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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 303</FONT>
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The Asgard aid Earth in negotiating a nonagression treaty with the Goa'uld System Lords.

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SeaBee
June 8th, 2004, 09:36 AM
I liked the "who dunnit" aspect. Also nice aggro between T'ealc and Chronus.
Good to see Sam use the Goa'uld healing device as well. Not enough seen of this, IMO.

Anubis
June 8th, 2004, 09:37 AM
I was reading your post and I though that we don't really see Sam use her knowledge of the Gou'ald very much. She's used it about two or three times which is hardly anything

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 01:59 AM
I was reading your post and I though that we don't really see Sam use her knowledge of the Gou'ald very much. She's used it about two or three times which is hardly anything
Yah, it looked really promising when Sam showed she could use the Goa'uld tech., but I suppose if she had been written as "Super Sam" it would have made the rest of the team kind of redundant, i.e.

A large group of Jaffa appear over the hill, SC blasts them with her ribbon device, or Daniel/Jack/T'ealc gets injured, SC heals them with her glowing jam tart, or SC interrogates a prisoner by inflicting pain with her ribbon device.

Then the show becomes SG Carter, not SG-1. :)

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:54 PM
And we never see Tok'ra use Goa'uld devices like the ribbon and healing device.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 07:07 PM
Thor was less then helpful in this episode.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 07:21 PM
was that a nod... up/down... lol

Dragonlor
August 17th, 2004, 03:58 AM
Thor was less then helpful in this episode.
I don't know. I thought arranging the meeting in the first place so that Earth would not be destroyed was a little helpful.

KorbenDirewolf
August 17th, 2004, 12:31 PM
But thats not helpful... ;) He should have just wiped out the Goa'uld or given the Tauri some nice weapons so that the series could've ended right then and there. :(

Major Fischer
August 17th, 2004, 02:02 PM
I'm with Dragonlor on this one. ;) Besides, he saved everyone from listening to Jack's speech.

Crazedwraith
August 28th, 2004, 04:16 AM
Loved this episode. The bit with Yu.

Yu: We demand the immetiate and unconitional surrneder of the Tau'ri Stargate!

And you can just see Thor and Jack looking at each other thinking and then...

Yu: Both of them.

And Jacks just oh f**k theres goes that plan.

Mio
August 28th, 2004, 07:52 AM
Loved this episode. The bit with Yu.

Yu: We demand the immetiate and unconitional surrneder of the Tau'ri Stargate!

And you can just see Thor and Jack looking at each other thinking and then...

Yu: Both of them.

And Jacks just oh f**k theres goes that plan. I actually was a bit shocked that they knew about the second one.


But couldn't the asgard give them a third gate before they finalized the treaty? <g>

Baal_Lord
August 28th, 2004, 11:56 AM
The only thing is, teh asgard ere bluffing, so if they gave a third stargate. THe goa'ould woudl ahve coem and blown up the earth if thor wasnt busy in his home galaxy with the replicators

KorbenDirewolf
August 28th, 2004, 01:06 PM
Yep.. The Asgard aren't as powerful as the Goa'uld. Especially when its a group or the united force of System Lords being dealt with.

Crazedwraith
August 28th, 2004, 02:13 PM
Yep.. The Asgard aren't as powerful as the Goa'uld. Especially when its a group or the united force of System Lords being dealt with.


They are as powerful it's just they couldn't bring that power to bear on the Goa'uld with out letting the homes and civillian population being slaughter by the replicaters.

Starlilica
August 28th, 2004, 08:10 PM
I liked this one a bunch. Don't know why. Niirti got "arrested" by Cronus/Kronos. (I wonder what he did with her between her capture and her escape. Oh, wait, never mind, I don't really wanna know.) I liked the whole he-killed-my-father-now-I-want-to-kill-him thing; Teal'c pulls it off well. I wonder what Teal'c says to him in Goa'uld? Probably not something PG. I liked Cater doin' the Hand-device thingy. Anyways, I can't really say why, but I do like this one.

Sicarius
August 29th, 2004, 01:38 AM
I need to go re watch this episode. I like all the episodes where Jack gets to be clever. All five of them;)

Major Clanger
August 29th, 2004, 03:49 AM
I need to go re watch this episode. I like all the episodes where Jack gets to be clever. All five of them;)
Is it as many as that? ;)
Actually, i think Jack is clever in a lot of eps, in a quiet unnoticeable way.

But I forgot how much I liked this ep, I think I'll watch it this afternoon.

LMichelle
October 22nd, 2004, 04:28 PM
Jack said that Daniel typed up an apology letter in Goa'uld for him. So Daniel has a Goa'uld keyboard? How'd he manage to snag one of them? :p

Lisa Michelle

greytop
October 22nd, 2004, 10:42 PM
Jack said that Daniel typed up an apology letter in Goa'uld for him. So Daniel has a Goa'uld keyboard? How'd he manage to snag one of them? :p

Lisa Michelle
More likely it was a Goa'uld font.

kelmah
February 17th, 2005, 01:04 PM
lol

where can I get one of those online?

kelmah
February 17th, 2005, 01:05 PM
but seriously, he probably created it by scanning pics of the symbols, just for occasions like this

Giantevilhead
February 25th, 2005, 07:29 PM
About how the Goa'uld knew about the second gate, maybe Yu wasn't talking about the Antarctic gate, maybe he was talking about the gate Apophis took to earth. Gates can withstand quite a bit of damage and the system lords must have assumed that earth recovered Apophis's gate after his ship was destroyed.

I really don't see how the Asgard couldn't just destroy the Goa'uld since their technology is so much superior. Even the Tollan have weapons that can blow up Ha'taks in one hit and the Asgard are way more advanced than the Tollan, plus they have super fast ships, so they could just send 5 or 6 ships, fly around the galaxy blowing away Goa'uld ships and settlements and the Goa'uld will be blasted back to the stoneage in a month.

SilverRider
February 25th, 2005, 08:22 PM
About how the Goa'uld knew about the second gate, maybe Yu wasn't talking about the Antarctic gate, maybe he was talking about the gate Apophis took to earth. Gates can withstand quite a bit of damage and the system lords must have assumed that earth recovered Apophis's gate after his ship was destroyed.

I really don't see how the Asgard couldn't just destroy the Goa'uld since their technology is so much superior. Even the Tollan have weapons that can blow up Ha'taks in one hit and the Asgard are way more advanced than the Tollan, plus they have super fast ships, so they could just send 5 or 6 ships, fly around the galaxy blowing away Goa'uld ships and settlements and the Goa'uld will be blasted back to the stoneage in a month.

They would have to get past the shields first and as well as the Death Gliders.

Giantevilhead
February 26th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Gliders aren't even going to scratch Asgard ships and if the Tollans have weapons that can penetrate Ha'tak shields and destroy them in two hits then the Asgard must have them too since they're far more advanced than the Tollan and have fought the Goa'uld before.

Metarock Sam
February 27th, 2005, 09:30 AM
Gliders aren't even going to scratch Asgard ships and if the Tollans have weapons that can penetrate Ha'tak shields and destroy them in two hits then the Asgard must have them too since they're far more advanced than the Tollan and have fought the Goa'uld before.
SpoilerAnubis wipes out most of the tollan in between two fires after they refuse to cooperate with him by sending a phasing bomb through the gate to earth. They are to overcnfidant and destroyed easily by Anubises Tech.
I love this episode and the idea that the Asgard help with the treaty but in the end we don't need too much of their help except maybe jack as hes not the proper diplomat.

Giantevilhead
February 27th, 2005, 06:38 PM
Anubis had ships with shields that can withstand both Tollan and Asgard weapons, but none of the Goa'uld had that technology in season 3, which means that the Asgard can go around blowing up Goa'uld ships with impunity.

If it weren't for the treaty, the system lords would have sent a hundred Ha'taks and burned earth to ashes.

SilverRider
February 27th, 2005, 08:48 PM
Anubis had ships with shields that can withstand both Tollan and Asgard weapons, but none of the Goa'uld had that technology in season 3, which means that the Asgard can go around blowing up Goa'uld ships with impunity.

If it weren't for the treaty, the system lords would have sent a hundred Ha'taks and burned earth to ashes.

Scary though though :p

Im_just_guessing
February 27th, 2005, 09:02 PM
Why is it that in Thor's Hammer, the Asgard present themselves to the Goa'uld as big Norse guys, yet in this episode, they show themselves as little Grey dudes.

Plot hole or inconsistency. :|

.

Giantevilhead
February 27th, 2005, 11:14 PM
The Asgard appear as only as gods to primitive humans that they've liberated from the Goa'uld.

Im_just_guessing
February 28th, 2005, 04:31 PM
In Thor's Hammer, he appears as a big guy to the Goa'ulds he catches.

SmartFox
March 10th, 2005, 09:43 PM
I like this ep because its the first time the Asgard come to help us and the beginning of a long relationship between the Tau'ri and the Asgard. Also we get to see Yu who is my favorite system lords and we get to see the biggest weakness of the Goa'uld; they fight amongst them selves constantly. So this was a good ep to really set some plot lines for future eps.

Evil Emperor Zurg
March 14th, 2005, 11:14 AM
Yeah I thought it was cool how we were introduced to 3 system lords rather than just one. :cool:
The fact that each system lord also actually reappeared in some episodes was good unlike the retou
It was a great episode and it did set up alot for future episodes which is always cool :cool:

RubyRed
March 22nd, 2005, 11:22 PM
You know I think my mom is right I should be a lawyer. Cause I was so mad so mad. I know that the system lords can destroy us but i wanted jack to crush them. I was thinking that it should have been different. Even thought the argards and system lords chose onei'll to represent earth i think he should have requested that since there were going to be three system lords representing the Goa'ulds there should it have been three humans representing mankind. I even made a whole new argument that sam could've said. I think that they should have agree to let earht keep their stargate which they did and let humans keep advancing. Cause it's not fair what they were asking. they got the priviledge to go anywhere they want and they want to take that away from us. they develop new technology to enslave us and they don't want us to develop new technology to save us. they are so wrong. i think that they should've sign a treaty that forbids us from destroying their planets and then from destroying ours. and if we do meet in a planet we could battle it out. cause i bet we want peace but they won't let that happen so we will force to defend ourserves. I only seem them once and i already hate them. god if i were jack i would've let them have it and give them a piece of my mind. anyway i did like that sam is using the Goa'ulds device. at least that's on our side. They are so obnoxious I detest them.

Abydosian
May 31st, 2005, 03:57 PM
I just rewatched this episode again and remembered how much I enjoyed it. Definitely one of my favourites.

It's quite nice to see the different viewpoints, and the way it is carried out is very effective. It's nice to see this kind of intergalatic politics at play, and is almost interesting it is as stable as it is. Foundations built on lies, bluffing, luck, distrust.


In Thor's Hammer, he appears as a big guy to the Goa'ulds he catches.
Good point - I tried to think about this - As the host is there too, and the host could be one of the more primitive humans (not yet reached the asgard level that they deserve to see their true form) that Thor's appearance could be for the hosts benefit?

daveFDIS
June 28th, 2005, 12:56 AM
Hi, new here.




In Thor's Hammer, he appears as a big guy to the Goa'ulds he catches.
Good point - I tried to think about this - As the host is there too, and the host could be one of the more primitive humans (not yet reached the asgard level that they deserve to see their true form) that Thor's appearance could be for the hosts benefit?


You're probably right about the "host benefit" thing because when a degoa'ulded person comes out they probably live their life with the Cimmerians (as shown by Kendra) , so Thor would probably not want the host to be like, "Big scary guy, no, Thor's this little gray dude. Not very scary at all." But also, the host might have seen their Goa'uld talking to an Asguard (or even Thor himself) and figured out that the whole "Thor's a big Norse god" a ruse. Ah, just one of the many contradictions throughout Stargate SG-1, I hope Atlantis fares better.

Something else I noticed is about Nirrti's attempted assassination of Cronus. One would have to guess that she was in his room when she attacked him, if so then wouldn't they have noticed the door opening and closing for no reason before and after the attack? Of course this could be voided by saying that she simply followed right behind him when he entered, and that she was still in the room when they found Teal'c and Cronus on the floor and had moved around (still invisible) so that it appears that she's coming from her room. Still an interesting possible contradiction though.

Perriman33
August 7th, 2005, 12:46 AM
This was a very odd episode, with the goa'uld sitting at a table negotiating a treaty. Not how we normally see them :) I liked how the episode went though with the whodunnit bit and jack and thor starting a loving relationship of nods and sarcasm. And Lord Yu ( who is cool till he goes senile) looks like the only goa'uld we ever see being honourable.(by letting us keep the stargate) :)

Ascendant
August 28th, 2005, 03:26 PM
Although there's not many guns blazing in this episode, the politics are cool because they help us get a better feeling for where we stand in the universe. I thought that it was particularly shocking that the Asgard/Goa'uld treaty states that humans exist just to be hosts, and are to be suppressed technologically.

The cool part of that is that Thor's sneaking around behind their backs, protecting worlds and secretly hoping for the time when they're developed. It was also pretty darned clever the way the writers limited what the Asgard could do to help (because they're fighting the Replicators), but still give us a benevolent higher race to validate our position as "the good guys". Plus, Thor is adorable. If they sold Asgard plushies, they'd make millions.

One question, though. What did Nirrti stand to gain by assaulting Chronos and Teal'c? I mean, sure she could frame Teal'c and maybe even get the system lords to wipe out Earth, but why would she care about either of them? It seems more likely that she'd just set off the Tau'ri and get herself shot.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 03:54 AM
This was a very odd episode, with the goa'uld sitting at a table negotiating a treaty. Not how we normally see them s well as seeing some new ones for a change!! Jack and thor starting a loving relationship of nods and sarcasm was brilliant. And Lord Yu looks like the only goa'uld we ever see being honourable.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 08:26 PM
This was a very odd episode, with the goa'uld sitting at a table negotiating a treaty. Not how we normally see them s well as seeing some new ones for a change!! Jack and thor starting a loving relationship of nods and sarcasm was brilliant. And Lord Yu looks like the only goa'uld we ever see being honourable.

I love that Thor and Jack get along in the episode. It was an interesting episode and concept, but unlikely that nobody ripped another's throats out.

captain jake
June 3rd, 2006, 12:40 AM
They kinda did.

Gater_Gurl
June 4th, 2006, 02:38 PM
One question, though. What did Nirrti stand to gain by assaulting Chronos and Teal'c? I mean, sure she could frame Teal'c and maybe even get the system lords to wipe out Earth, but why would she care about either of them? It seems more likely that she'd just set off the Tau'ri and get herself shot.

Cronus was one of the most powerful System Lords and had one of the largest armies. Nirrti wanted his army and territory to add to her own and she wanted sg-1 out of the way so she could become the most powerful Goa'uld and SG-1 wouldn't be able to stop her. She figured she'd be killing two birds with one stone. Unfortunatly for her, but fortunatly for Earth, she was found out and kicked out of the System Lords losing most of her army and territory.

desert fox
June 13th, 2006, 04:58 AM
At last we met with some other System Lords. It was funny how they found Earth technology primitive ( cameras "crude surveliance devices !" , Cronous' disdain with Sam's traetment ) but at the end it was Nurti who used M-16 ! At last we met with Nurti. I wonder if we shall see her again. She seemed a more like medicine , science minded Gou'old.

cafine_us
June 18th, 2006, 12:09 PM
Have you seen later seasons? Nirrti does reappear in seasons 5 and 6.

captain jake
June 25th, 2006, 05:22 AM
yes you are right she is a gou'ald who loves experimenting with science.

Do you know she is dead now?

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 10:20 PM
yeah i think we all do in Metamorphosis

tommiekins
August 8th, 2006, 07:01 PM
This episode was a really good plot builder and it was a very good episode. It also introduced some very good Goa'uld characters, who provided particularly strong stories throughout the rest of SG1 (up to season 8 of course). Another brilliant season 3 episode.

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 21st, 2007, 07:39 AM
This was an interesting and unusual episode. To see three System Lords and Jack sitting round a negotiating table, rather than going in with all guns blazing gave a deeper insight into their characters and was a good way to introduce the new Goaul'd characters. As always, there was so much humour with Jack, as he tried to be diplomatic.

It was good too to learn more of Tealc's background. He is such a powerful warrior, yet so honourable and restrained; I have to admire the guy.

When they were trying to find who committed the assalt on Cronor and Teal'c, I heard Daniel say that the only Goaul'd/god known to be able to turn themselves invisible was Hathor. This might explain how she was able to get to the SG base in Season 1 without drawing attention to herself en route, but I don't recall her using this power in Into the Fire, which suprises me. Or it could just be that I'm unobservant.

I'm looking forward to seeing (or maybe not seeing ;) ) Nitti again; she seems a very intriguing character.

Chaka's_Mum
April 21st, 2007, 12:00 PM
Oh yes - Nirrti rocks. She's probably one of the nastiest of them all, in a sneaky, "She's behind you!!!" kind of way. After all, using treaty negotiations to knock off a rival System Lord is pretty cheeky; though pretty resourceful at the same time.

Embarrassing, though, for Cronos to have to admit from now on that he was saved by a Tauri female!

Unless Hathor used her pink happy gas as a form of persuasion, I don't recall her ever turning herself invisible. But then I haven't seen a lot of these eps in a while so I can't be absolutely sure.

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 21st, 2007, 12:17 PM
Oh yes - Nirrti rocks. She's probably one of the nastiest of them all, in a sneaky, "She's behind you!!!" kind of way. After all, using treaty negotiations to knock off a rival System Lord is pretty cheeky; though pretty resourceful at the same time.

That's what struck me about her. She makes Hathor look like a pussy cat. I always think that the more intellectual baddies are the scariest. You know where you stand when someone's pointing a gun at you. But making human bombs, using treaty negotiations to get rid of a rival and trying to frame someone else for it and then turning invisible?? That's just cheating!! :sam43:

garhkal
April 22nd, 2007, 10:27 AM
but I don't recall her using this power in Into the Fire, which suprises me. Or it could just be that I'm unobservant.


She did. Remember when sg1 came upto where they thought the stargate was, she 'appeared' walking through the wall. That was her, using her cloak.

It's just a pity nerti escaped...

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 22nd, 2007, 01:05 PM
She did. Remember when sg1 came upto where they thought the stargate was, she 'appeared' walking through the wall. That was her, using her cloak.

It's just a pity nerti escaped...

Oh yes, of course. I'm suprised that she didn't make more use of it, though.

I'm waiting to see whether Nerti will appear again; I expect she'll have a rough time with the other System Lords.

jckfan55
April 22nd, 2007, 01:56 PM
Oh yes, of course. I'm suprised that she didn't make more use of it, though.

I'm waiting to see whether Nerti will appear again; I expect she'll have a rough time with the other System Lords.

I won't tell you when, but she does appear again. She's a pretty ruthless villain isn't she?

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 23rd, 2007, 01:42 PM
I won't tell you when, but she does appear again. She's a pretty ruthless villain isn't she?

Thanks. Yes, I can just imagine Nirrti turning to Hathor and saying "Watch and learn". She's just so darn sneaky. She makes my skin crawl. Yet, she's almost mesmerising...it's hard to describe her well. She's like smoke; black and deadly, and can slip through your fingers so easily.

Chaka's_Mum
April 24th, 2007, 07:57 AM
That's what struck me about her. She makes Hathor look like a pussy cat. I always think that the more intellectual baddies are the scariest. You know where you stand when someone's pointing a gun at you. But making human bombs, using treaty negotiations to get rid of a rival and trying to frame someone else for it and then turning invisible?? That's just cheating!! :sam43:

Oh yes - a baddy that just uses muscle is not much interest because all you need to defeat them is more muscle than them. For someone to use their brains instead - they're so much more intimidating because they're always thinking ahead and seem to have just that one more backup plan than you prepare for!

Ten times more fun.:D

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 24th, 2007, 10:13 AM
Oh yes - a baddy that just uses muscle is not much interest because all you need to defeat them is more muscle than them. For someone to use their brains instead - they're so much more intimidating because they're always thinking ahead and seem to have just that one more backup plan than you prepare for!

Ten times more fun.:D

Yes - and there's not so many clues to pick up on. You can tell by body language, eye contact, etc what someone might be thinking/planning physically, but you can't tell what's going on inside their head.

garhkal
April 24th, 2007, 01:37 PM
yes you can... just remove their skull!!!:D

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 24th, 2007, 02:05 PM
yes you can... just remove their skull!!!:D

Yes, but that would be awfully messy. And they's probably zap you with something before you had a chance. :rolleyes: ;)

Theimmortaljedi
August 30th, 2007, 08:04 AM
Was cool to see the system lords and show a side of the asgard we didnt see before. They may be looking out for others but their home panet comes first. All races seem to have the same instict built in.

Crichiel
January 22nd, 2008, 09:01 AM
Lots of continuing storyline brought together and continued on from here. Nice. Jack as a diplomat. Perfect. And "Daniel's typing up a letter, in Goa'uld..." there's my linguist! "That boy can grovel." My favourite line.

AGateFan
February 1st, 2008, 04:01 PM
Ahhhh, great ep. Still get chills watching eps like this. Thor his buddy Jack...diplomat Daniel.... classic teal'c. Carter promotion, tokra storyline, and anti-invisble tech. Hammond is solid. Yu, Kronos and Nerrti are all classic goa'uld.

One could say I am giddy with joy. I need to get my DVDs out and rewatch these awesome classics.

HelloVelo
June 21st, 2008, 11:30 PM
This is the episode responsible for countless Yu puns.

Rating: 9/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/fair-game.html

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 12:23 AM
So why do the Asgard like Jack so much? In my opinion the Asgard see in Jack what they don't have in themselves. Such as strong military prowess, the ability to make quick and risky decisions, as well as the great sense of humor we all know jack has.

I really don't think the Asgard wanted Earth to sign the treaty and I don't think anyone at the SGC did either. It was their action of saving Cronus that allowed the Goa'uld to do what they intended from the beginning. That being reaching a certain amount of peace; in order to combine their forces and attack earth the Goa'uld would have to reach a level of cooperation that is in my opinion beyond the System Lords.

L E E
July 8th, 2008, 05:09 AM
Great ep in that there are so many aliens. 3 system lords and Thor! And Tealc.

This is the first time Jack has met Thor, right?

Ulkesh47
July 8th, 2008, 10:41 AM
This is the first time Jack has met Thor, right?
Yes it is the first time.

In "Thor's Hammer", Jack and Teal'c met a hologram of Thor in the form of a Norse warrior. A year later, Daniel, Carter and Gairwyn met an interactive hologram of Thor (with the Asgard look) in "Thor's Chariot".

And in "The Fifth Race", Jack met his first Asgard (and indeed the first "real" Asgard in the show), although Thor wasn't there.

pritnep
August 14th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Not the most exciting of episodes but like people have said still cool because of the fact we meet 3 system lords, Thor and invisble technology.

Congratulations to Major Samantha Carter, going to have to get used to her a Major in the re-watch now.

Hehe Jack's speech would of been funny. I love the friendship, jokes and conversations that Thor and Jack share - the start of a good friendship.

Jack's "woops" was also a classic. Of course all the Yu puns/jokes.

You have to wonder why they didn't have the iris closed when they were doing the presentation I mean they do reguarly have unscheduled offworld activations.

Although Kronos was the most powerful Goa'uld there Yu seemed to speak more for the system lords, especially when he mentioned their terms. You would think that would be something the most powerful and leader would say.

Interesting to learn about Teal'c's father and why he hated Kronos.

Nerrti almost had the perfect plan if it wasn't for our friends and intel.

Black_Sheep
September 1st, 2008, 05:37 PM
Yet another strong episode for season 3! great. It was very interesting to hear about Teal'c's father and to see other systemlords and not to mention learn more about the Asgard.

YutheGreat
November 2nd, 2008, 08:37 PM
I still love this episode until now. Introduces Yu the Great, Thor the Supreme Commander of the Asgard fleet and rumors of enemies worse than the Goauld beings that even the Asgards are afraid of.

leiasky
November 4th, 2008, 11:13 AM
I really liked this episode a lot myself. It's always great fun to watch Jack interact with Thor.

RononXSpecialist
November 11th, 2008, 10:15 AM
Love episodes with Asgard in them..
Haha good job Jack with the Meeting "Apparently we sat down insulted eachother and broke for a short recess"
LoL

leiasky
November 11th, 2008, 12:42 PM
Yeah, Jack having to deal with the negotiations was really funny.

Pic
January 24th, 2009, 08:00 PM
A good, solid episode. Sam gets promoted, Jack chats with Thor, snake-heads are typically overdramatic and evil, Teal'c gets beat up, Daniel plays peacemaker, Sam uses her Tok'ra magic...
All good stuff.
;)

Cello
February 1st, 2009, 11:10 PM
I was rather disappointed to learn that the Asgard have limits. :D

I guess one Asgard ship can't handle 100 Goa'uld pyramids. After Thor destroyed Goa'uld ships with such ease in "Thor's Hammer" and "Point of View" I was hoping he would do the same here. But I guess 100 Goa'ulds would be too much.

gateship15
February 2nd, 2009, 12:04 AM
i liked danial trying to make a treaty. i also think that if u destroy one or two goa'ulds more will come i also think that the Asgard knew the Goa'uld now know of earth so if they destroy all the goa'uld deferentially when they are in a war of there own with the replicators.

Dinoman
February 18th, 2009, 04:56 PM
Did anyone notice that the tie on Jack's uniform is not 'real'? I mean the tie knot was not 'tie' but a 'ready-made' one. IMO, I think it's kind of weird on the USAF uniform for an officer at the rank of Colonel.

gateship15
February 21st, 2009, 10:07 PM
no i didn't notice altho next time i watch this episode i will have a look at the tie

leiasky
February 21st, 2009, 11:17 PM
Did anyone notice that the tie on Jack's uniform is not 'real'? I mean the tie knot was not 'tie' but a 'ready-made' one. IMO, I think it's kind of weird on the USAF uniform for an officer at the rank of Colonel.

I just rewatched this episode today with a friend and noticed the tie for the first time! I was surprised to see it wasn't a normal tie as well.

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 03:20 PM
i think yu is the best system lord :D and sneaky thor staying behind.

The Stig
April 24th, 2009, 03:10 PM
Wasn't it nice to see teal'c and cronus bonding. the investigation part of the story was good. jack with responsibility was another good aspect of the story.

drewandian
June 11th, 2009, 05:26 AM
Yah, it looked really promising when Sam showed she could use the Goa'uld tech., but I suppose if she had been written as "Super Sam" it would have made the rest of the team kind of redundant, i.e.

A large group of Jaffa appear over the hill, SC blasts them with her ribbon device, or Daniel/Jack/T'ealc gets injured, SC heals them with her glowing jam tart, or SC interrogates a prisoner by inflicting pain with her ribbon device.

Then the show becomes SG Carter, not SG-1. :)

The Goa'uld use these devices, without discretion, just because they can...Carter wouldn't be any better than the Goa'uld if she used all of these things anytime she felt the situation warranted it...it's kinda the whole "with great power comes great responsibility" thing, imo;)

it's been a while since i've seen this ep...i'm gonna hafta rewatch it and come back when i've got more....

AtlantisRules!!!
August 30th, 2009, 06:25 PM
Did anyone else notice that, they said the asgard demanded that there would be no weapons... then we have the scene where they make Teal'c hand over his staff... the next scene is 10 or so airmen running through the halls, preparing for the goa'ulds arrival with guns in their hands. :p

leiasky
August 31st, 2009, 09:09 AM
There is a line of dialogue regarding that. I think its Jack that mentions that there was another thing they'd disregarded with regards to the treaty and then the airmen stream into the room carrying weapons.

AtlantisRules!!!
September 2nd, 2009, 04:20 AM
There is a line of dialogue regarding that. I think its Jack that mentions that there was another thing they'd disregarded with regards to the treaty and then the airmen stream into the room carrying weapons.

Yah.. forgot about that :p I typed that while watching the ep :p

JoshuaJSlone
October 12th, 2009, 04:49 AM
The beginning of this episode unnerves me. Having speeches and promotion ceremonies right in front of the un-irised gate, I kept expecting an unscheduled offworld activation to disintegrate SG-1, Hammond, and the Secretary of Defense.

stargatelover4ever
January 11th, 2010, 11:38 AM
I love the lines between Daniel and Jack in the end of the episode after Nirrti passes through the gate

Daniel: Boy, she's gonna get it!:daniel24:
Jack: My heart bleeds:rolleyes:

mrscopterdoc
March 2nd, 2010, 07:37 PM
Did anyone else notice that, they said the asgard demanded that there would be no weapons... then we have the scene where they make Teal'c hand over his staff... the next scene is 10 or so airmen running through the halls, preparing for the goa'ulds arrival with guns in their hands. :p
:lol:


The beginning of this episode unnerves me. Having speeches and promotion ceremonies right in front of the un-irised gate, I kept expecting an unscheduled offworld activation to disintegrate SG-1, Hammond, and the Secretary of Defense.
me too!

It was nice to see Sam get a promotion.

StargateWatcher
March 30th, 2010, 06:50 PM
Thor was less then helpful in this episode.

he did have his hands tied by the Asgard High Council so not hisfault

StargateWatcher
March 30th, 2010, 07:00 PM
SpoilerAnubis wipes out most of the tollan in between two fires after they refuse to cooperate with him by sending a phasing bomb through the gate to earth. They are to overcnfidant and destroyed easily by Anubises Tech.
I love this episode and the idea that the Asgard help with the treaty but in the end we don't need too much of their help except maybe jack as hes not the proper diplomat.

true; u could see he does the hardballish 'realpolitik' but he says what he feels is necessary to say even if his negotiatees don't like it

maneth
August 12th, 2010, 10:48 AM
Loved the intrigue in this one.

Noxbait
February 2nd, 2011, 04:15 PM
All I have to say is: Best Speech Ever! "I'm a man of few words...and so in conclusion..." Love Jack! I think it is cool how the Asgard vessel looks like the hallway in Othalla seen in
5th Race. I love how Jack's fixated on seeing the earth while Thor is trying to start telling him why he just got beamed up. Jack is so practical!
I thought they all looked quite spiffy all dressed up in their blues...even Teal'c and Daniel were coordinated!
It's so cute how Jack tries to get out of the negotiatior role ASAP. He says a lot of very nice things stuff about Daniel, didn't he?....and completely seriously, no sarcasm at all. I think this part was a prime example of their close, yet understated and complicated friendship. It's just cute how anywhere you look, you almost always find Daniel hanging over Jack's shoulder.

I just love this episode for so many reasons. This is high on my list of most awesome episodes ever. Great character interactions/relationships, great badguys.
This will always be on my list of must see episodes.

"boy is she gonna get it!" "My heart bleeds" : ) Classic!

FrodoFraggins
March 25th, 2011, 04:45 AM
9/10

Thor and three system lords in the same room with O'Neill = great stuff

Thor revealing that their home system is fighting an even worse enemy was cool

Nitpicks:

When the gate alarms sounds, the producer/editor spliced in a previously used shot of soldiers running toward the gate room with rifles. This is after they showed that every weapon had been removed from the base.

Thor - cheap rubber puppet with terrible lip syncing. They should have just made them speak telepathically, it wouldn't look as bad. I find his lifeless rubber arms/bidy to be distracting to the story. CGI Thor, as he stood up to walk to O'Neill was sadly worse.

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 1st, 2011, 04:23 AM
Nice and intriguing, more enjoyable upon this rewatch than I remembered it being. There's a part of me dislikes the new revelations we are shown about Goa'uld society here, I think it weakens their position as a threat quite considerably. Before this point I had never imagined the Goa'ulds getting together for a sitdown and working out treaties, and they come across as very childish.

I love that Carter gets promoted to Major, and I had completely forgotten that Teal'c has a history with Cronus. Jack's interactions with Thor are quite fun, but Thor himself isn't the lovable Asgard we all know by this point. This episode has a beautifully atmospheric look to it with very nice use of shadows throughout, and it's also quite claustraphobic (which works).

- The Stargate puddle has a lovely blue to it, looking quite different to previously.

- The introduction of Yu, Niirti and Cronus. I think Yu is one of the most interesting Goa'uld characters on the show, he always came across as having a different attitude and point of view to many of the other system lords.

- Jack is right to be confused when he accidentally insults everybody at the first negotiation, there is no real explanation for anything that he did wrong!

- The fact that the Reetou continue to get mentioned really suggests that the writers/producers did intend to revisit them in the show.

- A brave attempt with the completely CG shot of Thor, but it's not good. It doesn't even remotely resemble the puppet.

RATING: 7.5 out of 10

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 3rd, 2011, 07:44 PM
I've never cared that much for this episode (the same is true of all politically based episodes). On the other hand, I did enjoy the ending.

Seaboe

Krisz
October 4th, 2011, 05:11 PM
This episode turned out to be one that I enjoyed more on this rewatch than I remembered. I'd completely forgotten about the beginning of the episode with Sam's promotion.

It's an amazing thing that the Goa'uld have reached the level of power they have in the galaxy and survive given how petty they are, squabbling like children.

Love the idea that the Asgard are bluffing about the extent of their influence in the galaxy, how 'human' that moment with Jack was when Thor said as much, realising that Jack had figured it out. This is where the seeds for the trust and friendship between them were sown. definitely a moment I'd completely forgotten about in this episode.

Bluffing the Goa'uld becomes a Tau'ri pastime too from this point!

Jae'a
October 5th, 2011, 04:51 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/13243.html)
Some funny bits with Jack in this ep. :D

mathpiglet
October 5th, 2011, 08:43 AM
Did anyone else notice that, they said the asgard demanded that there would be no weapons... then we have the scene where they make Teal'c hand over his staff... the next scene is 10 or so airmen running through the halls, preparing for the goa'ulds arrival with guns in their hands. :p

Absolutely. Very glaring.



SNIP - Jack is right to be confused when he accidentally insults everybody at the first negotiation, there is no real explanation for anything that he did wrong!

I found this difficult to take. Was Jack badly briefed? Did he not read the rules beforehand? Surely in negotiations as serious as this, Jack should have been completely aware of what was required. IMO, it made him look like an idiot. I can understand trying to lighten the mood a little with his off-hand comments, but at his rank in this situation, I found his dialog straining to be funny.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 5th, 2011, 04:52 PM
Pretty good episode. We are introduced to 3 Goa'ulds, one of whom was mentioned in season 1.

I realized that all 3 of these will eventually be killed off during an episode from an even-numbered season (4, 6, 8), which occurred during the back half of said season.

Tomorrow, Daniel goes crazy.

Matt G
October 6th, 2011, 04:15 PM
5pm and another ep of SG1...(later had this ep on VHS!)

1. Congratulations Major Carter! :)

2. Jack makes his speech and...woah! My first sight of grey-Thor as well as his.

3. There are enough definitions of "insult" around and Thor was clearly expecting something like this to happen.

4. I'm not sure I honestly expected to ever see the "enemy of the Asgard" - I initially just assumed it was a plot device.

5. Pulling a fast one on the snakeheads! :)

Interesting ep!

jelgate
October 8th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Its a fact that the Asgard make a good episode.

This episode is a plot starter. It develops along the Goa'uld threat and why they don't just assemble a whole fleet of ships after us. I like seeing how the Goa'uld are scared of the Asgard and answers the question why they don't just decimate the Goa'uld.

I like how it presents the plot arc of what will be the Replicators and still making the Goa'uld scum for us.A little bit on the talking side as we engage in diplomacy and it was pretty obvious what was up to when Cronus was attacked as Teal'c would never cause harm to his friends and Yu is uninterested in the Tauri. All in all a good episode.

dtheories
October 9th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Was Jack badly briefed? Did he not read the rules beforehand? Surely in negotiations as serious as this, Jack should have been completely aware of what was required.

I had trouble with that as well, though the outburst certainly was consistent with O'Neill's personality. He did try to warn them he might not be the right negotiator for this job.

It was fairly classic O'Neill throughout the episode, though; standing by Teal'c after learning of his reason for 'disliking' Kronus, "Hello Yu!" and his expressing complete disbelief that Earth should give up not only the 'gate but it's destiny to develop technologies and not become slaves to the Goa'uld.

The chilling realization that killing Hathor had shined a spotlight on Earth should have been cause enough for the government to resist the Protected Planet's Treaty as written, not cower in fear. I was surprised by that turn. Wasn't surprised that Carter would get recognized and not Daniel, however. The military vs. civilian thing is highlighted as well.

fems
October 9th, 2011, 12:20 PM
The chilling realization that killing Hathor had shined a spotlight on Earth should have been cause enough for the government to resist the Protected Planet's Treaty as written, not cower in fear.

I really had to agree with Jack here... Hathor had been stuck in a sarcophagus for centuries and only got back into the galaxy about a year and a half ago. How could the System Lords possibly think she was a powerful enough Goa'uld to start looking at Earth as a formidable enemy? Not to mention that Hathor's Jaffa had been stolen from other Goa'uld! I wouldn't be surprised if she'd stolen Jaffa from the SL themselves and planned to overthrow them. If anything, Hathor had been basically out of the loop of the galactic happenings and would presumably lay low until she had amassed enough of an army and knowledge of the state of affairs of the galaxy, so how come the SL knew about her in the first place? Let alone be pissed about the Tau'ri killing her off. They really should be thanking them.

Matt G
October 10th, 2011, 05:37 AM
Wasn't surprised that Carter would get recognized and not Daniel, however. The military vs. civilian thing is highlighted as well.

What do you mean by Daniel not getting recognised? I'm not sure how a civilian can be recognised for this sort of stuff whereas a miliary promotion can be explained in various ways.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 10th, 2011, 11:41 AM
What do you mean by Daniel not getting recognised? I'm not sure how a civilian can be recognised for this sort of stuff...
Maybe he got a bonus. ;)

(not trying to get into a discussion of whether civilian employees of the military can even get bonuses).

Seaboe

Starscape91
October 10th, 2011, 12:00 PM
I liked this episode we learned more about the System Lords and the Asgard.

SaraBahama
October 10th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Jack the negotiator...not.

I watch this ep and wonder how he ever finds himself swimming with the Washington sharks after Season 8. He's a man that likes to speak plainly and detests kissing up.

I enjoy the beginning of what turns out to be a beautiful friendship with the Asgard.

Sam getting to use the hand device again -to heal Cronus was very cool. I would have liked to have seen more of this as the show progressed.

Nice history on Teal'c's character and good friendship support from Daniel when Teal'c confides in him.

lookupwardsnshare
October 10th, 2011, 07:54 PM
I've never cared that much for this episode (the same is true of all politically based episodes). On the other hand, I did enjoy the ending.

Seaboe

Have to agree with you totally...hate politics!

THOR...love the Asgard, but he wasn't very helpful in this episode.

Matt G
October 11th, 2011, 08:21 AM
Jack the negotiator...not.

I watch this ep and wonder how he ever finds himself swimming with the Washington sharks after Season 8. He's a man that likes to speak plainly and detests kissing up.



Fair point, probably because he'd helped save the world so many times that he didn't have to kiss up too much - people actually listen to him.

SaraBahama
October 11th, 2011, 09:46 AM
Fair point, probably because he'd helped save the world so many times that he didn't have to kiss up too much - people actually listen to him.

Oh -no disrespect to Jack. I absolutely love his character -his sarcasm and wry humor included.

He did grow a lot and learned how to edit himself (and there are just sometimes in politics that you really NEED a 'Jack' in the room to say what needs to be said), but I can imagine how uncomfortable DC would make him.

I agree with your point about how many times he's saved the world "this should not get old, general."

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 15th, 2011, 04:55 AM
Ah Kronos. I wonder who Teal'c hates more. Kronos or Apophis. An okay ep. But nothing brilliant.

Good to see some more background on Teal'c.

Nut_ty
October 18th, 2011, 08:56 PM
I enjoy this episode; there are several “classical” moments.
• Jack’s “I’m a man of few words…” and then “poof”, he’s gone.
• Daniel’s line about taking on the petty needs of the Gou’ld, and he looks ;)hot:daniel: in that suit!
• Finding out that the System Lords are not a ruling body—just a loose confederation of the most powerful Gou’lds (with the exception of the ones kicked out of the System Lords club)
• The mystery of who attacked Cronus and Teal’c
• The Asgards “bluffing” the Systems Lords, and Jack following suit so Nirriti will reveal herself as the guilty party
• The closing lines between Daniel and Jack about how Nirriti going to “get it”.

As mentioned in this thread before—the glaring error of using a stock scene of the SFs running to the Gate Room with their guns, before the “no weapons” rule has been broken.

muziqaz
October 23rd, 2011, 03:58 AM
Great episode. 1st real encounter of Asgard and Thor.
Jack: Normally I am a man of few words. 'beam'... and in conclusion I'd like to say... :D I was rolling on the floor laughing.
Even without the beaming that speech would have been hilarious: Normally I am a man of few words and in conclusion I'd like to say... :D There is military for you :D

And another one:
Jack: Apparently we said hello, insulted each other and broke for recess :D
Jack is most funny when he is not comfortable with situation he is in :D

And as always, Goa'uld had Earth in their hands with the treaty rules, they had to mess it up. Amateurs :D

Dave2
November 24th, 2011, 10:47 AM
O'Neil's way of interacting with aliens as a perfect American human is outstanding.....
Now, one would have thought that once the goa'ulds found out that the earthlings saved Cronus's life, they would have been able to change their behavior, but I guess it's not possible. I wonder why it was never possible to establish a real alliance with a goa'uld lord against the others whereby the goa'uld is no longer an enemy.
In any case, how was the treaty executed without the presence of Thor who left too early, and why is it that we never see interaction with more than a single Asgard, namely Thor?

How did the goa'ulds decide on selecting the representative for the negotiations? And how many system lords actually exist?

Lunaeclipse
November 24th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Ah Kronos. I wonder who Teal'c hates more. Kronos or Apophis. An okay ep. But nothing brilliant.

Interesting thought...

Dimes
December 23rd, 2011, 08:39 AM
Always a good episode when the Asgard is involved! :D

mjwalshe
February 3rd, 2012, 03:52 PM
Maybe he got a bonus. ;)

(not trying to get into a discussion of whether civilian employees of the military can even get bonuses).

Seaboe

well Daniels presumably a civil servant and there is an equivalent pay scale that maps a civil service grades to a milatery ones so he could get a promotion :-)

Gate_Builder
February 7th, 2012, 11:33 AM
Ah Kronos. I wonder who Teal'c hates more. Kronos or Apophis. An okay ep. But nothing brilliant.

Good to see some more background on Teal'c.

I would think he hates Kronos the most, seeing as how he killed Teal'c's father, and in such a brutal manner.

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 12:54 PM
Goa'uld on Earth, and Jack is NOT happy about it. Of course, who would be?

As always, he had the best lines, from his joking about Yu to his sarcasm regarding how negotiations were going. Nice little mystery thing going there, too.

Nothing else to say, except...
:tealcanime23: "You killed my father!"
Kronos: "No, Teal'c! I am your father!"
:tealcanime49:

Sorry, couldn't resist. The motif of someone killing the good guy's father is getting kind of old...

filter
November 4th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Thor and the Asgard could only do so much in this episode. The war against the replicators meant that they couldn't spare enough ships to not only defend earth but all the other protected planets under there protection while still fighting the replicators so did the best they could.
It was good to see other system lords for a change. The only reason they were willing to talk is that they fear Asgard technology. Since they don't know anything about the replicators they were just assume that the Asgard would bring a massive fleet.
And with Hathor, even though she may have not been in a strong position to attack the system lords the fact was a supposedly primitive world of slaves and hosts had shown it was able to take on a goa'uld again and win

Major Clanger
January 5th, 2013, 09:16 AM
loved the reference to the Replicators in this ep, even though they are not mentioned by name.

apart from that - not too bad but...

Daniel looked fine in his smart jacket...

garhkal
January 9th, 2013, 03:53 PM
I wonder where he got that from?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 10th, 2013, 07:41 AM
Huh? I don't remember them being confined to base before the Goau'ld arrived. He probably had it in his closet at home.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 3rd, 2013, 08:21 AM
Diplomacy isn't Jack's strong suit. Thor must have had a case of his massive brain being missing when they chose him as human representative. Good thing it turned out fine in the end. :p

You know, Chronus was almost smiling there at the end, like he was looking forward to capturing SG1 in his territory so he can punish them for being such smart-asses. :p They're like irritating bugs on a windshield that need to be squashed and wiped away.

Nirrti's just a pain-in-the-butt -- no way around it. But gosh, do I love Jacqueline Samuda as Nirrti. :p

One thing that bothered me about this episode was the genormous difference between puppet-Thor and his 3D alter ego. They couldn't be further apart. I was watching past the dialogue right before he hands that communication device to Jack, admiring puppet-Thor. The level of detail in his skin. Then puppet-Thor gets up from his chair, and the imagery switches to 3D-Thor and I almost choke on my coffee at the neglect in his appearance. It's like they didn't have time to add texture so they went with alien grey. His face is different too like they are two different asgard. A bit of a let down really... :(

Anja
September 12th, 2015, 09:35 AM
O'Neill in a role he really hates - but he does well for the fate of Earth. Good background story concerning Teal'c - and again a tiny little bit of humanity even in the worst guys.

maneth
November 27th, 2015, 10:44 PM
Cool episode, I really felt sorry for Jack and the position he was in. I enjoyed the way Sam had to use the Goa'uld healing device this time, after having to kill Seth with the weapon in the last episode. Loved learning more about Teal'c's background too.

Tyrathraxus
June 19th, 2016, 10:47 PM
Question that I never really thought about now. I assume with the right training, even Jack could use a ribbon/healing device now because of Kanaan?

Anja
June 20th, 2016, 01:58 AM
Question that I never really thought about now. I assume with the right training, even Jack could use a ribbon/healing device now because of Kanaan?

Maybe not because he left Jack, Carter's symbiont died inside her.

garhkal
June 20th, 2016, 11:52 AM
Question that I never really thought about now. I assume with the right training, even Jack could use a ribbon/healing device now because of Kanaan?

We don't know. Maybe he COULD, but that angle never got looked into.
Also, with his having the ATA gene, perhaps that would prevent any gou'ald markers being left??

Tyrathraxus
June 20th, 2016, 06:36 PM
A Follow up question:

I remember something about the Go'auld being able to use their technology because of the amounts of Naquadria in their blood which was a remnant of using the Sarcophagus. ie their ability to use the healing device/ ribbon device.

But then we have seen Tok'ra using them. And Martouf states as a matter of fact they don't use Sarcophagus because it crushes their will from within.

garhkal
June 20th, 2016, 11:33 PM
I don't remember the 'naquadria in the blood cause OF the sarc' statement?

Tyrathraxus
June 21st, 2016, 12:47 AM
maybe I just misremember it.

Anja
June 21st, 2016, 05:02 AM
The sarc didn't provide naquadria.

jelgate
June 21st, 2016, 02:00 PM
Naqudah (not to confused with the unstable naduadria) is in the Goa'uld's blood because its so abundant on their homeworld. I think it was unique protein markers in Goa'uld physiology that allows the use of Goa'uld. I think that is how they explained that Sam uses it after Jolinar died

Tyrathraxus
June 21st, 2016, 08:43 PM
I thought It WAS NOT present in the Go'auld. The Unas/ Symbiote homeplanet.. didn't someone say these wild Go'auld didn't have Naquadah in their blood?

jelgate
June 21st, 2016, 08:57 PM
Because the original Goa'uld had depleted it all. So the ones Daniel found in the First One had none because the older Goa'uld had used it all

Tyrathraxus
June 21st, 2016, 09:21 PM
Im gonna go back and watch those eps tonight because my memories are different.

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2018, 05:08 PM
Oh boy, this was a lot more boring than I remember from previous times. Although, I couldn't really remember what the episode was about... that's saying something. There are very few episodes really that ring no bells -- this is one of them.

The Protected Planets Treaty deal thingy with Thor, and Yu, Chronus and Nirrti -- and Jack as diplomat. What could possibly go wrong? :p

I was bored throughout the episode this time round. Annoyed at 3D-Thor.
Seriously people, at least have your puppet and 3D-render resemble each other somewhat -- it was like there was two different Asgard there, Thor and his evil twin. :p

Meh, so they're having a talk about the Goa'uld leaving Earth well enough alone, and Earth just going about its own business. Good thing Nirrti had other plans or SG-1 would have ended in season 3 with the stargates out of commission.

The episode didn't pull me in this time around... it's gonna affect the scoring here, unfortunately:

How would you rate SG-1's "Fair Game?"

Excellent
Good
Fair -- it has some redeeming elements: Yu, Nirrti, Thor (puppet, not 3D)
Poor
Terrible

Falcon Horus
January 22nd, 2018, 03:19 PM
Dropping the 3-episode quiz (Into The Fire, Seth & Fair Game) (https://goo.gl/forms/WbjQUzY44Jeq4RlD2) today and the jigsaw puzzle for Fair Game (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=N29LM2RR).

jelgate
January 23rd, 2018, 07:51 PM
I like episodes like this. To FH's point yes it lacks actions but some of the best science fiction stories are low in action. This episode is good for showing insight into how the Goa'uld operate and explains how they interact with the Asgard. The CGI doesn't bother me that much but Thor chosing Jack doesn't make much sense.

14/15 on the quiz. I'll do the puzzle later when I have time

Falcon Horus
January 24th, 2018, 01:54 AM
...Thor chosing Jack doesn't make much sense.

The Colonel was clearly in agreement with that assessment. :p

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 24th, 2018, 07:34 AM
Let's face it (and I say this as a hard-core RDA fan), Thor chose Jack because RDA was the star of the show.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
January 24th, 2018, 11:00 AM
Let's face it (and I say this as a hard-core RDA fan), Thor chose Jack because RDA was the star of the show.

:lol:

Good point.

jelgate
January 24th, 2018, 01:59 PM
Is that not the lazy writing you used to complain about in the old days FH?:P

Falcon Horus
January 24th, 2018, 02:57 PM
Is that not the lazy writing you used to complain about in the old days FH?:P

It is lazy writing -- and be thankful I haven't uttered my grievances in that department and kept them under wraps cause Carter has been in the backside more times now than I can count. If she wasn't on the team, we wouldn't have noticed her missing. Teal'c the same.

I sense a pattern.

jelgate
January 24th, 2018, 07:55 PM
5 minutes and 21 seconds

Falcon Horus
January 26th, 2018, 05:14 PM
Yu got me at 7:23.

Platschu
August 4th, 2018, 03:57 PM
Talking about flags. If you look closely there are different Goa'uld and Asgard flags in the meeting room. It is worth of having a look. :)

Yu has got a 4 Goa'uld headed dragon and it is re-used later in the 5x18 The Warrior as a background decoration.

Thor has got a Nordic motives which has got a hammer on the top.

Nirrti has got some animals on it. You can see it - When Carter and Jack talks it is visible.

Cronos has got 2 Goa'ulds upside down on a blue bacground which shows his Greek influence. - You can see it when Thor gives the control chrystal to Jack.

Falcon Horus
August 8th, 2018, 03:21 AM
Yes, these flags I took notice of. The detail as to which person they belong to is amazing. The prop department did a wonderful job there. :D

Platschu
August 27th, 2018, 10:50 AM
3x03 Fair game
Why would the Goa’uld hold a meeting on such a present, what they can not visit in the future? It doesn’t sound logical to show them where they can not rule over.

BethHG
August 27th, 2018, 08:14 PM
Hmm... I really thought I did more puzzles and commented more. Weird. 9:37

Who Knows
September 18th, 2018, 08:37 AM
10.29. I am beginning to think that using the laptop with it's small screen is affecting my times.

Falcon Horus
September 22nd, 2018, 09:09 AM
10.29. I am beginning to think that using the laptop with it's small screen is affecting my times.

I have not dared to use my tablet, cause that touch screen will definitely affect my times. :p

jelgate
September 22nd, 2018, 12:55 PM
I tried it once with a touch screen. I did worse than Who Knows.