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April 27th, 2004, 09:21 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 306</FONT>
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SG-1 must free an alternate reality Earth from a Goa'uld invasion after duplicates of Samantha Carter and Charles Kawalsky come through the quantum mirror.

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jenniferhailey
May 3rd, 2004, 10:25 AM
Point of View is probably my favourite episode ever.

Sam with long hair is so cool.

The scene with Jack in the VIP Quarters is so emotional, she was incredible in that. It was just such a great S/J episode. Or S/S/J if you think about it lol.

And the return of

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Kawalsky! :D

FixxxeR
May 17th, 2004, 04:29 PM
This episode, window of opportunity, and there but by the grace of god are some of my favorites. And sam with long hair is hot.

Jane
May 22nd, 2004, 10:46 AM
I liked Sams hair better in "There But For The Grace Of God" my self. But it's a good episode in the sense that it shows The characters and us how our Decisions can effect the rest of our lives. Like Sam becoming a Doctor instead of a Major, etc.

KorbenDirewolf
May 23rd, 2004, 12:35 PM
Ah.. but in the main reality she is a Major AND a Doctor.

Boomer359
May 24th, 2004, 11:46 AM
I love this episode, but everytime I watch I have to laugh at the whole quantum epilepsy effect.

I wish they had used some other way to show that she couldn't stay in our reality.

I also dig Teal'C's line right after he kills the alternate him; "Like I said O'Neill: Our reality is the only one of consequence."

Manic
May 27th, 2004, 04:06 AM
Well, you know if Teal'c didn't kill his alternate, he'd suffer the same "theoretical" hoo-haw Dr. Sam was suffering from when she was in Major Sam's world. And imagine him taking the time to convince his alternate to switch sides... oy!

I really liked the differences in the Sams. Dr. Sam was a lot more open with her emotions, which is something unbecoming with Major Sam. I just don't see the Major as a crier, but crying fits the doctor. They also spoke differently, what with Dr. Sam speaking a lot more like Col. O'Neill. The writers really did a good job in making sure we could tell the difference by dialogue as well as visual.

And Sam joining the military had everything to do with her finding the solution. A doctor of physics is hardly qualified to plan against an alien attack, but an airforce officer/doctor would think somewhat differently. Although Doc Sam gets kudos for "McGyvering" the stargate without Dr. Jackson's help in her world.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:02 PM
I like the alternate universe episodes like this.

(2nd post)Kawalsky returns... kinda


(3rd post)The episode must have been hard to shoot with 2 carters.

SeaBee
July 20th, 2004, 02:57 PM
Liked the ep, but wish Kawalski could have stayed.

Genty
July 23rd, 2004, 10:04 AM
"That was quick Sir?"
"Too Quick, It just doesnt sit right, there are some lines that just shouldnt be crossed"

Go Hammond!

Anubis
July 23rd, 2004, 10:06 AM
Great lines from Hammond once again

Tracy Jane
September 9th, 2004, 03:42 AM
This is quite specific, actually, though I'll make some other observations while I'm at it.

Right, where can I get hold of the music for point of view? Cd, download, anything. It's driving me up the wall.

Now, to the more general observations... I never noticed until last night (and that was about the millionth time that I've watched that episode) that Major Carter doesn't speak to Colonel O'Neill after she discovers about the marriage. Her face is priceless when she sees him with her, and when she shifts her eyes back to him as he comes back through the mirror (Which I never saw before because I was too busy watching Dr Carter, bless her little heart). Do you think that was the moment she admitted her feelings to herself? Or discovered them?

And was Daniel alived in their reality or not? We never found out. Interesting.

Tj x

lordvader
September 28th, 2004, 06:56 AM
Here's something that troubles me. In "The Fifth Race", O'Neil built a power source to gate to the Asgards galaxy. In this episode, Carter and Carter were able to get it working again. Now that inter-galactic gate travel is going to be occuring more and more, why hasn't this tech been considered?

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 12:11 PM
Uhhhh, becuase the writers haven't thought of it?(shrugs sheepishly)

Anyway, I did like this episode. However, I did not like this style of long hair for Carter. It just didn't look right. She needs some kind of bangs! :cool:

Major Fischer
September 28th, 2004, 04:46 PM
Anyway, I did like this episode. However, I did not like this style of long hair for Carter. It just didn't look right. She needs some kind of bangs! :cool:

She needs a better wig. The one from New Order was pretty bad too. Only one i"ve liked was the one in There But for the Grace of God....

:cool: That or she needs a left leaning 19th century British politician.

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 05:12 PM
Lol. That's good. Very accurate.

PS, I like that picture you've got. "Wait till January for new episodes? Insolence!" Very good. :cool:

Major Fischer
September 28th, 2004, 05:17 PM
PS, I like that picture you've got. "Wait till January for new episodes? Insolence!" Very good. :cool:

;) Thanks. You know that's what she's thinking there. :cool:

jckfan55
September 28th, 2004, 06:10 PM
She needs a better wig. The one from New Order was pretty bad too. [/I].



Though I thought the New Order one was infinitely better than the one in this ep.

Major Fischer
September 28th, 2004, 06:14 PM
Though I thought the New Order one was infinitely better than the one in this ep.

Better, but still not very good. This one rates as the worst one she's had though.

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 06:18 PM
Agreed. :cool:

benny_boy54
October 17th, 2004, 05:33 PM
In the Unanswered questions section of the analysis for this episode, it asks: "Why did the SGC never attempt to use quantum mirror after Daniel returned from the alternate reality? " Listen my subjects for I hold the answer.

In the episode which the quantum mirror was discovered ("There But For The Grace Of God"), Danial found the controlling device next to the mirror. When he took it with him, he left it in the SGC in his rush to get to the gate because of the Goa'uld attack. He was able to return beause, as Kawolski explains in "Point of View", the mirror will keep two alternate realities connected until the device severs the connection, which Danial never did on his first trip.

Obviously, we can't even begin to try to make our own controlling device for the quantum mirror, so that may be why it was kept in Area 51.

Also in the Unanswered Questions section, it asks about the device Jack made. He made it using parts he found around the base and it was declared dead after O'Neill used it to go to the Asgard's homeworld. With two Carters open to build a copy of it, they could easily figure it out.

Dead Jawa
January 7th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Here's something that troubles me. In "The Fifth Race", O'Neil built a power source to gate to the Asgards galaxy. In this episode, Carter and Carter were able to get it working again. Now that inter-galactic gate travel is going to be occuring more and more, why hasn't this tech been considered?

Yeah I was wondering that too. Spoilers for later seasons: After all this thing is basicly a homemade Z.P.M. right? So why couldn't they build more so they could gate back and forth from Atlantis or make the weapons in the Ancient outpost in Anactica active again? Or make the shields and weapons on Atlantis active again. Although granted if they did they would miss out on several cool stories.

Gillian
January 7th, 2005, 08:34 PM
Wow, this is cool :) ! I chose this ep as my first FULL episode to analyse from my "Directing Notes for the Insane". I actually started the thread on other web sites summer '04 and just now on Gate World and then I saw YOUR post!
VERY Interesting!

Gillian

Sarig
January 25th, 2005, 05:30 AM
Yeah I was wondering that too. Spoilers for later seasons: After all this thing is basicly a homemade Z.P.M. right? So why couldn't they build more so they could gate back and forth from Atlantis or make the weapons in the Ancient outpost in Anactica active again? Or make the shields and weapons on Atlantis active again. Although granted if they did they would miss out on several cool stories.

I'm pretty sure it's not a homemade ZPM, it rather just uses all the energy from a staff-weapon in a flash, rather than a shot at the time.

What energy was used in seconds to open the stargate to Ida, might have been enough to power the staff-weapon for eons...

Crazedwraith
January 25th, 2005, 08:42 AM
Look I;ve said in muerouis threads: I've said in the 5th race thread:

THAT DEVICE IS NOT A ZPM

Clear? It a naquadah generator supped up to use all it's energy in to short powerful bursts.

Daniel's_twin
January 25th, 2005, 08:49 AM
Eeeeasy there, Mr. Wraith. Calm down big fella. :cool:

Crazedwraith
January 25th, 2005, 08:51 AM
Eeeeasy there, Mr. Wraith. Calm down big fella. :cool:
:P I'm calm. I just get a little annoyed when people make silly assumptions that BLATANTLY CONTRADICT what we see on screen.

Seriously folks do you think STAFF WEAPONS are powered by ZERO POINT MODULES?!?!?!? :eek:

Chaka's_Mum
February 28th, 2005, 04:31 AM
This ranks as one of my favourite episodes. The sheer poignancy of AlternateSam's relationship with AlternateJack - and how it affects her when she finds herself in a world where RealJack is both alive and well, the Goa'uld aren't taking over, but he's not her Jack. (*sniffles*)

Agree about the syrup, though. It's not as good as the one in 'There but for the Grace of God'!

SmartFox
March 11th, 2005, 06:33 PM
:P I'm calm. I just get a little annoyed when people make silly assumptions that BLATANTLY CONTRADICT what we see on screen.

Seriously folks do you think STAFF WEAPONS are powered by ZERO POINT MODULES?!?!?!? :eek:


I think they do. :p Just kidding, trying to see if i can't get you to type a post in frustration again. :p

Anyways loved this ep. Got to see Kwalsky again and i love every ep with him. Also loved Teal'c killing him self and SG-1 gets to bring about the defeat of Apophis again. Do you think though that the Asgard just killed him? Doesn't seem like their style.

Chaka's_Mum
March 22nd, 2005, 10:42 PM
Also loved Teal'c killing him self and SG-1 gets to bring about the defeat of Apophis again. Do you think though that the Asgard just killed him? Doesn't seem like their style.

Nah. They probably bunged him back onto the Mothership while it was retreating ('Run away! Run away!'). That seems a bit more Asgard-ish. Particularly as they were nice enough to resurrect AlternateHammond like that.

As Jack said 'You gotta love those guys!'

IMForeman
March 28th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Hey, i watching PoV on Sci-Fi monday, and they Quantum mirror makes a very simlar sound to the Atlantis gate's dialing sound in one of the scenes. More evidance that the mirror was a product of Ancient tech?

-IMF

RubyRed
March 29th, 2005, 07:29 PM
This episode gave me the willis. it actually kind of scare me. oh my god. it's a great episode but to see how General Hammond was being torture and seen the sgc so destroy and know that all the humans are being enslave by the ghoa'uld it just i can't even imagine what that must feel like. it makes me think of this reallity and i would never want something like this to happend to us. i'm probably going crazy since i'm talking like this realities are real.

Erik Bloodaxe
March 29th, 2005, 08:30 PM
:P I'm calm. I just get a little annoyed when people make silly assumptions that BLATANTLY CONTRADICT what we see on screen.

Seriously folks do you think STAFF WEAPONS are powered by ZERO POINT MODULES?!?!?!? :eek:

Yeah, and besides, those things were just as one-time-use as the "homemade gate" from Ascension, so trying to build 'em again just wouldn't be at all helpful for the Atlantis crew. ;)

"Alright, we got power to the shield! Now... [email protected]#, the thing just lost power!" :D Also, since it's not a ZPM, there's no way it'd plug into any of the slots that real ZPMs go in. :cool:

-Bloodaxe

line17
April 17th, 2005, 09:16 AM
("There But For The Grace Of God"), and ("Point of View"),

Who opened the stargate in these two universes. Jackson is not known to SCG, in either is universes.

It seems in the "Point of View reality," SCG is more reliant of the quantum mirror than the stargate. The Hammond in THIS universe seemed to think the quantum mirror is a good thing. The quantum mirror saved their world.

In a reality without Neill and Teal'c, I wonder what happens now?
Who will be THEIR SG-1?

Chaka's_Mum
April 19th, 2005, 11:08 PM
Who will be THEIR SG-1?

Kawalsky gets my vote. He deserves the opportunity to serve his country properly and not get a junior symbiote through the ear.

thorshammer
May 12th, 2005, 02:16 PM
What Sam was hotter? ;)
Did the alt. Sam call the SGC, SGA (Stargate Atlantis) :p

Matt G
May 12th, 2005, 02:43 PM
I think SGA in her reality would have been 'Stargate Area'(or something. I'm not sure how well developed Atlantis was in the writers minds circa S3.

AncientKnowledge
May 27th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Better, but still not very good. This one rates as the worst one she's had though.

Really not that good....lol the one in New Order made me laugh!!! :)

AncientKnowledge
May 27th, 2005, 02:44 PM
What Sam was hotter? ;)
Did the alt. Sam call the SGC, SGA (Stargate Atlantis) :p

Yeah,I thought that too?Were the hinting to Atlantis

QuiGonJohn
May 27th, 2005, 05:07 PM
No, they just had a slightly different name, instead of StarGate Command, it was probably like StarGate Administration.

I really liked this episode. I usually always enjoy alternate reality stories.

AncientKnowledge
May 28th, 2005, 11:20 AM
No, they just had a slightly different name, instead of StarGate Command, it was probably like StarGate Administration.

I really liked this episode. I usually always enjoy alternate reality stories.

Yes,I have to say I have always liked the alternate SG realitys.

twiggy
May 28th, 2005, 02:18 PM
i loved all the AU eps. this one in particular, only because it sort of showed us that there was hope for Sam and Jack. but then it took them waaaaaaaaaaay to long in our universe.

SmartEagle
May 28th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Really not that good....lol the one in New Order made me laugh!!! :)

Yeah, in "New Order" her short hair is sticking through the long wig!

It's always so entertaining when characters are having a conversation with another form of themselves. There was an episode of The Next Generation like that, where the found that Will Riker had somehow been duplicated.

I'm always speculative... perhaps Jack didn't go back to the right world afterall... maybe he switched worlds with another Jack from a reality where the only difference was he had decided to have decaf coffee instead of regular for breakfast?? In one reality, "Captain" Carter was waiting for him, so there was at least one other Jack using the quantum mirror at the time.

Perriman33
August 7th, 2005, 11:00 PM
This was a seriously cool episode,the idea of sending people to an alternate reality is well thought out. Even at the end I was wondering have they gone back to the right one?
The bit where daniel see's sam on the other side of the mirror and notices she's only a captain in that reality makes me laugh every time.
I think the best bit is that the whole thing is a team effort, all the characters get a piece of the action,that always makes a good episode in my eyes.
It was good to see kowalski back in the thick of it again! :D
I wish jack could have seen thor in this alternate reality and made a joke about it....ah well! :D

Chaka's_Mum
August 10th, 2005, 03:30 AM
It's always so entertaining when characters are having a conversation with another form of themselves. There was an episode of The Next Generation like that, where the found that Will Riker had somehow been duplicated.


I know what you mean - it must have been fun for both AT and the episode editor to get the words 'Blow up' out of both Sams at exactly the same moment, though.

I also liked the way that they had one Sam holding the newly re-built power boosting doohickey and the other one switched it on. It was beautifully done and looked beyond convincing. At least it did to me - I certainly couldn't see any joins/superimposition or whatnot. :cool:

Daniel's_twin
August 10th, 2005, 03:44 PM
Man, I never even thought about those little details until today, it was so seamless! :cool:

zats
August 11th, 2005, 07:00 PM
That's the curse of the beauty of great FX: you don't even know they're there.

Ascendant
September 1st, 2005, 03:56 PM
I'm always speculative... perhaps Jack didn't go back to the right world afterall... maybe he switched worlds with another Jack from a reality where the only difference was he had decided to have decaf coffee instead of regular for breakfast??.
Heh! I hadn't thought of that. Maybe his coffee selection somehow changed the fate of the universe a la chaos theory. You know, "if a butterfly flaps his wings in Japan, it rains in Conneticut" sort of thing. Or however that goes.


It's always so entertaining when characters are having a conversation with another form of themselves.
I love the part where the dual Sams are geeking out about the power generator, feeding off each other in a mutual brainstorm...and Jack's just standing there looking aghast.

It was particularly clever when they had that shot with Major Carter holding Doctor Carter's hand in the infirmary. I had to pause it for a second and stare at it. I think they had someone sticking their hand up through the bed for Major Carter to hold...then when they filmed Doctor Carter they hid her arm under the blanket so it looks like they're holding hands. Pretty freakin' cool.

The best part of the episode was when they go to the alternate reality. They did such an awesome job making it look atmospheric. They kind of did the Aliens thing, with lots of dim, misty blue lights and sparking electronics and stuff. It all looked incredible.

I noticed, too, that Jack and Teal'c seemed small-minded..."Our reality is the only one of consequence", "So which reality is real?" and all that. But that's really how someone would react if they'd never heard of alternate dimensions, I would guess. It would be difficult for them to accept that the alternate dimension is just as real, so they'd push it back to secondary importance. It was very clever characterization on the part of the writers.

Really great Sam/Jack stuff too. AT is incredibly emotive when she gets the chance to show it - she can really break your heart. The contrast between Doc Sam and Major Sam was fantastic, especially after the big scene in Doc Sam's quarters. And it was fantastic seeing the supressed emotion on Major Sam's face when she saw them kissing through the mirror. There's SO much you can read into it.

Jangly
September 7th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Interesting episode. I wish they had pondered about how saving the "bad" reality would just split off infinite other realities in which they couldn't save it. Would have been interesting to see them think about the obligations they might have to those realities, and the fact that some Earth out there must lose. Or speculated that two realities causally linked by the mirror can actually avert the possibility branching. I still liked the episode, though.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 03:08 AM
I like this epside the, the character that should have done a cameo of them selves should have been Jack and Daniel, the rest all did one

Tezzador
September 8th, 2005, 04:31 AM
I just love the parts where Teal'c and his alternate self meet.

Ascendant
September 8th, 2005, 12:45 PM
I like this epside the, the character that should have done a cameo of them selves should have been Jack and Daniel, the rest all did one

They couldn't afford to pay RDA twice.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 07:36 PM
I always love AU episodes!!!!!............wait exlude "Moebius"...........move that down to "like"

deathbed1983
September 28th, 2005, 02:52 PM
i really like this episode it was a pleasure to watch it again today

jyh
September 28th, 2005, 02:58 PM
I always liked this episode, even though I'm not a fan of 'alternate reality' plots. (Don't get me started.....) :p But I do like it regardless. Doesn't necessarily 'further the plot' of the Goa'uld storyline, but it's interesting nonetheless. And about as well-done as an AU episode can be.

TheObiJuan
September 28th, 2005, 03:05 PM
The kiss at the end was hot.

timdalton007
September 29th, 2005, 04:57 AM
Saw this on Sci-Fi yesterday. Definitly one of my favorties. Love the idea of the alternate-reality characters popping up in the show's timeline. The acting was good, especially by Amanda tapping as he alternate Samantha Carter. Her wig was kinda of obnviuos but that didn't take away too much. Love the ending with that kiss and Sam crying after the mirror was turned off.

timdalton007

Chaka's_Mum
November 29th, 2005, 10:59 PM
Same here. Sky repeated this ep last weekend; I came across it just as it was starting (just having turned the TV on and not having seen the ep guide). The moment I saw AU Sam and Kawalsky on the other side of the Quantum Mirror, the first thought was 'Yay! Point of View!'

Have to admit that I always fill up a bit when AU Sam gets the photo out of her pocket in her room and sets it up under the lamp...*sniff*

rac76
January 13th, 2006, 07:27 AM
I watched this last night on dvd. I have to agree with everyone that this is a really good episode, I personally love alternative realties and time travel episodes.

I really like Dr. Carter and Jack interaction with each other. I felt sad that she had lost her Jack, and then come to find in another reality that's he's alive. I don't know how I would react if that ever happen to me.

I was curious about the where abouts of the alternative Dr.Jackson. I guess he never showed any interest in the program and that's why he wasn't apart of the team. It didn't mention that they had a SG1 type of team, did it?

I give it 4 out of 5 stars. A good episode! :hammond:

Commander Ivanova
January 13th, 2006, 07:30 AM
I was curious about the where abouts of the alternative Dr.Jackson. I guess he never showed any interest in the program and that's why he wasn't apart of the team.

Didn't it mention somewhere that Daniel was dead in that reality? Haven't seen the ep for a while so I'm not sure, but sure someone else will clarify.

timdalton007
January 13th, 2006, 07:43 AM
Didn't it mention somewhere that Daniel was dead in that reality? Haven't seen the ep for a while so I'm not sure, but sure someone else will clarify.

I think you're thinking of There But For The Grace Of God. This episode makes no mention of what happened to the alternate Daniel other then he didn't work on the Stargate Program.

timdalton007

Commander Ivanova
January 13th, 2006, 08:25 AM
I think you're thinking of There But For The Grace Of God. This episode makes no mention of what happened to the alternate Daniel other then he didn't work on the Stargate Program.

timdalton007

You could be right, thanks :)

rac76
January 16th, 2006, 09:15 AM
I think you're thinking of There But For The Grace Of God. This episode makes no mention of what happened to the alternate Daniel other then he didn't work on the Stargate Program.

timdalton007


I think that's right, they didn't mention him. Now I'm just curious on why he didn't join the team in that reality.

Thanks for the info! :daniel:

cafine_us
January 16th, 2006, 03:01 PM
Daniel probably didn't join the team in the POV reality for the same reason as in TBFTGOG. I don't know why exactly, but in the movie Stargate Daniel seems reluctant to take the job at first.

cpgfilth
February 24th, 2006, 01:46 AM
And why did they call it the asgard generator?

Chaka's_Mum
February 27th, 2006, 03:17 AM
My guess is that it was called that because it was a copy of the generator Jack built (while under the influence of the Ancient information in his brain in 'The Fifth Race') to bump up the gate's power enough to dial the extra chevron and send him to the Asgard galaxy.

It's certainly shorter than 'The Generator Jack Built Which Got Him To The Asgard Galaxy', though it does give the impression that we got it from the Asgard - which we didn't...

naseuy
February 27th, 2006, 07:22 PM
It seems that the AU without the involvement of Daniel are all attacked by the goa'uld....:daniel:

Chaka's_Mum
March 5th, 2006, 10:30 PM
I go with that to a point - but I think Daniel's presence tends to affect the outcome rather than the event itself. From what we see in the Quantum Mirror while Danny's trying to learn to use it, there are worlds where there are no Goa'uld, where the Mirror clearly hasn't been found by earthfolk -which indicates perhaps that there are some alternate universes where Doctor Langford didn't find the gate, or it wasn't there to be found, or someone else found it and simply stuffed it into a museum untouched. More often than not, there are Jaffa on the loose in corridors, wrecked corridors and who-knows-what-else.

From that, it's fairly reasonable to assume that those versions of Earth where there is an SGC/SGA/SGU (whatever they choose to call it wherever there are), that particular version of SG1 has clearly got up their Apophis's nose enough to warrant a visit with big ships. It would seem likely that playing around with the gate is enough to make Apophis take notice of Earth and come along to squish this impertinent little planet back into submission again.

The difference here is, of course, that Danny has done the equivalent of Alice through the Looking Glass. This means that we (unlike other universes where Daniel is not part of SG1) have the information necessary to get aboard the mothership before it arrives. It would seem that, in those universes where the mirror was found, it was simply brought back for study - leaving those teams short where vital foreknowledge of an appropriate gate address was key to saving their world from invasion.

So, well done :daniel: - we couldn't have managed it without you!:D

captain jake
May 11th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Great mission it was interesting to see teal'c with a brade thing.

Daniel's_twin
May 12th, 2006, 08:47 AM
Teal'c had the braid in There But For the Grace of God. This one he got that small hairy thing on his chin. :cool:

captain jake
May 12th, 2006, 05:22 PM
o sorry my mistake.

desert fox
June 13th, 2006, 03:44 AM
My favorite S3 episode. Not that I am a J/S shippy. But I love parallel/alternate universes concept. When I saw Quantum mirror again I was all eyes and ears. And yay !! Kawalsky ( one of my favorite characters ) is back. Why don't they use him anymore ? Gou'old occupied SGC and Teal'c killing his evil counterpart in there were also interesting.

Daniel's_twin
June 13th, 2006, 08:35 AM
They don't use Kowalski much anymore because if they kept on using him and using him, the impact that his death had would be nill. In fact people might actually start asking "I thought that guy was dead. How come he keeps on popping up?" :cool:

ReganX
June 13th, 2006, 07:38 PM
Daniel probably didn't join the team in the POV reality for the same reason as in TBFTGOG. I don't know why exactly, but in the movie Stargate Daniel seems reluctant to take the job at first.

Dr Carter in "Point Of View" figured out how to open the stargate. It's possible that she managed it a few weeks before our Daniel did, or that they gave her more time than our Sam had to work with. In that case, the Daniel in the "Point Of View" alternate universe might never have been invited to join the stargate program in the first place.

Chaka's_Mum
June 14th, 2006, 10:35 PM
That's true. Alternatively, of course, the POV scenario might have been Daniel being invited on board but, being used to people taking the mickey out of him - and perhaps being more bitter about it than our Danny, could have assumed that they were just yanking his chain and told 'em where to stick their invitation.

Or perhaps he could have been mown down by a car in Cairo (perfectly plausible given that road-crossing here is a skill unique to Cairo citizens - who appear to have no fear whatsoever. I never got the hang of it!) and was therefore not around to be asked.

Now that would be scary - the end of the world as we know it brought about by a car in Cairo...:eek:

Wow. The possibilities are endless here!

ReganX
June 15th, 2006, 12:15 AM
That's true. Alternatively, of course, the POV scenario might have been Daniel being invited on board but, being used to people taking the mickey out of him - and perhaps being more bitter about it than our Danny, could have assumed that they were just yanking his chain and told 'em where to stick their invitation.

Or perhaps he could have been mown down by a car in Cairo (perfectly plausible given that road-crossing here is a skill unique to Cairo citizens - who appear to have no fear whatsoever. I never got the hang of it!) and was therefore not around to be asked.

Now that would be scary - the end of the world as we know it brought about by a car in Cairo...:eek:

Wow. The possibilities are endless here!

It's also possible that no Daniel Jackson was ever born in that reality - maybe his parents never met - or that he decided against sharing his theories about the pyramids being landing pads for space ships and that, while he went on to have an illustrious academic career, his work never attracted Catherine's attention, assuming that she stayed a part of the program.

Since the Daniel of the "Point Of View" alternate reality was never mentioned, anything could have happened.

cafine_us
June 18th, 2006, 11:07 AM
I doubt Daniel was invited into the program at all. Kawalsky and Dr. Carter would have at least heard of Daniel, perhaps even recognized his face, if he had been considered helpful in the early years of the program.

ReganX
June 19th, 2006, 06:33 AM
I doubt Daniel was invited into the program at all. Kawalsky and Dr. Carter would have at least heard of Daniel, perhaps even recognized his face, if he had been considered helpful in the early years of the program.

That's a good point. Dr Carter must have either figured it out before Catherine sought out Daniel in the regular universe or else she was given more time to work on it.

McClance
July 10th, 2006, 10:44 PM
I really love alternate reality episodes. It's fun noting differences between the one we're familiar with and which ever others there are. And I love the Asgard in action--whatever the reality.

Also, both Teal'c's little sliver of a goatee and Apophis' goatee sort of puts me in the mind of Spock in Star Trek's "Mirror, Mirror". I wonder if the makers borrowed a few ideas from there...

scifi_girl
July 11th, 2006, 11:52 AM
yeah it is nice to see the differences between realities. i liked this episode. it was pretty cool

captain jake
July 11th, 2006, 07:54 PM
I really love alternate reality episodes. It's fun noting differences between the one we're familiar with and which ever others there are. And I love the Asgard in action--whatever the reality.

Also, both Teal'c's little sliver of a goatee and Apophis' goatee sort of puts me in the mind of Spock in Star Trek's "Mirror, Mirror". I wonder if the makers borrowed a few ideas from there...

Yes I have seen allot of things throughout Stargate that have been montages of star trek among other sci-fi shows/movies.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 09:16 PM
yeah why cant they make up their own ideas i suppose they do but they could think of ones its better then copying other shows ideas

tommiekins
August 8th, 2006, 05:38 PM
I love this episode, its among my favourites. Even though its not our Sam, I love the whole Sam/Jack dynamic that runs through the episode, even though I haven't decided if I approve of the Jack/Sam ship. Just another fantastic season 3 episode.

Chaka's_Mum
August 8th, 2006, 10:57 PM
Me too. I enjoy AU eps, because they give us the opportunity to explore what happens when SG-1 aren't around to save our butts - again.

Of course, it also allows the exploration of Sam/Jack 'ship without building it into the OU team dynamic, which suits me fine. I don't disapprove of 'ship (I think that would be too strong a word), it simply doesn't interest me, so I prefer to keep it either AU or hinted at in OU subtly enough for me to just ignore it.

Apart from anything else, it's a lot of fun to see the subtle differences in appearance of the characters in the AU. Maybe there's one out there where General Hammond still has hair! :eek:

SamO'Neill
August 12th, 2006, 02:30 PM
Me too. I enjoy AU eps, because they give us the opportunity to explore what happens when SG-1 aren't around to save our butts - again.

Of course, it also allows the exploration of Sam/Jack 'ship without building it into the OU team dynamic, which suits me fine. I don't disapprove of 'ship (I think that would be too strong a word), it simply doesn't interest me, so I prefer to keep it either AU or hinted at in OU subtly enough for me to just ignore it.

Apart from anything else, it's a lot of fun to see the subtle differences in appearance of the characters in the AU. Maybe there's one out there where General Hammond still has hair! :eek:

This was good in the early years. It helped introduce the idea of Sam and Jack to those who hadn't thought about. As opposed to those who obsessed about it ever since CotG and Broca Divide.

Jedi_Master_Bra'tac
August 14th, 2006, 12:08 PM
:tealc:"Ours is the only reality of consequence".........huh?, I tried to make sense of this quote but I can't, can someone please enlighten me?

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 14th, 2006, 04:17 PM
:tealc:"Ours is the only reality of consequence".........huh?, I tried to make sense of this quote but I can't, can someone please enlighten me?

No.

Anyway, This episode was a brilliant sequel to 'There But For The Grace Of God' and I loved it.

Daniel's_twin
August 14th, 2006, 06:11 PM
:tealc:"Ours is the only reality of consequence".........huh?, I tried to make sense of this quote but I can't, can someone please enlighten me?

Teal'c just felt that their reality wasn't that important as it was already a goner, I guess. I dunno. I think it was just one of those lines that didn't really belong. :cool:

Chaka's_Mum
August 14th, 2006, 11:10 PM
:tealc:"Ours is the only reality of consequence".........huh?, I tried to make sense of this quote but I can't, can someone please enlighten me?

I think I get what Teal'c's driving at - but it's not an easy thing to put into words. I've tried about five times now and deleted every paragraph, one by one. I think it's just a matter of perception - after all, we view this universe as the 'real' one because we live in it. But that doesn't necessarily actually factually make it so - it is so because we believe it to be. To OUTeal'c, he's not an inhabitant of the alternate universe. What he does there will not impact on his own reality, so his behaviour (and, to a degree, the reality itself) is of no consequence. Or something like that. I'll stop waffling before my brain really starts to hurt...

:indeed:

Okohme
August 30th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Was anyone else deeply disturbed by the scene where Hammond is being tortured?

Anjirika
August 30th, 2006, 08:31 PM
I think I get what Teal'c's driving at - but it's not an easy thing to put into words. I've tried about five times now and deleted every paragraph, one by one. I think it's just a matter of perception - after all, we view this universe as the 'real' one because we live in it. But that doesn't necessarily actually factually make it so - it is so because we believe it to be. To OUTeal'c, he's not an inhabitant of the alternate universe. What he does there will not impact on his own reality, so his behaviour (and, to a degree, the reality itself) is of no consequence. Or something like that. I'll stop waffling before my brain really starts to hurt...

:indeed:

I actually think what he meant was that their reality was the only one of concequence because it is in our reality (at least at that time) he was the only version of himself strong enough to defect from the Goaulds, and by the other versions of him not defecting, he felt (IMHO) that they were not worthy of living- hence why he shot himself- the Teal'c who was still loyal to Apophis...the false god- dead false god...^_^

Chaka's_Mum
September 5th, 2006, 11:04 PM
I think Teal'c is just being practical. To his mind, the alternate version of himself can either reject Apophis and help them, or reject them and help Apophis. While Jack expects the alternate to be simply zatted, that's not exactly the best solution because he can regain consciousness and raise the alarm - and they don't know how long he's going to stay knocked out. This is not a problem with a dead AUTeal'c. All Teal'c was doing was ensuring that, either way, his alternate wasn't going to betray them. He offered his AU version a chance to assist them, and then took the necessary steps to eliminate AUTeal'c as a threat when it turned out that he wouldn't.

Being a fellow of few words, he doesn't spend his time blabbering pointless justifications of what he does; particularly when he can explain himself later on for the Mission Report when things are a bit less fraught. He shot AUTeal'c dead rather than zatting him - the safest option under the circumstances. As he views 'his' reality to be the only one of consequence (as we all would, I suspect), he's not particularly concerned about how his actions will affect this one.

SamO'Neill
September 10th, 2006, 01:34 PM
Was anyone else deeply disturbed by the scene where Hammond is being tortured?

That scene was a bit off. I think we're all used to just seeing him in his office and the briefing room...

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 28th, 2007, 12:58 PM
I usually get a bit confused by alternate reality-type things (it doesn't take much to confuse me!), but I enjoyed this one.

'Alternate' Sams character was so different to the 'Sam' we know; not less competent, but less confident. I'm not usually a fan of 'ship (I'm not against it, it's just not my thing), but even I was moved by 'alternate' Sam as she mourned the loss of her Jack.

I found Jack's reactions when he had both Sam's talking in techno-babble to him very funny. I'm glad Jack doesn't understand that type of thing - when they explain it to him, they explain it to me too!

Chaka's_Mum
April 29th, 2007, 10:45 PM
The irony is that RDA deliberately chose to play Jack like this - a bit...well...dumb (his words, not mine!) because he thought it would be quite fun to watch a highly decorated, senior Air Force officer who didn't 'get' that sort of thing.

Personally, I think he's doing us a big favour because I don't 'get' that sort of thing either.

The best bits are still the ones where the two Sams are interacting with each other. The sequence where one is holding the generator and the other switches it on is brilliantly done. I also like the way they manage to have our Sam holding AUSam's hand in the infirmary - that looks bang on, too.

Not to mention the 'We'll figure it out' not only spoken in perfect time, but also at almost identical pitch!

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 30th, 2007, 08:55 AM
Yes, it is all smoothly, maybe even flawlessly, done and looks so natural. It came over so well that it was only after it had finished that I realised just how clever it was, it was that convincing.

I think that Jack's character works very well like this, and I suspect there are a lot of people out there like him, both in the military and civilian life. Jack's 'intelligence' are his instincts and understanding of people, even if he can e judgemental at times (who isn't?) and, in these respects, he is brilliant.

meredithchandler73
April 30th, 2007, 01:01 PM
The best bits are still the ones where the two Sams are interacting with each other. The sequence where one is holding the generator and the other switches it on is brilliantly done. I also like the way they manage to have our Sam holding AUSam's hand in the infirmary - that looks bang on, too.

Not to mention the 'We'll figure it out' not only spoken in perfect time, but also at almost identical pitch!


Yes, it is all smoothly, maybe even flawlessly, done and looks so natural. It came over so well that it was only after it had finished that I realised just how clever it was, it was that convincing.

I really enjoyed this ep, especially Amanda's acting. I would imagine that almost every scifi/fantasy show has at least one episode where an actor has to play opposite him- or herself. Amanda is one of the best at it. :)

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 30th, 2007, 11:46 PM
I really enjoyed this ep, especially Amanda's acting. I would imagine that almost every scifi/fantasy show has at least one episode where an actor has to play opposite him- or herself. Amanda is one of the best at it. :)

Yes, and she was very well supported by the other actors and their reactions to both her Sams.

Beckett2001
May 28th, 2007, 07:10 AM
I love this episode but I always found it a little convenient that they managed to get back to exactly the right reality. I would have really liked the ending to have had Jack walk in after our Jack goes back through the mirror to the normal reality...and ask Dr Carter what she thought she was doing kissing another him...so that they'd managed to get back to anotehr reality where somehow Jack hadn't died or something...
But then, I'm a soppy fool...I don't like sad endings!!
And Dr Carter's long haired wig is so bad. Why did they use such an awful wig? I found it sooo distracting!
I love the responses of the characters when they find out that Jack and Sam are married in another reality...and I love Jack saying 'you just agreed with yourself'. Heheee!
Clare

angelfire east
May 28th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Teal'c killed AU!Teal'c to prevent him from hurting others thus making up for the evil deeds he did before joining SG1 in some small way. As much as he said that "Ours is the only reality of consequence" I think he feels someone respousble for the what the other Teal'c do if he could stop it. I'm not explaining this right but what I'm saying is I think Teal'c slept easr that night knowing AU!Teal'c couldn't hurt anyone again and that by stopping him he did a good thing. I think in Teal'c mind when it comes to AU Teal'c it's pretty cut & dry, either you 'be good' or you be not at all.

That was a horrible wig they put on AT. Man oh man it was the start of stargate's really bad wigs. I don't know who they had make it but they should have used the one from BUt for teh Grace of God that was good wig

AT was amazing in this episode as both Sams, she hit all the right marks wiht Sam's emotions on both Carters. Jack was also very goof being so uncomfurble but trying so hard to be there for AU Sam. Daneil was almost very funny walking around teh background wiht a confused look on his face with some funny links. Jack was funny dealign with two Carters , I wonder what he would have done with 18 Carters from Ripple Effact lol


yeah why cant they make up their own ideas i suppose they do but they could think of ones its better then copying other shows ideas

I always thought of it as Stargate ripping Star Terk, you know a in joke, a gag at the evil guys have goatee, speacilly the "evil twins". It was a sent up, tptb did it on purouse(sp). I remember hearing that someone wehre, it took the idea from ST and put it in as a joke.

algat
May 30th, 2007, 09:56 PM
And why did they call it the asgard generator?

And even if we were to assume that it's not the same generator O’Neil made in the fifth race (which it is), what are the chances the Asgard would use part of a Goa'uld staff weapon in their technology.

cavalierlwt
August 11th, 2007, 09:51 PM
It seemed like they hamfistedly closed up a storyline by having Hammond say they should destroy the quantum mirror as soon as the mission was over. I was thinking it would be better to secure it somehow, perhaps in a small reinforced closet sized room in the SGC. Assuming it has similar rules to the stargate, it probably won't allow someone to materialize in the middle of a stone wall.
Just watching the episode on DVD, and can't help but think the Alternate Reality (AU) people would want to maintain regular contact with out reality, and any other where SG-1 has held their own vs the Goa'uld. Just one a month or whatever pop over to our reality and exhange all info and technology gained over the last month.
You can't beat having other similar world working toward the same thing but in different ways. Each would probably make unique discoveries, and if all these were exchanged regularly, each would probably kick the crap out of the Goa'uld.
I assumed it's one the reasons TPTB had Gen.Hammond advocating the mirrors destruction.

garhkal
August 12th, 2007, 02:31 PM
hen again it could have been used to seriously smjack them upside the head if one of the AU's where the Gou'ald won on earth came through..

cavalierlwt
August 12th, 2007, 04:40 PM
Yeah that was my first thought. The question is 'what are the rules of the quantum mirror?' If it won't transport a person into solid metal or rock, then you can put a large block in front of it (like the iris on the stargate), use an ID transmitter similar to the SG teams use to ID friends.
On the other hand, if it transports a being regardless of whether there's a block in front, then it's a real danger--a goa'uld could just send through people carrying nukes.
It would have been worth exploring though, it had a big upside in my opinion.

Crichiel
January 22nd, 2008, 09:13 AM
Plowing through my S3 thoughts. (I have a week with unlimited computer access and a LOT of free time, so I am doing as many as I can now!:))

So, POV. Liked it, didn't love it. I am not a shipper (or anti-shipper, just don't care either way) so that whole aspect bored me. Loved the re-use of the Quantum Mirror. I know they can't go back each week to address past episodes, but it is like a little present for me when they CAN within the context of another good story!

Bits of humour well done by all the cast. Some impressive twinning shots, too considering where SFX and (SG-1's experience and budget) were at the time this was made. Solid 7.5/10, lowered because of the focus on Sam. And simply because, by the nature of it being made first, TBFTGOG gets an edge in the AU storyline. (It had more impact the first time)

Teddybrown
March 27th, 2008, 11:32 AM
I thought this episode was well thought out
Shows how many different realities there could be and so many possibilities
It was very funny with Jack and the two Carters
I think it was interesting to see a reality where the Goauld actually invaded Earth
Overall good episode

RobertF
June 1st, 2008, 07:34 PM
Interesting how the alternate universe Samantha Carter mentioned that there are only a handful of AUs where Earth has survived Apophis's assault. So in one sense it' s not surprising SG1 always manages to survive one bad scrape after another - the series is following the one SG1 team among a million alternate SG1's that always wins against all odds. :)

HelloVelo
June 24th, 2008, 12:12 AM
This is probably my favorite alternate reality episode.

Rating: 9/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/point-of-view.html

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 12:27 AM
I'm not a big fan of alternate universe episodes and I don't know what I will do if they make SGU, but I did like this episode. I wonder what it is about alternate Teal'c's that makes them have different forms of hair. In "There for the Grace of God" he had a huge ponytail and in "Point of View" he has a sole patch thing. I wonder why they didn't keep the quantum mirror in a separate room so as to monitor for people coming through it. You would think a portal to alternate realities would warrant it's own room with it's own guards who understand it's capabilities.

Ulkesh47
July 1st, 2008, 07:09 PM
I have been under the spell of "Jaffa, kree!" ever since Apophis first said it in the beginning of "Children of the Gods". And here, finally, Jack sums it up...

"Daniel, what does kree mean?"

captain jake
July 2nd, 2008, 12:14 AM
I have been under the spell of "Jaffa, kree!" ever since Apophis first said it in the beginning of "Children of the Gods". And here, finally, Jack sums it up...

"Daniel, what does kree mean?"

We still don't get a good explanation...

McClance
July 5th, 2008, 03:39 PM
Daniel gave a list of meanings for "kree", which Jack summed up by saying, "So, like 'aloha'?"

captain jake
July 6th, 2008, 03:45 AM
Daniel gave a list of meanings for "kree", which Jack summed up by saying, "So, like 'aloha'?"

That is incorrect the word he used was yohoo and I am still not sure about individual sentence meaning.

L E E
July 13th, 2008, 07:29 PM
I love it when AU episodes. Nice to see that kawalsky is alive in another reality. Jack's reaction to alternate Sam is amusing to watch.

pritnep
August 16th, 2008, 07:51 PM
I'm a big fan of alternate universe/reality episodes so of course this had to be one of my favourites.

I agree with what others have said. Sure there are dangers with the iris technology but maybe Area 51 could of worked on an iris style device to be fitted to the mirror because I'm sure there are occasions where getting help/info/technology from another reality would of been very helpful.

I wonder what rank Hammond was in this reality.

Still trying to work out what SGA stands for. Stargate Gate Alliance? maybe.

I wonder how they are going to contact the beta site people.

I think the special effects and production/props/set department did a great job in this episode making the SGC (well SGA) look destroyed/damaged.

Teal'c's uniform I thought looked better in that reality, woot for black ops uniforms they look so cool.

Jack_Bauer
August 19th, 2008, 02:15 AM
I got to say: I love Kawalsky.

I wish he had stayed....:(

s72450
August 23rd, 2008, 03:10 AM
I just saw this episode and while I honestly hadn't seen it too much before, hot damn, this one made me a Jack/Sam shipper.

gateship15
August 25th, 2008, 12:00 AM
this is an ok episode its kind of a what if. jack and sam married i like that. but i think the fact kawalsky was back would have been hard for jack. and i liked the fact that sam the original was jealous of the sam who was married to jack

Black_Sheep
September 2nd, 2008, 05:40 PM
At first i thought "not that mirror again" ..but this turned out to be a good episode. It was nice to see Kawalsky again.

gateship15
September 6th, 2008, 11:24 PM
i think two sams are better then one

ZoSo
September 15th, 2008, 08:19 PM
I'm still kinda bothered by them calling it the Asgard generator. If anything it's an Ancient generator. Well, sort of. It's of Ancient design, but it's a mixture of Goa'uld and Earth technology.

They were acting like they didn't want to tell Kawalsky and Dr. Carter it's true origin. Did they think they were protecting them? We went to their reality and changed things, it's not like a little information about ours is gonna make the multiverse blow up.

Maybe the writers just didn't want to call it the Ancient generator? Sounds kinda weird. Jack's generator? They probably wouldn't believe it.

I like how Daniel is such an important part of our universe's sg-1. As mentioned before, he's why we had a chance to stop Apophis's attack on Earth. He's also why we found the repository on Earnest's planet. Thus why we went to the planet with the Ancient headsucker. Thus why we met the Asgard (and impressed the crap out of them). I wonder what the Asgards think of Dr. Carter and her method of contacting them. She certainly had some help, but still.

gateship15
September 16th, 2008, 01:22 AM
i never thought of that lol. you are right about jack tho no one would believe jack invented the generator. i don't know what the Asgard would think of Dr carter and i always thought Danial was important

Sp!der
October 5th, 2008, 09:28 AM
i just saw it again...
i really forgot this ep....
i really hoped that kawalsky would have stayed in our reality, i really like, sad that he died in the second episode of the first season.

General Yogi Bear
October 5th, 2008, 11:40 PM
I agree Kawalsky was great. He and O'Neill were great together.

Jack_Bauer
October 6th, 2008, 02:04 AM
I agree Kawalsky was great. He and O'Neill were great together.

Hell Yeah!

gateship15
October 7th, 2008, 01:11 AM
your right it was sad and it is also true that Kawalsky and o Neil are good together. i also wish he could have stayed but i guess that would never happen

Verdande
October 11th, 2008, 05:01 AM
I wonder what rank Hammond was in this reality.
I wondered about that too. And what was that device Apophis used on Hammond while torturing him? It looked really horrible.


Still trying to work out what SGA stands for. Stargate Gate Alliance? maybe.
I was also thinking Agency or Administration...

jelgate
October 11th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Its been awhile but it memory serves its called a ribbon device. Did Apophis wear on his hand? If so it is called a ribbon device. You need naquadah in your blood to operate it

Jack_Bauer
October 11th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Or was it the device that the Ashrak used on Jolinar? If so, I don't think it was ever given a name, it was just one of those Goa'uld torutre devices

Verdande
October 11th, 2008, 11:34 PM
It looked more like a staff weapon of some kind, a staff or device Apophis used on Hammond's back. It inflicted not only pain but some weird energy disturbance coming out of Hammond's eyes and mouth. It reminded a little about the device the Ashrak used on Jolinar, in that it inflicted pain and created some weird energy disturbances, but on Hammond it looked more like flames or something came out of his eyes and mouth.

With Hammond on his knees with his arms tied behind his back and something constricting around his neck, it looked really horrible when they but that thing on him and made him scream! Poor, brave Hammond! :hammond:

Jack_Bauer
October 11th, 2008, 11:36 PM
It looked more like a staff weapon of some kind, a staff or device Apophis used on Hammond's back. It inflicted not only pain but some weird energy disturbance coming out of Hammond's eyes and mouth. It reminded a little about the device the Ashrak used on Jolinar, in that it inflicted pain and created some weird energy disturbances, but on Hammond it looked more like flames or something came out of his eyes and mouth.

With Hammond on his knees with his arms tied behind his back and something constricting around his neck, it looked really horrible when they but that thing on him and made him scream! Poor, brave Hammond! :hammond:

Oh yeah i remember now, they use that a lot throughout the series. In particular in the 'Road Not Taken' of season 10
the secret service use them on protestors

Verdande
October 12th, 2008, 02:22 AM
Oh yeah i remember now, they use that a lot throughout the series.

OK. It certainly looked like an effective torture device.

Since I'm watching the series for the first time, all these weapons and devices are new to me. Great fun tough. And I really liked the episode.

Jack_Bauer
October 12th, 2008, 02:26 AM
OK. It certainly looked like an effective torture device.

Since I'm watching the series for the first time, all these weapons and devices are new to me. Great fun tough. And I really liked the episode.

ah cool cool, always good to chat to a new fan. Thats why i chucked my s10 info in the spolers for you, wasn;t too sure of the rules :D

How u liking the show so far?

Verdande
October 12th, 2008, 02:38 AM
How u liking the show so far?

I actually like the series a lot more than I expected to. There are some episodes where the storytelling gets too black/white and the clichés get too trite, but I mostly enjoy the wonderful characters, the team interaction, the mythology and first and foremost; the humor. It's very funny and it's entertaining. And there are some good stories too.

I'm about halfway into season 3, so I'm looking forward to see how this develops.

Jack_Bauer
October 12th, 2008, 02:50 AM
I actually like the series a lot more than I expected to. There are some episodes where the storytelling gets too black/white and the clichés get too trite, but I mostly enjoy the wonderful characters, the team interaction, the mythology and first and foremost; the humor. It's very funny and it's entertaining. And there are some good stories too.

I'm about halfway into season 3, so I'm looking forward to see how this develops.

Good to hear that your liking it! I do agree that the writing sometimes got a bit tiring but there are moments of brillance here and there. I think the character interactions led by Jack and Daniel really helped the show to exceed. I wonder how much of it was adlib...

Verdande
October 12th, 2008, 03:11 AM
I think the character interactions led by Jack and Daniel really helped the show to exceed. I wonder how much of it was adlib...

I like how the four main characters bring out the best in each other, and how they through the first 2 1/2 seasons have expended and developed from who they were when the series started. So far it's been a lot of emphasis on the relationships between Jack and Daniel, Jack and Teal'c, Sam and Daniel, and a little Sam and Jack. I really hope we get to see much more of the relationships between Teal'c and Daniel, and Teal'c and Sam in the future.

I'm also a big fan of General Hammond and Dr. Fraiser. And the O'Neill humor is completely essential to the tone of the show. As the mythology develops, that part is getting more and more interesting too.

jelgate
October 12th, 2008, 05:41 PM
It looked more like a staff weapon of some kind, a staff or device Apophis used on Hammond's back. It inflicted not only pain but some weird energy disturbance coming out of Hammond's eyes and mouth. It reminded a little about the device the Ashrak used on Jolinar, in that it inflicted pain and created some weird energy disturbances, but on Hammond it looked more like flames or something came out of his eyes and mouth.

With Hammond on his knees with his arms tied behind his back and something constricting around his neck, it looked really horrible when they but that thing on him and made him scream! Poor, brave Hammond! :hammond:

Ah,a Goa'uld pain stick

helenmagnus23
October 29th, 2008, 03:13 AM
It's been a while scince i have watched POINT OF VIEW but re-watching it again it's been so cool i love the alternate realities and time travel this episode is a major favorite of mine i love seeing alternate Sam and when Jack tell's her she can stay in our reality , i love Jack's reaction to finding out in her reality they were married

:sam:: This makes you uncomforatble ?
:jack_new_anime05:: I get confused

And my favorite scene is when they kiss and our Sam is watching through the mirror and it's so sad when Jack leaves and she's alone :sam:

:love:

gateship15
October 30th, 2008, 12:42 AM
It's been a while scince i have watched POINT OF VIEW but re-watching it again it's been so cool i love the alternate realities and time travel this episode is a major favorite of mine i love seeing alternate Sam and when Jack tell's her she can stay in our reality , i love Jack's reaction to finding out in her reality they were married

:sam:: This makes you uncomforatble ?
:jack_new_anime05:: I get confused

And my favorite scene is when they kiss and our Sam is watching through the mirror and it's so sad when Jack leaves and she's alone :sam:

:love:

yea i know after the 6th time watching it i wandered why he didn't stay and kind of wanted him to. but when i think of it its not the other sam he loves its our one so he may not be happy in the other reality and it wouldn't be fair for other sam she just lost her jack and he is not him no matter how much she wishes he was

leiasky
October 30th, 2008, 07:55 AM
I actually really like this episode a lot. I think all of AU Sam's reactions are so well done and I feel so sorry for her. It's like watching 'There but for the Grace of God' all over again. But this time, they all don't die. Only Jack died in this reality and AU Sam has to go on without him - though, she did get to say goodby to Jack. The reactions on all sides were just so well done.

gateship15
November 7th, 2008, 09:37 PM
i agree. my fave part of this episode was when jack found out he was married to sam in a parallel world.

Jack_Bauer
November 8th, 2008, 07:24 PM
i agree. my fave part of this episode was when jack found out he was married to sam in a parallel world.

His reaction was classic!

gateship15
November 8th, 2008, 07:29 PM
:) true i don't know about u but i saw a hint that he wished it was so in this world as well as being uncomfortable with being near parallel sam and comforting her wile she was upset as well as uncomfortable with talking about the parallel sams marriage with him and his parallels death

Jack_Bauer
November 8th, 2008, 07:31 PM
:) true i don't know about u but i saw a hint that he wished it was so in this world as well as being uncomfortable with being near parallel sam and comforting her wile she was upset as well as uncomfortable with talking about the parallel sams marriage with him and his parallels death

There was a bit of 'want-what-you-can't-have' involved i think. He just didnt know how to react lol

gateship15
November 8th, 2008, 07:33 PM
lol but thats just jack he never shows how he feels i guess in a way if he could have her it wouldn't be any fun

Jack_Bauer
November 8th, 2008, 07:37 PM
lol but thats just jack he never shows how he feels i guess in a way if he could have her it wouldn't be any fun

ah the old 'thrill of the case' wins out u reckon? I would have to agree, the whole will they, won't they? generated by the show (and fans) is far more interesting IMO than them geting together for real. Episodes like this however, give us a glimpse as to what it would be like if they did get together...

gateship15
November 8th, 2008, 07:44 PM
i agree altho when he did leave and they didn't even try it was a bit sad because it has been will they won't they for so long now they haven't it just doesn't seem right do u agree

leiasky
November 8th, 2008, 08:31 PM
I liked this episode because it did give us a glimpse into what it could have been like for them if circumstances were different. They writers probably also did it to appease fans who wanted to see the two get together but couldn't in the normal show's reality. It worked. It's definitely one of my favorite episodes.

gateship15
November 8th, 2008, 08:34 PM
i agree

Jack_Bauer
November 8th, 2008, 09:44 PM
i agree altho when he did leave and they didn't even try it was a bit sad because it has been will they won't they for so long now they haven't it just doesn't seem right do u agree

I think they addressed the problem over this in that episode with the Zatarc detector. IIRC on the Season 3 bonous features part of the DVD Amanda Tapping talks about how the two characters have to admit that they have deep feelings for one another, however, once showing this, they have to let it go because of their respective positions in the SGC and the Military.

While I agree there is something between them, I wouldn't want to see it on screen, I'm a little undecided over whether or not i like ships in stargate...

BTW gateship15, thanks for the friend request :D

gateship15
November 8th, 2008, 11:22 PM
i agree that deciding not to be together may have been the best thing. because putting there job at risk would have been stupid. by the way your welcome

RononXSpecialist
November 11th, 2008, 09:23 AM
Good Ep.
It was nice to see Kwalskie again (I have no idea how to spell his name)
And to see Sam with long hair, She looks waay better with long hair than short hair :D.
Werid to see Apohpis with Facial hair lol, Good to see Asgard beam Apohpis out of there xD

gateship15
November 11th, 2008, 09:36 PM
lol i agree sam looks better with long hair and don't worry i don't know how to spell his name ether. i just love the fact that everything in the parallel world is different but the same. i guess its one of the choices Apohpis in the parallel world made. but in the end he still gets the same fate

leiasky
November 12th, 2008, 09:10 AM
I can imagine that the writers enjoyed writing episodes where they got to give their characters something different to do. . . things not allowed or even just different than the characters in their normal reality did.

gateship15
November 12th, 2008, 10:19 PM
i don't know about that but it was still a great episode and seeing the characters in a different light

Minnesota Fan
December 27th, 2008, 09:00 PM
That is what is great about Stargate, is that they change things up. Keeps me interested.

gateship15
December 28th, 2008, 11:04 PM
i thought they wanted to turn us into them?

PMN1
January 1st, 2009, 02:58 AM
I also like the way they manage to have our Sam holding AUSam's hand in the infirmary - that looks bang on, too.


They obviously haven't watched Timecop.......

Matt G
January 1st, 2009, 01:38 PM
Who cares? This is Stargate not Timecop, each scifi reality has it's own rules.

gateship15
January 1st, 2009, 02:47 PM
thats right if they were all the same it would be boring.

PMN1
January 2nd, 2009, 09:03 AM
Who cares? This is Stargate not Timecop, each scifi reality has it's own rules.

Ahh yes but some mention of it might have been amusing...

gateship15
January 2nd, 2009, 03:14 PM
what is timecop?

Matt G
January 3rd, 2009, 01:13 PM
A Jean Claude van Damme time travel film(with a Van Dammeless sequel)!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111438/

gateship15
January 3rd, 2009, 05:52 PM
oo ok thank u

PMN1
January 4th, 2009, 05:24 AM
what is timecop?

It is as has been said a film, while different versions of of the same person can be in the same reality, its gets a bit messy if they touch...

Walker grabs the younger McComb and shoves him into the older one. As the movie states: "The same matter cannot occupy the same space", the two McCombs fuse and implode into a pool of disappearing blood.

gateship15
January 4th, 2009, 11:13 PM
is that kind of like when older rose touched baby rose and coursed the monsters to get into the church after she saved her dad kind of thing (thats of doctor who) altho it isn't so extreme

balo
February 9th, 2009, 06:51 AM
Well I liked this episode even if AU episodes are not my favourite .

Great job by the actors playing themselves in the alternate universe.

Watching season 3 for the first time I'm really looking forward for the next episodes.

Rating : 8/10

Malviris
February 9th, 2009, 07:13 AM
It was pretty good but i liked the replicator duplicates ....even though the alternate universe teams (i think 16 sets) was really funny.

Ziel
February 9th, 2009, 08:07 AM
This was one of my favourite AR eps.
The Asgard ridding Earth of the Goa'uld after the Carters had got the ''Energy booster'' working again.

Pic
February 12th, 2009, 12:41 PM
If you don't ship Jack/Sam you probably don't re-watch this episode too much. Personally, this is when I really like Jack/Sam and my fandom-shippy-love for the two of them really starts hitting it's stride.

My favorite line was when they were in the conference room discussing the situation...
CARTER Oh my God. This is too weird.
O'NEILL Yeah. How about that hair?

leiasky
February 12th, 2009, 02:52 PM
I love when their in the briefing room and Jack looks back at Sam when they're watching AU Sam on the monitor and she says 'For Cryin' Out Loud', one of Jack's trademark sayings.

gateship15
February 12th, 2009, 10:04 PM
lol i think this episode was so funny. it is one of my fave and one i will watch many times

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 01:54 PM
watching hammond get tortured was not something i was expecting to see and it was just like, HOW DARE APOPHIS. one of my fav eps of S3

gateship15
February 26th, 2009, 12:06 AM
lol i thought that to but i guess it showed how stubborn hammond is

DSG1
March 9th, 2009, 01:53 PM
Why is it that Daniel is always dead in the alt. realities?

Ulkesh47
March 9th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Why is it that Daniel is always dead in the alt. realities?
Daniel is quite death-prone. He's died for real (arguably more than once); and he's been presumed dead about a hundred times.

It's only natural that the writers would honor this tradition in every possible way, so that means death in alternate realities. ;)

DSG1
March 9th, 2009, 03:02 PM
haha, true. ;)

Just like Sam is always Dr.Cater instead of military Carter.

leiasky
March 9th, 2009, 03:31 PM
Just like Sam is always Dr.Cater instead of military Carter.

And involved with Jack . . . :)

gateship15
March 10th, 2009, 12:09 AM
lol i liked them being married i also agree on the Danial dieing thing

DSG1
March 10th, 2009, 02:29 PM
One of the few ep's we got to see them together. ;)

I thought the end of it tho was a bit of a downer.

leiasky
March 10th, 2009, 02:31 PM
Yeah, it was sad - for all involved, not just Dr. Carter.

DSG1
March 10th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Well, for me, I didnt like how they just left her alone like that. That was the sad part.

gateship15
March 10th, 2009, 11:04 PM
i agree that it was sad for everyone involved

Hornet
April 14th, 2009, 08:00 AM
Well, for me, I didnt like how they just left her alone like that. That was the sad part.

Yep. I thought Sam looked kind of lost and like don't know what to do next after Jack left:(

gateship15
April 19th, 2009, 03:02 AM
i agree she did look lost i guess thats because she married her jack and lost him then found another jack and lost him

The Stig
April 24th, 2009, 02:16 PM
God sam looked extremely hot with the long hair. And we got to see Kawalsky again. Yay.

Ulkesh47
April 24th, 2009, 03:57 PM
God sam looked extremely hot with the long hair. And we got to see Kawalsky again. Yay.
In my opinion, Sam's long hair was much better in "There but for the Grace of God". What did you think of that episode's... hair?

gateship15
May 2nd, 2009, 03:27 AM
in my opinion i like sam with long hair

danny.d
October 9th, 2009, 07:48 AM
am i the only one that likes sam with short hair?

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 08:22 PM
am i the only one that likes sam with short hair?

No, I love Carter with long hair.

i felt so sry for her when she had to watch Dr. Carter kissing her Jack.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 08:30 PM
i agree that would have been horrible

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 08:31 PM
I would have been really really mad... and hurt and then just a little guilty because he was my CO.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 08:40 PM
i would to and jealous because she can

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 08:44 PM
that i would be too.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 09:03 PM
i would hate to be short hair sam

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 09:07 PM
On the other hand short Hair Sam does get to work closely with him. And Dr. Carter lost her husband.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 09:09 PM
true but she at least got jack as a hasband

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 09:12 PM
Yeah, but doc Carter lost hers, and Sam still has her jack.... just not Having him.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 09:14 PM
true i would hate to be both

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 09:27 PM
yeah same here... lol!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 09:32 PM
or a little of one and a little of the other

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 10:46 PM
yeah, Have Doc. Carters husband and keep Maj. Carters hair... lol!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 10:54 PM
lol and her ability to kick butt

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 11:02 PM
True, you can;t ask for smarts... cause both of them are genius's... well you could combine their IC's and be smarter than Rodney McKay, which Sam already is... lol!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 11:04 PM
lol poor rodney has a big brain but is still beaten by sam

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 11:42 PM
Oh yes... she raises the collective IQ of earth by so many points... lol!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 11:43 PM
thats why when so many carters come thro the gate in a later ep i think mc kay would have loved to be there

leiasky
December 3rd, 2009, 08:56 AM
Short hair Carter still has a chance to be with her Jack. . . Long hair Carter may have already had him but he's gone now:( It's all so sad.

AresLover452
December 3rd, 2009, 09:26 AM
Short hair Carter still has a chance to be with her Jack. . . Long hair Carter may have already had him but he's gone now:( It's all so sad.



I think short hair Cart is with her Colonel.... I maintain that train thought... lol!!

leiasky
December 3rd, 2009, 10:43 AM
Of course she's with him NOW:)

Only her hair is long now and he's a General . . . :)

jelgate
December 3rd, 2009, 10:44 AM
Of course she's with him NOW:)

Only her hair is long now and he's a General . . . :)

Canon proof?

leiasky
December 3rd, 2009, 10:56 AM
Not going to argue with you about it.

AresLover452
December 3rd, 2009, 11:23 AM
Of course she's with him NOW:)

Only her hair is long now and he's a General . . . :)


I'm keeping those happy thoughts.

It was funny seeing the two carters work together... lol!!

gateship15
December 3rd, 2009, 01:26 PM
it is funny and i am also keeping happy thoughts

AresLover452
December 3rd, 2009, 05:42 PM
And Jack was getting confused having two of them there.. lol!!

gateship15
December 3rd, 2009, 05:57 PM
it would have been hard for him knowing other him got to marry sam

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 03:36 PM
Yeah, so sad that both Sam and Jack suffered in different ways... :(

gateship15
December 4th, 2009, 05:10 PM
yep it is sad

AresLover452
December 4th, 2009, 10:12 PM
But they had so much time together... lol!!

gateship15
December 4th, 2009, 10:51 PM
i agree they did but still sad

Tachyon
December 7th, 2009, 02:58 AM
Me likey. As a S/J shipper I was more or less gasping during the entire episode when watching the first time. ;)

gateship15
December 7th, 2009, 08:24 AM
it is a great episode i very much enjoyed it the first time and i have enjoyed it every other time i have watched it

Tachyon
December 9th, 2009, 10:54 AM
^So it is definetely re-watchable episode for you as well. For me - one of the better ones from season four, if not one of the better ones in all SG1 episodes. :)

gateship15
December 9th, 2009, 11:03 AM
i agree. i think this is one of the better episodes of this season and of sg1. i know its one of the ones i have never forgotten

Tachyon
December 9th, 2009, 11:11 AM
Definitely unforgettable. The flashback scenes alone are "legendary". :cool:

es!
December 9th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Me likey. As a S/J shipper I was more or less gasping during the entire episode when watching the first time. ;)

Same reaction here... and it did almost hurt to see our Sam looking away during the kiss.

gateship15
December 9th, 2009, 02:21 PM
i agree i so felt sorry for her at that moment even if u didn't watch any other episode u knew exactly how she felt for him

Tachyon
December 10th, 2009, 12:57 PM
I felt sorry for her too... her facial expression pretty much said: "...that can never be me". Poor Sam. Oh well. She got the man in the end of the episode Threads. I am sticking with that theory. ;)

gateship15
December 10th, 2009, 01:50 PM
me to. i want her to :) so i'll believe it. i know what u mean her facial expression did say that

leiasky
December 10th, 2009, 01:51 PM
I felt sorry for her too... her facial expression pretty much said: "...that can never be me". Poor Sam. Oh well. She got the man in the end of the episode Threads. I am sticking with that theory. ;)


It's not a theory. It's fact! :)

The writers and Amanda say they're together. :)

SHort-hair Sam's face while long-hair Sam is kissing Jack is very uncomfortable and I think it brings home that long-hair had something that she'd never thought about before now and because of their respective positions, can't ever have. Ve

Until Threads! :)

jelgate
December 10th, 2009, 01:57 PM
It's not a theory. It's fact! :)

The writers and Amanda say they're together. :)

SHort-hair Sam's face while long-hair Sam is kissing Jack is very uncomfortable and I think it brings home that long-hair had something that she'd never thought about before now and because of their respective positions, can't ever have. Ve

Until Threads! :)

Cannon or its not true;)

leiasky
December 10th, 2009, 01:59 PM
You just love stalking me through threads, don't you? :)


Cannon or its not true;)

You're welcome to that opinion. I don't share it.

jelgate
December 10th, 2009, 02:01 PM
You just love stalking me through threads, don't you? :)
No

*follows leiasky to S10 Critque thread*



You're welcome to that opinion. I don't share it.
desperate shipper:P

VSS
December 10th, 2009, 02:18 PM
Cannon or its not true;)
What little evidence there is points to them being together. There isn't anything to suggest they aren't. That makes it canon- however weak it seems.

jelgate
December 10th, 2009, 02:22 PM
What little evidence there is points to them being together. There isn't anything to suggest they aren't. That makes it canon- however weak it seems.

Status quo before Threads had them not together. Nothing in Threads showed a change so Jack and Sam are still separated.

VSS
December 10th, 2009, 02:23 PM
Status quo before Threads had them not together. Nothing in Threads showed a change so Jack and Sam are still separated.

Whatever. I'm not going to write up a list for you.
Although there is one around here somewhere, JenniferJF wrote one. But it's stuff that can easily be ignored, which you've already decided to do. :)

gateship15
December 10th, 2009, 04:38 PM
this is an episode i could watch many times and have watched many times

Tanie
December 10th, 2009, 07:40 PM
I simply loved this ep! It was one of the best in the first years *sigh*

gateship15
December 10th, 2009, 08:21 PM
lol the first seasons are the best and this episode just shows that

helenmagnus23
December 11th, 2009, 03:55 AM
I love thie eps so much :D i love Alternate realities they are so cool this eps is my favorite for so many reason's

I love the kiss that alternate Sam and our Jack share it's so nice and so sad at the sametime

And seeing the alternaite Teal'c and Apophis i realy like this eps becase this was the very first eps i got on dvd for my birthday and i'm shipper so this was a major eps for me :) i love all the Sam and Jack moment's :D

gateship15
December 11th, 2009, 11:14 AM
i just watched this again yesterday best ep ever will always be my fave ep

Cold Fuzz
December 12th, 2009, 04:54 AM
The Asgard coming to the rescue (and the music that played in the background while this happened) was a great moment imo.

gateship15
December 12th, 2009, 01:45 PM
:) lol like short hair carter talking about them and jack is like i know i have met them before lol. the asgard coming and saving them was very very cool

AresLover452
December 15th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Same reaction here... and it did almost hurt to see our Sam looking away during the kiss.

that was the saddest moment of the episode.

gateship15
December 15th, 2009, 04:39 PM
i agree. poor poor sam

AresLover452
December 15th, 2009, 08:14 PM
i agree. poor poor sam


They had so many things between them... grr

gateship15
December 15th, 2009, 08:16 PM
i agree

AresLover452
December 15th, 2009, 08:19 PM
the writers were such teases with the alternate realities. sam and Jack being together there. It was such a tease, but gave me hope for shippiness.

gateship15
December 15th, 2009, 08:25 PM
i agree. but it was a fantastic episode

Xeven
February 21st, 2010, 07:48 PM
Hi. I'm new to the Stargate series and to this forum. I just saw "Point of View" in its entirety for the first time and I'm finding the alternate reality concept presented in the episode fascinating.

Was there ever a follow-up episode made concerning the fates of Dr. Carter and Kowalsky after they returned to their reality? It would have been cool to find out how these characters and everyone on Earth recovered after an invasion that apparently devastated most of the planet.