also true that the BtVS Maggie is a bit of a wuss. She pretty much runs screaming when demons/werewolves come after her, that does point to possible inexperience on the field (*tries to imagine what Teal'c would do in the same situation* *imagines werewolves/demons fleeing, terrified by Teal'c's scowl*).

And I agree, Maggie has got to be an MD: she may be renowned for her books on behavioural psychology, but she knows far too much about medicine and surgery in the series to only be a psychologist. She would never have been allowed to conduct experiments on soldiers if she hadn't been an MD - especially as in S5 it's hinted that something was done to Riley's brain, and they needed a neurologist to put it right. I'd say she's an MD in Psychiatry and/or Neurology and has a PhD in Psycholgy (I checked out a few university websites and there are Professors with similar credentials). That's always been a given for my character, she studied Medicine first, and then comes the famous fork in the road, and the careers of BtVS-Maggie and AU-Maggie vary.

Mr Prophet
June 23rd, 2004, 10:30 AM
I don't know if I'd call Adam (Season 4, exercising my inner pedant) 'surgery'; more like basic needlepoint and possibly some experience of growing up in a slaughterhouse!

Jafana
June 24th, 2004, 07:41 AM
I think that she would have to have pretty extensive knowledge of anatomy and biology to undertake such a project. All of which she would get as a matter of course in medical training, but not necessarily to the extent needed in a psychology degree.

Viv
June 24th, 2004, 08:13 PM
I think that she would have to have pretty extensive knowledge of anatomy and biology to undertake such a project. All of which she would get as a matter of course in medical training, but not necessarily to the extent needed in a psychology degree.

Er... a psychology degree (or PhD, actually, you can't become a Professor if you only have a degree, I think) is very different from a medical doctorate in Psychiatry or Neurology. Psychologists do learn quite a lot about how the brain works, but they cannot give medical treatments, let alone perform surgery or prescribe medications.

Hm... I have more nitpicky questions, while I'm at it. Anyone want to have a go?

1) the SGC was willing to integrate AU-Samantha and AU-Kawalsky to their program in Point of View. What would have happened to Kawalsky, rank-wise? He was a Major in the AU-verse as well - would he be reinstated as Major or would he have to re-join the Army and start from scratch?

2) do you think that there's a chance for AU-Maggie to receive the personal belongings/fortune/whatever of the other Maggie? Say, if Maggie didn't leave a will before she died, doesn't have any family, and her belongings haven't yet been distributed (she's only been dead for a few months, in my fic, and I know that there are rather tedious procedures when there isn't a will or close relatives).

Mr Prophet
June 24th, 2004, 11:35 PM
1) the SGC was willing to integrate AU-Samantha and AU-Kawalsky to their program in Point of View. What would have happened to Kawalsky, rank-wise? He was a Major in the AU-verse as well - would he be reinstated as Major or would he have to re-join the Army and start from scratch?


Air Force, and I don't think so. He'd probably have to pass the OTC and a bunch of tests to prove his chops, but having held a significant command rank they'd probably let him keep that (or equivalent) unless there was a reason not to.



2) do you think that there's a chance for AU-Maggie to receive the personal belongings/fortune/whatever of the other Maggie? Say, if Maggie didn't leave a will before she died, doesn't have any family, and her belongings haven't yet been distributed (she's only been dead for a few months, in my fic, and I know that there are rather tedious procedures when there isn't a will or close relatives).

The chance would - legally - be zero; they aren't related, so she has no claim. On the other hand, Maggie was brutally skewered by her Frankenstein-like creation in the subterranean laboratory of a secret and frankly rather illegal government programme experimenting on monsters underneath a university frat house; details on public record are probably sparse. It's perfectly possible that the Air Force could swing it so her declaration of death could be revolked (paperwork error; ticked the wrong box) and all the stuff would be hers because she would legally become her AU self.