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<FONT SIZE=4 COLOR="#0066BF"><B>INTO THE FIRE</B></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 301</FONT>
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O'Neill, Carter and Jackson must escape Hathor's clutches, while Teal'c tries to raise a Jaffa army on Chulak. General Hammond must take desperate measures to rescue the team.

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-Major Woody
May 12th, 2004, 08:48 PM
I only have one thing to say about this ep., "YEE-HAW!" :D

KorbenDirewolf
May 13th, 2004, 03:02 PM
A very interesting show.. The future of the SGC? And Hathor's forces seem to be.. erm.. not really good at their job.

SeaBee
June 12th, 2004, 01:24 AM
Most cool, the gate-sized fighter. I think that should be used again. It could be kept off world, say at the Alpha site, and sent through the gate when a bit of close air support could help a pinned team. :cool:

Crazedwraith
June 12th, 2004, 02:31 AM
Most cool, the gate-sized fighter. I think that should be used again. It could be kept off world, say at the Alpha site, and sent through the gate when a bit of close air support could help a pinned team. :cool:

I find the needle threader and odd concept, especially since we've seen death gliders fly throogh (in active) gates before in "Singularity" and in every season 1-3 montage title sequence.

Perhaps the Regular death gliders don't have the manuveuring presice and fire control of the needle threader making it had to fly through wormholes with smacking into the ground afterwards

bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 01:38 PM
I find the needle threader and odd concept, especially since we've seen death gliders fly throogh (in active) gates before in "Singularity" and in every season 1-3 montage title sequence.

No, they showed a Deathglider through the stargate, but it didn't fly through the gate, it flew over the gate. A deathglider's wings are too wide to fit through a gate.

Crazedwraith
June 12th, 2004, 02:27 PM
No, they showed a Deathglider through the stargate, but it didn't fly through the gate, it flew over the gate. A deathglider's wings are too wide to fit through a gate.

Really? I thought there were tow one went over one went through.
Maybe I'm just seeing things.

bcmilco
June 12th, 2004, 04:21 PM
Okay I went back and watch it again, and you were right.

oops!

That's really funny because I still think they're too big to fit through the stargate. ;)

Of course Teal'c also refers to Nirti as a 'he' so maybe they were still getting some of the details worked out. :)

langdonboom
June 25th, 2004, 07:46 AM
you know, I don't know why I thought this, but I had always assumed when I heard of the "puddle jumpers" that will appear in Atlantis that they would turn out to be the kind of ship that Bratac and Teal'c and Hammond found buried in the forest of Hathor's world which I believe Bratac said had been buried for hundreds of years....

It did "jump puddles" if I recall (they "threaded the needle" with it), and we haven't seen any other Goa'uld ships like it before or since....

SO WHAT WAS THAT SHIP? I guess its not Ancient tech like I thought, just old Goa'uld tech or some other race's tech they lifted, eh?


Okay, I just went to scifi's episode guide and they refer to it rather cryptically as "an ancient Death Glider". Maybe of an old design. So its ancient, just not Ancient. Huh.

Thoughts?

KorbenDirewolf
June 25th, 2004, 11:13 AM
I think it was said that since an extremely high level of skill was necessary to fly the gate gliders the Goa'uld simply abandoned the idea, rather than spend the time training their Jaffa to use the technology.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 07:44 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again... That evil chick is back.

I don't get it... didn't see explode in a bath tub full of goa'uld.

Any help... I defiantly though she exploded

SeaBee
September 17th, 2004, 12:03 PM
carefull examination of the scene will reveal that she actually climbs out of the burning bath, wrapped in some sort of shield, and exits the room thru an exit behind it.

Uncle Dick
September 25th, 2004, 08:30 PM
This episode has some of the coolest action sequences of the series with a massive SG team fighting multiple Jaffa targets through the Gou'ald base, Tok'ra tunnels and on the planet's surface. Truly, they do not make them as they once did.

Dead Jawa
January 7th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Most cool, the gate-sized fighter. I think that should be used again. It could be kept off world, say at the Alpha site, and sent through the gate when a bit of close air support could help a pinned team. :cool:

That does bring up an interesting question. What did they do with the fighter? Maybe Bra'tac and the rebel Jaffa are using it?

Im_just_guessing
March 2nd, 2005, 04:58 PM
Most importantly, Oneil should have a scar in the back of his neck. Which means they no longer can tell if he's been goa'ulded or not.

And they never seem to talk about this in later episodes. Explain.

SilverRider
March 3rd, 2005, 05:19 PM
a goa'uld pressence can be felt by other goa'ulds. Which is why Hathor's IC didn't believe Jack. That Hathor was dead.

Chaka's_Mum
March 3rd, 2005, 10:57 PM
This is a totally fab episode. That's one heck of a lot of effort on Hathor's part to find out the state of play in the Galaxy, though. I can't believe her resources are too extensive yet (as far as we could see it was one base, and a bunch of jaffa), so she was clearly expecting to get a lot out of her investment!

Baun
March 4th, 2005, 11:16 AM
this is my favourite episode, excellent !!

Egeria
March 4th, 2005, 11:48 AM
This is a totally fab episode. That's one heck of a lot of effort on Hathor's part to find out the state of play in the Galaxy, though. I can't believe her resources are too extensive yet (as far as we could see it was one base, and a bunch of jaffa), so she was clearly expecting to get a lot out of her investment!


I watched this today and the same thought went through my head. A great episode though, especially the effects.

PugGate
March 7th, 2005, 06:42 PM
I watched it today and I noticed that the old glider never lands, it Hovers! Awesome!

SmartFox
March 10th, 2005, 07:58 PM
I loved Hammond in this one. He was so hilarious at the end. YEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAA. Also it was sweet seeing 4 SG teams go and kick Goa'uld butt.
The only thing i noticed wrong with this ep is how at the end after Hathor had died the Goa'uld didn't come out of the trance or fight eachother. In the first part of this series didn't Hathor use the stuff from her mouth to take control of them? I don't think the Jaffa would just decide that Hathor is a better god and join her all of a sudden.

The Shadow
March 12th, 2005, 01:44 PM
I think everyone is a little too focused on the whole glider and effects stuff, does anyone notice that poor Jack just went through a terrible ordeal. Jack's right about one thing, aliens are always poking holes in him. He and the Goa'uld are not excatly good buddies, but they just like making him suffer. I love Hathor's personality, very sexy and romantic, but kind of sick too :eek:

I thought Jack was going to faint when the team is rescued, but I guess he hold on. :rolleyes:

Great episode, poor Jack. 9.8 out of 10. :cool:

Rune
March 12th, 2005, 03:10 PM
I enjoyed this and was rather sorry to see the end of Hathor, she definitely had presence. Jack's 'It has her eyes' comment as she's holding the symbiote always makes me smile, as does her reaction to Daniel's rebuff.


>snip< does anyone notice that poor Jack just went through a terrible ordeal.


Yep, definitely a 'poor Jack' ep, I was quite squicked out the first time I saw this ep, suddenly that 'ready to take a host' Goa'uld seems a whole lot larger & the fact that the only thing he says is 'oh god, oh no' (or something like that as it's crawling up to his neck makes it seem far worse than if he'd been yelling and struggling.

Hammond's whoop of excitement was at threading the needle was neat human touch, it was great to see his excitement getting the better of him and Teal'c's reaction to his whoop was classic too.

girlgater
March 15th, 2005, 05:11 AM
I had missed this episode, somehow, and I must say I really enjoyed it. Hathor is sooo eewwwy.

Chaka's_Mum
March 22nd, 2005, 10:48 PM
Hammond's whoop of excitement was at threading the needle was neat human touch, it was great to see his excitement getting the better of him and Teal'c's reaction to his whoop was classic too.

I couldn't help but chuckle when he got pinned back in his seat so violently as Teal'c took off!

But it was so nice to see Hammond actually get out of the base for a change - not only that, he gets to go off-world and to blast some Goa'uld butt!

Elite Anubis Guard
July 14th, 2005, 03:42 AM
anyone remember the name of the tokra operative?

Chaka's_Mum
July 14th, 2005, 04:20 AM
anyone remember the name of the tokra operative?

I'm not sure that the Tok'ra actually revealed her real name, but her 'fake SGC' name was Dr Raully (at least that's what the ep guide says... :o )

Ascendant
August 28th, 2005, 01:16 PM
Deffinitely one of the coolest episodes - possibly my favorite (though I've only seen seasons 1-4) and deffinitely in my top three. Hathor is possibly the best Gua'ould because she's so non-typical, and the big battles with the turrets are amazing. Best action episode since Children of the Gods. Sam and Jack had some great moments as well.

Seeing the action start at night and go all the way through until morning was especially neat. But it raises an interesting question - why isn't it night time on other worlds more often? Earth time should have no bearing on what time it is on the worlds that they gate to, so shouldn't it be night at least half of the time?

Of course, I only say that because the Stargate looks awesome all lit up like that.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 02:53 AM
Excellent start to the new season and the start of Daniel Jackson with short hair!!!!

1DanielForMe
September 8th, 2005, 04:07 AM
I LOVE this episode! I love Daniel's new hair, I love when Jack kills Hathor, I love when he pretends to be goa'uld, when Teal'c and General Hammond "thread the needle", everything pretty much!

Tezzador
September 8th, 2005, 04:28 AM
But i find it quite interesting that the goa'uld and his jaffa at the gate didn't really expect reinforcements to come from it or at the very least they weren't prepared.

walter_MacChevron
September 15th, 2005, 07:18 PM
I thought it was average but at least George got a little curious on went off-world....

rac76
December 30th, 2005, 06:47 PM
I watched this last night thanks to the dvd set that I got for Christmas! I thought it was a good episode. I do have a question.. why doesn't the tok'ra caves disappear like in the episode ( I forget the name) where the team and Jacob are in the disappearing caves since the tok'ra have to leave. I thought that it always happens like that. Or did the caves stay since there was an operative still on the planet? I noticed that they were abanoned, I'm just curious on why they didn't disappear. Hopefully, the question makes sense to someone.

I smiled at the part in which Gen. Hammond goes "hee-haw"..and I thought that Teal'c look was geniune. :hammond:

cafine_us
December 31st, 2005, 09:38 AM
I believe, and the GateWorld episode analysis agrees, that the single Tok'ra operative built the tunnels for her own use, and intended to collapse them when she left the planet.

Chaka's_Mum
January 2nd, 2006, 10:25 PM
I'd assumed much the same thing myself. We don't get to see how extensive the tunnel system is, so it's perfectly plausible that she had constructed a small network to use while she was 'on-world', and would have collapsed it upon leaving.

And, of course, I just have to concur with the greatness of sending Hammond off-world (at long last!).:hammondanime01:

Plus, it gets me the chance to use one of the great new smilies that has appeared while I've been away on my Chrimbo travels!:D

captain jake
May 28th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I agree.

You say they looked abandoned, I believe they have looked like that since they were created. The tunnels are not a base they are just used for transportation.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 11:28 PM
i thought this was a funny bit where general hammond was firing the ship and he said yea ha i just thought that was really funny

Chaka's_Mum
July 30th, 2006, 10:13 PM
And we never knew he had it in him!


Yeeeeee haaaaa!!!!!

:hammond:

SamO'Neill
September 10th, 2006, 01:37 PM
Can I just say one thing?

The part where Sam's being tortured by Hathor, and then Jack throws Hathor in the freezing thing... AWESOME..

Then of course, the wonderful hug after that... but who pays attention to little things like that? :D

Descent
September 10th, 2006, 01:40 PM
Jack pretending to be a Goa'uld was priceless. "You heard me, I said Kree!"

And the needle threader was so cool, real shame they never brought that back.

scifi_girl
September 12th, 2006, 10:38 AM
jack pretending to be goa'uld- lol. the hug between jack and sam- squee :D. good episode and season opener imho

OrangeShipper
December 10th, 2006, 04:51 AM
Can I just say one thing?

The part where Sam's being tortured by Hathor, and then Jack throws Hathor in the freezing thing... AWESOME..

Then of course, the wonderful hug after that... but who pays attention to little things like that? :D

Oh, believe me, I pay attention.... ;)

In the Season 2 finale (the first part of this ep), I only just noticed watching it yesterday the awesome shippyness of the scene where Jack finds Sam.. She grabs his arm and says "I thought you were dead..." all emotional, and then has the flashback to "Message in a Bottle".. That's REALLY sweet.. And then, of course, when she goes to sit up and he is trying SO hard not to stare, teeheeheeee!!! I love it!!

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 19th, 2007, 09:01 AM
Hooray I've got to Season 3! I loved this episode; a great mix of action, humour and emotion. I found Teal'c's speech when trying to recruit other Jaffa to help him really quite stirring, since he is usually such a quiet character. Great to see Hammond having some fun and Jack pretending to be a Goaul'd was so funny.

One question - did the undercover Tokr'a survive?

garhkal
April 19th, 2007, 11:56 AM
I think not.

Chaka's_Mum
April 19th, 2007, 10:31 PM
Alas, like Garkhal, I suspect she didn't. It's possible, however, that her Symbiote was able to heal her sufficiently to enable her to get them both to safety before finding a suitable opportunity to get off-world.

However, we will never know. If she didn't survive, she didn't die in vain - 'cos SG-1 escaped and live to fight another day.

Urgh. What a cliche. Zat me...:samanime15:

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 20th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Alas, like Garkhal, I suspect she didn't. It's possible, however, that her Symbiote was able to heal her sufficiently to enable her to get them both to safety before finding a suitable opportunity to get off-world.

However, we will never know. If she didn't survive, she didn't die in vain - 'cos SG-1 escaped and live to fight another day.

Urgh. What a cliche. Zat me...:samanime15:

I'm a bit suprised that the SG teams didn't make some sort of tribute to her and her sacrifice when it was all over. Or maybe I'm just being a softy again.

I've only seen the first two seasons and first two episodes of the third; I wonder if freezing can become a weapon in the fight against the Goaul'd and a means to help people like Sha're.

Chaka's_Mum
April 21st, 2007, 10:55 AM
There's no guarantee, alas, that freezing would work once the Goa'uld is fully settled. The symbiote that Hathor implanted in Jack hadn't taken control of him, and therefore its death would not have taken him with it. That's always a bit of a risk - killing the symbiote without taking the host, too.

There's no reason why they didn't raise a glass to her in a pub somewhere - just that they did it 'off camera'. That means we can imagine it and be satisfied that they did!:cool:

Harlan's Speechwriter
April 21st, 2007, 11:37 AM
There's no reason why they didn't raise a glass to her in a pub somewhere - just that they did it 'off camera'. That means we can imagine it and be satisfied that they did!:cool:

I'm sure they did. I was just surprised that they didn't make a bit more of it, given their close relations with the Tok'ra.

ROGERIO_ALMEIDA
April 26th, 2007, 02:26 AM
Hello,

can anyone post the links to the all
episode form SG-1 Stargate Season 01
to Season 10.

Thanks.

Roger

Portugal

Crichiel
February 2nd, 2008, 07:44 PM
This season opener has moments of absolute brilliance to me (Jack's "Kree!"), but it also has parts that I notice I always fast forward. Mostly all the stuff with Teal'c and the Jaffa. I never like Teal'c as the inspirational speaker. The lines are always overdramatic and cliche. I feel like he is always saying the same thing. So the parts with Jack, Sam, Daniel, and the other SG teams, I would rate an 8, but the rest?...I don't even bother to watch.

HelloVelo
June 21st, 2008, 03:33 PM
Hathor. :(

Rating: 9/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/into-fire.html

captain jake
June 29th, 2008, 09:50 PM
I was surprised by the technology and fortifications that Hathor was able to muster. First of all the shield was extremely impressive, It seemed to surround the Stargate and I assume it could protect from an invasion as well. Second of all the cannon towers which had the power and aerial advantage of a Death Glider were extremely impressive. In the case of an attack through the Stargate they could have reversed the shield and fired into the invading troops.

So the question lingers why were they unable to stop SG teams 3, 5, 6, and 11 from coming through the gate and attempting a rescue mission. After which Teal'c attacks in a small ship that can travel through the gate accompanied by a few Jaffa on foot. This attack prevails and the stranded SG teams are rescued. So I ask the question again all those fortifications and Hathor wasn't able to stave off defeat?

L E E
July 7th, 2008, 10:59 PM
Since this is the conclusion of the 2nd season's finale, I enjoyed it. Lots of action, explosions, energy fields, wise cracks, flying objects.

Jack was almost goaulded. I wonder why he was picked. Did the symbiote sense that he was the leader and would have most of the knowledge of SGC?

Tokra spies. Helpful Tokra spies.

Lots of SG teams to the rescue! They didn't actually succeed, but at least they tried. Makepeace is growing on me. I hoped to see Feretti. He must be offworld. If he was there, he'd definitely volunteer.

General Hammond and rebel Jaffa to the rescue! What's that they are riding? It was sooo cool when it flew through the gate. The yeehaw was funny.

Jack pretending to be goauld had me :lol: . "You heard me, I said Kree!"

pritnep
August 14th, 2008, 12:26 AM
After the Season 1 finale and Season 2 opener they certainly had a lot to live up to and I think they managed to pull it off in this two parter.

Although I mentioned it in the finale, the CGI for the mature Goa'uld symbiote looks pretty cool.

I also liked how Colonel Makepeace rushed to see General Hammond, that was cool and showed he and the other SG teams hold SG1 in high esteem. Interesting that Hammond was talking to Major Davis about 3 more SG teams that would take them up to 16 teams to do date now? Assuming they get approval.

Even though Major Davis did challenge General Hammond out of all the external Air Force officers we have seen to date he seems to be one of the genuine and trust worthy.

I quite liked Teal'c's inspiring speech and to me it's something you could see him doing, trying to win over his people in the fight over the fall Gods that have enslaved them for some long. From everything he has said it, goes to his character.

Although General Hammond going off world on his own, you would of thought he would of went with others, who knew the area and could provide support. Although on a second watch those other people with the hoods looks like they might be with him but it's hard to tell.

The threading of the needle gateship was pretty awesome and General Hammond's "Yeee Haaa!", classic line.

Hathor had some pretty impressive defences I must say, especially for someone trying to build up an army on the quiet. Trofsky looked cool when he put on his armour and was leading the Jaffa.


So I ask the question again all those fortifications and Hathor wasn't able to stave off defeat?

I was going to try and answer this but you raise some good points.

Goa'uld as we know can become quite arrogant. I assume that the only reason Teal'c survived was because the Tok'ra that was in Hathor's completed helped. It had been sometime since they had been captured so maybe they thought a rescue wasn't coming and instead her forces maybe of been spread out trying to rally more Jaffa to the cause.

Or it's TV SG1 needed to survive. ;)

s72450
August 19th, 2008, 03:21 PM
This was a good episode, I loved it when Hammond came through the gate and was flying alongside Teal'C. "Yee-Haw" indeed.

Black_Sheep
September 1st, 2008, 03:11 PM
Awesome episode! Lot's of action. This is SG-1 at it's best. Great start for the third season. Absolutely loved this ep. It was great how Hammond travelled through the Stargate, and the speech Teal'c gave at chulak. Awesome. It was a surprise to see Hathor die btw

RononXSpecialist
November 11th, 2008, 09:03 AM
Action packed and funny = Good ep.
It was funny how Jack pretended to be the Goa'uld and said "You heard me i said KREE." Haveing no idea what it means LoL
And Teal'Cs look on his face after Hammond said "YEEE-HAAAA"

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January 10th, 2009, 03:32 PM
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Hug later, just go blow up the generator already??

balo
February 2nd, 2009, 07:34 AM
This was a great start of season 3 ! Maybe one of the best episodes since the start.

I loved the action sequences and CGI in this episode, really impressive !

And finally we see Hammond having some off world action "YEEEE HAAAAAAAA" .

Rating : 9 / 10

Ziel
February 3rd, 2009, 01:39 AM
And finally we see Hammond having some off world action "YEEEE HAAAAAAAA" .


Those immortal words!

Dinoman
February 18th, 2009, 09:08 PM
Jack & Sam look great in the white suits. Lots of shipper moments between them, especially the hug after Hathor was killed.

Favourite Jack's lines:
"it has her eyes"
"the grey doesn't bother you?"

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 02:08 PM
"ya heard me, i said kree" lmao i am glad that hathor got killed in this episode

Starbreaker
April 11th, 2009, 07:45 PM
I really wasn't impressed with this episode. After watching the first two seasons and then this all in the span of about of two weeks, it's obvious to me everyone was a little bit out of character - especially Christopher Judge. His voice was completely different than what I'm used to hearing from Teal'c.

Ulkesh47
April 12th, 2009, 02:38 PM
I really wasn't impressed with this episode. After watching the first two seasons and then this all in the span of about of two weeks, it's obvious to me everyone was a little bit out of character - especially Christopher Judge. His voice was completely different than what I'm used to hearing from Teal'c.
Watch "The Fifth Man" from Season 5. I guess CJ had a cold or something.

The Stig
April 24th, 2009, 02:04 PM
The only thing i liked about this episode was seeing hammond out of the office.

jack's petunia
February 25th, 2010, 10:56 AM
I loved this episode! It had some really really good lines:
"It has her eyes"
"I said KREE!"
and best of all"YEEEHAAAAA!!!"
But I do have one question:

When Jack get the snake put in his head and it dies due to the carbon freezing, why doesn;t he have naquada left in his system like Sam?

jelgate
February 25th, 2010, 10:58 AM
I loved this episode! It had some really really good lines:
"It has her eyes"
"I said KREE!"
and best of all"YEEEHAAAAA!!!"
But I do have one question:

When Jack get the snake put in his head and it dies due to the carbon freezing, why doesn;t he have naquada left in his system like Sam?

Because the Goa'uld never blended with Jack.

jack's petunia
February 25th, 2010, 11:19 AM
Because the Goa'uld never blended with Jack.

Ah. Thank you! Makes sense now.

mrscopterdoc
March 2nd, 2010, 01:43 PM
YeeHaw :lol: Seeing Hammond off world was the best part.

Lunaeclipse
April 28th, 2010, 05:44 AM
There's no guarantee, alas, that freezing would work once the Goa'uld is fully settled. The symbiote that Hathor implanted in Jack hadn't taken control of him, and therefore its death would not have taken him with it. That's always a bit of a risk - killing the symbiote without taking the host, too.

There's no reason why they didn't raise a glass to her in a pub somewhere - just that they did it 'off camera'. That means we can imagine it and be satisfied that they did!:cool:

eewww. Does that mean Jack still has a dead symbote in there? :(

One question about Jack and Zat's

Um second shot kills right? Does that mean from the same zat gun? In Within the serpents grasp/lair I'm sure they use two different ones for the zat demo. So when Klorel shot him and the tokra shoots him in this one ... shouldn't Jack be...um...dead? (Not that I'd be happy if he was. I'm just saying.)

asdf1239
May 2nd, 2010, 12:07 PM
the shot wears off after a while

Lunaeclipse
May 2nd, 2010, 06:03 PM
the shot wears off after a while

Awesome. :)

maneth
August 10th, 2010, 11:05 AM
I expect a dead symbiote would get absorbed by Jack, just like Jolinar was absorbed by Carter. I liked this better than the 2nd season finale, it was so wonderful to see Hammond out of the office.

Noxbait
January 30th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Dang that girl is icky...Hate the part where she puts the Goa'uld in Jack. hooray for Makepeace...just in the nick of time. Thank goodness for the Tok'ra gal. whew.
Love the action. That's the most amount of firepower we've seen in awhile, isn't it? Go Marines! the gate looked fantastic lit up like that.
uh...how long does it take to figure out you can't shoot through the pretty blue energy barrier? hmmm...
It was cool to see a mixture of Serpent and Horus guards together.
It was cool when Teal'c was a dressed up again in his suit of armor. I always like that. It's interesting to see the beginnings of the Jaffa rebellion starting to grow. Teal'c took the first step in S1, he and Bra'tac took a bigger leap in the S1/S2 two parter...and here comes the 1st public exposure and development.
oooh Surprise...General Hammond!!! I love how Bra'tac always waves his hand over his head when greeting "Hammond of Texas."
whew...buhbye Hathor. and a lovely happy hug...a long one too. : )
This was a much more involved and action oriented episode than I had remembered (and much better than the first of this 2 parter).
Jack's speech as he's walking to the stargate was priceless! He'd make a super cocky Goa'uld if he ever was totally taken over. ; )
That was a cool space ship Bra'tac found in the woods. too bad we couldn't get more of those! : )
I love episodes where multiple factions work together (Jaffa/Tok'ra/Tau'ri). too cool. I love the end, Jack puts his arm around Daniel. Love their friendship. nice touch.

FrodoFraggins
March 25th, 2011, 02:23 AM
This season opener has moments of absolute brilliance to me (Jack's "Kree!"), but it also has parts that I notice I always fast forward. Mostly all the stuff with Teal'c and the Jaffa. I never like Teal'c as the inspirational speaker. The lines are always overdramatic and cliche. I feel like he is always saying the same thing. So the parts with Jack, Sam, Daniel, and the other SG teams, I would rate an 8, but the rest?...I don't even bother to watch.

I have to agree, I didn't like Teal'cs motivational speech. I actually found it cringe worthy.

Hathor's death was a bit anticlimactic, and boy does her security stink.

I'd rate this episode an 8/10 which is pretty weak for a season premier and conclusion to a two parter.

LeftHandedGuitarist
September 29th, 2011, 02:20 PM
I'm struggling to find things to say about this episode. It had very little impact on me, despite being a huge improvement over the first part. The show looks wonderful, and appears to have had a budget increase here, the special effects are certainly the best seen in the show so far. Hathor is just not a very entertaining villain, and her demise is not exciting. It essentially wraps up a fairly dull setup episode by piling on the action.

- What's going on with Daniel here? He just appears to have no energy or interest in anything that's going on. He gets a great line though ("it's just a deep, bleeding gash").

- General Hammond and Teal'c flying through the gate is awesome, and his "YEEEHAAAW" is so unexpected! Loved it.

- Major Davis is set up to be something of an antagonist, and it felt a little forced to me. We've already had/got Samuels and Maybourne.

- Teal'c's little story isn't that exciting. His speech is a bit stereotypical "Jaffa unite" and it seems that only one person in the crowd is allowed to speak. The set looks wonderful.

- The action scenes are a big step up in terms of choreography and visual excitement.

RATING: 6 out of 10

Krisz
October 2nd, 2011, 05:44 PM
I've always liked this episode, a good start to the season, makes up for the boring first half as the season 2 ender. Plenty going on. Jack almost becoming a Goa'uld, his and our worst fear! :eek:

I just loved Jack's Monty Python 'Parrot sketch' inspired 'Ex Goddess' speech as he was buying time for the cavalry to arrive! Makes me chuckle every time. He mentioned at a convention that he likes British comedy, Monty Python amongst others.

Very satisfying when he throws Hathor into the cryogenic tank! Always interesting to see how he took comfort in Sam's arms as he recovered from the shock of having the snake burrow into his neck and having to fight it. It was the most vulnerable I recall seeing him in any episode.

'Yeeehaaa' has to be the most memorable Hammond moment in SG-1! I love the sheer glee on his face! :)

Jae'a
October 3rd, 2011, 06:36 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/12654.html)


I just loved Jack's Monty Python 'Parrot sketch' inspired 'Ex Goddess' speech as he was buying time for the cavalry to arrive! Makes me chuckle every time. He mentioned at a convention that he likes British comedy, Monty Python amongst others.
Stole my post! :P I noticed that too.
Bereft of life, she rests in peace. :D

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
October 3rd, 2011, 03:58 PM
Well, there we go, the beginning of change. This one was an average one (Bad for a finale/premiere, in my opinion).

So we saw a first generation Puddle Jumper. And we killed our first Goa'uld in the Series.

Looking at the credits at the end of the episode, Dan Shea is not the Stunt Coordinator for the series.

Tomorrow, some Goa'uld tricks some Earthlings that he's their god.

Starscape91
October 3rd, 2011, 05:52 PM
Good season opener. Got to see the General offworld and kicking butt, and Jack got implanted with a symbiote. Had a nice scene of Jack and Sam hugging. Overall a good episode.

Matt G
October 4th, 2011, 03:02 AM
5pm and another ep of SG1(yes I knew we were starting S2 but when I first saw this ep Sky 1 were running S2 and 3 back to back)

1. Forgot about the "not in the neck" line.

2. I do like the SG-Rescue squad but rewatching the ep after having seen

Makepeace turn out to be dodgy was slightly bittersweet.

3. YEE HAW!

4. That stasis chamber wasn't as deep as I remembered.

Solid ep.

syncline
October 6th, 2011, 04:59 PM
'Yeeehaaa' has to be the most memorable Hammond moment in SG-1! I love the sheer glee on his face! :)
:hammondanime01: I told someone that that's my favorite Hammond quote... and then I realized I'm not sure if it even counts as a quote. (Guess it depends on whether "YEE-HAA" counts as word.) :3

SaraBahama
October 6th, 2011, 08:12 PM
I just loved Jack's Monty Python 'Parrot sketch' inspired 'Ex Goddess' speech as he was buying time for the cavalry to arrive! Makes me chuckle every time. He mentioned at a convention that he likes British comedy, Monty Python amongst others.


Stole my post! :P I noticed that too.
Bereft of life, she rests in peace. :D

Haha! I can't tell you how thrilled I am that RDA sprinkled his love of Monty Python into SG. Did anyone else catch what tune he was humming in "Forsaken" (its at the fade-in while Carter is setting up the telescope)?

It's not pinin,' it's passed on! This parrot is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late parrot! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he would be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-PARROT!


Very satisfying when he throws Hathor into the cryogenic tank! Always interesting to see how he took comfort in Sam's arms as he recovered from the shock of having the snake burrow into his neck and having to fight it. It was the most vulnerable I recall seeing him in any episode.

He was pretty shaken during this. When he interrupts Hathor's bid to kill Carter, his protector nature comes charging out like a roaring lion. His posture after throwing Hathor in fairly sings with tension.


'Yeeehaaa' has to be the most memorable Hammond moment in SG-1! I love the sheer glee on his face! :)


:hammondanime01: I told someone that that's my favorite Hammond quote... and then I realized I'm not sure if it even counts as a quote. (Guess it depends on whether "YEE-HAA" counts as word.) :3

*misses Don* I love this part as well...for the same reason, thank Krisz & snycline.

jelgate
October 7th, 2011, 09:34 PM
For such a terrible season finale the bar was set pretty low for this one. And it exceeded all expectations. This one has a lot of good action of SG1 trying to escape Hathor's compound only to be thrwated with a huge energy shield. I love seeing how them team up to solve the problem of the energy shield and all the twists and turns this episode has. Although the Tok'ra spy was obvious since the start of the episode.

Yay for our first System Lord killing (Ra doesn't count.:P) and I love Hammond's dedication to freeing SG1 in the ship even if I do agree with Davis POV more

lookupwardsnshare
October 7th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Very satisfying when he throws Hathor into the cryogenic tank! Always interesting to see how he took comfort in Sam's arms as he recovered from the shock of having the snake burrow into his neck and having to fight it. It was the most vulnerable I recall seeing him in any episode.

This is one of my favorite scenes from the entire series! And I loved Gen Hammond in this episode....YEEEHAAAW!

dtheories
October 9th, 2011, 10:40 AM
I think this story really expresses the strong bond at the core of the SGC. Makepeace at the very outset skirting procedure to run from the 'gate room to find General Hammond to tell him about the Tok'ra news, and interacting with Walter ("He's in his office!") along the way.

They value each other and immediate obstacles were never going to keep them from fighting for each other. Not Major Davis and the Pentagon, not the villagers of Chulak, and not Hathor who tries to destroy Daniel's and Sam's will by making them watch Jack being implanted.

Hammond allows Teal'c to go offworld knowing he'll continue to try to save his friends and knowing this, Hammond supports him to ultimately find a way to fulfill his promise of reinforcements.

Jack provides most of the levity this go round, between his whole-bodied "Jaffa Kree!" causing the entire line of kneeling humans to glance over their shoulder in unison, to the pat on Daniel's head at the end. Yeehaw indeed.

Lieutenant Sparrow
October 14th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Blame Sanctuary season 3 for my long absence.

I watched this ep at the start of the month so it's kinda hard to remember everything. It was a huge improvement over season 2's finale. Great to see Hathor die. Hammonds classic YEEHAWWW always makes me laugh. Miss you Don.

Liked the towers popping out of the ground. Loved the old death glider. Really reminds you of the puddle jumper and darts.

lostmonkey70
October 20th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Great episode. Especially compared to the finale of season 2. Hathor dies, there's some great action, Hammond off world ignoring orders, and best of all he and Teal'q flying the Needle Threader/Puddle Jumper Mark I. Oh, and I forgot, Harriman marks his return since disappearing at the end of season 1/beginning of season 2.

garhkal
October 22nd, 2011, 08:23 PM
Liked the towers popping out of the ground. Loved the old death glider. Really reminds you of the puddle jumper and darts.

I wonder why we never saw those towers again..

muziqaz
October 23rd, 2011, 02:46 AM
liked this episode. suitable as season premier :)

Nut_ty
October 24th, 2011, 09:06 PM
I think this story really expresses the strong bond at the core of the SGC. Makepeace at the very outset skirting procedure to run from the 'gate room to find General Hammond to tell him about the Tok'ra news, and interacting with Walter ("He's in his office!") along the way.

They value each other and immediate obstacles were never going to keep them from fighting for each other. Not Major Davis and the Pentagon, not the villagers of Chulak, and not Hathor who tries to destroy Daniel's and Sam's will by making them watch Jack being implanted.

Hammond allows Teal'c to go offworld knowing he'll continue to try to save his friends and knowing this, Hammond supports him to ultimately find a way to fulfill his promise of reinforcements.

Jack provides most of the levity this go round, between his whole-bodied "Jaffa Kree!" causing the entire line of kneeling humans to glance over their shoulder in unison, to the pat on Daniel's head at the end. Yeehaw indeed.

I agree about the strong bond between members of the SGC. It's about family, SG-1 and the SGC as the extended family. SG-1 is an ensemble show. There are shows that are about the team, and others that highlight one or two characters. This episode highlights Jack and Sam. General Hammond steps out of his “Briefing Room” and out into the galaxy. His YEEEHAAAW! Is classic!

This season is the first with the “Giant Pharaoh Head” opening credits. I find this credit sequence to be boring! I like the other opening credits where they show clips from the show.

Matt G
October 25th, 2011, 07:57 AM
It wasn't the first season for me - on this side of the the Atlantic they used the Pharoh's Head credits from S1-S5 I think?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 25th, 2011, 10:51 AM
It wasn't the first season for me - on this side of the the Atlantic they used the Pharoh's Head credits from S1-S5 I think?

As I understand it, in general the DVD credits do not match the show credits, until about season 3 or 4.

ETA: according to commentary from season 4, the gold pharoah came from the movie.

Seaboe

LeftHandedGuitarist
October 25th, 2011, 11:02 AM
The original TV broadcasts of seasons 1-5 used the pharoah's head here in the UK. The original video releases used it too. It wasn't until I saw the DVD releases that I discovered there was a much more exciting clip-show opening.

jelgate
October 25th, 2011, 11:30 AM
The Pharoah head was in the Showtime airing of S1-S5 of SG1. When Sci-Fi got the rights their syndicated airings got the random clips opening with S6 got that brand new intro with Jonas

Dimes
December 22nd, 2011, 04:05 PM
Alright episode.
To be honest, the ending of season 2 and the start of season 3 was pretty bad.

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 11:42 AM
MUCH Better than the season finale of Season 2!
Best parts:
-A little Sam-N-Jack in there (waking her up, helping her hide, and The Hug)
-General Hammond offplanet and flying with...oh drat, was it Teal'c or Bray'tac?Anyway, have to agree that the 'Yeee-haaaww!' was great.

filter
November 15th, 2012, 02:11 PM
Hathor couldn't have been that much of a threat to the system lords if all she had was a single base and less then two dozen jaffa. Surely by the time she would have been in a strong enough position to take them on which would have taken several years at least, any information she would have gained from SG-1 would have been out of date

Anoobis
January 5th, 2013, 12:12 AM
I'm sad to see Aunt Hathy go that quickly. She should have lived until Season 8 at least, responsible for killing Anubis (my brother lol) and eventually joining the SG-1 team after getting possessed by a Tok'ra worm. :) Her death was not that epic as I had hoped, but it was still a great episode.

And then of course: Hammy will always be remembered for his cowboy yankee style scream. For me it's probably the best five seconds of Hammy ever seen on television. It's like if Hathy brought Hammy to his best acting levels ever in the whole SG-1 story arc. I keep remembering the first Hathy appearance when Hammy got badly infected by her love virus, and now this yeehawgasm. :)

Major Clanger
January 5th, 2013, 07:01 AM
Well, that was MUCH better than the first part.

Yee haw, brilliant.
The soldiers all on their knees turning as one to look when the gate started rumbling, and then later all hitting the deck when Jack started shooting.

And Makepeace. Brilliiant. I love him. He was very good at assessing the situation, getting intel and making his plans accordingly. Good, decisive leadership.

But... oh BOY. Their radio procedure is lousy. Makepeace answers with "SG3-9" which is fine, but then starts referring to (and Hammond is no better) the Stargate in plain speech. Naughty boys.

And handing Daniel the pistol. Seriously, Daniel MUST have had some weapon training by now: CHECK THE SAFETY (not to mention the casual way Makepeace handed it over)

It was very convenient that SG-3 brought exactly the right size of boots for Sam. :D

Bagpuss
January 5th, 2013, 07:10 AM
LOL about the boots.That's nothing.Even neater fit when S and J were wearing the beige suits they took away from Hathor's Scientists.Very handy.

Maybe it's Rule #1 of Screenwriting/Direction : Make sure both the Clobbered and Clobberers are a perfect match-up in advance.:D

Major Clanger
January 5th, 2013, 07:22 AM
it is a sensible precaution.

Now watching Seth which has reminded me of one of the things that drove me INSANE in Into the Fire.

When the SG rescue teams are mincing around trying to look soldierly... why they have to bunch up like that in defiance of everything their drill sergeant taught them I. Do. Not. Know.

And my recruit trainer dies a little bit every time I see stuff like that.

Bagpuss
January 5th, 2013, 07:28 AM
Have to say,I agree.The whole idea of basic and ongoing training is NOT to become an easy target for the enemy.

Stand around or clump together just for dramatic effect=get picked off.

fems
January 5th, 2013, 08:29 AM
LOL about the boots.That's nothing.Even neater fit when S and J were wearing the beige suits they took away from Hathor's Scientists.Very handy.

Maybe it's Rule #1 of Screenwriting/Direction : Make sure both the Clobbered and Clobberers are a perfect match-up in advance.:D

Well, to be fair the military personnel is all fit (well, those that go into the field at the SGC anyway) and so are most Goa'uld and their Jaffa most definitely. So, in that light I'd say clothes would probably fit fairly well, but boots are much more difficult! And I don't even remember if they had anything on their feet until SG-1 brought Sam boots?

Bagpuss
January 5th, 2013, 09:24 AM
I remembered them wearing white or beige shoes, so went looking for caps :)

Sam and Jack from Out of Mind (http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pid=65515#top_display_media)

"Raully" near end of Into the Fire (http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=54&pid=14527#top_display_media)

fems
January 5th, 2013, 01:57 PM
I remembered them wearing white or beige shoes, so went looking for caps :)

Sam and Jack from Out of Mind (http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pid=65515#top_display_media)

"Raully" near end of Into the Fire (http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=54&pid=14527#top_display_media)

Is it just me or don't those shoes even look alike? :P I know they didn't steal Raully's clothes/shoes but since the Goa'uld were all wearing the same standard outfits and Sam and Jack's shoes do look alike it's kind of odd... and again, very coincidental that they fit.

Bagpuss
January 5th, 2013, 06:39 PM
You're right.The shoes they're wearing are a different style altogether from the Trainers (boots?) Raully wore.:D

I'm going to go with "magic coincidence" as the reason why these pesky things like shoes are universally able to fit different characters.

*Waits for the Clanger to return and smack me for displaying sloppy logic*

Major Clanger
January 6th, 2013, 01:37 AM
*smacks Baggy for displaying sloppy logic*

on the other hand - meh. Who really cares? *runs away*

Falcon Horus
June 2nd, 2013, 03:22 PM
YEEEEE-HAAAAA!!!

General Hammond saving the day -- wonder what the President and the Joint Chiefs have to say about that. :p

Threading the needle... now, that's pulling some G's. :p

Ah, poor Teal'c though, trying to show his brothers and sisters how the goa'uld are pretending to be gods. Start small, my man, you'll get there. :)

I like this part better than OoM - possibly since this has actual story and isn't just a disguised clipshow.

And off goes Hathor... she's now an Ice Queen. :p

SF_and_Coffee
June 3rd, 2013, 07:52 AM
But OoM wasn't a "disguised clip show". The framework plot of OoM was a necessary set-up for ITF.

I will never understand why people see clips/flashbacks and immediately discount the episode they appear in as meaningless, rather than looking at the larger story they serve. To me, that would be like viewing an intricate stained-glass window and focusing only on the fact that it involves individual pieces of glass ("Ugh! Asymmetrical glass! It's broken; throw it in the trash!") rather than stepping back to appreciate the entire picture.

Falcon Horus
June 3rd, 2013, 08:37 AM
That's how my brain works... when I look at the stained glass window, I do see the different pieces and then I step back to see they are all pieces of a bigger picture. Doesn't mean I have to like it. ;)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
June 4th, 2013, 06:36 AM
I will never understand why people see clips/flashbacks and immediately discount the episode they appear in as meaningless, rather than looking at the larger story they serve.

I'm not seeing people discount the episode as meaningless; I'm seeing people disappointed that part of the time is wasted rehashing other shows in favor of new material specific to the plot of this one (whatever "this one" is).

I find clip shows less interesting because less time is devoted to the actual story being served.

Seaboe

foxkarate
February 9th, 2015, 06:01 AM
I thought that the Tokra spy was very good but don't remember her in other episodes and Doc Fraiser in Heroes episodes was told to never mention the whole Hathor thing.

hedwig
February 9th, 2015, 10:47 AM
I thought that the Tokra spy was very good but don't remember her in other episodes and Doc Fraiser in Heroes episodes was told to never mention the whole Hathor thing.

This was the only episode this Tok'ra spy was ever in.

I Am Not James Spader
May 4th, 2015, 08:08 AM
When the SGC opens the Stargate to contact the rescue party, Makepeace refers to SG-1 as "Sierra Gulf Team One".

Is that what SG-1 actually stands for? Or is Makepeace simply using a "spelling alphabet"?

I had always assumed that SG-1 was "Stargate (Team/Unit) One".

Janet Fraiser
May 4th, 2015, 10:50 AM
When the SGC opens the Stargate to contact the rescue party, Makepeace refers to SG-1 as "Sierra Gulf Team One".

Is that what SG-1 actually stands for? Or is Makepeace simply using a "spelling alphabet"?

I had always assumed that SG-1 was "Stargate (Team/Unit) One".

I think they use the NATO phonetic alphabet, which uses unique words to represent each letter and number. This reduces any confusion about the string of numbers or letters spoken over radio or any time it's crucial that the receiving party does not misunderstand the name or code transmitted.

I Am Not James Spader
May 4th, 2015, 11:37 AM
I think they use the NATO phonetic alphabet, which uses unique words to represent each letter and number. This reduces any confusion about the string of numbers or letters spoken over radio or any time it's crucial that the receiving party does not misunderstand the name or code transmitted.

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my original post - I do understand the NATO phonetic alphabet in that situation, however, the "SG" must stand for something, right?

SGC is Stargate Command, so they wouldn't identify themselves as "Sierra Golf Charlie". They'd say "Stargate Command".

So why use this particular dialogue rather than "Stargate Team One", or just "Team One"?

Does "SG" not mean "Stargate"?

hedwig
May 4th, 2015, 11:43 AM
Sorry, I should have been more clear in my original post - I do understand the NATO phonetic alphabet in that situation, however, the "SG" must stand for something, right?

SGC is Stargate Command, so they wouldn't identify themselves as "Sierra Golf Charlie". They'd say "Stargate Command".

So why use this particular dialogue rather than "Stargate Team One", or just "Team One"?

Does "SG" not mean "Stargate"?

Seems to me Jack has used the term "Sierra Gulf One" on one or two occasions when referring to SG1.

Janet Fraiser
May 4th, 2015, 01:19 PM
Sorry, I should have been more clear in my original post - I do understand the NATO phonetic alphabet in that situation, however, the "SG" must stand for something, right?

SGC is Stargate Command, so they wouldn't identify themselves as "Sierra Golf Charlie". They'd say "Stargate Command".

So why use this particular dialogue rather than "Stargate Team One", or just "Team One"?

Does "SG" not mean "Stargate"?

I guess that since SG-(number) is the actual name of each team, it would make sense to refer to them as such on the field instead of "Stargate Team (number)." Referring to them as SG-1, SG-5, etc. using normal language is also quicker, and I think for the sake of consistency they would spell out those same names using the spelling alphabet.

I haven't heard of the teams being called "Stargate (Team) One, Stargate Team Two, etc." so I don't think SG-1 is necessarily an abbreviation of another official name.

I don't know if this is related, but, if memory serves, in Proving Ground Jack referred to SGC as Sierra Golf Charlie when "finding out" about a foothold situation over radio. I'm not too sure when else they would have had to identify themselves as such. With regard to the different teams, not confusing the numbers might be important enough to warrant using the spelling alphabet through audio transmission.

Anyone can feel free to correct me. I have no background in this area.

Falcon Horus
May 4th, 2015, 01:21 PM
I have heard Jack refer to the team as Sierra Gulf, but not on too many occasions, and mostly when talking over the radio.

I Am Not James Spader
May 4th, 2015, 01:54 PM
I have heard Jack refer to the team as Sierra Gulf, but not on too many occasions, and mostly when talking over the radio.


I guess that since SG-(number) is the actual name of each team, it would make sense to refer to them as such on the field instead of "Stargate Team (number)." Referring to them as SG-1, SG-5, etc. using normal language is also quicker, and I think for the sake of consistency they would spell out those same names using the spelling alphabet.

I haven't heard of the teams being called "Stargate (Team) One, Stargate Team Two, etc." so I don't think SG-1 is necessarily an abbreviation of another official name.

I don't know if this is related, but, if memory serves, in Proving Ground Jack referred to SGC as Sierra Golf Charlie when "finding out" about a foothold situation over radio. I'm not too sure when else they would have had to identify themselves as such. With regard to the different teams, not confusing the numbers might be important enough to warrant using the spelling alphabet through audio transmission.

Anyone can feel free to correct me. I have no background in this area.

I don't understand the logic of that.

Why would O'Neill say "Sierra Golf Charlie" rather than just "Stargate Command"?

Stargate Command is only SGC for brevity. "Sierra Golf Charlie" is just as much to say as "Stargate Command".

Is there some real world military reason?

Lunaeclipse
May 4th, 2015, 02:11 PM
I have heard Jack refer to the team as Sierra Gulf, but not on too many occasions, and mostly when talking over the radio.

...Isn't that usually so that anyone who doesn't understand 'Military code' won't know what he is talking about

garhkal
May 4th, 2015, 02:14 PM
...Isn't that usually so that anyone who doesn't understand 'Military code' won't know what he is talking about

Yup. Also spelling things out phonetically is done to get rid of possible misunderstandings of words..

Lunaeclipse
May 4th, 2015, 02:19 PM
Yup. Also spelling things out phonetically is done to get rid of possible misunderstandings of words..

Thank you. I didn't know that. That makes a lot of sense.. .

KayLyne
May 4th, 2015, 02:54 PM
they also do a bit of the "sierra golf" phonetic radio calls towards the end of Stargate: Continuum when Sam, Daniel & Mitchell are flying to get to the backup stargate in Russia. It seems that they do the NATO phonetic calls in episodes where there may be more than one SG team involved, or when there may be others listening in.

Janet Fraiser
May 4th, 2015, 03:11 PM
I don't understand the logic of that.

Why would O'Neill say "Sierra Golf Charlie" rather than just "Stargate Command"?

Stargate Command is only SGC for brevity. "Sierra Golf Charlie" is just as much to say as "Stargate Command".

Is there some real world military reason?

He's saying it over radio, so clarity? SGC might just be the agreed upon name to use in such situations. To be honest, I haven't paid attention to the times they've said "Stargate Command" while someone is off-world or talking through a transmission. It sounds a bit drawn out to me, anyway.

Also, he was trying (well, faking) to be cryptic about it in front of the potential recruits, who deduced Sierra Golf Charlie to mean SGC. I don't know what protocol would really have been in that situation (relaying info about a foothold with a trusted source), but maybe in that instance it was for the sake of piquing the recruits' interest as part of the game plan.

I Am Not James Spader
May 4th, 2015, 03:42 PM
He's saying it over radio, so clarity? SGC might just be the agreed upon name to use in such situations. To be honest, I haven't paid attention to the times they've said "Stargate Command" while someone is off-world or talking through a transmission. It sounds a bit drawn out to me, anyway.

Also, he was trying (well, faking) to be cryptic about it in front of the potential recruits, who deduced Sierra Golf Charlie to mean SGC. I don't know what protocol would really have been in that situation (relaying info about a foothold with a trusted source), but maybe in that instance it was for the sake of piquing the recruits' interest as part of the game plan.

I haven't got to that episode yet, so I'm not understanding the context.

However, can you clarify just what exactly "SG-1" actually means?

Is it ever stated in the show (no spoilers please) what it stands for?

I have always assumed "SG" is "Stargate".*Certainly, the letters weren't chosen randomly by the producers. ;)

Janet Fraiser
May 4th, 2015, 03:54 PM
I haven't got to that episode yet, so I'm not understanding the context.

However, can you clarify just what exactly "SG-1" actually means?

Is it ever stated in the show (no spoilers please) what it stands for?

I have always assumed "SG" is "Stargate".*Certainly, the letters weren't chosen randomly by the producers. ;)

Oh, whoops, I didn't realize you hadn't seen it yet.

I always assumed "SG-1" meant something like "StarGate (Team) One" without there actually being a longer name than SG-1. It seemed like a name that only referred to the word "Stargate" but didn't officially stand for it - like you wouldn't find it written out like that anywhere. Who knows for sure, though? I don't believe this is ever clarified in the show.

However, I've found this old post (http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/30385-What-does-the-SG-in-Sg-1-stand-for?p=5464576&viewfull=1#post5464576), which you might want to look into further if you're interested.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
May 5th, 2015, 06:59 AM
Actually, they'd use Sierra Golf Charlie over the radio because it's easy to misunderstand letters alone (I've had people think I was saying D instead of T, and F instead of S over the phone). So things are spelled out.

Seaboe

garhkal
May 5th, 2015, 01:44 PM
Actually, they'd use Sierra Golf Charlie over the radio because it's easy to misunderstand letters alone (I've had people think I was saying D instead of T, and F instead of S over the phone). So things are spelled out.

Seaboe

Which is what i said.. As a Mil communicator we use the Phonetic alphabet for clarity. I have lost count of the # of times watching Wheel of Fortune and thinking i heard someone call an "S" and thought they said "F". Or a T and thought they said B or D..

Janet Fraiser
May 5th, 2015, 04:59 PM
Actually, they'd use Sierra Golf Charlie over the radio because it's easy to misunderstand letters alone (I've had people think I was saying D instead of T, and F instead of S over the phone). So things are spelled out.

Seaboe


Which is what i said.. As a Mil communicator we use the Phonetic alphabet for clarity. I have lost count of the # of times watching Wheel of Fortune and thinking i heard someone call an "S" and thought they said "F". Or a T and thought they said B or D..

I think I Am Not James Spader was wondering why they would say "SGC" (Sierra Golf Charlie) instead of "Stargate Command," for which I don't have a clear answer except that I rarely hear the base referred to as "Stargate Command," so it may have to do with consistency.

Lunaeclipse
May 5th, 2015, 05:53 PM
I think I Am Not James Spader was wondering why they would say "SGC" (Sierra Golf Charlie) instead of "Stargate Command," for which I don't have a clear answer except that I rarely hear the base referred to as "Stargate Command," so it may have to do with consistency.

How often do we hear it being called 'Stargate Command"? ... It's a thing because of the patches... but do they just not use it enough for some of us to notice?

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Stargate_Command

Janet Fraiser
May 5th, 2015, 06:02 PM
How often do we hear it being called 'Stargate Command"? ... It's a thing because of the patches... but do they just not use it enough for some of us to notice?

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Stargate_Command

Like I said, I hardly recall hearing it. I'd prefer hearing "SGC" any day. Besides, "Sierra Golf Charlie" just sounds more normal to me when communicated over radio than "Stargate Command" would.

Lunaeclipse
May 5th, 2015, 06:05 PM
Like I said, I hardly recall hearing it. I'd prefer hearing "SGC" any day. Besides, "Sierra Golf Charlie" just sounds more normal to me when communicated over radio than "Stargate Command" would.

I think I remember hearing General Hammond call it SGC, but I'm not sure...

Anja
September 11th, 2015, 04:34 AM
One of the best eps for me - Hammond not by the book and at his best!!!

maneth
November 27th, 2015, 09:40 PM
Great start to the season.

Manche
November 10th, 2017, 01:45 AM
A great start of the season, I like the big rescue mission of different SG teams the most.

One question. What do you think how many members of these four teams died during this mission?

Falcon Horus
January 17th, 2018, 03:17 PM
Ahead of my rewatch schedule, but I have a feeling I'm going to be behind again soon enough with the extra work that's been coming my way lately (late nights).

Anyhow, this is so much better than its first half. Action-packed, edge-of-your-seat stuff, and General Hammond to the rescue. SG-1 in trouble and fellow SG-teams stepping up the plate to rescue their own, knowing they could die in the process. The SGC is like one big unit -- Major Davis has a point too when he mentions how many more will have to die for SG-1 but I nevertheless feel like punching him in the face right that moment.

Powerful Teal'c hoping his fellow Jaffa will finally see that Apophis is a false god but alas, such travesty is not to be taken at value. Long way to go still, but you'll get there, my man.

Bra'tac kicking butt. Hammond threading the needle (Reminded of Poe Dameron in that Tie-Fighter: "Wow, this thing moves") and lots of cool explosions.

How would you rate SG-1's "Into the Fire?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
January 21st, 2018, 04:47 AM
We had a deal FH. Only 3 episodes a week and no more grave robbing. I will concede on only one of those points. This episode is the exact opposite of the previous one. It's very action packed we everyone running around and I especially like Hammond and Tealc with their gateship. Wish we saw that again. It's a good

Falcon Horus
January 21st, 2018, 06:53 AM
Only 3 episodes a week...

I have a major project in the works the coming weeks -- It'll be a miracle when I don't fall behind with these 3 episodes a week.

jelgate
January 21st, 2018, 07:18 AM
So we go back to grave robbing?

Falcon Horus
January 21st, 2018, 07:49 AM
No grave robbing this time.... :p

Falcon Horus
January 22nd, 2018, 02:18 PM
Dropping the 3-episode quiz (Into The Fire, Seth & Fair Game) (https://goo.gl/forms/WbjQUzY44Jeq4RlD2) today and the jigsaw puzzle for Into The Fire (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=Z5NRNW4G).

jelgate
January 24th, 2018, 04:45 PM
5 minutes and 21 seconds

Falcon Horus
January 26th, 2018, 12:10 PM
Took me a little under a minute longer to solve it: 6:04.

Platschu
August 27th, 2018, 09:49 AM
3x01 Into the fire
Carter said she can’t feel the presence of Goa’uld in O’Neill, but Hathor was also in the room.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x01/01.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=http://kepek.csillagkapu.hu/hiba/3x01/02.jpg
My comment : Maybe Hathor arrived later or her presence can’t be felt if she was invisible, what could work like a transphase technology.

BethHG
August 27th, 2018, 06:41 PM
7:49

Platschu
August 28th, 2018, 03:13 AM
I really loved the "Goa'uld gateship" concept in this episode. So it is not impossible that such things happened in the Milky Way in the past. Hmmm.....

Who Knows
September 18th, 2018, 07:05 AM
11.04

hedwig
September 24th, 2018, 09:04 PM
6:09 and 13/15

lunasera
December 6th, 2018, 09:29 PM
5.51 - Got hung up in the beginning! Sometimes it feels like it takes so long just to move the pieces out of the way lol.

I thought this was a solid two parter - love that Hammond goes himself when he isn't allowed to send anyone - probably not exactly in line with orders :) Also it was a nice shock moment the first time when the Gould goes into Jack

Falcon Horus
December 10th, 2018, 01:49 AM
5.51 - Got hung up in the beginning! Sometimes it feels like it takes so long just to move the pieces out of the way lol.

I find that the smaller one's screen the harder it gets to get the pieces off to one side.

hedwig
August 20th, 2019, 12:39 PM
This episode was on Comet TV last night, and I found myself wondering who gave Carter the camo outfit she was wearing after hooking up with Colonel Makepeace's group. She was wearing a white outfit just like the one Jack was wearing earlier, and then she was wearing the camo outfit, complete with vest and boots and so forth. Made me wonder if they carried extra outfits with them or if someone gave up theirs for her to wear. ;) :o :) :D :D

Falcon Horus
August 21st, 2019, 02:02 AM
This episode was on Comet TV last night, and I found myself wondering who gave Carter the camo outfit she was wearing after hooking up with Colonel Makepeace's group. She was wearing a white outfit just like the one Jack was wearing earlier, and then she was wearing the camo outfit, complete with vest and boots and so forth. Made me wonder if they carried extra outfits with them or if someone gave up theirs for her to wear. ;) :o :) :D :D

LOL!! Things like that...

Can you imagine someone having to switch clothes with her. :p
Who's it going to be boys?!