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tara3583
June 14th, 2004, 09:18 AM
Gateworld has a bit of news about Amanda wanting to direct an episode in s8.

Amanda tells scifi wire that she is begging
tptb to give her the chance to direct again.

I hope they give her that chance as she did
such a fantastic job that got her a nomination
for her efforts!

Hatusu
June 18th, 2004, 03:36 PM
I agree. She did a terrific job, and from what I've seen and heard about her, she's a real team player. It would be interesting to see her style develop.

Anubis
June 19th, 2004, 05:47 AM
I remember reading somewhere that she said after shes finished with acting, but she'll still appear in the odd things she wants to be a director

PYRO
June 19th, 2004, 10:43 AM
She has already Directed a episode? Which one?

bcmilco
June 19th, 2004, 10:50 AM
She directed s7 Resurrection.

Anubis
June 19th, 2004, 10:51 AM
Good directing, not so good story

Elwe Singollo
June 19th, 2004, 10:57 AM
I thought it was a good story, but placed wrong in the season.

PYRO
June 19th, 2004, 11:02 AM
Ah the one with the Hybrid, meh, I dident think it was that bad-bad, I thought of it as not that entertianing-bad.

Elwe Singollo
June 19th, 2004, 11:04 AM
I thought it was... more of 'getting to know more' about things, and the little talk between Carter and that dude (i forgot his name) about going out on a date, it was pretty funny..

Bagpuss
June 19th, 2004, 02:33 PM
Count me in for supporting another AT Directing stint too,folks ! :D

(You're thinking of N.I.D. Agent Malcolm Barrett,lmj . :D )

attennis
June 19th, 2004, 02:58 PM
I agree with many other people on here in that the directing was great, but the story behind it wasn't so hot. Does anyone know if this is the first thing ever she has directed, or has she had previous experience?

Elwe Singollo
June 19th, 2004, 03:16 PM
You guys are dissing MS! I think (well maybe it wouldn't really change much) if they placed the episode before all these dramatic things happened, such as Heros p1, Heros p2, etc, it would maybe have a different effect on some people. But thats what i think... ;)

bcmilco
June 19th, 2004, 03:23 PM
Overall, I thought the directing was more impressive then the story for Resurrection. Loved the teaser which is actually all one shot. Also the End was a nice pull back/reveal. Loved the way she used Daniel's glasses in the middle.

Just some really well shot/blocked scenes.

So yes I hope she gets to direct again.

I doubt this is the first thing she's ever directed, however AFAIK it's the first thing she's directed that "counts". ;)

bcmilco
June 19th, 2004, 03:42 PM
You guys are dissing MS!

No actually I'm criticizing a story that I didn't like. Just because MS wrote it doesn't mean I don't like MS. I think he's a very talented actor.


I think (well maybe it wouldn't really change much) if they placed the episode before all these dramatic things happened, such as Heros p1, Heros p2, etc, it would maybe have a different effect on some people. But thats what i think... ;)

IMO the placement of the episode had no effect on how much I liked the episode, I watched it 3(?) times and I still wasn't impressed with the story. It did have some nice moments, (Teal'c/Dr. Lee especially) but it just didn't do much for me.

On topic... I hope they don't make Amanda beg too much. ;)

D.C.
June 19th, 2004, 04:09 PM
Maybe she could direct an Atlantis episode. She might have more time to prep and she wouldn't have to be in it. :)

majorsal
June 19th, 2004, 07:20 PM
You guys are dissing MS! I think (well maybe it wouldn't really change much) if they placed the episode before all these dramatic things happened, such as Heros p1, Heros p2, etc, it would maybe have a different effect on some people. But thats what i think... ;)

I, too, think Amanda did a good job with a so-so ep, but it wasn't MS's fault it was so-so. Other writers tweaked his script.

Sally :)

Elwe Singollo
June 19th, 2004, 08:45 PM
...I watched it 3(?) timesGoodness, three times?! Haha, even i didn't watch the episodes that much, and i actually think the episode was good.

Elwe Singollo
June 19th, 2004, 08:46 PM
I, too, think Amanda did a good job with a so-so ep, but it wasn't MS's fault it was so-so. Other writers tweaked his script.

Sally :)Oh i forgot those editing editors!!! Yah, i bet if they didn't change MS's original (assuming that they did) it would have been alot better. Amanda, she is just multi-talented :) Love her :)

Madeleine
June 19th, 2004, 09:58 PM
You guys are dissing MS!

Not really. He's publically credited as The Writer for this ep, and criticism of an eps' writing and plotting has always been fair game, not 'dissing'.

Even if he was here reading the thread, he'd have no cause to take it personally as the storyline was given to him to write up, and others tweaked the end result. But even if it was entirely his 'fault' that the episode was not one that everyone liked, it's no biggie. This was his first script, and he's already proved that he's an amazingly talented actor, and he pulled off his first directing job with much honour.

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AFAIK Amanda has been asking for years to direct, and when she got her chance it was only because she got it in her contract, and even then it was virtually the last ep she could possibly have been given. And when she does get her chance, she does the job well enough... even discounting the praise she has got here from fans, TPTB themselves obviously thought she did a very good job, cos *they* nominated her for the Leo.

So why do you nominate someone for an award for directing and then refuse to let them direct again? It makes no sense.

It's not like it's an unreasonable request. Actors are forever becoming directors, it seems like quite a natural progression for some. MS tried it, and good as he was he decided it wasn't for him and didn't ask again; that's not uncommon, many actors try it once to see how it is. Amanda was forced to show a great deal more persistence before she got her chance, and having done it and chosen to do it again it might be that she's seriously wanting Directing as a career option. Stargate SG-1 won't go on forever, so if she wants to move into directing after that, it would be nice for her to have more than just one credit to her name.

A few years ago Amanda said she suspected that the reason Michael got to direct in s4 and she didn't was because of gender. Who know's if that was so - but Michael has been allowed to direct, pitch and write, CJ has pitched and written a few times now, and both are being allowed to pitch and/or write in s8; why is Amanda not getting similar opportunities for career progression? There's no logic.

Elwe Singollo
June 20th, 2004, 12:34 AM
Not really. He's publically credited as The Writer for this ep, and criticism of an eps' writing and plotting has always been fair game, not 'dissing'.
I've gotten the idea it wasn't after a few people have said the samething :)

bcmilco
June 20th, 2004, 01:08 AM
A few years ago Amanda said she suspected that the reason Michael got to direct in s4 and she didn't was because of gender. Who know's if that was so - but Michael has been allowed to direct, pitch and write, CJ has pitched and written a few times now, and both are being allowed to pitch and/or write in s8; why is Amanda not getting similar opportunities for career progression? There's no logic.

That's very depressing, now I want her to direct again just on principle, damnit!

Elwe Singollo
June 20th, 2004, 01:13 AM
Yah, that word.. 'depressing' does describe that perfectly... :( *Shock*

Anubis
June 20th, 2004, 04:50 AM
lol Depressing certainly suits that. And what difference does gender have? :D

Tok'Ra Hostess
June 20th, 2004, 05:38 AM
***

AFAIK Amanda has been asking for years to direct, and when she got her chance it was only because she got it in her contract, and even then it was virtually the last ep she could possibly have been given. And when she does get her chance, she does the job well enough... even discounting the praise she has got here from fans, TPTB themselves obviously thought she did a very good job, cos *they* nominated her for the Leo.

So why do you nominate someone for an award for directing and then refuse to let them direct again? It makes no sense.

<snip>

A few years ago Amanda said she suspected that the reason Michael got to direct in s4 and she didn't was because of gender. Who know's if that was so - but Michael has been allowed to direct, pitch and write, CJ has pitched and written a few times now, and both are being allowed to pitch and/or write in s8; why is Amanda not getting similar opportunities for career progression? There's no logic.

Perhaps this billboard might shed some light onto the situation....

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Click on 'Our latest Anti-Film Industry billboard'

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petzke_42
June 21st, 2004, 11:21 AM
OMG...why does everything have to be "I didn't get to _____________, because I am a (woman, african american, alien...whatever)?"

I am a white male, and take it from me...us "white males" (because, good lord we stick together as much as possible :S ) don't get more opportunities, sometimes we even get less.

Elwe Singollo
June 21st, 2004, 11:25 AM
Now a days, colleges would take an asian over an african american or a caucasian, because the colleges want diversity, but i don't see why AT is begging, when she should have the same opportunity as her other cast members have had.

Bagpuss
June 21st, 2004, 01:33 PM
OMG...why does everything have to be "I didn't get to _____________, because I am a (woman, african american, alien...whatever)?"
I am a white male, and take it from me...us "white males" (because, good lord we stick together as much as possible :S ) don't get more opportunities, sometimes we even get less.

Sorry, Petzke, but you're not presenting much of an argument .
White males make up the majority of film,tv,and theatre PTB's.
If you just don't want AT to direct again,then just state that POV .

I want AT to direct again,based on what I felt were her competent methods.
No problem,IMO,if others don't want that....all opinions are equal here ! :cool:

Bagpuss
June 21st, 2004, 02:26 PM
And what difference does gender have? :D
Good point really !
To be honest,if AT hadn't shown real ability in her first stint,I wouldn't be keen for her to get another chance,...maybe I'm weird,but,to me,her gender is irrelevant. :D

Anthro Girl
June 21st, 2004, 06:08 PM
AT did a great job with her first directing stint. To be nominated for any award is an honor and she should be very proud. As it turned out, Andy Mikita (who has moved up from Asst. Director over the years himself) took the Leo for Heroes, Pt. 2. As far as directing goes, I would have found that a hard one to call between the two of those eps alone, much less the other eps that were nominated. I thought AT's direction was just brilliant, especially the opening tracking shot and especially considering that she had to be in it! Of course, an episode is a team effort and the SG production team is top notch, but as director it all rests on her shoulders and she did a great job.

(not sure if this is a spoiler for Season 7, Resurrection):
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Personally, I liked the story. The only problem I had with Resurrection was the over-the-top performance of the Evil Keffler. It wasn't enough that he was a brilliant scientist with some moral deficiencies (a common enough plot device in and of itself), but he had to be the son of a Nazi just to make sure everybody GOT IT...(d'oh...thunk self over head with blunt object). Annoying to me, but not enough to sink the episode entirely.

Madeleine
June 21st, 2004, 09:26 PM
OMG...why does everything have to be "I didn't get to _____________, because I am a (woman, african american, alien...whatever)?"

I am a white male, and take it from me...us "white males" (because, good lord we stick together as much as possible :S ) don't get more opportunities, sometimes we even get less.

So you feel that your gender and colour have at times disadvantaged you? You've had fewer opportunities? That's very unfortunate, I do feel for you, just as I feel for Amanda.

keshou
June 21st, 2004, 09:44 PM
AT did a great job with her first directing stint. To be nominated for any award is an honor and she should be very proud. As it turned out, Andy Mikita (who has moved up from Asst. Director over the years himself) took the Leo for Heroes, Pt. 2. As far as directing goes, I would have found that a hard one to call between the two of those eps alone, much less the other eps that were nominated. I thought AT's direction was just brilliant, especially the opening tracking shot and especially considering that she had to be in it!

Actually, the nominees for best director for dramatic series were:

Richard Martin - Da Vinci's Inquest - 25 Dollar Conversation
Brad Turner - Human Cargo - Part 5
Andy Mikita - Stargate SG-1 - Heroes Part 2
Amanda Tapping - Stargate SG-1 - Resurrection
Michael Robinson - The Collector - The Roboticist

and the winner was:
2004 Award: Best Direction in a Dramatic Series
Program: The Collector - The Roboticist
Recipient(s): Michael Robison

http://www.leoawards.com/index.php?page=winnerslist&year=2004

So although both Andy Mikita and Amanda Tapping were nominated, neither won. Although it's great that both were nominated!

I know very little about directing but if they can fit it into the schedule and Amanda wants to do it, seems like they should give her another shot. It may just be difficult with the compressed shooting schedule. She's probably more valuable to them in front of the camera than she is behind the camera, especially since she would need *some* time off for prep work on the episode.

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Anthro Girl
June 21st, 2004, 10:11 PM
So although both Andy Mikita and Amanda Tapping were nominated, neither won. Although it's great that both were nominated!


Whoops! You're right. I must have rocks in my eyes. :D

In any case, I liked the episode. At least she's proved that she can deliver and that she liked doing it. I hope there is more directing in her future, on this or any other project.

petzke_42
June 21st, 2004, 10:43 PM
Sorry, Petzke, but you're not presenting much of an argument .
White males make up the majority of film,tv,and theatre PTB's.
If you just don't want AT to direct again,then just state that POV .



I don't think you got my point...read it again :p

In any case, I don't really care either way if she gets to direct. She did a fine job last time, so if she gets to, great; but if she doesn't...oh well.

Elwe Singollo
June 21st, 2004, 10:52 PM
She still has a chance to direct on Atlantis if she doesn't get the chance on SG1 :)

Anubis
June 21st, 2004, 11:27 PM
Right, she did say she wanted to direct a episode of Atlantis in a interview

bcmilco
June 22nd, 2004, 12:29 AM
I have a friend who teaches, he's married.
Both are history teachers...
He's a white male
and she's a minority and female
He went to a state university
She went to a state college
He's working on his doctorate
She has an MA
He couldn't get a job anywhere
She was getting offers left and right

I think that's just as wrong as not letting Amanda direct because she's a woman.

Elwe Singollo
June 22nd, 2004, 12:40 AM
Isn't any kind of discrimination to hire or not to hire illegal? (or that only when firing someone)

Bagpuss
June 22nd, 2004, 01:44 AM
I don't think you got my point...read it again :p
In any case, I don't really care either way if she gets to direct. She did a fine job last time, so if she gets to, great; but if she doesn't...oh well.

Whether ,or not, I "got your point", in your previous post, is actually irrelevant.As I said, "all opinions are equal" ! :D
So :p to you too ! (Friendly :p ,as this time you did state some views supporting AT's directing another episode ! ;) )

I'd ask if you want a truce,but as far as I'm concerned,we don't have a problem !

If you feel that sometimes you've suffered through being born white and male,that's a fair example of being discriminated against,IMO .So much for "Equality" ! :(

Bagpuss
June 22nd, 2004, 01:55 AM
Isn't any kind of discrimination to hire or not to hire illegal? (or that only when firing someone)

Sad to say,there are all kinds of "discrimination " alive and flourishing in all walks of life ,lmj .
Some are legal, and some are not....too many grey areas,legally ,IMO. :(
Not good when prejudice takes control of decision-making,and ideally it shouldn't happen .
End of sermon ! ;)

(I'm wondering if this issue might be better discussed in a new Thread in off-Topic,really, as I don't really think it's just about AT/PTB anymore ? :S )

Crazedwraith
June 22nd, 2004, 03:26 AM
Isn't any kind of discrimination to hire or not to hire illegal? (or that only when firing someone)
I don't know but even if it is there's no way you can prove someone didn't hire you because of prejudice etc. So innocnet until proven guility means they'd likely get off the hook.

Bagpuss
June 22nd, 2004, 03:53 AM
You are so right CW,...and that sucks. I know several people who were passed over for promotion,or just not employed at all, because of their age,sex,disability,or ,in my own case,because: "You'll want too much time off to look after your children".
Unfounded "fears" but they still wouldn't even consider me, on those grounds alone.(I found a far better job soon after,so maybe they did me a favour ! ;) )

Very difficult to fight back against verbal discrimination,or outright bigotry,IMO. :(

Skydiver
June 22nd, 2004, 04:49 AM
Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
A few years ago Amanda said she suspected that the reason Michael got to direct in s4 and she didn't was because of gender. Who know's if that was so - but Michael has been allowed to direct, pitch and write, CJ has pitched and written a few times now, and both are being allowed to pitch and/or write in s8; why is Amanda not getting similar opportunities for career progression? There's no logic.


Personally.....i don't think MS being a male had anything to do with him getting to direct first.

By that point in s5, the fact that he wasn't happy on the show was pretty well known. To me, all you have to do is watch how the characters interact in s5 to see that they seemed to be burnt out, all in all rather down and seemingly just waiting for it to be over so they could go home.

In an effort to make MS feel better about himself and his role on the show, we had some daniel centric eps (which just happened to fall at the end of the season) and he was given a chance to direct.

both he and amanda had expressed the wish to direct, they only ended up with one eps they could 'risk' on an untried directior, and i personally feel he was chosen over her because he was the most unhappy and she was likely teh most agreeable about being told no. (my personal feelings)

Beyond that, i'm not going to speculate on what may or may not have happened, but many things that happened in s5, happened because one individual was unhappy and they were trying to do what they could to make him happy just like any good employer and group of friends would do

It's probably a comperable situation to why Corin was permitted to write Fallout. Writing that eps was a contractural obligation and was, most likely, part of his severance package. (basically, 'we're not gonna pick you up for s7' 'ok, fine, but i want to write and guest star in one eps' 'ok' )

It's just like both MS and CJ were guaranteed, in writing, the right to write an eps in s7.

Most likely the only reason amanda is 'begging' is because she doesn't have the 'directing clause' in her contract guaranteeing her the right so they don't have to give it to her. They can choose.

the hard thing about having her direct, she's, basically, one of 3 stars of the show, and to give her a sam lite eps to direct, she needs the cooperation of the writers to first write a sam lite eps. plus the cooperation of the other directors to give her the time off in preceeding weeks to prepare

In season 5, they had the luxury of writing ms out, not only of double jeopardy, but entity as well, to give him time to prepare. She didn't have that luxury since they're now taping 2-4 eps at once and she's in all/most of them. to direct Resurrection, she had to work her normal 14 hour days in addition to preparing

Part of thier concerns and possible reasons for not giving her the go ahead right now is that she's needed to play sam instead of directing.


I really hope that they give her another chance, but time will tell. I do personally feel, if she doesn't get to direct in s8, it's probably a pretty good bet she'll get to direct atlantis if she wishes

Bagpuss
June 22nd, 2004, 05:26 AM
I read your Post with great interest, Skydiver,and I think it's the most likely rationale to explain the whole situation ,for me anyway ! :D

Not trying to diss Madeleine.I appreciated her POVs,(and everyone else's )too !

I didn't think it came down to only gender/minority stuff anyway,but the Thread kinda drifted ! :o

*Sigh*
Maybe I should have started that new Thread I was babbling about earlier !
Or maybe not...tricky subject,"Discrimination",IMO. :S

GateGipsy
June 22nd, 2004, 07:03 AM
Personally.....i don't think MS being a male had anything to do with him getting to direct first.

By that point in s5, the fact that he wasn't happy on the show was pretty well known. To me, all you have to do is watch how the characters interact in s5 to see that they seemed to be burnt out, all in all rather down and seemingly just waiting for it to be over so they could go home.

In an effort to make MS feel better about himself and his role on the show, we had some daniel centric eps (which just happened to fall at the end of the season) and he was given a chance to direct.
That is an interesting hypothesis Skydiver, and one I could almost give credence - except that Michael didn't direct an episode at the end of Season 5. The only time he has directed an episode is in Season 4.



both he and amanda had expressed the wish to direct, they only ended up with one eps they could 'risk' on an untried directior, and i personally feel he was chosen over her because he was the most unhappy and she was likely teh most agreeable about being told no. (my personal feelings)
yes, that is perfect grounds for proving that Michael is unagreeable etc ;) except that he didn't direct at the end of S5 but at the end of Season 4.

I would be interested though to know why you think that Double J was an episode that they could 'risk' on an untried director - it seemed to me a far more complicated episode from a production point of view (two SG1's) than most other episodes they did in Season 4. But I know that you have experience in this side of things that I don't have so have a greater insight into how the business works.

keshou
June 22nd, 2004, 07:16 AM
Edited to add: I was typing at the same time as GateGipsy and hadn't read her remarks before I posted. Sorry. My post seems kind of redundant now.



Personally.....i don't think MS being a male had anything to do with him getting to direct first.

By that point in s5, the fact that he wasn't happy on the show was pretty well known. To me, all you have to do is watch how the characters interact in s5 to see that they seemed to be burnt out, all in all rather down and seemingly just waiting for it to be over so they could go home.
Actually it was season 4 -- MS directed "Double Jeopardy". Nobody seemed burned out in S4 to me although it's certainly possible that even in S4 they were aware he was becoming unhappy and wanted to give him some new challenges. I agree that I'm not sure MS being a male had anything to do with him getting to direct first but I do recall reading somewhere that AT made a comment that implied *she* thought so. Wish I could remember where it was.


In an effort to make MS feel better about himself and his role on the show, we had some daniel centric eps (which just happened to fall at the end of the season) and he was given a chance to direct.

both he and amanda had expressed the wish to direct, they only ended up with one eps they could 'risk' on an untried directior, and i personally feel he was chosen over her because he was the most unhappy and she was likely teh most agreeable about being told no. (my personal feelings)

Beyond that, i'm not going to speculate on what may or may not have happened, but many things that happened in s5, happened because one individual was unhappy and they were trying to do what they could to make him happy just like any good employer and group of friends would do
I don't feel I know enough about the situation (since I wasn't there) to agree or disagree. I sometimes get the feeling lots of you guys have had personal chats with insiders that the rest of us aren't privy to. :confused:


Most likely the only reason amanda is 'begging' is because she doesn't have the 'directing clause' in her contract guaranteeing her the right so they don't have to give it to her. They can choose.

the hard thing about having her direct, she's, basically, one of 3 stars of the show, and to give her a sam lite eps to direct, she needs the cooperation of the writers to first write a sam lite eps. plus the cooperation of the other directors to give her the time off in preceeding weeks to prepare

I agree, as I said in my post above, I think AT is more valuable to them in front of the camera than behind it, especially since they only have three full-time actors to use with a very compressed shooting schedule. If I were RCC I would be hesitating as well. Perhaps AT should have negotiated into her season 8 contract a deal to direct a season 2 Atlantis episode (assuming it gets picked up). SG-1 will be over and she could really concentrate on the job.



In season 5, they had the luxury of writing ms out, not only of double jeopardy, but entity as well, to give him time to prepare. She didn't have that luxury since they're now taping 2-4 eps at once and she's in all/most of them. to direct Resurrection, she had to work her normal 14 hour days in addition to preparing

Being anal again here, but it was season 4 and MS was written out of "Prodigy". I don't know much about directing but "Double Jeopardy", on the face of it, appeared to be a much more challenging episode to direct than "Resurrection". MS did appear in "Entity" which I believe was actually the last episode filmed in season 4. I recall the DVD commentary talking about how tired they all were because it was the last show of the year. Note it wasn't the last show aired.



I really hope that they give her another chance, but time will tell. I do personally feel, if she doesn't get to direct in s8, it's probably a pretty good bet she'll get to direct atlantis if she wishes

I hope so too. Michael Greenburg, etc. were very complimentary of her abilities as a director on the DVD Director Series so I feel she has a good shot.

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GateGipsy
June 22nd, 2004, 07:32 AM
Yes, it was Prodigy that Michael Shanks was written out of in Season 4 - this was to allow him to direct, since that was the episode he was scheduled to do. Much to Michael's surprise - he talked at length about this at SG4 - he was given Double J to do instead. Since he didn't enjoy the experience at all I doubt we'll be seeing him directing any other episodes.

hrh36
June 22nd, 2004, 08:15 AM
OMG...why does everything have to be "I didn't get to _____________, because I am a (woman, african american, alien...whatever)?"

I am a white male, and take it from me...us "white males" (because, good lord we stick together as much as possible :S ) don't get more opportunities, sometimes we even get less.

You're making generalizations from a specific case. And this particular case won't support your generalization. :(

In this case, the facts are that both MS and AT asked to direct as early as S3:

* MS got his shot in S4.
* AT did not get her shot until the very last episode of S7 -- and only then because she had it in her contract.

Sooo, the facts in this case show a discrepancy between cast members being allowed to direct.

Whether or not it has to do with gender is supposition on anyone's part, even AT's, but there are a darn lot of white males writing, directing and showrunnning in the SG universe.

NOTE: A woman has not written an ep of SG since SEASON 3! (Possibly Rite of Passage from S5 was written by a woman, I'd have to check) But certainly no female has been on the writing staff since S3.

And AT is the FIRST AND ONLY FEMALE to ever direct an SG episode. And that's 150+ episodes.

So the facts in the SG production universe bear out the overwhelmingly white male ratio.

As far as the rest of the world, yep discrimination of all kinds exists, even of white males.

hrh

Skydiver
June 22nd, 2004, 09:37 AM
see, this is what i get for posting BEFORE i have my morning coke (diet that is)

you're right, the eps was in s4 adn it was prodigy he was written out of. in fact, initially he wasn't scheduled to direct DJ since it would be so difficult, but that's how it happened. There are also whole hunks of entity that he's not in (if you watch it, IIRC, many of his scenes all take place in the same sets and were likely shot in a couple of days, to give him more time off. Just like they do with RDA now) I want to say he was originally scheduled to direct Prodigy, but i may not be remembering correctly.

he was promised to direct and DJ was the last eps shot that season (traditionally, eps 21 is shot last and eps 22 is shot second to last....for some reason)

To me, in hindsight, i seemed to see a tension building among the cast starting in season 4 and going straight into the end of s5.....and halfway through s5 i swear it looked like none of them could stand to be with the others, everyone was so cold and unfeeling, looking tired and worn out. It seemed like they were counting the days until they could get the heck out of dodge and go on their merry way

I have my own theories, but they ain't suited for or on topic for this thread :)

It still boils down to the fact (as much as we know it) that CJ, MS were promised, probably in writing, to write a story for s7, AT was promised to direct. However, in s8, apparantly none of them (except for cj's eps, maybe? I'm avoiding major spoilers) have those extras in thier contracts so if they do write or direct, it will be because the studio asks/wants them to, not because they have to. (and no, i'm not dissing the studio, i'm not saying that they're being mean or anything, i'm just saying that for one of the 3 to do something extra, it will take extra work for all involved, work they may choose not to do if they don't HAVE to do it)

Skydiver
June 22nd, 2004, 09:44 AM
In this case, the facts are that both MS and AT asked to direct as early as S3:

* MS got his shot in S4.
* AT did not get her shot until the very last episode of S7 -- and only then because she had it in her contract.

Sooo, the facts in this case show a discrepancy between cast members being allowed to direct.

Whether or not it has to do with gender is supposition on anyone's part, even AT's, but there are a darn lot of white males writing, directing and showrunnning in the SG universe.

In some ways it might. however, hollywood, and production houses in general, are male dominated fields. I worked in the production part of a local tv station and i was the 3rd woman in 10 years to work there. It's a boys club.



NOTE: A woman has not written an ep of SG since SEASON 3! (Possibly Rite of Passage from S5 was written by a woman, I'd have to check) But certainly no female has been on the writing staff since S3.

actually, i believe kathryn powers wrote smoke and mirrors


And AT is the FIRST AND ONLY FEMALE to ever direct an SG episode. And that's 150+ episodes.

hrh

yep, she is. but, like i said, production is generally a male dominated field. there are women out there and they do try, but they often have a double obstacle to fight, being a woman and making it into the boys club

I still feel that the decision whether or not AT directs will be based on whether or not they can spare her from being on screen (she did say in her diretor's commentary how hard it was to be IN and direct an eps at the same time) rather than based on her gender. she in more valubable to them in front of the camera than behind it

her fellow cast and crew members obviously feel that she did a good job adn i'm sure, if it can be managed, she will direct again if she wishes to.

The need to have her in front of the camera is one reason the eps she was to direct kept getting changed. Unfortunately, stargate isn't like B5 or TNG where there are 5-7 characters to shuffle adn one can be easily written out. The very nature of 3 main cast members means that they will have to create two eps that are lite/missing sam to give AT the time she needs.

and as we saw in s7, that ain't easy.

I still feel that her directing talents will show up on atlantis for s2.

petzke_42
June 22nd, 2004, 10:42 AM
Isn't any kind of discrimination to hire or not to hire illegal? (or that only when firing someone)

I don't know about where you are, but here in WA State, an employer can fire you "just because." He/She doesn't need a reason.

keshou
June 22nd, 2004, 10:50 AM
see, this is what i get for posting BEFORE i have my morning coke (diet that is)
you're right, the eps was in s4 adn it was prodigy he was written out of. in fact, initially he wasn't scheduled to direct DJ since it would be so difficult, but that's how it happened. There are also whole hunks of entity that he's not in (if you watch it, IIRC, many of his scenes all take place in the same sets and were likely shot in a couple of days, to give him more time off. Just like they do with RDA now) I want to say he was originally scheduled to direct Prodigy, but i may not be remembering correctly.

he was promised to direct and DJ was the last eps shot that season (traditionally, eps 21 is shot last and eps 22 is shot second to last....for some reason)

I wanted to correct my previous post (I guess I need *another* morning coke - full strength!), you're right, Entity was not the last episode shot but apparently neither was Double Jeopardy. (At least according to this site. I couldn't get www.rdanderson.com's list for season 4 to come up.)

http://epguides.com/StargateSG1/
Ep # .. Prod. # ... Air Date
4-18 .. 418 ... 26 Jan 01 The Light
4-19 .. 419 ... 2 Feb 01 Prodigy
4-20 .. 421 ... 9 Feb 01 Entity
4-21 .. 420 ... 16 Feb 01 Double Jeopardy
4-22 .. 422 ... 23 Feb 01 Exodus (1)

So production number order was apparently Prodigy, Double Jeopardy, Entity, Exodus. Maybe MS got time off in Entity for post-production work on DJ. Not really important I guess other than to anal people like me. :)

Back on topic. I *do* appreciate your points about it being a man's world as far as directing goes. I can barely think of any women directors, even in film. Barbra Streisand hired herself, Penny Marshall has directed quite a bit, Sofia Coppola has directed. I rarely see a woman's name listed as director of a TV series. It could be that if you're AT, you really have to push to make it happen the first time.

However since she proved herself I think the biggest impediment to directing on SG-1 could well be the scheduling, etc. I do think she'll get a chance directing Atlantis -- I hope so because it's clear she really enjoys it and considers it a new career path. Opportunities become very limited for actresses over age 40.

**

Madeleine
June 22nd, 2004, 08:45 PM
The very nature of 3 main cast members means that they will have to create two eps that are lite/missing sam to give AT the time she needs.

and as we saw in s7, that ain't easy.

They manage it with Teal'c :p

Madeleine
June 22nd, 2004, 08:51 PM
Yes, it was Prodigy that Michael Shanks was written out of in Season 4 - this was to allow him to direct, since that was the episode he was scheduled to do. Much to Michael's surprise - he talked at length about this at SG4 - he was given Double J to do instead. Since he didn't enjoy the experience at all I doubt we'll be seeing him directing any other episodes.

Does anyone know *why* they gave an ep with so many effects, so many extras, two SG-1s etc to a first-time director?

GateGipsy
June 23rd, 2004, 01:31 AM
A baptism of fire perhaps?! I have no idea why, but I do not think they'd have given either Michael or Amanda anything that they weren't sure they'd be capable of doing really well - they work to such an incredibly tight budget on Stargate that I can't see them wasting money just so that someone can cut their teeth.

Anyway I suspect we're getting off topic now - I'm not sure that this sheds any light on Amanda's situation!

keshou
June 23rd, 2004, 06:24 AM
Originally Posted by Skydiver
The very nature of 3 main cast members means that they will have to create two eps that are lite/missing sam to give AT the time she needs.

and as we saw in s7, that ain't easy.


They manage it with Teal'c :p

Yes, too bad CJ doesn't want to direct. They could probably arrange for Teal'c to be missing from several episodes to give CJ time to prep.

Now I'm depressed. (and off-topic) :(

MagnoliaAnaglypta
June 24th, 2004, 04:04 PM
I would be interested though to know why you think that Double J was an episode that they could 'risk' on an untried director - it seemed to me a far more complicated episode from a production point of view (two SG1's) than most other episodes they did in Season 4. But I know that you have experience in this side of things that I don't have so have a greater insight into how the business works.
They have said themselves that Double Jeopardy was at that time, the most complicated, effect laden, the biggest story they had done to date in that season - that is clearly stated on the audio commentary for the episode. Micheal was supposed to get the other story that he was written out of - the one with Haley the Cadet... but ended up with this massive, complicated thing that by all accounts put him off the idea of directing for this particular show again - and who can blame him?

Double J was no more than any other an episode they could risk on an untried director. Like Amanda in S7, Micheal had had to shadow other directors, get a certain amount of training, and prove that he was capable of doing it before the show runners let him loose. And it was my understanding that Micheal got an episode to direct earlier than Amanda because he *asked* earlier than Amanda, and therefore started going through the learning procedure earlier than Amanda. I'm not saying her gender had nothing to do with it, but it seems to me that there are other, less sinister explanations available if one wants to see them.

GateGipsy
June 25th, 2004, 01:26 AM
Ah I didn't realise they had to go through all that. I guess that makes sense though - you can't go into these things cold. That gives me a new level of respect for Michael and Amanda, that on top of their jobs they also spent time learning a whole new job. Knowing that when shooting they put in twelve and fourteen hour days, and they've both got spouses etc, I'm astounded that they had the energy!

Madeleine
June 25th, 2004, 02:05 AM
... Michael got an episode to direct earlier than Amanda because he *asked* earlier than Amanda, and therefore started going through the learning procedure earlier than Amanda. I'm not saying her gender had nothing to do with it, but it seems to me that there are other, less sinister explanations available if one wants to see them.

It's not just 'if one wants to see them' though, it's also 'if one has been made aware of them' ;). Thanks for making me aware of that one, previously all I had to go on was Amanda's comments. And yes, that does sound like a much more reasonable explanation.

hrh36
June 25th, 2004, 07:24 AM
>>And it was my understanding that Micheal got an episode to direct earlier than Amanda because he *asked* earlier than Amanda<<

And it was my understanding that they both asked to direct in S3.

MS got his chance in S4 and AT in S7.

Can someone who knows clear this up?

Thanks.

hrh