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April 27th, 2004, 09:17 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 302</FONT>
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SG-1 must find a renegade Goa'uld who has been hiding on Earth for thousands of years.

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Slainte
May 10th, 2004, 12:42 PM
I really like this episode for the Carter family interaction and that includes the bits between Jacob and Selmak. We get a brief glimpse of the dynamic between host and symbiote.

KorbenDirewolf
May 19th, 2004, 05:34 AM
I really thought that Set/Setesh/Seth/whatever would've made a great recurring character... The idea of a Goa'uld hiding out right where no one would think to look, unless there was reason. And liked the bit where they explained how Apophis brainwashed Rya'c and why the zat cure worked on him.

elhSG1
May 19th, 2004, 05:38 AM
I thought it was a very nicely done earth based episode. I agree, Seth would've made a good recurring character. One of my favorite parts was when the President called, that was great.

DJFavorite
May 19th, 2004, 08:53 AM
I liked the basic story. The only issue I had was why wouldn't they have thought that Sam would have blown thier cover the same as Teal'c or Jacob? I mean, were they counting on Sam being un-noticed for a time period? I just think that was the only 'lame' part of the episode.

Jeff O'Connor
May 19th, 2004, 09:36 AM
I liked the basic story. The only issue I had was why wouldn't they have thought that Sam would have blown thier cover the same as Teal'c or Jacob? I mean, were they counting on Sam being un-noticed for a time period? I just think that was the only 'lame' part of the episode.

I think they just sort've forgot in the rush that Sam would be detected due to her stance in SG-1 and her Human-ness, and the fact that she isn't Goa'uld or Jaffa or whatnot. It was weird and sort've lame, yes, but... it still did surprise me a bit when Seth found her out. Nevertheless I think Seth rocked. I kept waiting for him to say...

"I am the Highlander."

Or something.

Polyglot
May 19th, 2004, 09:25 PM
Hey, wasn't this the episode where Teal'c makes a Jaffa joke? Something about a Horse guard, a Serpent guard, and a Setesh guard in the same room.. it is a tense moment.. The Horse guard (something). The Serpent guard (something). "The Setesh guard's nose drips" I think was the punchline. I dunno about anybody else, but *I* thought it was funny.. Even if I can't remember half of it, heh.

Anubis
May 19th, 2004, 11:27 PM
This episode was great. I think it was clever to hid somewhere where someone wouldn't necessarily find you very easily

I think this was the episode with the Jaffa joke, but I'm not sure. I had to laugh because it was the way that they all just stared at Teal'c

KorbenDirewolf
May 20th, 2004, 11:59 AM
I shall attempt to translate one: A Serpent Guard, a Horus Guard and a Setesh Guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent Guard's eyes glow. The Horus Guard's beak glistens. The Setesh Guard's nose drips.

Neon Rider
June 6th, 2004, 11:00 AM
I remeber when Carter's dad was in the elevator and Selmak was *****ing because her father was angry or something about her brother. Sorry my memory is shot. :D One part I don't understand is why wouldn't someone see the Zat guns and not do a double take? Seth was clever to make it look like a cult.

The ending was sweet though.

"So help me if I wake up singing soprano!" -Jack

Crazedwraith
June 6th, 2004, 01:22 PM
I shall attempt to translate one: A Serpent Guard, a Horus Guard and a Setesh Guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent Guard's eyes glow. The Horus Guard's beak glistens. The Setesh Guard's nose drips.


MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Jaffa have No lives

bcmilco
June 6th, 2004, 02:04 PM
I shall attempt to translate one: A Serpent Guard, a Horus Guard and a Setesh Guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent Guard's eyes glow. The Horus Guard's beak glistens. The Setesh Guard's nose drips.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Jaffa have No lives

I thought that joke was funny... of course I have no life :p

Elwe Singollo
June 6th, 2004, 02:05 PM
I thought that was funny :D

KorbenDirewolf
June 6th, 2004, 03:40 PM
Of course its funny. Teal'c is the funniest character in the series.

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 01:06 AM
I liked this ep., but I found the throne a little excessive, I got this odd picture of Seth persuading his followers to kill themselves, then leaving with his chair on a sack barrow! :eek:

Iskandra
June 12th, 2004, 06:46 AM
I laughed so hard I cried with the Jaffa joke...although I refuse to think that Seth is *really* dead ;)

The funny thing is that even *real* Egyptologists can't agree on what Seth's animal actually is - it's a compound of several animals...I remember someone at a conference saying "Oh, Seth...he has an ass head...erm...I mean, ass's head" *snicker*

stargate barbie
June 20th, 2004, 03:18 PM
i like this episode, but i don't think it ages that well. probably largely due to the fact that now, because i've seen the same actor play daniels father, i keep waiting for seth to say something like, "daniel, i am your father". and for daniel to yell "NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!". but hey, still a good ep.
as for the joke. i laughed. but i too have no life.
i loved carter and the ribbon device, but i actually thought seth looked pretty funny when he was embedded in the ground.
i probably like this one because seth is one of my favourite gods. i wanted to call my dog seth, but nobody else agreed to it because "sit seth" just sounded bad. i'm still bitter about the whole thing :p

Newbie
June 20th, 2004, 08:41 PM
i liked how Sam used the POWER HAND, lol, whatever it's called....they should follow up on that some more ;)

Elwe Singollo
June 20th, 2004, 11:29 PM
I thought it was brutal how Seth died, ahha... But i too enjoyed the 'power hand', haha..

Iskandra
June 21st, 2004, 02:11 AM
i like this episode, but i don't think it ages that well. probably largely due to the fact that now, because i've seen the same actor play daniels father, i keep waiting for seth to say something like, "daniel, i am your father". and for daniel to yell "NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!".

He is? Honestly? *gulp* I'll have to rewatch that..... :eek:

Anubis
June 21st, 2004, 06:57 AM
The way he was killed was great. Just flung into the ground with the hand device!

Elwe Singollo
June 21st, 2004, 11:07 AM
Then daniel and them were like "you killed him", haha..

Iskandra
June 22nd, 2004, 12:46 PM
I still thin he was not *quite* dead....hoping he will, someday, turn up again... :D

Mr Prophet
June 22nd, 2004, 12:53 PM
Feh. He was a loser.

greytop
July 5th, 2004, 06:32 AM
I remeber when Carter's dad was in the elevator and Selmak was *****ing because her father was angry or something about her brother.
Jacob and Mark had spoken to each other for a long time. It had to when his, Mark's and Sam's mother died.

I thought is was interesting that this eposide showed that the host and the symbote don't alway agree with the way things are going, just as friends don't always agree with things.

Shipperahoy
July 5th, 2004, 07:49 AM
That's one thing that's always kind of bugged me though. If the host and the symbiote had a really serious disagreement over how to do something how is that resolved? It seems from looking at the Gou'ald that the symbiote could take over the body at will. And from what they've shown of the Tokra I don't think the symbiote would hesitate to override the host if it thought their mission was in jeopardy.

I like the interaction between Jacob and Jack in this episode too. They're funny together.

Anubis
July 5th, 2004, 07:53 AM
My guess is that the evil symbiote takes control! :D

Ancient
July 19th, 2004, 05:56 PM
for some reason I really liked this episode

Ancient
July 19th, 2004, 05:58 PM
elevator scene. snubbin in tthe atf agents face about talking to the commander and chief, the humor of teal'c and jack oh man this was a great episode and seeing sam f that goauld up oh mman

Yu Huang Shang Ti
July 23rd, 2004, 09:35 AM
This episode sorta reinforces the fact that the sarcophagus is partially what make the Goa'uld as evil as they are, with the genetic memories of their race's evils being the other part. Even though Seth was "hiding out" on Earth, at the same time it should've been a fairly trivial issue for him to maneuver himself into positions of power. The System Lords never came looking for him during the Pax Romana or the later Chinese Dynasties or during the Russian Revolution because the gate was buried, so what difference would they know if he periodically tried conquering the world under the guise of mortal emperors and warlords?

But, he didn't. Instead of gaining power over the planet at the cost of his godhood, Seth was content to have small, dedicated groups in his immediate vicinity worship him in his true persona. That goes to show you that even without the sarcophagus, the Goa'uld still crave power, but even more than that, they crave adolation and worship. I think that the missing brain scramble from the sarcophagus is what really kept him from rising up.

Of course it's just a theory, but as the saying goes, a theory which happens to fit the facts. Continue your regularly scheduled episodic praise.

Oh, and the Jaffa joke totally made me bust a gut, half from the joke itself and half from Teal'c's laugh and the total lack of reaction from everyone else.

Anubis
July 23rd, 2004, 09:37 AM
The joke was the best bit of it all! I loved that scene

KorbenDirewolf
July 23rd, 2004, 09:38 AM
Setesh could have made a great repeat villian. Too bad he never made it offworld.

Anubis
July 23rd, 2004, 09:40 AM
I agree. I think his death must have hurt a lot the first swipe into the ground

Major Fischer
August 16th, 2004, 10:04 PM
I like the epsiode, but always find myself wishing:

A) that they'd made Seth less of a milk toast goa'uld. They say he's bad, and talk about him, but he just doesn't play well as the embodyment of chaos.

B) I wish there had been more done with Sam's brother...

Anubis
August 17th, 2004, 01:06 AM
A) that they'd made Seth less of a milk toast goa'uld. They say he's bad, and talk about him, but he just doesn't play well as the embodyment of chaos.



I don't think Seth was that evil for a Gou'ald. All he did was make his people say that "Seth is great". Well, we expect people to say that to him, but I think he was a bit of a lame 'mini-ruler'.

ibwolf
August 17th, 2004, 02:42 AM
I don't think Seth was that evil for a Gou'ald. All he did was make his people say that "Seth is great". Well, we expect people to say that to him, but I think he was a bit of a lame 'mini-ruler'.

Seth was evil, no doubt (I mean he enslaved people, maybe not by their thousands or millions, but it's still evil). But he wasn't in a position to be a big threat to humanity. He was hiding from Ra and the system lords and needed to keep a reasonably low profile. Compared to other Goa'uld, I suppose that did make him a bit 'lame', but he still needed to be taken care of.

Ptah
October 13th, 2004, 12:51 AM
I think it's a pity they had to kill Seth - he would have been interesting to keep around when Osiris comes in, given that Osiris will likely be very unhappy with him.

jckfan55
October 21st, 2004, 04:56 PM
Regarding the Jaffa joke...

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!



Tealc's laugh is what got me. I also love Sam's and Jack's reactions when Daniel tells them how they might be used in Seth's compound if they're captured.

LMichelle
October 22nd, 2004, 12:24 PM
Did anyone notice the pic of Daniel on a camel in his office? It looked like Spader's Daniel to me. They never showed it up close to make out any features, but it didn't look like MS to me. Ummm, maybe it's me, but shouldn't he have a picture of Sha're on his desk? :rolleyes:

It almost makes me want to go and search for Setesh on the Internet. :p

It's a good thing Selmak didn't resurface when the ATF guys were around. :eek: Sam gets her Dad plus a bonus person. ;)

I wished they had done more with Mark, too. He has to know about Jacob being a Tok'ra, doesn't he? Hammond once said civilians sign non-disclosure agreements, but why would civilians know about the SGC unless one of their family members became Tok'ra'ed or Goa'ulded? :p

Lisa Michelle

Major Fischer
October 22nd, 2004, 01:07 PM
I wished they had done more with Mark, too. He has to know about Jacob being a Tok'ra, doesn't he? Hammond once said civilians sign non-disclosure agreements, but why would civilians know about the SGC unless one of their family members became Tok'ra'ed or Goa'ulded? :p

I doubt they've told Mark either about Selmak or about what his sister does. Biggest secret in the country, he doesn't have a need to know. I doubt they told Sarah Gardner's family either.

aschen
October 22nd, 2004, 01:37 PM
Regarding the Jaffa joke... Tealc's laugh is what got me.

That Teal'c! What a commedian! :rolleyes:

LordAnubis
November 2nd, 2004, 10:07 AM
Can anyone explain why Seth ring transporters in his compound? Did he keep lugging them around with him since Ancient Egypt? How did he power them? Where did he get all of those zats? I mean, i can see hiding out for centuries in your hidden sarcophagus (kinda like Lestat), and even taking a new host, but to take all that tech with you? How?

Any ideas? :)

greytop
November 2nd, 2004, 10:16 AM
Can anyone explain why Seth ring transporters in his compound? Did he keep lugging them around with him since Ancient Egypt? How did he power them? Where did he get all of those zats? I mean, i can see hiding out for centuries in your hidden sarcophagus (kinda like Lestat), and even taking a new host, but to take all that tech with you? How?

Any ideas? :)
I don't have any ideas except its scifi :rolleyes:

But you point is good and I agree with it. How did he?

Zats, since they're kind of small, he could packed them away and transport to where he wanted. Then have his cult make more of them.

Mr Prophet
November 2nd, 2004, 11:15 AM
If you have a devoted enough cult you can transport pretty much anything anywhere, simply by main force.

Erik Pasternak
December 12th, 2004, 04:30 PM
Can anyone explain why Seth ring transporters in his compound? Did he keep lugging them around with him since Ancient Egypt? Maybe he just built some more.

Iskandra
December 18th, 2004, 03:01 AM
If you have a devoted enough cult you can transport pretty much anything anywhere, simply by main force.

Though I keep wondering what customs must have thought when he brought them into the country.....or do you mean....*he didn't tell them?* ;)

Mr Prophet
December 18th, 2004, 04:10 AM
Though I keep wondering what customs must have thought when he brought them into the country.....or do you mean....*he didn't tell them?* ;)
In the 19th century he'd have been fine.

Seth (Upper class accent): "What these? Plundered them from an Egyptian burial chamber, what."
Customs man: "Right you are, squire. Bob; help the gent load 'is wagon, would you."

Iskandra
December 19th, 2004, 08:59 AM
In the 19th century he'd have been fine.

Seth (Upper class accent): "What these? Plundered them from an Egyptian burial chamber, what."
Customs man: "Right you are, squire. Bob; help the gent load 'is wagon, would you."

hehehehe...:D
He was probably on first-name terms with Mr Budge....;)

Mr Prophet
December 19th, 2004, 11:02 AM
hehehehe...:D
He was probably on first-name terms with Mr Budge....;)Maybe he was Budge.

Hey! Maybe that's why Stukeley suddenly went mad and became a druid; he got Goa'ulded in one of his excavations!

Of course we all know why they keep printing Budge; it's free and the name still shifts copy.

Iskandra
December 19th, 2004, 11:28 AM
Maybe he was Budge.

Hey! Maybe that's why Stukeley suddenly went mad and became a druid; he got Goa'ulded in one of his excavations!

Of course we all know why they keep printing Budge; it's free and the name still shifts copy.

Yeah, thankee...I just snorted into my coffee :D

What an *interesting* theory.....but I never thought Budge was so good-looking...even I got some Budge at home...for private amusement. Or when I have Egyptologist friends over for tea :D

Mr Prophet
December 19th, 2004, 11:39 AM
Yeah, thankee...I just snorted into my coffee :D

What an *interesting* theory.....but I never thought Budge was so good-looking...even I got some Budge at home...for private amusement. Or when I have Egyptologist friends over for tea :D
I got a copy of his Book of the Dead when I was studying, but it was such drek I never really read it. I'd never realised the Egyptians were so...Judeo-Christian.

Iskandra
December 19th, 2004, 11:43 AM
I got a copy of his Book of the Dead when I was studying, but it was such drek I never really read it. I'd never realised the Egyptians were so...Judeo-Christian.
See? You were right with your conspiracy theory. If Seth was Budge, he had to write it like that ;) -Seth is a perfectly normal biblical Judeo-Christian name! :D

I got the Book of the Dead as well...Dover books are dirt cheap, and for a good laugh...;)

DelTrax1
December 23rd, 2004, 01:02 PM
I agree....and also it was nice to have my name as a Gou'ld.

Iskandra
December 25th, 2004, 09:35 AM
I agree....and also it was nice to have my name as a Gou'ld.
Your name ist Seth? Cool, it's one of my favourite names because it is also an Egyptian god!

Beatrice Otter
January 15th, 2005, 10:53 AM
I doubt they've told Mark either about Selmak or about what his sister does. Biggest secret in the country, he doesn't have a need to know. I doubt they told Sarah Gardner's family either.
Oh, yeah. Which makes one wonder what, exactly, they got told. And what their reaction would be if they ever found out the truth. I mean, it's not a small thing to find out that your dad is an alien, or that your daughter/sister was abducted by them.

I wrote a fic once about Mark's reaction. It's here (http://www.gateworld.net/fanfic/archive/26/almosthome.html) .

TheBlueDragon
January 18th, 2005, 01:36 PM
cool

Iskandra
January 18th, 2005, 02:59 PM
cool
You're a bit...monosyllabic, right? :D

kirmit
January 22nd, 2005, 05:17 AM
Has anyone got a picture or can just tell me what a setesh guard helmet looks like?

Chaka's_Mum
February 16th, 2005, 04:16 AM
Did anyone notice the pic of Daniel on a camel in his office? It looked like Spader's Daniel to me. They never showed it up close to make out any features, but it didn't look like MS to me. Ummm, maybe it's me, but shouldn't he have a picture of Sha're on his desk?

He does. It's just in front of, and to the right of, the Camel one and it's hidden for most of the scene because of where Daniel's sitting. I'm pretty sure it makes appearances in other eps as well where Daniel's desk is shown.


Has anyone got a picture or can just tell me what a setesh guard helmet looks like?

Alas, I don't think anyone's ever seen a Setesh Guard helmet. He got clobbered by the other system lords so long ago that I guess all the Setesh Guards were either killed off or incorporated into the ranks of other System Lords' Jaffa (and their offspring were subsequently tattooed with their marks instead). It's a shame, really. I'd love to know why their noses dripped. Maybe their food was too spicy or something.

Willow
March 7th, 2005, 10:47 AM
...he would have been interesting to keep around when Osiris comes in, given that Osiris will likely be very unhappy with him.
************

True and I reckon that would have made for some interesting episodes, but oh well :)

Evil Emperor Zurg
March 10th, 2005, 09:39 AM
Although I enjoyed this episode 2 things really bothered me about it
1. When the ex cult members where being transported through the rings why do they pull their hoods up? It just makes it easy for Seth to blend in with the crowd when he tries to escape!
2. When Jacob gets hurt by Seth Selmak tells Carter her father will be fine and he says that to a whole bunch of cult members in the background! Wouldn't any of them wondered why Jacob said that :S

Any way it was still a decent episode bring back Seth!

SmartFox
March 10th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Great ep. Loved when the president called and Teal'c's joke. Almost broke a rib from Teal'c's joke it self to his laugh to SG-1's faces. :D

Beatrice Otter
March 10th, 2005, 10:05 PM
Although I enjoyed this episode 2 things really bothered me about it
1. When the ex cult members where being transported through the rings why do they pull their hoods up? It just makes it easy for Seth to blend in with the crowd when he tries to escape!
2. When Jacob gets hurt by Seth Selmak tells Carter her father will be fine and he says that to a whole bunch of cult members in the background! Wouldn't any of them wondered why Jacob said that :S

Any way it was still a decent episode bring back Seth!
Well, they've already seen Seth's glowing eyes, flanged voice, and hand device. They don't know who her father is, and I'd bet you that most of them are way too confused at that point to be analyzing things. Plus, they've just been deprogrammed from a cult. I'd betcha most of the wierd/alien stuff is gonna get explained away as either faked by the cult leader to enhance his authority or the product of hallucinogenic drugs.

Mr Prophet
March 11th, 2005, 07:25 AM
2. When Jacob gets hurt by Seth Selmak tells Carter her father will be fine and he says that to a whole bunch of cult members in the background! Wouldn't any of them wondered why Jacob said that :S

Might not some of them wonder about going through a matter transporter? They can always tell them they were still high.

Anyway, what bothered me about this episode was the nishta. I just don't buy that a Goa'uld with several thousand years of practice needs a drug to make a bunch of vulnerable rubes do whatever he says.

Chaka's_Mum
March 21st, 2005, 10:45 PM
Anyway, what bothered me about this episode was the nishta. I just don't buy that a Goa'uld with several thousand years of practice needs a drug to make a bunch of vulnerable rubes do whatever he says.

I imagine he's probably been using it for as long as he's been in hiding. All Goa'uld seem to desire power and, while technological wizardry would have cowed ancient peoples, the use of it would have put him at risk of alerting the System Lords to his presence. Nishta would have got him a loyal, adoring following in moments for the cost of some form of distributing device - so it's a superbly convenient way to get his adoration fix without too much effort. Lets face it, he does rather seem to adore being adored! :D

I guess it's the old adage. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Mr Prophet
March 22nd, 2005, 08:38 AM
I imagine he's probably been using it for as long as he's been in hiding. All Goa'uld seem to desire power and, while technological wizardry would have cowed ancient peoples, the use of it would have put him at risk of alerting the System Lords to his presence. Nishta would have got him a loyal, adoring following in moments for the cost of some form of distributing device - so it's a superbly convenient way to get his adoration fix without too much effort. Lets face it, he does rather seem to adore being adored! :D

I guess it's the old adage. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I know, it's just...Well, it's not hard to find a cult in this day and age. I'm not saying Jerry Springer could rule the world if he tried, but I bet he could give the Scientologists a run for their money. Given the use of nishta, why wasn't Seth actually running his own country, or at least a major crime syndicate of some sort?

RubyRed
March 22nd, 2005, 09:51 PM
I like this episode it was great. I think that the cult members didn't notice Selmak talking was because they were confuse and they probably wanted to get out of there so bad that they didn't pay attention to anything but the way out. i love sam's genious. she's amazing i wouldn't have thougth of that. i think at the end sam felt bad because even thougth she killed people before she had to do it in battle and diddn't have much time to reflect what she had done but this time it was in cold blood he was right in front of her so i guess it made her think of the host.

Chaka's_Mum
March 22nd, 2005, 10:33 PM
i think at the end sam felt bad because even thougth she killed people before she had to do it in battle and diddn't have much time to reflect what she had done but this time it was in cold blood he was right in front of her so i guess it made her think of the host.

True - it's not nice to have to stand and look at the consquences of your actions, particularly if it's led to something so irrevocable as death. Though I don't think it was entirely in cold blood - Seth was clearly going to blast her before she 'fired' on him the second time.

I'm not at all surprised Sam looked so shaken afterwards. She can't control what she does with a hand device, so it's 'full blast' or nothing with her - not the nicest option available. Given the choice (pretty much like all of SG1), she would much rather have had him alive and handed him over to the Tok'ra - but she can't shield herself with the hand device, so it was either strike or be stricken.

After all, I don't believe for one moment that she actually wanted to blast Seth into the floor like that!

Just an interesting point of note - Sam was quick enough to blast Seth first, but Selmak wasn't! Now, was this just a plot contrivance, or do people think that there are still 'partnership working' issues being ironed out between Selmak and Jacob?

You could argue that, as Selmak and Jacob are still blending - and they're both pretty strong willed people - it's a bit like two people playing doubles at tennis for the first time. They're still trying to work out who does what. Maybe that got in the way?

fair_nymph
April 9th, 2005, 02:57 PM
Not a bad ep. I found the idea of a goa'uld lurking on earth for thousands of years intriguing. I did wonder about how he got all those weapons, the rings, etc though.

I love Jacob, so he was great as always, and it was a good ep for Sam too -- I liked watching her use the hand device. Evil Sam! :D

I liked the Jaffa joke but didn't really get it. I'd love to know why the setesh guard's nose drips.

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
April 9th, 2005, 03:53 PM
i absolutly loved it! an awsome episode!

Chaka's_Mum
April 11th, 2005, 04:57 AM
I love Jacob, so he was great as always.

He is a great character, isn't he? In fact, Jacob vies very closely indeed with Bra'tac for the role of 'Chaka's Mum's Favourite Recurring Character'.

I also thought that the sub-plot (Jacob's estrangement from his son) was woven in very neatly. Despite Selmak's urgings, there was no way that Jacob was going to build any bridges; it was only when he saw the regret of a father who has 'drifted apart' from his son - and now can't reach him - that he finally woke up to things and accepted that it was time to set the pride aside and make peace. Although that little device could have had the subtlety of a charging rhinoceros if they weren't careful, it actually worked very nicely indeed.

Plus it was really nice when both of the dads were reconciled with their sons.

I felt sorry for the ATF guy, though. Being put in your place by the President, no less. Major ouch.

Tal'Mak_Josh
April 20th, 2005, 03:30 PM
personally i didnt like this episode, not much happeneing n too boring. hmm

daniel and jack next to bomb, put bomb in circle, transpost bomb soewhere else, wherte have i seen that b4?

Chaka's_Mum
April 21st, 2005, 03:30 AM
Actually it was the other way round - see bomb, get to rings and transport out, but I get what you mean. ;)

Speaking for myself, the main thing I like about this episode is that we get to see a bit of Selmak here. I suppose he keeps in the background out of deference to Sam's feelings. After all, even as a Tok'ra, Jacob is the one that everyone at the base relates to, so Selmak takes a back seat.

They're also clearly still sorting out their relationship with one another. While Selmak was happy to accept Jacob as a host, there's still a lot of 'getting to know you' stuff going on here. Selmak knows that Jacob isn't happy about his estrangement from his son, and he's a bit narked that Jacob is also not happy about doing something about his estrangement from his son - or even admitting that he's not happy about it. It needs Selmak to spill that bit of info to Sam, and he's doing it in the hope that Sam can persuade Jacob to stop moping and just let bygones be bygones.

It's a bit like 'the Odd Couple', only it's all going on in Jacob's head!

Tal'Mak_Josh
April 21st, 2005, 10:58 AM
What 'rank' in the Tok'ra was Selmak when he was in the other host

jckfan55
April 21st, 2005, 04:35 PM
Speaking for myself, the main thing I like about this episode is that we get to see a bit of Selmak here. I suppose he keeps in the background out of deference to Sam's feelings. After all, even as a Tok'ra, Jacob is the one that everyone at the base relates to, so Selmak takes a back seat.

They're also clearly still sorting out their relationship with one another. While Selmak was happy to accept Jacob as a host, there's still a lot of 'getting to know you' stuff going on here. Selmak knows that Jacob isn't happy about his estrangement from his son, and he's a bit narked that Jacob is also not happy about doing something about his estrangement from his son - or even admitting that he's not happy about it. It needs Selmak to spill that bit of info to Sam, and he's doing it in the hope that Sam can persuade Jacob to stop moping and just let bygones be bygones.

It's a bit like 'the Odd Couple', only it's all going on in Jacob's head!
I liked that aspect too. I wish we had seen more of it. I just read Carmen Argenziano's interview & he seems to be of the same opinion.

Chaka's_Mum
April 21st, 2005, 10:52 PM
What 'rank' in the Tok'ra was Selmak when he was in the other host

I'm not sure, to be honest. There doesn't seem to be a specific 'rank' structure within the Tok'ra - at least not one that's immediately recognisable (I may be wrong - someone feel free to correct me if I am).

Certainly Selmak is one of the oldest, wisest and most esteemed of the Tok'ra (hence a place on the High Council), and I recall thinking at the time Selmak and Jacob met that it was a really neat coincidence that the Tok'ra needed a host for their most important symbiote at just the time Jacob needed a life-saving cure!

Despite being in a new host (and an ignorant Tauri one, at that) Selmak still clearly occupies a place of some importance with the Tok'ra. When he comes back for the Seth-hunt, it's clear he's aware of everything that's happening in Tok'ra-town. It's likely, given the nature of their lives, that Tok'ra operate entirely on a 'need to know' basis, so that in itself indicates that he's moving in pretty high circles.

greytop
April 21st, 2005, 11:12 PM
What 'rank' in the Tok'ra was Selmak when he was in the other hostIt seemed to me the only rank that the Tok'ra has is the high council of the Tok'ra.

Chaka's_Mum
April 22nd, 2005, 03:59 AM
True. It's 'The High Council' and 'All the other Tok'ra'. Nothing in between.

Mind you, given how few of them there are (comparitively speaking), and how many of them are off-world at any one time, that's probably the best way they have for deciding on operations/policies/whatever. Then, you don't have to worry about what happens if the Councillor and his/her second in command get killed at the same time. Everyone's eligible to take their place, not just one. They lead a precarious existence so I guess they can't afford to get strung up with a heirarchy.

RubyRed
April 22nd, 2005, 09:32 PM
it always seems that Selmak knows what sam is feeling before jacob does. am i right.

Beatrice Otter
April 22nd, 2005, 09:48 PM
it always seems that Selmak knows what sam is feeling before jacob does. am i right.
Well, Jacob's a gruff, smartass old military guy who's never been particularly close to either of his kids that we can see; he certainly hasn't been for the last few decades. So it isn't surprising that he's not always up on what Sam's thinking. Selmak, on the other hand, is a lot older, wiser, and less rigid.

QuiGonJohn
April 26th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Can anyone explain why Seth ring transporters in his compound? Did he keep lugging them around with him since Ancient Egypt? How did he power them? Where did he get all of those zats? I mean, i can see hiding out for centuries in your hidden sarcophagus (kinda like Lestat), and even taking a new host, but to take all that tech with you? How?

Any ideas? :)

I agree. And it can't be like Mr. Prohpet said, "If you have a devoted enough cult you can transport pretty much anything anywhere, simply by main force." Because at least one time all his followers were dead and they didn't find his body. So how did he transport all his tech gear?

Chaka's_Mum
April 26th, 2005, 11:02 PM
Perhaps he had his previous followers hide it all, and then came back for it later with new followers?

Given how suggestible they all become when they get infected with nish'ta, it's possible that even people in the earliest of times would be prepared to handle the most advanced (to them) technology around and not bat an eyelid.

It's also possible that, as Seth hasn't been prominent enough to be noticeable to the Net Historian community since the 1700s, he could well have been transferring operations to the New World for the rest of the 18th (and into the 19th) Centuries. We're talking about a time when customs laws were much weaker, and far harder to enforce, than they are today. If Seth was also exporting his technology in dribs and drabs, it would have been nearly impossible to intercept - and it's quite possible that a few backhanders could have temporarily blinded any nosy official (or two/three Zat blasts, of course).

After all, he's got all the time in the world - if his host is too weak to go on, he merely takes another - so he can afford to go slowly. He needs to stay hidden, but he also needs that adulation he gets from his followers, but 'good' things come to those who wait.

I suppose the episode gives the impression that he's just moved into his current compound. However, it's quite possible that he'd been there for a few years (having a few followers build the ring-room and escape tunnel) before attracting the attention of the authorities to the extent that Daniel was able to track him down on a Government website.

Just my thoughts, of course.

zats
July 13th, 2005, 03:46 PM
Have I shredded this one yet? Don't think so...

What was good:
a. Basic plot. Okay, so it didn't work as well as it could've, but it was still a good idea.
b. Location. I like seeing the Pacific NW. Oh well.
c. The bit where Sam gets Seth with the ribbon device. Partial redemption of this ep.
d. Probably lots else, but I haven't seen it in a while... :rollseyes:

What wasn't good:
a. How it turned out. As I said in the above (a), it was a good idea, but it just didn't work believably. Seth's 'throne' looked like it'd been made for an amature theatre production, not a TV show (there is, in fact, a subtle difference). I would expect Seth to have a few more followers--ye whole 'Seth is life!!' deal would have been a bit more intimidating/serious if there had been more people shouting. And why did all the followers put their hoods up when they left the tunnel? [Sincere apologies if these have already been addressed.]

Again...there was likely a lot more that was good ('cause I know I sound incessantly negative), but I haven't seen this for a year or so...

KorbenDirewolf
July 13th, 2005, 03:52 PM
I think the hoods went up so Setesh could hide.. Just a plot device, I think.

Chaka's_Mum
July 25th, 2005, 11:05 PM
True. I suppose you could argue that Seth required his minions to cover their heads if they leave the compound and go into the 'outside world'; but the term 'plot device' seems to be the most appropriate at the end of the day. :)

Perriman33
August 6th, 2005, 11:38 PM
I thought the idea behind this episode was great, seth hiding amongst us through the ages. But the actual filming seemed a bit lame his guards and weaponry outside seemed a bit OTT. And I doubt he would need a mind control gas to keep those students to do his bidding. And none of them was older you would think he'd keep them until they were too old to be his slaves!
And his throne was laughable which is a shame as I liked Seth as a character, I think he was wasted being killed like that. Maybe they had budget issues at this point but I think this ep could have been a bit better. :)

zats
August 7th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Good idea for an ep but it didn't work out well.

Chaka's_Mum
August 7th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Two things in its favour, though:

:D - Jacob Carter. No matter how lumpen an episode, he always lifts it, partcularly when he locks horns with Jack.

:D - The 'Joke'. Poor Teal'c. It's the way he tells 'em... ;)

Ascendant
August 28th, 2005, 02:04 PM
I thought the idea behind this episode was great, seth hiding amongst us through the ages. But the actual filming seemed a bit lame his guards and weaponry outside seemed a bit OTT. And I doubt he would need a mind control gas to keep those students to do his bidding. (...)I liked Seth as a character, I think he was wasted being killed like that.

I'd agree. I love the concept, but there were a couple of hitches in execution. The nish'ta and method of "deprogramming" always seemed like kind of an emotional cop-out...I felt a little cheated when they just had to Zat-zap the kids in the cult to make them all better. Kind of like the end of "Family". It seems like the Goa'uld would be a lot more interesting and intimidating if they were able to inspire that kind of religious zeal without resorting to mind-control gas.

It did, however, allow SG-1 to get mind-frelled and absorbed into the cult. Sam's expression of pure adoration in itself is enough to make the "bleh" plot device worth it.

But it really is too bad that they killed Seth. He was SO cool. I love the idea of an ancient Egyptian god that's been on earth this whole time...the guy probably drives a Porsche and carries a cell phone. Plus it really helps to give a perspective on how ancient the Goa'uld really are. You kinda have a tendency to forget when there's no frame of reference.

Oh, and did anyone else notice that the nish'ta came out of the noses of the setesh heads on either side of Seth's throne? I thought that was funny. "The Setesh guard's nose drips."

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 02:54 AM
idea = good
acting = good
casting of seth = poor

I think its just me but this guy just didnt carry off the whole Goa'uld thing for me!

Metarock Sam
September 9th, 2005, 10:22 AM
I jkust decided to say how great this ep is and even though the part when they said teal'c and Jacob would stay cos they could be sensed by a gould and had previously forgotten in the episode beforehand 'into the fire' that a Gou'ald can sense if a person has been blended or not.
There was great moments and the Jaffa Joke is an all time classic not just because of the joke but the look on Teal'cs face when he laughs for if im correct the first and one of the only times in the series could paint 1000 words.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 07:20 PM
I thought it was a pretty good episode......but it stinks that the writers repeated the idea with "Ex Deus Machina"

plaw15
October 7th, 2005, 03:16 PM
This was one of my favorite episodes. It was the fastest they have killed a goa'uld and it was cool to see carter use the hand device.

Chaka's_Mum
November 29th, 2005, 11:10 PM
I thought it was a pretty good episode......but it stinks that the writers repeated the idea with "Ex Deus Machina"

I suppose I'd say 'yes and no' when it comes to that. Yes, the basic premise is repeated, but I found it sufficiently different to be a fresh approach to the concept.


it was cool to see carter use the hand device.

Yes, it was - wasn't it?:D I'm not sure Sam would agree with us, though (at least, not if her expression after she killed Seth was anything to go by)!

rac76
December 30th, 2005, 07:01 PM
I enjoyed watching it. I thought it was funny when Jack and Jacob kept telling the atf guy that its classified. I just thought that was funny. I also smiled when Teal'c was telling his joke..I felt sad when no one at least gave him a 'good try' smile or something. I would have if I was there!

I enjoyed the background story with the Carter Family..kind of wish they played more into it. I would like to have seen more interaction with Mark and Sam.

The whole time I was watching Seth, I kept thinking on how similar his looks are compare to B'aal. I guess its the dark hair, dark eyes kind of thing. Overall the episode was good..not an "A+" but not a "F", so somewhere around a "C"...

UberGnome
January 18th, 2006, 01:14 PM
I thought it was a pretty good episode, but the one main problem I had was Seth's energy barrier. Didn't Teal'c say he didn't even know of them, as they had been invented after he left Apophis' guard? If so, how'd Seth get a hold of one ...?

Thor of The Asgard
January 19th, 2006, 07:39 AM
i liked the episode...seth was one hack of a goa'uld...to stay alive so much time...to form a cult...

lol! "the bliss that is seth"!!!!!!!!
more like "the snake that is seth"!!!

Myztic
January 19th, 2006, 11:31 PM
This was not a bad ep i must say, i mean Seth was hiding amonst earth all along and no one knew about it, not bad work if i say so ma self.

Albion
January 20th, 2006, 01:34 AM
This isn't one of my favourite ever episodes, but I don't think it's that bad and I usually enjoy it. I just love the reactions of Sam and Jack when Daniel starts explaining (somewhat belatedly!) what Seth's likely to do with them when they get caught. And Jack's "So help me, if I wake up and I'm singing soprano..." just makes me ROTFLMAO every single time I hear it.

It has some great character moments and some wonderful humour. I love the ATF guy, although I have to admit the fact that they used the same actor later in Heroes kind of gets in the way when I watch him in this now. Like double vision or something. <g>

The episode has some irksome plot glitches, some of which have already been pointed out. The fact that it never occurred to anyone that the naquadah in Sam would be picked up by Seth. Especially when this was the whole reason Teal'c and Jacob couldn't go on the mission. You'd have thought someone would have gone, "Oh, wait, hang on a minute..." :rolleyes:

And the one that always niggles at me every time I watch this one is that what Sam tells Jacob in the elevator directly contradicts what she told Jack (or Jack's crystal clone) in Cold Lazarus:


CARTER: "Nice...you have a family."

DUPLICATE O'NEILL: "Yes."

CARTER: "I'm an auntie myself. My brother moved to San Diego, so I don't get to see him much...he has two kids now, boy and a girl. God, I miss 'em like hell...don't get there near enough."

Which clearly indicates that Sam has a relationship with Mark and his kids, and visits them - though not as often as she'd like to. But then in Seth:


CARTER: Dad. I have a number for Mark in San Diego.

JACOB: So?

CARTER: I just thought you might wanna know.

JACOB: When was the last time you saw him?

CARTER: I haven't seen him since either of his kids were born. I guess he paints me with the same brush he does you.

So Sam has never seen Mark's kids and obviously is estranged from her brother, so hasn't visited since they were born.

That always bugs me. <g>

And there's a moment (can't remember where exactly) back at base camp, where the father of Seth's follower comes into the tent and Selmak is talking to Teal'c in his Goa'uld voice, where it would seem impossible that the guy couldn't have overheard. But he seems oblivious to the fact that this old guy is talking in a funny voice.

But these nitpicks aside, I've never found Seth to be the dire episode that I hear most of the fandom does (and certainly TPTB seem to think it is judging by Citizen Joe. :D ). It has some great moments in it, the plot is pretty good, I enjoy the actor who plays Seth and, of course, it has Jacob in it. How can you not enjoy an episode that has Jacob in it.


I'm not at all surprised Sam looked so shaken afterwards.

Nor me! It's one thing to kill on the battlefield, quite another to realise that you have a strange power inside you that means you can kill a man by focusing your thoughts (in conjunction with Goa'uld technology). When Sam's killing Jaffa with her gun she understands the weapon, knows how to control it, what it's capable of. But this...this she has no idea how powerful it is, could it get out of control, might she accidentally hurt her friends with it? You can see the same reaction from her when she uses the weapon on Cimmeria. Shock, and not a little bit of fear and revulsion that she has something inside her that's part Goa'uld and unknown. That's scary. For anyone.

The other thing about this one is that I've heard that some fans were rather miffed with Jack's 'flippant' 'Hail, Dorothy!' remark. I think their reasoning was because Sam was obviously clearly shaken by what she'd just done and they wanted Jack to be more sympathetic instead of cracking lame jokes. But I always saw it differently. It always seemed to me that Jack saw exactly how shaken Sam was and was simply trying to lighten the atmosphere with a joke, just as he always does. He's always used humour in that way and so it never strikes me as OOC or Jack being particularly insensitive. Quite the opposite. He's noticed she's upset and is taking time to try and let her know it's okay.

Albion :)

Thor of The Asgard
January 20th, 2006, 06:53 AM
This was not a bad ep i must say, i mean Seth was hiding amonst earth all along and no one knew about it, not bad work if i say so ma self.

yes...exactly what im saying...he escaped what his brother osiris did not...

captain jake
May 20th, 2006, 09:47 AM
Great mission, I loved the roles seth played throughout history. Wasn't very hard to kill though.

Chaka's_Mum
May 25th, 2006, 10:43 PM
I reckon he'd been on Earth too long. They say familiarity breeds contempt (as it certainly would in a Goa'uld) - and that went and bit Seth on the butt big time once he'd been properly rumbled.

Serves him right for believing his own hype, really. ;) :D

captain jake
May 26th, 2006, 02:51 AM
So you believe he became basicaly useless in the duration of his time spent on earth?

Interesting probably that case.

harsiesis child
May 26th, 2006, 03:36 AM
I liked this ep. In Joe, there is a reference to negative comments of fan, but I don't understand it. I cannot see any reason to dislike it ;)

Chaka's_Mum
May 26th, 2006, 04:27 AM
So you believe he became basicaly useless in the duration of his time spent on earth?

Interesting probably that case.

I wouldn't say useless - at least not in that sense; I would prefer the word 'complacent'. He's clearly been a right royal pain in the rear for centuries on a purely human scale - after all, he's stranded here so he's got no access to ships and no Jaffa (not even ones whose noses drip - to quote Teal'c) and that hasn't stopped him raising bands of followers who he then eliminates without so much as a second thought when it suits him.

What I'm getting at (albeit in a somewhat facetious manner - I was taking the doodah a bit with my comment:) ) is that he's been stuck here amongst people who are technologically and knowledgeably far inferior to himself and he's got cheerfully over comfortable with that. After such a long time in galactic obscurity, he's not likely to be anticipating any visits from another System Lord, so the only threat he's facing is the Tauri - and they don't know what he is or what he's capable of (apart from killing all his followers and disappearing a lot).

He's never had to go beyond this expedient Plan B before because no one's ever approached him knowing he's a Goa'uld, or had the requisite knowledge to deal with him. SG-1 are coming in with that requisite knowledge, and with a Tok'ra and Jaffa on the outside to back them up. Seth really does need a Plan C for this kind of scenario - but he's so used to not worrying about a level playing field that he clearly hasn't got around to devising one.

Admittedly, by the end, both sides are improvising like mad to achieve their respective goals (Seth to do a runner, SG-1 to stop Seth doing a runner), but I think we can all agree that SG-1 have quite a bit more practice at that sort of thing.;)

Seth is therefore a victim of his own hype (and Sam with a hand device, of course...).

captain jake
May 27th, 2006, 11:36 AM
Ok so it was more seths being unprepared then sg-1 being talented?

Sorry if I am taking your words out of context.

Chaka's_Mum
June 7th, 2006, 11:22 PM
Nah - I'm probably rambling a bit. I do tend to do that from time to time. I don't think it's more one than the other - I think it's the perfect combination of both.

Seth simply isn't ready for SG-1 - they, on the other hand, are ready for him.

That's what tips the balance in their favour. Seth isn't a pushover - after all; he kept his head when all around him were losing theirs (to mis-quote Kipling) and it's quite possible he could have got away amongst the fleeing disciples if Selmak hadn't been present and spotted him. The necessary foreknowledge of what they were likely to face, and preparedness for it, was SG-1's strongest weapon; and they had the skill to use that advantage to the full.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 09:21 PM
i liked how seth and sam had a ribbon device war i thought that was a great part then how you see seth dead but throwen into the ground that was just funny

Spacegirlnz
August 11th, 2006, 04:16 PM
I shall attempt to translate one: A Serpent Guard, a Horus Guard and a Setesh Guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent Guard's eyes glow. The Horus Guard's beak glistens. The Setesh Guard's nose drips.
Hehe, I laughed so hard when I heard this joke, just because it was so lame. But I love it. :tealc: :tecmate:

I'm watching this episode at the moment. It's quite a cool episode.


I really like this episode for the Carter family interaction and that includes the bits between Jacob and Selmak. We get a brief glimpse of the dynamic between host and symbiote.
I agree, it's so interesting seeing the they interact with themselves, and with Sam.

This is one of my favourite episodes :)

Chaka's_Mum
August 13th, 2006, 10:24 PM
Hehe, I laughed so hard when I heard this joke, just because it was so lame. But I love it. :tealc: :tecmate:


Bizarrely, I laughed because I thought it was funny. Still don't know why - 'cos it is indeed very lame. Of course the best bit was the reaction from the rest of the team, like the panel used to do in 'Shooting Stars' when Vic told a joke. All that was missing was the whistling wind and the tumbleweeds.

(Obscure British Comedy Quiz reference. Apologies to any non-Brits who've never heard of it and are thinking 'What's she on about now? ;) )

Mr Prophet
August 14th, 2006, 01:50 AM
(Obscure British Comedy Quiz reference. Apologies to any non-Brits who've never heard of it and are thinking 'What's she on about now? ;) )

Oo-va-vu.

Chaka's_Mum
August 14th, 2006, 10:23 PM
Oo-va-vu.

Er-ah-nu

'Ang on a mo - weren't they the other way round?:S ;)

scifi_girl
August 15th, 2006, 01:06 PM
i enjoyed the ep. i thought it was a good idea with seth being on earth, and all the bits about his history and stuff. also always nice to see jacob. i think the is good with sam using the goauld technology.

chaka's mum- i use to watch shooting stars- v.funny

Chaka's_Mum
August 15th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Just a weird bit of topic drift, there!

Sam was pretty astounding with that hand device - though I think we all agree it was a bit startling that they all forgot she was vulnerable to Seth picking up on her naquadah 'signal'. Even Jacob and Teal'c didn't mention it - despite knowing that he'd spot Selmak and Junior in less time than it takes to say 'I have - or used to have - a symbiote somewhere about my person'.

It has to be said that there are a few nagging bits and bobs like that in the episode, but I still enjoy it - and it's got Jacob in it ; so I don't care! :D :P

SamO'Neill
September 10th, 2006, 01:36 PM
Just a weird bit of topic drift, there!

Sam was pretty astounding with that hand device - though I think we all agree it was a bit startling that they all forgot she was vulnerable to Seth picking up on her naquadah 'signal'. Even Jacob and Teal'c didn't mention it - despite knowing that he'd spot Selmak and Junior in less time than it takes to say 'I have - or used to have - a symbiote somewhere about my person'.

It has to be said that there are a few nagging bits and bobs like that in the episode, but I still enjoy it - and it's got Jacob in it ; so I don't care! :D :P

Sam with the hand device was pretty amazing. She hadn't used it since Thor's Chariot, correct?

Descent
September 25th, 2006, 06:40 AM
Sam with the hand device was pretty amazing. She hadn't used it since Thor's Chariot, correct?

Yep...and I don't think she used it after this episode? Right?

I actually didn't like this episode very much. Its one of the early episodes Brad wished they never had done. And the costume design for this episode...bleh. :(

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 19th, 2007, 12:53 PM
I am getting well and truly addicted to Stargate now! This entire episode was worth it just for Teal'c's joke - and the look on his comrade's faces when he told it. I loved the way mythology was tied into the story.

I did feel a bit sorry for the ATS guy though, he was only trying to do his job. But the exchanges between him, Jack and Jacob, plus the call from the President, were very funny.

It's always good to see Jacob and his evolving relationship with Selmek.

Chaka's_Mum
April 19th, 2007, 10:38 PM
I found the joke quite funny, myself; in a 'slightly emphatic exhalation of breath through the nose in mild amusement' kind of way.

It's the way he tells 'em.

Thinking back - no I don't think Sam ever used the hand device again. I'm not surprised, though. She said from the outset that she couldn't control it - and proved it by, quite literally, impacting Seth into a stone floor. Besides, given what else it can do, I suspect she'd rather not even touch it ever again.

Even though Brad regrets doing this one, I enjoyed it. Okay the moral of the story is laid on with a trowel, but it's got Jacob and Selmak in it.

I am, it seems, easily pleased.

garhkal
April 20th, 2007, 08:50 AM
Thoough i still would love to know where he got the rings from, since he has supposedly been exiled here.

Chaka's_Mum
April 21st, 2007, 10:52 AM
Chances are that he's had them all along - given that his followers consider him a God, advanced technology is going to just be another manifestation of his divinity to them, so they'll cart it and all the requisite power-generating stuff wherever he requires it. Even if that means across the Atlantic.

Of course, the alternative is that it's a plot hole!:D

First
June 19th, 2007, 06:50 PM
I don't really understand the bad rep that this episode got. I enjoyed this episode. Yeah, Seth seemed very complacent in his environment and ill prepared for an assault from an enemy who understands him. But I liked the bit where he could tell that SG1 were lying to him face to face. That was a powerful moment that made him a bit more intimidating.

I previously thought the hand device was a bit lame, they only seem to knock people over with no serious damage, and especially considering it's a gou'alds weapon of choice. But not any more after seeing Seth pummeled one foot deep into the ground (and presumably breaking every bone in his body!) They pack serious power! And the fact that only a gou'ald or ex host can make it work would only make him seem more god-like to his followers.

Chaka's_Mum
June 20th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Oh, I most certainly agree. The ep has its flaws - such as the failure to remember that Sam had, at one time, been joined with a symbiote, which Seth would have picked up on - and (as I've mentioned) the 'moral' of the story is laid on a bit thickly. But I still find it an enjoyable romp - largely because Jacob's back.

I've mentioned in more detail what my view is on Seth's complacency, so I won't repeat it again. Suffice to say that he got too used to having it easy with the Tauri and paid the price for it because they'd finally rumbled him as a Goa'uld.

Oh, and did I mention that Jacob came back?:p

Team SG-1*save the show*
June 21st, 2007, 02:27 AM
Yeah, i thought that too when i watched this one. Seth would have picked up that Carter had been a host to a symbiote :S

i did like this episode though!!!!

And yes Chakas_mum you did mention jacob was back! :);)

Chaka's_Mum
June 21st, 2007, 03:15 AM
That's a relief!;)

garhkal
June 21st, 2007, 12:52 PM
I wonder how all those zats and such the 'faithful' had used was going to get explained away?? You gotta feel one of them at least would try to sell their story to the press.

Harlan's Speechwriter
June 22nd, 2007, 12:27 AM
I think this episode is also good because it brings things 'closer to home'. Most of the time, the Goa'uld are lgiht years away, now, here is one on Earth, who's been undetected for many years. How many more could there be?

AGateFan
June 22nd, 2007, 12:56 AM
Um I thought Seth did catch on that Carter had once bore host to a symbiote and that is why he knew they were lying. I will have to watch it again but I am almost sure that is what clued him in. He may not have stated it verbally but I think it was only after Carter came up to him that he started asking if they worked for the Goa'uld or the Tokra. Notice he didnt think they were just human government types. I will try to watch it this weekend to see if I just added stuff subconciously.

OK I looked up the script because I am impatient. He did think they were military at first as he said
SETH
Say goodbye to your impure military
past. We're always happy to welcome
new disciples to the bliss that only
Seth can bestow.

And Carter was actually in front of him before he brought in O'Neill and Daniel.
But he did eventually notice she was blended (see the script exerpt below) it just took him a little while. Possibly for the same reason she has trouble using goa'uld devices, she just wasnt blended that long and it was with a Tokra so maybe the essences is a bit on the lighter side.


Seth's compound


Jack and Daniel are brought before Seth where Sam already is.

Seth approves them and they go to clean some weapons.

SETH
With these weapons I have provided we
will defend against any incursion by
the impure forces outside our gate.
Let no other gods draw you away from
Seth.

ALL
Seth is life. Seth is happiness. Seth
is almighty.

SETH: Again!
ALL
Seth is life. Seth is happiness. Seth
is almighty,

SETH :Again!
ALL
Seth is life. Seth is happiness. Seth
is almighty.

Seth grabs Sam.

SETH
You were once blended. Were you not?!

CARTER
Blended?

SETH
No entry marks. But still..I sense a
trace. Bring me those who came with
her!

http://www.imsdb.com/transcripts/Stargate-SG1-Seth.html

Chaka's_Mum
June 22nd, 2007, 06:40 AM
Yes - he did; but the bone of contention surrounding that point is the fact that no one considered such a possibility in the event of the team being captured. They were prepared to be captured, certainly, with the little earpieces ready to break the hold of the nishta - but if Seth could sense that Sam had once been joined with Jolinar, surely Selmak could have? It's just that, Jacob and Teal'c had to stay behind because of Selmak and Junior, so why didn't anyone consider the possibility that the remains of Jolinar might spark attention if Sam went along?

It's just a little niggle that needs a bit of explaining away. You could suggest, for example, that Selmak, being surrounded by joined beings all the time, missed the signal sent out by the protein marker, while Seth, who isn't surrounded by joined beings any more, picked up on it at once. A bit like being in a room with an air freshener - you get used to the smell and eventually cease to smell it, but someone comes into the room and immediately notices it.

Alternatively, it's just a convenient oversight to move the plot along.;)

AGateFan
June 22nd, 2007, 10:52 AM
Ok, gottcha. Yeah seems like there were a couple of eps where teal'c missed the ball on this one too. It may be tied with the power of the zat as the most "variable as necessary" plot items.

First
June 24th, 2007, 06:54 PM
It may be tied with the power of the zat as the most "variable as necessary" plot items.
Yes, is one shot meant to stun/knock unconscious/inflict pain?

When Jack, Sam & Daniel, each with a zat in each hand fired on the group of Seth's cult followers I'm surprised none of them got hit twice. Could've been "oops, sorry".......

Chaka's_Mum
June 25th, 2007, 04:04 AM
Ok, gottcha. Yeah seems like there were a couple of eps where teal'c missed the ball on this one too. It may be tied with the power of the zat as the most "variable as necessary" plot items.

I think it took a bit of time before they finally settled on the 'Teal'c can sense other symbiotes' thing. TBH, I can't remember if it had been established that Teal'c could sense another symbiote at the time this ep aired. However, it wasn't something he arrived with - it sort of 'appeared' as time went on.

If you were looking for an 'explanation' for the variability of zats, I suppose you could claim that the effectiveness of zat-fire is dependent on how many times in the past the target has been on the receiving end of a zat-blast - though it does seem a bit odd that zats only incapacitate the people they need to incapacitate, doesn't it?;)

Harlan's Speechwriter
June 25th, 2007, 09:15 PM
If you were looking for an 'explanation' for the variability of zats, I suppose you could claim that the effectiveness of zat-fire is dependent on how many times in the past the target has been on the receiving end of a zat-blast - though it does seem a bit odd that zats only incapacitate the people they need to incapacitate, doesn't it?;)

I've been wondering about that. How long do the effects of a zat blast last? (I'm a poet and I didn't know it...;)) If someone is hit by a zat, if they are hit again, say, a few months later, will the second blast still kill them?

If that's the case, I'm amazed that there aren't more fatalities when SG1 and the Goau'ld go in all zats blazing.

Chaka's_Mum
June 25th, 2007, 10:57 PM
TBH, I'm not that sure how zats work - I think it has something to do with disturbing the body's electrical field. It stuns at the first go - but a second shot before the field returns to normal disrupts it so completely that the person can't survive it. I assume that the third disrupts right down to the cellular level - hence the disintegration of whatever gets hit.

Given a couple of hours (maybe more, maybe less), the electrical field returns to normal and the next zat blast will just stun them again - though perhaps less effectively than before.

Given that very few of the youngsters in the compound would have been hit by a zat, I suppose it would drop 'em like a stone!

First
June 25th, 2007, 11:02 PM
In the episode where SG1 encountered the glowing energy "flies", Jack was zatted so it altered his body's electrical field so the flies wouldn't attack him. After a few minutes the flies started to attack him, the effect had worn off, Teal'c zatted him again and he didn't die. Strangely he was not knocked unconscious on both occasions!

Chaka's_Mum
June 26th, 2007, 03:13 AM
Pardon my putting this in spoiler tags, but I can think of at least one person contributing to this discussion who hasn't seen 'Prodigy'.

That's true - I should revise my estimate!

The only thing we don't know is how long it actually took Jack to get to the gate - it could have been quite some distance away, as there is no guarantee that a suitable site for an encampment will be on its doorstep. Obviously, I'm not suggesting they were an hour's hike away - but it could be anything from five to twenty minutes. Give or take.

Didn't Teal'c zat the swarm, rather than Jack? I'm fairly sure he did. Mind you, the number of times Jack's been zatted, I suspect he'll be completely immune before long!

Harlan's Speechwriter
June 26th, 2007, 01:24 PM
TBH, I'm not that sure how zats work - I think it has something to do with disturbing the body's electrical field. It stuns at the first go - but a second shot before the field returns to normal disrupts it so completely that the person can't survive it. I assume that the third disrupts right down to the cellular level - hence the disintegration of whatever gets hit.

Given a couple of hours (maybe more, maybe less), the electrical field returns to normal and the next zat blast will just stun them again - though perhaps less effectively than before.

Given that very few of the youngsters in the compound would have been hit by a zat, I suppose it would drop 'em like a stone!

I thought that the Zats delivered some kind of strong electrical shock; the reactions of those 'Zatted' seemed symptomatic of it, but I'm no expert.

Based upon this and the sugestion above, it seems that, if all of the SG teams were given a controlled 'Zat blast', they could, perhaps, develop some level of tolerance to the weapon. It'd be a risky move though, as different people would probably have different tolerance levels.

First
June 26th, 2007, 08:03 PM
When zats were first introduced it was mentioned that they are designed to be extremely painful. The first jaffa we ever saw zatted, it appeared to be more about the pain (like he was electrocuted) and less about the unconsciousness. But has since become more of a stun weapon than a pain weapon.

Theimmortaljedi
August 24th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Is this the same guy I see in pictures with the goattee called baal?

garhkal
August 25th, 2007, 09:44 PM
Nope. Different actor.

Theimmortaljedi
August 30th, 2007, 06:50 AM
THanks. I thought they looked alike but wasn't sure.

Crichiel
January 20th, 2008, 11:35 AM
This one isn't a favourite of mine, but I would give it maybe a B-. Some neat ideas and I always love to see Jacob. Didn't care for Seth at all, and I wasn't impressed with the sets. But it did have some great gags in it, and no one mentioned my favourite: when Carter tests out the ear pieces and zaps Jack and Daniel! I love their reactions and always rewind it two or three times and then give an evil little chuckle.:D

Ozzy O'NeiLL
January 20th, 2008, 06:17 PM
In the episode where SG1 encountered the glowing energy "flies", Jack was zatted so it altered his body's electrical field so the flies wouldn't attack him. After a few minutes the flies started to attack him, the effect had worn off, Teal'c zatted him again and he didn't die. Strangely he was not knocked unconscious on both occasions!

You'll find that Jack and Chuck are closely related ^^


The concept of a Goa'uld still hiding among earth's people was pretty good of course. A classic ep, though not necessarily one of my favorites.

garhkal
January 27th, 2008, 06:49 AM
The concept of a Goa'uld still hiding among earth's people was pretty good of course. A classic ep, though not necessarily one of my favorites.

Which makes me wonder why no others (other than Ba'al) Tried it..

Mr Prophet
January 27th, 2008, 09:04 AM
Which makes me wonder why no others (other than Ba'al) Tried it..

The Goa'uld aren't really good at 'undercover'. If you had two of them setting up their cults, they'd end up fighting and attracting too much attention.

HelloVelo
June 21st, 2008, 05:54 PM
I think Seth failed Goa'uld school. Even his outfit was lame.

Rating: 8/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/seth.html

captain jake
June 29th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Goa'uld Hunts are always fun, I didn't really like this whole chemical mind control thing but it's easy enough to get around. I really wish it would have come down to a Goa'uld verses Tok'ra fight to the death. After all it was the Tok'ra who were looking for him, wouldn't it have been cool to see Selmak kill Seth. It was awesome to see Sam use the hand device again, but I wonder why she was able kill Seth so easily. After all he is an ancient Goa'uld, you would think he would have a few more tricks up his sleeves.


Which makes me wonder why no others (other than Ba'al) Tried it..

Well actually there have been quite a few Goa'uld's who have taken Sanctuary on earth. First we see Hathor, then we find Seth, after which Osiris takes Sara as his host, and finally you have to remember not only Ba'al but a large infiltration into the Trust and NID. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see another Goa'uld floating around Earth somewhere.

L E E
July 8th, 2008, 04:07 AM
Goa'uld Hunts are always fun, I didn't really like this whole chemical mind control thing but it's easy enough to get around.

This is mainly what I liked about this episode. I wasn't really interested in Jacob's family issues or the cult. I like infiltration missions like this, whether is offworld or not. Love seeing all that military stuff. I like when Jack shows his special ops skills, like spotting their watchers or making those hand signals.:jack_new_anime18:

The thing they used to make a hole on the fence is cool. What's that?

Seth is a pathetic villain. The cult theme is also not interesting for me.

Why did Daniel need to be involved in the infiltration? Is it because they need a translator in case they meet Seth?:confused:

How come Hathor knew that the stargate was open but Seth didn't? Or does Seth just prefer to stay in hiding in Earth?:confused:

pritnep
August 14th, 2008, 06:14 AM
Got to admit I watched this a few hours ago and didn't get a chance to comment on it. I usually like to comment straight after I watch the episode so it's fresh in my mind.

Like others I quiet liked the earth style black ops component of this episode. L E E, I'm not sure what it's called but they use it to burn locks and such.

Daniel is part of SG1 they are a team and since function as one, being on missions together they know each other strengths and weaknesses and since can react accordingly. I think throughout the past 2 seasons we have seen Daniel Jackson change from just the civilian Geek into a formidable warrior in the fight against the Goa'uld.

It was funny to see Teal'c so perplexed on how humans love their children, to him it seemed so simple and right but to us things get complicated. Good to see Jacob bite the bullet so to speak and saw his son, grand kids and Sam as well. Even though she only mentioned the nieces and nephews back in season 1 we didn't really know why she hadn't seen him at the time I thought it was because of her job but I guess her siding with her Dad didn't help.

Interesting to see Hathor wasn't the only one with mind control pheromones. Hopefully there was enough left in the devices/house for scientists to study up on it and work out defence that can be used permanently rather then just a Zat blast to snap you out of it as you will.

Wow Seth had a stockpile of weapons, hopefully that will increase are Zat and other Goa'uld technology stock hold. To bad the rings got destroyed would have been good for the guys at Area 51 to have a look out.

Black_Sheep
September 1st, 2008, 03:17 PM
Another great episode. I didn't like how Seth was presented though. He was lame.Otherwise this episode was great like i already said. I would love to hear more Jaffa jokes! :D :D

Verdande
October 11th, 2008, 05:05 AM
I didn't understand the Nish’ta, the biological compound that Seth used. It's an living organism, Jacob referred to it as a virus. Once inhaled, it infects all tissue in the body including the brain, making your mind extremely pliable. It can be killed by an electrical shock, and once infected you're later immune.

But if this is the substance Apophis used on Rya'c, and Hathor used on the men in SGC, then why aren't Daniel and O'Neill immune to it already?

Jacob says it won't work on him or Teal'c, but if that is a symbiote thing, why did it work on Rya'c?

Goose
October 31st, 2008, 06:00 PM
I just watched this episode, and I would just like to comment on two things:

1.) Teal'cs joke was very funny, because we got to see a side of Teal'c we haven't seen before: laughing!

2.) The shot of the cargo plan landing looked... wrong. It looked very stock-photo-ish. But there you go...

RononXSpecialist
November 11th, 2008, 09:13 AM
They had alot of funny scenes with Teal'C in this Episode.
Hahaha yeah Teal'Cs joke was funny xD I didnt get it but it was funny that everyone just stopped and stared at him.. Leaveing Teal'C laughing by himself.
And how Teal'C Started talking about how fathers don't love their children in Human cultures lol. I dont remember Exactly what he said.

Pic
January 15th, 2009, 05:22 PM
I seem to remember AT saying something about how she wasn't happy with her work in 'Seth'. I can't remember what the context was, but I thought of that as I was watching the episode.

I will be entertaining myself with "Jaffa Jokes" for some time. Teal'c-humor was definitely under-appreciated my first go 'round.

gateship15
January 23rd, 2009, 09:33 PM
i liked this episode. i liked the fact that a Goau'ld was hiding on earth and had his own cult. lol its so what i thought they would do. i also liked how they used the zats to free Seths followers and get them all out of the cult.

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 01:25 PM
i think this one is cool because jacob/selmak joins them :D

ZOMG!b_cs
March 2nd, 2009, 06:06 PM
Teal'c and his Jaffa jokes may have been funny, but Daniel's response is what got to me. He just does a brief eye roll thing and drinks his coffee then continues on talking about blah blah blah. Hilarious!

Ulkesh47
March 4th, 2009, 02:35 PM
I love how Teal'c tells his joke, waits for some laughter, then sulks to the background. Hilarious.

gateship15
March 6th, 2009, 03:41 PM
i like that to i think no one gets his jokes and because of that no one laughs and he sulks lol i also like how sam zaps jack and Daniel to test the ear peace is working and there reaction to it it makes me laugh every time

The Stig
April 24th, 2009, 02:06 PM
They have got to stop killing off all the good villians.

Alan Wake
June 26th, 2009, 09:15 PM
After many years of watching Stargate, I thought I'd seen every episode...

Just found out I was wrong a few days ago :S

Looks like this is the one that got away.

This one wasn't bad though, I thought it was a good stand-alone episode.

Although that dad of one the children came out of nowhere, and really accomplished nothing.

Would liked to have seen more of Seth, but I know that will never happen. Such a good villain too.

AresLover452
November 11th, 2009, 11:30 PM
i was just watching this one and I like when Teal'c pushes the button that Jack and Daniel get shocked and not Sam.

gateship15
November 12th, 2009, 12:41 AM
lol i need o watch this again

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 12:42 AM
I love it.

gateship15
November 12th, 2009, 01:16 AM
it is a fantastic episode

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 01:24 AM
i love the joke Teal'c tells and sadly i actually get the meaning of the joke and I know why it's funny... lmao!!

gateship15
November 12th, 2009, 01:46 AM
can u tell me because i don't

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 03:40 PM
a serpent guard, a Horus guard and a setesh meet on a neutral planet. it is a tense moment. the serpent guards eyes glow, the Horus guards beak glistens, the Setesh guard nose drips. lmao!!


Now i you break it down and look at it from the mythic point. Apophis was represented by the snake... hence the glowing eyes.

Horus is represented by a falcon, glistening beak.

And Setesh is represented by the mythic dog thing.... lol and when dogs get nervous their nose drips.... lol!!

It's a joke about being nervous.. lol!!

gateship15
November 12th, 2009, 08:15 PM
that is very funny now i understand it lol. i really really really have to see it again nowr

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 08:17 PM
I think its hilarious.

gateship15
November 12th, 2009, 10:26 PM
it is lol

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 10:27 PM
I got it right off the bat and I was, being stupid, shouting at the TV, "How can you not get the joke!!" At least Daniel should have gotten the joke... which i never got. How could he not get the joke?

badwolfSG
November 12th, 2009, 10:29 PM
This was the episode that got me hooked on Stargate! :)

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 10:31 PM
Hehe, I love all of them!!!

badwolfSG
November 12th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Hehe, I love all of them!!!

I love 99. percent of them! :)

gateship15
November 12th, 2009, 10:43 PM
i agree

AresLover452
November 12th, 2009, 10:48 PM
I love 99. percent of them! :)


True, Ok i love season's 1-7 le's put it that way... lol!!

gateship15
November 14th, 2009, 05:15 PM
the early seasons are better then the later ones

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 07:29 PM
totally!!

what shocked me that Daniel didn't laugh.... smarty that he is he should have gotten it.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 07:33 PM
i know maybe he just didn't find it funny

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 07:37 PM
I guess he wasn't as asmart as I thought.. lol!!! I found the joke hilarious.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 07:38 PM
me to

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 07:44 PM
I told that Joke once, to a history teacher, and she didn;t get it... i was like WTF!! how can you not get it?

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 07:46 PM
its a great joke

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 07:55 PM
it is and i love that Teal's told it... so great!!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 08:00 PM
yep because u don't think he would have a sense of humour

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 08:01 PM
Yeah, we all know he doesn't get sarcasm.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 08:08 PM
lol no he doesn't

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 08:20 PM
but it so funny to watch him try and get it.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 08:20 PM
yes its ineresting

mrscopterdoc
March 2nd, 2010, 02:55 PM
Jaffa Jokes :P

Lils
June 9th, 2010, 07:28 AM
was watching this ep today and seth had a cult in the 18th century near stonehenge bit close to glastonbury do you rekon seth ever suspected that there was a ring platform and the ancient caves down there ???? -- would have been interesting if he did and had artifacts from it like a zpm which the sgc recovered in S3 from his estate and never realised it

NavyGater
June 14th, 2010, 04:48 PM
Maybe they will find it and use it to help Destiny lol that would be interesting... but never going to happen

rushy
July 3rd, 2010, 10:50 AM
Seth was sorta weird. I think HAIL CARTERS AND O'NEILLS AND JACKSONS AND... I DON'T KNOW THEIR LAST NAMES!!!!!!!! HIP-HIP HURRAH FOR THE DEATH OF SETH.

Martina Magnus
July 11th, 2010, 11:23 PM
This was kinda cool ep :)

maneth
August 11th, 2010, 10:03 AM
Good to see Carter learn to use her tok'ra legacy.

escyos
August 29th, 2010, 09:17 AM
I like how we saw O'Neill's special forces mind control techniques obviously in use here, when they were chanting, he wasnt that much into it.

FrodoFraggins
March 25th, 2011, 02:59 AM
7.5/10

I felt the episode worked well until they entered Seth's throne room.

Sam got to play Harry Potter to her dad's dumbledore. As always, Amanda Tapping is rather wooden in her reactions, in this case for killing Seth.

Selkhet
May 1st, 2011, 06:11 PM
Saw it again tonight. I had forgotten about this awesome scene:

ATF dude - You guys special forces?

Jack - also classified

ATF - I was talking to your commanding officer.

Jacob - He's right. It's classified.

ATF - I have top level clearance.

Jack - Oh, not top enough.

ATF - You have a rather insubordinate subordinate general.

Jacob - He's not insubordinate to me. Only the people such as yourself. Saves me the trouble.

:jack_new_anime06:

LeftHandedGuitarist
September 30th, 2011, 11:48 AM
It's a decent enough episode, it has quite a different feel from much of what we've seen before. In fact it reminds me a bit of The X-Files in terms of visual atmosphere, with the rainy green streets. I quite enjoy Earth-based episodes, although this isn't one of the best ones. I wasn't the biggest fan of the character of Seth, he wasn't very well defined and never seemed a real threat. The episode is pretty entertaining until SG-1 get into Seth's compound, from then on I find it a bit boring.

- This episode possibly has the best stuff for Jacob so far, he gets to stretch himself a bit here.

- A lot of really good humour. Teal'c's joke and the following reaction is superb. I enjoy seeing O'Neill bantering with the ATF commander.

- Nice to see Carter using Goa'uld tech. It was never explored enough in the show.

- The guy who plays Seth was the same actor who played Daniel's dad in The Gamekeeper. I was half expecting Daniel to recognise him!

- The ending is a mixture of good and bad. After Seth has knocked Jack and Daniel down, he just leaves the bomb counting down next to them and leaves. There are 2 zat guns just sitting there he could have finished them off with, but he takes the stupid route. The moment where Sam pummels Seth into the ground is pretty good, and quite violent too.

- The zat guns don't seem to cause anybody pain in this episode, they just instantly recover.

RATING: 6.5 out of 10

Krisz
October 3rd, 2011, 03:41 PM
The one with the Jaffa joke!

Wonderful bit of deadpan comedic acting by everyone concerned in that scene!

I liked the take on a cult leader being a Goa'uld hiding out on Earth, fits all the criteria for nut job cults! That fawning obedience a result of yet another Goa'uld drug, Amanda played the devoted slave to Seth so well it was downright chilling!

Her shock at how easily she killed Seth by breaking him in half with the hand device was also a great scene. It explains why I guess she never used a hand device again, the look on her face said it all. It's a terrifying power to be able to will death like that on someone.

This was the beginning of the selective stunning power of zats. How in some episodes they hardly affect people and others knock them into next week! This lack of consistency with what a zat on one hit does to people became quite irritating as time went on I felt.

Jae'a
October 4th, 2011, 09:53 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/12954.html)
Not very long this time, but heck... :P

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 4th, 2011, 03:58 PM
Interesting episode. We're two episodes into the season, and we've already killed 2 Goa'ulds.

Daniel got a haircut. And the current Zat effect debut in this episode.

And Jack, Sam, & Daniel were apparently sent by the deprogrammers ;)

Also,
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/sg1_season3/302-Seth/screencaps/normal_sg1_302_138.jpg
Netscape Navigator makes another appearance, this time they've upgraded the operating system, and hid the address bar.

Tomorrow, and episode I've been waiting for, 3 Goa'ulds come to the SGC.

Matt G
October 5th, 2011, 04:05 PM
5pm and another ep of SG1...

1. Jaffa joke, liked the fact that TEal'c laughed and no one else did.

2. Forgot about the President's call.

3. That guy showing up was 'such' a dodgy plot device.

4. "Bomb?" "Bomb!" :)

Solid enough idea and ep!

SaraBahama
October 6th, 2011, 08:29 PM
Forgot about this, and laughed my head off all over again:

Jack: Dare I ask about the men inside the compound?
Daniel: They were turned into eunuchs.
Jack: Eunuchs, as in "snippity-do-dah"?

(after they are captured, as they are falling unconcious):
Jack: So help me, if I wake up and I'm singing soprano…

I think AT played Sam's reaction to killing Seth very spot-on. She was stunned and horrified. Jack's "Hail Dorothy" only worsened it for her (though this was not his intent). The power she was able to wield with just her mind and a hand device seemed to disturb her deeply.

I also like the Carter family interaction in this ep. Selmak gets to get out a bit, too.

Matt G
October 7th, 2011, 03:04 AM
Yeah, I'm not even sure I knew what eunnuch's were first time I saw this ep!

jelgate
October 7th, 2011, 10:02 PM
This is why I think season 3 is when SG1 found its angle. When a filler episode like this gets you so happy you know its a good show. This episode has a little bit of everything. It has archelogical mystery as Daniel tracks down Seth. It has actual action as SG1 and Jacob infiltrate Seth's compound. Although given the episodes ending I would have liked to see Sam use a hand device more often. They did kind of dilute her link with Jolinar as the series progressed. Speaking of Sam it has good character interaction as we see Sama and Jacob explore their dysfunctional family. It even had humor as Jack mocks the ATF.

PS: Minitanks are awesome

dtheories
October 9th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Hail Dorothy! I too like that line along with some of the effects, especially the System Lord hologram (we learn there are a limited number of SL's) and the ring explosion as Jack and Danny (as Jacob greeted Daniel in the 'gate room) depart Seth's compound.

I always had a memory that Nishta was the same drug used by Sokar mixed with something??

Teal'c's shocking discovery about human behavior toward children was a great moment. Why don't we as a society love our children unconditionally? Why do we make it so complicated when we see the results of both physical and psychological abuse so often? Like 10,000 Maniacs ask, whether child or adult, What's the Matter Here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m39DWVFK-Bw

Starscape91
October 10th, 2011, 10:02 AM
I loved the Jaffa joke I always laugh when I see that cause it's so unatural to see Teal'c laugh. Also Sams reaction to killing Seth was spot on I think this was the first time she killed someone face to face like that.

lookupwardsnshare
October 10th, 2011, 06:45 PM
I loved the Jaffa joke I always laugh when I see that cause it's so unatural to see Teal'c laugh. Also Sams reaction to killing Seth was spot on I think this was the first time she killed someone face to face like that.

And in such a powerful mannner and her realization of what she had just done (Jack's "Hail Dorothy" line added to it)...great scene and good episode!!

Love it when Jacob/Selmak is in an episode :o

Nefret
October 11th, 2011, 11:47 AM
I thought the Jaffa joke that Teal'c told was funny, and just as funny were the teams' reactions to the joke. I always like Jacob Carter in the episode. Between Selmac and Jacob, you can guarantee some great inter/intra action. I also liked Jack's comment at the end 'Hail Dorothy.' It was so good. I'd forgotten about that. Good episode.

Selkhet
October 12th, 2011, 06:33 PM
I love the guy telling Jacob "you have an insubordinate subordinate" that whole scene is one of my fav's. :jack_new_anime18:

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 14th, 2011, 10:50 PM
Ah poor T. Nobody finds his jokes funny. His laugh made me feel so awkward haha.

Seth made for a pretty boring bad guy after all the hype. Pretty cool ending with Sam killing him with the hand device.

And yay Jacob/Selmak!

garhkal
October 16th, 2011, 02:31 PM
I honestly loved the angle.. a gou'ald using his power's to create a cult.

Nut_ty
October 18th, 2011, 07:10 PM
This episode has all the elements of a good SG1 episode--a Gou'ld hunt, Daniel and his archeology, Sam and her powers from Jolinar, Jack and his wry sense of humor, Teal'c's view on fathers and sons, and a nice touch of Tok'ra.

It was great seeing Sam using the ribbon device; Seth got what was coming to him. But why was Sam in the compound at all? Teal'c didn't go in since Seth would detect his Gou'ld, so why would they think Sam's mark from Joliner would be undetected?

The theme of family is one I really enjoy. In this episode, it's about biological families, and in others it's about the team as family.

I don't know why I could never really get into this episode. There are other episodes that I rewatch, but not this one.

Skydiver
October 21st, 2011, 05:31 PM
I loved the Jaffa joke I always laugh when I see that cause it's so unatural to see Teal'c laugh. Also Sams reaction to killing Seth was spot on I think this was the first time she killed someone face to face like that.

i always attributed sam's reaction to: holy crap, i just smashed a dude into the ground with my mind. that and, at least in the interpretation, realizing that she THOUGHT him dead and, as some fanfic writers have speculated, might have gotten a bit of a rush off of it...which heartily conflicted with her moralilty about killing someone face to face and how 'wrong' it was for her to have that power

Inquisitor
October 22nd, 2011, 08:41 PM
I wonder why Seth never tried to take over a world leader. Fortunately this story-line was explored in season 8.

muziqaz
October 23rd, 2011, 02:49 AM
As I hate people who are raving lunatics and obsessed about religion I did not enjoy this episode any bit.
But I cannot ignore the fact that Stargate series fantastically incorporate any real life events and myths into their stories, like some religious sects being goa'uld run, or grey men of Roswell being asgard and such, or historic myths being goa'uld driven :)

Dimes
December 23rd, 2011, 03:09 AM
Good episode with a good consept.
I really liked that the episode took place on Earth :D

Stargate Atlantis Girl
June 9th, 2012, 04:50 PM
I know this is kind of late, and it might be an obvious answer, but I just finied watching this episode and in the end, who did they go see? A guy with a little girl? Who was it?
Thanks,
:)

jelgate
June 9th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Sam's brother and niece

Stargate Atlantis Girl
June 9th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Sam's brother and niece

Ohhhhh nice, thanks!

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 11:47 AM
'Seth' is a pretty cool episode, though the moments inside the 'cult' are kind of 'meh'.

Best moments:
-Jaffa jokes! Teal'cs laugh is great, and so are the looks everyone else gives him.
-The tail end where Jacob goes to see his son, and gets to hold his adorable little granddaughter. Awww! :)
Jack has the best lines!
"As in, Snippety-Do-Dah?"
"So help me, if I wake up and I'm singing soprano..."
"Hail, Dorothy." :jack_new_anime18:

garhkal
July 29th, 2012, 02:42 PM
Makes me wonder if any other minor Gou'ald would have though to do the cult route...

Girlbot
July 29th, 2012, 02:43 PM
This was not one of my favorite eps

Major Clanger
January 5th, 2013, 07:41 AM
I quite like that one. Not least because it spawned some fantastic Mag7(ATF)/SG-1 crossover fics (if only I knew where they were)

Still bunching up in a group when they should be spaced out a bit, but my family tell me I have to let that go.

It was an interesting concept, although the parallel story of Jacob/Mark and that guy and his son was a bit annoying. But anyway...

I liked it.

Major Clanger
January 5th, 2013, 08:20 AM
oh and it's more than a little irritating the way Jack was with the ATF boss guy at first. He would HATE for an outside agency to usurp his authority, and he should have shown more respect for the guy's authority.

A bit later he was more concilliatory and that was fine.

Anoobis
January 6th, 2013, 02:26 AM
Teal'c owns this episode with his Jaffa joke and his laughter. Oh, Seth was there too, right. But I only remembered the Jaffa joke. :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 7th, 2013, 07:46 AM
I quite like that one. Not least because it spawned some fantastic Mag7(ATF)/SG-1 crossover fics (if only I knew where they were)

If you ever find them, please share links. Thanks.

Seaboe

Major Clanger
January 7th, 2013, 09:40 AM
asking around :)

Cate'sCorner
January 7th, 2013, 10:48 AM
This is one of my all time favourite eppies of SG1. I remember watching it the first time around, and almost choking at Teal'c's Jaffa joke.

It was shown here last week, and it's still as funny now as it was then. Great ep!

:)

Cate

Insolent Slave
January 25th, 2013, 07:47 PM
My big question is where did all the Gou'ald tech come from? The zats, bombs, ring transports, etc? Has Seth kept that stuff for 10k years or is he able to manufacture it? We know so little on how the Gou'ald tech is built, I truly wonder.

The hail Dorothy comment is great and powerful!

Major Clanger
January 25th, 2013, 11:13 PM
I think we're meant to assume that he had it with him all along and was a very patient Goa'uld

fems
January 26th, 2013, 05:10 AM
I think we're meant to assume that he had it with him all along and was a very patient Goa'uld

And that tech and its power sources (naquadah?) is really durable.

garhkal
January 27th, 2013, 01:19 PM
Well, who knows WHEN he got here? let alone how much he came with..

Seaboe Muffinchucker
January 28th, 2013, 07:12 AM
And that tech and its power sources (naquadah?) is really durable.

Are you saying we're meant to assume that? I thought we already knew the tech and its power source were durable.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
June 3rd, 2013, 03:02 AM
I really enjoyed this episode, and I don't think it was so surprising that if Seth was wanted by pretty much everyone that the best place to hide would be Earth indeed. However, he may have done a poor job at hiding really, considering him being a powerhungry maniac. His greatest weakness does him in.

Selmak getting tired of Jacob's issues -- :p

Teal'c telling that joke -- I totally cracked up at the reaction by the others. Something definitely went lost in translation there, but come one... it was hilarious. :D

Sam killing Seth at the end obviously stirred some emotions the way she looks... she kinda looked a little stunned, surprised, lost all at once.

I Am Not James Spader
May 7th, 2015, 01:24 PM
I really enjoyed this episode, and I don't think it was so surprising that if Seth was wanted by pretty much everyone that the best place to hide would be Earth indeed. However, he may have done a poor job at hiding really, considering him being a powerhungry maniac. His greatest weakness does him in.

Selmak getting tired of Jacob's issues -- :p

Teal'c telling that joke -- I totally cracked up at the reaction by the others. Something definitely went lost in translation there, but come one... it was hilarious. :D

Sam killing Seth at the end obviously stirred some emotions the way she looks... she kinda looked a little stunned, surprised, lost all at once.

That is exactly what I was coming here to comment on.

I enjoyed this episode so and it really was all down to that scene. It was clearly obvious exactly how the others where going to react, even as Teal'C said first mentioned a joke, but Christopher Judge's delivery and his own reaction afterward were just priceless - the way he moved of to the corner of the room, either hurt by the reaction or bewildered as to how these "idiots" didn't get it. So funny. :D

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 04:32 AM
The reaction to Teal'c's joke is just the same as if you tell Americans a joke about East Frisians - nobody will laugh because nobody understands.
I can write this because I lived in that part of Germany for 10 years.

maneth
November 27th, 2015, 09:34 PM
An okay episode but not among my favorites. Tealc's joke was the best part of it.

Tyrathraxus
June 14th, 2016, 05:09 PM
Not one of my favourite episodes, and my major issue I remember at the time being that Set in Egyptian Lore was actually their God Of War. Also associated with Foreigners and the Desert/Darkness. Yes he was revilved for a long time in Egyptian Culture.

The way he was depicted in Seth (and I had major issues when I realised the same actor had been Daniel's 'father') didn't really do it for me. Yes he was acting very Go'auld like and my assumption was that all the Go'auld tech he had was from a long time ago (then again, it lasts a LONG time).

Craziwolf
July 14th, 2017, 03:32 AM
Jaffa jokes don't get much better then that :P

Falcon Horus
January 18th, 2018, 03:21 PM
Opinion doesn't seem to have changed since last time. It's still hitting all the right points I'd be making anew.


I really enjoyed this episode, and I don't think it was so surprising that if Seth was wanted by pretty much everyone that the best place to hide would be Earth indeed. However, he may have done a poor job at hiding really, considering him being a powerhungry maniac. His greatest weakness does him in.

Selmak getting tired of Jacob's issues -- :p

Teal'c telling that joke -- I totally cracked up at the reaction by the others. Something definitely went lost in translation there, but come one... it was hilarious. :D

Sam killing Seth at the end obviously stirred some emotions the way she looks... she kinda looked a little stunned, surprised, lost all at once.

Someone over at Stargate Command made a comment about how Seth is on Earth when Stargate Origins takes place, but after seeing this episode, I'm fairly certain that a) he got lost in 15 years of Stargate shows, b) he was hiding on Earth from the System Lords and the Tok'ra, and c) chances are remarkably high he spend his entire time since last time he was spotted in 1722 in England, in the American colonies to continue hiding. He doesn't want to be found so why on Earth would he try to get to the stargate, other than to destroy it probably, since that's how he might get found. It would be possible, but it would go against the established charaterization of Seth from season 3.

How would you rate SG-1's "Seth?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
January 21st, 2018, 07:02 PM
It's a fairly straight forward action episode to be honest. I think it is mostly filler to show that the Goa'uld could be cult leaders. The main point is about how messed up family relationships are. BTW the ATF agent spying should be fired for a terrible job. It's a good mostly because Sam gets to use a hand device.

To FH's point I think the writers of Origins don't even consider Seth as he has such a low impact.

Can I have some Joy of Seth now?:P

Falcon Horus
January 22nd, 2018, 01:23 AM
To FH's point I think the writers of Origins don't even consider Seth as he has such a low impact.

And there's that. :p

Falcon Horus
January 22nd, 2018, 02:18 PM
Dropping the 3-episode quiz (Into The Fire, Seth & Fair Game) (https://goo.gl/forms/WbjQUzY44Jeq4RlD2) today and the jigsaw puzzle for Seth (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=RR0XS55E).

jelgate
January 24th, 2018, 06:14 PM
I was a little slow on this one. 6 minutes and 30 seconds

Falcon Horus
January 26th, 2018, 04:03 PM
I was slower -- 8:33

jelgate
January 26th, 2018, 04:07 PM
Maybe it's the window Puzzle Tood needs

Platschu
August 9th, 2018, 02:27 PM
I have just rewatched this episode. It is still entertaining, but it was really disturbing this whole castration plot in the end. It was placed for a joke from O'Neill, but then I started to sorry the rescued guys from Seth's courtyard. So it was weird and they should have left it out.

BethHG
August 9th, 2018, 06:39 PM
I just rewatched the last 20 minutes, and I don't remember anything about castration. So, all the guys were castrated? :eek:

8:27