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tsaxlady
July 25th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Round 37

The Summit
The First Ones
Last Stand
Resurrection
Cure
Orpheus
The Light
Absolute Power

Billie
July 25th, 2005, 05:10 PM
1. Lifeboat
2. The first ones
3. Show and tell
4. The fifth man
5. Message in a bottle
6. Watergate
7. The light
8. New ground

trupi
July 25th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Round 37

Watergate
2010
Hathor
The Light
The Warrior
Red Sky
Show and Tell
Holiday

SG1Poz
July 25th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Least favorites:

Fire and Water

Holiday

Deadman Switch

Learning Curve

New Ground

The First Ones

Watergate

The Other Side

keshou
July 25th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Round 37 - Least favorite episodes

Point of No Return
Out of Mind
Red Sky
Proving Ground
New Ground
Chain Reaction
Hathor
Desperate Measures

L-JADE
July 25th, 2005, 06:08 PM
Round 37 :

Resurrection
The Fifth Man
Holiday
Proving Ground
The Warrior (die! die! die! die! die!)
Entity
Cure
Revisions

Kliggins
July 25th, 2005, 06:37 PM
Round #37

Fire and Water
Forever in a Day
Legacy
Summit
Last Stand
Red Sky
Lifeboat
Resurrection

JanusAncient
July 25th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Round 37:

The Enemy Within
Fire and Water
Tin Man
Holiday
Legacy
Urgo
Watergate
Smoke and Mirrors

Angelique
July 25th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Round 37

Resurrection
Scorched Earth
Message in a Bottle
Learning Curve
Shades of Grey
The Other Side
The Light
Red Sky

Katerine
July 25th, 2005, 06:48 PM
Just a quick note since the last round's tie seems to be messing a bunch of people up, to give people a chance to fix it before the votes are tallied tomorrow:

the dancer of spaz, LOL4JACK, and IncessantBabbler: Momento went out in the last round. If you see this and edit your post in the next 14 hours, I should catch it. :)

pittsburghgirl: Welcome back! And sorry, a bunch of changes need to be made before I can count your post:
Beast of Burden, Enemy Mine, Need, and Chimera have already been eliminated (in rounds 19, 16, 14, and 9, respectively).
Citizen Joe and Affinity are both Season 8 eps, and therefore not eligible for this tournament.
FYI, you can find the current list of which episodes have been eliminated, and which eps are still eligible, by going to the first post in this thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=12889&page=1&pp=20). HTH, and thanks! :)

ann_sgcfan
July 25th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Forever in a Day
Summit
Show and Tell
New Ground
The First Ones
Cure
Hathor
Fire & Water

nyxlily
July 25th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Round 37:

1. The Fifth Man
2. Death Knell
3. Entity
4. Ascension
5. Resurrection
6. Show and Tell
7. Divide and Conquer
8. Metamorphosis

Carterslave
July 25th, 2005, 09:02 PM
Divide & Conquer
New Ground
Point of No Return
Desperate Measures
Proving Ground
Prometheus
Deadman Switch
Watergate

GatetheWay
July 25th, 2005, 09:09 PM
Resurrection
Forever in a Day
Out of Mind
Divide and Conquer
Message in a Bottle
The Warrior
Proving Ground
Revisions

Ahh...I LIKED Momento. Oh well. Katerine, when are you going to start having tie breakers?

Sam_o_Neill
July 26th, 2005, 01:36 AM
Round 37:
Save Divide and Conquer!! It should be in the Top 10 at least!

Enigma
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
The Light
The Warrior
Meridian
The Changeling
Orpheus

Caro
July 26th, 2005, 02:04 AM
Round 37 (yup, let's save D&C !!!!)

The Fifth Man
The Warrior
The Curse
The Light
Threshold
Legacy
48 hours
Red Sky

Easter Lily
July 26th, 2005, 02:20 AM
Round 37
The First Ones
Legacy
The Light
Hathor
Urgo
A Matter of Time
Divide and Conquer (Let's kill Divide and Conquer :p )
New Ground

Sue_Jackson
July 26th, 2005, 02:49 AM
Round 37:

1. The Enemy Within
2. A Matter of Time
3. Show and Tell
4. Point of View
5. Foothold
6. Deadman Switch
7. Divide and Conquer <----oh soooo close. You stupid motherfrakker episode.
8. The Warrior

girlgater
July 26th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Round 37

The Light
Red Sky
The First Ones
New Ground
The Warrior
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Holiday

Peteo
July 26th, 2005, 06:52 AM
Round 37:
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Fail Safe
Red Sky
Metamorphosis
Out of Mind
Small Victories
Proving Ground
The Light
Message in a Bottle

ForeverSg1
July 26th, 2005, 06:57 AM
Round 37

The Light
Red Sky
The First Ones
New Ground
The Warrior
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Holiday
Wategate
Proving Ground

Not sure if you realized but you have 10 episodes on your list. It believe there should only be 8.

Cassie
July 26th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Lifeboat
Momento
Legacy
The Enemy Within
Frozen
The Fifth Man
Message in a Bottle
Forever in a Day

Aither
July 26th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Round 37 :

Message in a Bottle
Point of No Return
Desperate Measures
New Ground
The Other Side
Entity
Fail Safe
Cure

Katerine
July 26th, 2005, 01:05 PM
Round 37 is done, the votes are tallied :)

GateTheWay: I was thinking I would start having tie-breaking rounds in the event of a tie, after we reach the 70th eliminated episode - which will be almost to the halfway point. We currently have 41 eliminated eps, so it'll probably be about another month before we start worrying about tie-breaking rounds.

As always, apologies to those who didn't get their votes counted:

pittsburghgirl: sorry, but a bunch of changes need to be made before I can count your post:
Beast of Burden, Enemy Mine, Need, and Chimera have already been eliminated (in rounds 19, 16, 14, and 9, respectively).
Citizen Joe and Affinity are both Season 8 eps, and therefore not eligible for this tournament.
FYI, you can find the current list of which episodes have been eliminated, and which eps are still eligible, by going to the first post in this thread. HTH, and thanks!

Cassie: Momento went out in the last round. Sorry...

And here are the results:
(4.18) The Light - 24
(5.05) Red Sky - 22
(4.08) The First Ones - 18
(3.19) New Ground - 17
(7.19) Resurrection - 17
(2.07) Message in a Bottle - 16
(5.04) The Fifth Man - 16
(5.18) The Warrior - 15
(2.20) Show and Tell - 14
(4.05) Divide and Conquer - 14
(4.20) Entity - 13
(1.14) Hathor - 12
(6.16) Metamorphosis - 12
(4.07) Watergate - 10
(5.13) Proving Ground - 10
(1.13) Fire and Water - 9
(3.10) Forever in a Day - 9
(4.11) Point of No Return - 9
(5.11) Desperate Measures - 9
(2.17) Holiday - 8
(2.22) Out of Mind - 8
(4.02) The Other Side - 8
(3.05) Learning Curve - 6
(3.16) Urgo - 6
(4.10) Beneath the Surface - 6
(5.02) Threshold - 6
(5.15) Summit - 6
(6.21) Prophecy - 6
(7.06) Lifeboat - 6
(1.03) The Enemy Within - 5
(3.04) Legacy - 5
(3.07) Deadman Switch - 5
(6.10) Cure - 5
(7.05) Revisions - 5
(5.03) Ascension - 4
(5.16) Last Stand - 4
(6.04) Frozen - 4
(6.11) Prometheus - 4
(7.04) Orpheus - 4
(1.08) The Nox - 3
(1.19) Tin Man - 3
(4.09) Scorched Earth - 3
(4.16) 2010 - 3
(6.19) The Changeling - 3
(1.10) Thor's Hammer - 2
(2.06) Thor's Chariot - 2
(2.16) A Matter of Time - 2
(2.21) 1969 - 2
(3.03) Fair Game - 2
(3.06) Point of View - 2
(3.14) Foothold - 2
(3.15) Pretense - 2
(3.18) Shades of Grey - 2
(4.13) The Curse - 2
(4.15) Chain Reaction - 2
(5.06) Rite of Passage - 2
(5.08) The Tomb - 2
(5.17) Fail Safe - 2
(1.11) The Torment of Tantalus - 1
(1.15) Singularity - 1
(1.17) Enigma - 1
(3.11) Past and Present - 1
(3.12) Jolinar's Memories - 1
(3.13) The Devil You Know - 1
(4.01) Small Victories - 1
(4.17) Absolute Power - 1
(5.14) 48 Hours - 1
(5.21) Meridian - 1
(6.03) Descent - 1
(6.09) Allegiance - 1
(6.12) Unnatural Selection - 1
(6.14) Smoke and Mirrors - 1
(6.15) Paradise Lost - 1
(7.02) Homecoming - 1
(7.03) Fragile Balance - 1
(7.11) Evolution, Part 1 - 1
(7.16) Death Knell - 1
(7.18) Heroes, Part 2 - 1

The Light goes out!

And, again, in case anybody is curious, here are the season overall standings:

Number of episodes per season with 6 or more votes:
Season 1 : 2 / 14 episodes
Season 2 : 4 / 14 episodes
Season 3 : 4 / 18 episodes
Season 4 : 8 / 20 episodes
Season 5 : 7 / 19 episodes
Season 6 : 2 / 15 episodes
Season 7 : 2 / 14 episodes

Overall Season Rankings: (listed best to worst) (here is the explanation (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4316623&postcount=432) if you want to know how it works.)
5 - 5.790%
3 - 6.049%
4 - 6.630%
1 - 9.923%
6 - 9.997%
7 - 10.236%
2 - 10.948%

And here are current season rankings, just judging on the basis of eliminations (listed best to worst). It's sorted by the number of eliminations, then by the total elimination round (those with a higher total are better, since that means the eps were eliminated later).
4 - 94 / 3 = 31.3333
5 - 72 / 3 = 24.
3 - 90 / 4 = 22.5
6 - 135 / 7 = 19.2857
2 - 144 / 8 = 18.
7 - 133 / 8 = 16.625
1 - 132 / 8 = 16.5

Valid Posts this Round: 55

That's it! Now, everybody vote again for the next round! (Initial post with current standings and episodes remaining (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4295728&postcount=1))

My votes and opinions:
Metamorphosis
Message in a Bottle
Red Sky
Beneath the Surface
Desperate Measures
Prophecy
Entity
Point of No Return

:( Very sad about The Light being gone. I really liked that ep, especially the scene where Jack is talking Daniel off the ledge. Very beautiful scene, and Jack's reactions were perfect - showed just how much he cared without overdoing it. Great writing, great acting... *sniff*

Ok, now everybody vote for Red Sky so I can get it off my list! :D Seriously, this is quite a mediocre ep; I'm a bit surprised it lasted this long.

Re: The Other Side. This is one of my favorite eps, and I currently have it ranked 16th-best in my personal list. I loved this ep for much the same reason I loved Scorched Earth - the reason I stuck with Stargate in the first place was that I was very happy with the way the show deals with ethical dilemmas. You can really understand both points of view here, and the question of just what the "right" thing to do in these situations is one without a clear right answer... just the way it should be. Also, loved the development in the Jack/Daniel relationship in this ep - we got to learn a great deal about both characters in this ep, and it was fascinating to see how their relationship changed over the course of the ep.

Re: Divide and Conquer. I've mentioned this before, but I'm a bit surprised that so many people hate or love it so much. Anise can't explain all of the animosity, so it must be the fact that it's the beginning of shippiness.

To anti-shippers (warning, I'm about to be very opinionated. More so than usual): I'm a firm anti-shipper, as many know. But even so, I can't see much in D&C to hate, and there's quite a bit to like.
- It has a good plot.
- It has good character interaction (I especially like Daniel's involvement in the story, his preoccupation at the end. Also liked Martouf in the story).
- The Za'tarc story was a terrific idea (I loved the pathos of being a danger to others and self without even knowing it).

As far as shippiness goes, I thought it was very tastefully done (something that I've come to really appreciate, after seeing the alternative in season 7). I thought there were several eps that were much worse (checks... nope, not yet time for the Evolution, Part 2 rant).
- See, unlike, say, Evolution, Part 2 (which I haven't been voting out yet solely because of the Daniel scenes), D&C didn't pretend that Jack/Sam was the only relationship (romantic or otherwise) that was worthwhile in the show. Nor did it, for the sake of ship, slice the deep bonds between Jack and Daniel, and between Sam and Daniel, into a thousand bits, throw them away, then stomp them into the ground! (Gah, I hated that scene at the beginning of Evolution part 2 so much! It was this scene that turned me into an anti-shipper in the first place. Until then, I really didn't care.) Anyway, IIRC, all of the relationships in D&C were very well done - Jack/Sam, Jack/Daniel, Sam/Daniel, Sam/Martouf, etc...
- Unlike Heroes, Part 2, D&C didn't belittle the death of an important and much-loved character for the sake of ship.
- Unlike Inaugeration, D&C didn't bring up ship in a completely inappropriate and implausible context (well, maybe... depends on how you look at it), nor did it insult the viewers by implying that anti-shippers are closed-minded bigots.
- Unlike Grace, Heroes Part 2, Evolution Part 2, Lost City Part 2, or most other season 7 eps, D&C didn't paint Sam as selfish, needy, and dependent in order to emphasize the ship. In fact, IIRC, Sam (like all the other characters) was in really fine form in D&C. She was self-sufficient, competent, caring, enthusiastic, pragmatic, all the things I liked about her.

I can see why it might be tempting to vote out D&C because it started the whole ship thing, and everybody should vote the way they feel is best. Personally, I don't think I'm going to vote out eps based on being shippy, although I might vote out eps that illustrate to me just what is wrong with "shippy."

Ok, stepping off the soapbox now... Sorry about this; sometimes I just feel the great need to get these things off my chest, often without provocation...

htnwahs
July 26th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Resurrection
Point of no return
Watergate
Frozen
5th Man
The Changeling
Red Sky
Hathor


Poop....I kinda liked the light....oh well, i geuss it doesnt really matter what order all the mediocre episodes go in....

Atlantis1
July 26th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Hathor
The Nox
Forever in a Day
2010
Beneath the Surface
1969
Red Sky
The Other Side

Frostfox
July 26th, 2005, 01:16 PM
Round 38

1. Learning Curve
2. Frozen
3. Divide and Conquer - they killed off my lovely Martuf!
4. The Warrior
5. Entity
6. Revisions - Most boring episode ever, in my not so humble opinion.
7. Metamorphosis
8. Prometheus

warmbeachbrat
July 26th, 2005, 01:22 PM
*happy, happy, happy!--sorry, Katerine, not meaning to rub it in, but--happy, happy, happy!*

*twirls around, gets dizzy, falls down*

*happy, happy, happy*


Ok, now that I've got THAT out of my system, Round 38:

The Nox
Hathor
Holiday
Urgo
The Other Side
Red Sky
The Tomb
Watergate


Katerine: I really enjoyed Scorched Earth also, but I just can't abide The Other Side. It just seemed to want to beat you over the head with its moral point. I didn't feel it handled Jack's character well. He kind of went from one extreme to another and it just didn't ring true to me.

You're right about the scene in The Light with Jack talking Daniel down from the ledge--I forgot about that part (see! It's that blasted light--it blinded me to the good part). I guess I can't get past the whole moths-to-a-flame obliviousness of the SG-1 crew regarding the light.

Ah well, it's gone now and I have a new episode to push--let's get rid of The Tomb!

TheWarrior
July 26th, 2005, 01:23 PM
The Enemy Within
Tin Man
Out of Mind
Learning Curve
Beneath the Surface
Desperate Measures
Frozen
Revisions

Hywel
July 26th, 2005, 01:23 PM
Red Sky
Metamorphosis
Smoke and Mirrors
Fragile Balance
Prometheus
Desperate Measures
Entity
The Enemy Within

SimilarCadence
July 26th, 2005, 01:23 PM
Round 38

Red Sky
The Other Side
The Warrior
Resurrection
The Fifth Man
Metamorphosis
New Ground
Entity

(not too sorry to see The Light go, but I certainly agree with Katerine about the Jack and Daniel scene at the beginning of the episode: beautifully acted!)

sueKay
July 26th, 2005, 02:02 PM
2010
Red Sky
The First Ones
The Warrior
Watergate
Ascension
Resurrection
New Ground

The Jack and Daniel scene in The Light was about the only reason I've ever watched that ep.

Seshat
July 26th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Round 39
Message in a Bottle
The Enemy Within
Entity
Prophecy
Divide and Conquer
The Warrior
Desperate Measures
Hathor

Once more, same as before. *sighs*
I liked The Light...oh well. :( At least I liked it a lot more than any of the eps I have listed above. But not so much for the Jack/Daniel stuff at the beginning...that didn't ring as true to me as to some here. (I thought it was overacted by MS, and that the tone of the apartment balcony scene was off, but that's just ME.) IMO a nice little story that just needed some more fleshing out. As if the writers suddenly got handed another script that needed punching up and just never got back around to polishing up The Light.

the dancer of spaz
July 26th, 2005, 02:06 PM
While I don't think The Light was that bad (the Jack/Daniel scene redeemed it), I won't lose any sleep over it if it means D&C lives to see another day. :P

Round 38

The First Ones <--- for the love of good episodes. why are you still here?
Red Sky
New Ground
Message in a Bottle
Show and Tell
Hathor
Proving Ground
Fire and Water

Aither
July 26th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Round 38 :

Message in a Bottle
Point of No Return
Desperate Measures
New Ground
The Other Side
Entity
Fail Safe
Cure

Matt G
July 26th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Ascension
Resurrection
Message in a Bottle
Divide and Conquer
Forever in a Day
Frozen
Revisions
Threshold

galaxy
July 26th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Round 38

1.LURNING CURVE
2.THE OTHER SIDE
3.THE FIRST ONES
4.THRESHOLD
5.THE FIFTH MAN
6.THOR'S CHARIOT
7.TORMENT OF TANTALUS
8.DEADMAN SWITCH

:D :D :D

Capt. Voronokova
July 26th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Round 38

1. Prometheus
2. Show and Tell
3. Learning Curve
4. Frozen
5. Metamorphosis
6. Urgo
7. Prophecy
8. Watergate

Your subliminal message is cute, but that particular ep has grown on me (in the nice way), galaxy, sorry.

LOL4JACK
July 26th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Round 38

1.- The Fifth Man
2.- Orpheus
3.- Desperate Measures
4.- New Ground
5.- Show and Tell
6.- Red Sky
7.- Foothold
8.- Threshold

IncessantBabbler
July 26th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Round 38

The First Ones
New Ground
The Fifth Man
The Warrior
Red Sky
Show and Tell
Shades of Grey
Hathor

.:Lemon:.
July 26th, 2005, 02:54 PM
Show And Tell
Pretense
Red Sky
Desperate Measures
Resurrection
The Enemy Within
Watergate
New Ground

GatetheWay
July 26th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Resurrection
Forever in a Day
Out of Mind
Divide and Conquer
Message in a Bottle
The Warrior
Proving Ground
Revisions

Holy Hannah! How did D&C drop from second place to 10th! It should SO go. I didn't mind the Sam/Jack ship in it but the whole Anise thing really made me hate it. And also it just seemed too much of a coincidence that one of Sam's love interests gets offed in the same episode that the S/J ship is confirmed.

tsaxlady
July 26th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Round 38

The Summit
The First Ones
Last Stand
Resurrection
Cure
Orpheus
Fire And Water
Absolute Power

CatGoddess
July 26th, 2005, 03:09 PM
Show and Tell
Message in a Bottle
Entity
Divide and Conquer
Red Sky
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
Metamorphosis

Lida
July 26th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Round 38

1. The First Ones
2. Red Sky
3. New Ground
4. Resurrection
5. The Warrior
6. Metamorphosis
7. Watergate
8. Fire and Water

YES, The Light is finally out!

Anubis69
July 26th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Tin man
Urgo
Fire and water
Prophecy
Metamorphosis
Orpheus
The fifth man
Out of mind

The Warrior
July 26th, 2005, 03:25 PM
Point of View
Divide and Conquer (The time has come.)
Heroes, Part 2
Fragile Balance
Paradise Lost
Unnatural Selection
Hathor
Resurrection

Sue_Jackson
July 26th, 2005, 03:27 PM
Round 38:

1. The Enemy Within
2. A Matter of Time
3. Show and Tell
4. Point of View
5. Foothold
6. Deadman Switch
7. Divide and Conquer <---You've got to be frelling kidding. You mean this piece of dren is STILL here????
8. The Warrior

Tucker Case
July 26th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Round Thirty-eight

Desperate Measures
Divide & Conquer
Entity
Metamorphosis
Out Of Mind
Point Of No Return
Prophecy
Smoke & Mirrors

sg-1fanintn
July 26th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Round 38:

The Fifth Man
Red Sky
The Warrior
The First Ones
Tin Man
Lifeboat
Hathor
Proving Ground

Derek
July 26th, 2005, 04:15 PM
Orpheus
The Warrior
Message in a Bottle
New Ground
Learning Curve
Entity
Rite of Passage
Metamorphosis

bravesmom63
July 26th, 2005, 04:30 PM
Boo hoo, I liked The Light.

Round 38

Divide & Conquer
Fair Game
Red Sky
Metamorphosis
Pretense
The Nox (Sorry, I just can't get past the twig-wigs and the floppy pajamas)
Message in a Bottle
Descent

Caro
July 26th, 2005, 05:02 PM
The Fifth Man
The Warrior
The Curse
Summit
Threshold
Legacy
48 hours
Red Sky

SG1Poz
July 26th, 2005, 05:31 PM
LEAST LIKED:

The Fifth Race

Holiday

Deadman Switch

Watergate

The First Ones

Scorched Earth

The Fifth Man

The Warrior

Jonisa
July 26th, 2005, 05:38 PM
Round 38

Entity
Desperate Measures
Divide and Conquer
Metamorphosis
Rite of Passage
Chain Reaction
Learning Curve
The Serpent's Venom

dipsofjazz
July 26th, 2005, 05:51 PM
Round 38

The First Ones
Lifeboat
Thor's Hammer
Summit
Last Stand
Forever in a Day
Legacy
Ascension

ShimmeringStar
July 26th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Round 38:

1. Fire and Water
2. Red Sky
3. The First Ones
4. Evolution, Part 1
5. Thorís Chariot
6. Thorís Hammer
7. Prometheus
8. Fair Game

(in no particular order)

girlgater
July 26th, 2005, 06:00 PM
Round 38:

Red Sky
The First Ones
New Ground
The Warrior
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Holiday
Proving Ground

keshou
July 26th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Round 38 - Least favorite episodes

Point of No Return
Out of Mind
Red Sky
Proving Ground
New Ground
Chain Reaction
Hathor
Desperate Measures

Strix varia
July 26th, 2005, 07:15 PM
Legacy
Smoke and Mirrors
The First Ones
Prophesy
Maternal Instinct
Red Sky
Fire and Water
The Warrior

ann_sgcfan
July 26th, 2005, 07:25 PM
The First Ones
The Fifth Race
Holiday
Watergate
Deadman Switch
The Warrior
Scorched Earth
The Fifth Man

Cassie
July 26th, 2005, 07:43 PM
The First Ones
The Other Side
The Enemy Within
Lifeboat
New Ground
The Fifth Man
Legacy
Prometheus

L-JADE
July 26th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Round 38 :

Resurrection
The Fifth Man
Holiday
Proving Ground
The Warrior (die! die! die! die! die!)
Entity
Cure
Revisions

Shir
July 26th, 2005, 07:49 PM
The Fifth Man
Prophecy
Resurrection
The Enemy Within
Threshold
The First Ones
The Changeling
Metamorphosis

Carterslave
July 26th, 2005, 09:25 PM
New Ground
Divide & Conquer (SpaceHo, shippiness, Sam's CFM hair, Dead!Martouf ... somewhere, a shark is being jumped)
Proving Ground
Point of No Return
Desperate Measures
Watergate
Prometheus
Deadman Switch

Easter Lily
July 26th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Round 38
The First Ones
Legacy
Hathor
Urgo
A Matter of Time
Divide and Conquer
New Ground
Entity

CeeKay Sheppard
July 26th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Round 38:

Hathor
Singularity
Past and Present
Shades of Grey
Summit
Homecoming
Jolinar's Memories
The Devil You Know

LoneStar1836
July 26th, 2005, 10:24 PM
Least favorite episodes: Round 38

Out of Mind
Entity
Hathor
Proving Ground
Beneath the Surface
New Ground
Point of No Return
Red Sky

Kliggins
July 26th, 2005, 10:42 PM
Round #38

Fire and Water
Forever in a Day
Legacy
Last Stand
Summit
Red Sky :D
Lifeboat
Resurrection

Bummer about The Light. Not my favorite, but there are others deserving to go sooner. :(

lonely_star
July 26th, 2005, 11:14 PM
Red Sky
The First Ones
New Ground
The Warrior
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Holiday
Proving Ground

Sam_o_Neill
July 27th, 2005, 02:27 AM
Round 37:

Enigma
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Resurrection
The Warrior
Meridian
The Changeling
Orpheus

Heru'urs_first_prime
July 27th, 2005, 03:04 AM
(why Does Everyone Pick Red Sky?! Its Not that Brilliant)

divcon
July 27th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Round 38

Watergate
Deadman Switch
Scorched Earth
The Tomb
Summit
Red Sky
The Fifth Man
The First Ones

ForeverSg1
July 27th, 2005, 03:41 AM
Round 38:

The First Ones
New Ground
Resurrection
Message in a Bottle
The Fifth Man
Show and Tell
Point of No Return
Revisions

Skydiver
July 27th, 2005, 05:51 AM
round 38


Red Sky
The First Ones
New Ground
Resurrection
Lifeboat
Legacy
Revisions

sg1 volgman
July 27th, 2005, 06:29 AM
metamorphosis
beneath the surface
divide and conquer
forever in a day
forsaken
smoke and mirrors
the first ones
absolute power

m_wendy_r
July 27th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Round 38

1. Out of Mind
2. The Nox
3. Thor's Hammer
4. Fire and Water
5. Forever in a Day
6. Revisions
7. Cure
8. Scorched Earth

Wendy
Hugs :)

trupi
July 27th, 2005, 11:31 AM
Round 38

Forever in a Day
The First Ones
New Ground
The Warrior
Show and Tell
Hathor
Metamorphosis
Proving Ground

Katerine
July 27th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Round 38 is done, the votes are tallied :)

It recently occurred to me that people may be misinterpreting my attempts to recruit more people to vote in this tournament. :) Just to clarify my reasons:

While doing the tallying, I enter (among other things) the names of the people voting (I do this to make sure nobody votes more than once per round). As you can imagine, after a few rounds of this, I have a pretty good idea of who the regular voters are. :)

A little while ago, I started doing searches to see where else this tournament was being mentioned, and then started skimming the Sam/Jack ship thread and the Sam appreciation thread. Mostly, I just looked at the names of the people posting in there. And I recognized pretty much all of them. :) Then I looked everywhere else, and only recognized about 1/6 of the names on average.

Please understand - I'm definitely not complaining that so many shippers and Sam fans are voting - I love that so many people are voting! But the fact that I recognize so many more of the shippers and Sam fans than everybody else is worrying me a bit; the idea of the tournament is to return results that are representative of the views of the fandom as a whole, not just the views of certain subsets. I don't know that the results have been skewed, but I do know that the potential is there, and that worries me.

So that's why. :) Again, not complaining - I really love that so many people are voting - the more the merrier! I just want to try to get more people voting from everywhere else as well, so the percentage of people voting is high across the board, instead of high in some parts of the fandom and low in others.

BTW, any help would be appreciated. :) I'm really, really horrible at advertising...

As always, apologies to those who didn't get their votes counted:

Skydiver: Looked good, but I need 8 votes. If you add an eighth in future rounds, then I can count it. Thanks :)

sg1 volgman: Forsaken went out a couple of rounds ago. Sorry...

And here are the results:
(5.05) Red Sky - 24
(4.08) The First Ones - 20
(5.18) The Warrior - 19
(3.19) New Ground - 18
(5.04) The Fifth Man - 16
(7.19) Resurrection - 15
(6.16) Metamorphosis - 14
(1.14) Hathor - 13
(4.20) Entity - 13
(2.20) Show and Tell - 12
(4.05) Divide and Conquer - 12
(5.11) Desperate Measures - 11
(2.07) Message in a Bottle - 10
(3.10) Forever in a Day - 10
(4.07) Watergate - 10
(5.13) Proving Ground - 10
(1.13) Fire and Water - 8
(4.11) Point of No Return - 8
(1.03) The Enemy Within - 7
(2.22) Out of Mind - 7
(6.21) Prophecy - 7
(7.05) Revisions - 7
(2.17) Holiday - 6
(3.04) Legacy - 6
(3.05) Learning Curve - 6
(3.07) Deadman Switch - 6
(4.02) The Other Side - 6
(5.15) Summit - 6
(6.11) Prometheus - 6
(5.02) Threshold - 5
(6.04) Frozen - 5
(7.04) Orpheus - 5
(1.08) The Nox - 4
(3.16) Urgo - 4
(4.09) Scorched Earth - 4
(4.10) Beneath the Surface - 4
(6.10) Cure - 4
(7.06) Lifeboat - 4
(1.10) Thor's Hammer - 3
(1.19) Tin Man - 3
(5.03) Ascension - 3
(5.16) Last Stand - 3
(6.14) Smoke and Mirrors - 3
(6.19) The Changeling - 3
(2.06) Thor's Chariot - 2
(2.15) The Fifth Race - 2
(2.16) A Matter of Time - 2
(3.03) Fair Game - 2
(3.06) Point of View - 2
(3.14) Foothold - 2
(3.15) Pretense - 2
(3.18) Shades of Grey - 2
(4.15) Chain Reaction - 2
(4.16) 2010 - 2
(5.06) Rite of Passage - 2
(5.08) The Tomb - 2
(7.03) Fragile Balance - 2
(1.11) The Torment of Tantalus - 1
(1.15) Singularity - 1
(1.17) Enigma - 1
(2.21) 1969 - 1
(3.11) Past and Present - 1
(3.12) Jolinar's Memories - 1
(3.13) The Devil You Know - 1
(3.20) Maternal Instinct - 1
(4.13) The Curse - 1
(4.14) The Serpent's Venom - 1
(4.17) Absolute Power - 1
(5.14) 48 Hours - 1
(5.17) Fail Safe - 1
(5.21) Meridian - 1
(6.03) Descent - 1
(6.12) Unnatural Selection - 1
(6.15) Paradise Lost - 1
(7.02) Homecoming - 1
(7.11) Evolution, Part 1 - 1
(7.18) Heroes, Part 2 - 1

Red Sky is gone!

And, again, in case anybody is curious, here are the season overall standings:

Number of episodes per season with 6 or more votes:
Season 1 : 3 / 14 episodes
Season 2 : 4 / 14 episodes
Season 3 : 5 / 18 episodes
Season 4 : 6 / 19 episodes
Season 5 : 6 / 19 episodes
Season 6 : 3 / 15 episodes
Season 7 : 2 / 14 episodes

Overall Season Rankings: (listed best to worst) (here is the explanation (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4316623&postcount=432) if you want to know how it works.)
5 - 5.945%
3 - 6.131%
4 - 6.712%
1 - 9.977%
6 - 10.037%
7 - 10.275%
2 - 10.978%

And here are current season rankings, just judging on the basis of eliminations (listed best to worst).
4 - 94 / 3 = 31.3333
5 - 110 / 4 = 27.5
3 - 90 / 4 = 22.5
6 - 135 / 7 = 19.2857
2 - 144 / 8 = 18.
7 - 133 / 8 = 16.625
1 - 132 / 8 = 16.5

Valid Posts this Round: 51

That's it! Now, everybody vote again for the next round! (Initial post with current standings and episodes remaining (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4295728&postcount=1))

My votes and opinions:
Metamorphosis
Message in a Bottle
Beneath the Surface
Desperate Measures
Prophecy
Entity
Point of No Return
Holiday

Yay! I got to get rid of an ep. And add one... Hmm... Guess it will go to Robot!Jack and Possessed!Daniel.

warmbeachbrat: *has some Ren and Stimpy flashbacks* :D
You make some good points regarding The Other Side - the point was a bit heavy-handed, not to mention redundant. I didn't really see Jack going from one extreme to another, though - he started with one priority and ended up with another when the facts came to light. I don't know... I'll have to do more thinking about it when I'm actually awake... :)

galaxe: Like Capt said - I liked your message - must have taken a little while to do! :) I liked the First Ones, though. Not as much as Beast of Burden (*sigh*), but it was still a good Daniel ep, showcasing his character. I can definitely see how the Unas can ruin an ep for some people, though...

Lida
July 27th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Round 39

1. The First Ones
2. New Ground
3. Resurrection
4. The Warrior
5. The Changling
6. Watergate
7. Fire and Water
8. Desperate Measures

warmbeachbrat
July 27th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Round 39:

The Nox
Hathor
Holiday
Urgo
The Other Side
Watergate
The Tomb (let's BURY it!)
Need



I don't HAVE to always say anything, but I'm just soooo opinionated. :p Stargate fans are pretty thin on the ground around here, so when I get a chance to talk about it, well, I just take it!
While I'm not an overt Sam/Jack shipper, I like romance and happy endings as much as the next person, so I don't mind seeing it. On the other hand, it wouldn't totally ruin Stargate for me if they don't wind up together (I'd be disappointed, but not crushed). That said, I've never been to either the ship or anti-ship threads. From reading some of the threads on the forum, I see that passions run high on both fronts. I can understand that; I have some things that would cause me to turn my back on Stargate (with sorrow), and I hope the show never goes there--anyway, where was I? Oh yeah--it's interesting to read both perspectives on the Sam/Jack ship and see where I agree and disagree, but I'm glad I'm not quite as invested in it, since the show has a definite point of view on the S/J shippiness.


Katrine, re: The Other Side; Jack's reaction seemed a bit mean-spirited to me--as if he were more angry at being deceived than at what they were actually doing (of course what they were doing was horribly wrong--but did that make Jack as mad or was he even angrier that he was somehow misled by them). I wonder if he might have made a more reasoned action, if he had had time to think about it. At least, that's the impression I came away with--it's been a while since I've seen that episode, so I could be remembering it incorrectly.

JanusAncient
July 27th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Round 39:

The Enemy Within
Fire and Water
Tin Man
Message in a Bottle
Holiday
Learning Curve
Urgo
Entity

Derek
July 27th, 2005, 12:07 PM
Orpheus
The Warrior
Message in a Bottle
New Ground
The Light
Entity
Rite of Passage
Metamorphosis

GatetheWay
July 27th, 2005, 12:10 PM
Resurrection
Forever in a Day
Out of Mind
Divide and Conquer
Message in a Bottle
The Warrior
Proving Ground
Revisions

Jonisa
July 27th, 2005, 12:14 PM
Round 39

Metamorphosis
Divide and Conquer
Entity
Desperate Measures
Learning Curve
Chain Reaction
Frozen
Proving Ground

htnwahs
July 27th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Resurrection
Point of no return
Watergate
Frozen
5th Man
The Changeling
Metamorphosis
Hathor



just curious, how long does it take to tally up the votes, calculate the stats, and post results/update the thread each round?

ComTraya
July 27th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Round 39:

The Warrior
New Ground
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
Hathor
Show and Tell
Desperate Measures
Forever in a day

Queen Eleta
July 27th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Round #39

The First Ones
Metamorphosis
Show and Tell
Fire and Water
The Enemy Within
Holiday
Summit
The Warrior

TheWarrior
July 27th, 2005, 01:08 PM
The Enemy Within
Tin Man
Out Of Mind
Learning Curve
Beneath the Surface
The Warrior
Frozen
Revisions

Seshat
July 27th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Round 39
Message in a Bottle
The Enemy Within
Entity
Prophecy
Divide and Conquer
The Warrior
Desperate Measures
Hathor

Katerine: I am neither a shipper nor anti-shipper (I don't count Sam/Thor 'cause thats purely for insane fun). I am completely neutral on the Sam/Jack issue. I guess I don't fit into your scheme at all...where is my demographic??! :S :p I NEVER visit either the pro- or anti-ship threads, but I DO thunk for fun. I don't think I let that color my decisions on ep quality, though. A poor Daniel-centric ep is still a poor ep...I wouldn't (and haven't) voted to keep one in just because it focused on Daniel. Are you certain the shippers (or anti-shippers) are using only their ship preferences as their guidelines?

Capt. Voronokova
July 27th, 2005, 01:50 PM
Round 39

1. Prometheus
2. Show and Tell
3. Learning Curve
4. Frozen
5. Metamorphosis
6. Urgo
7. Prophecy
8. Watergate

Katerine, just because you're recognizing/not recognizing names in certain threads doesn't mean we're not a diverse set. I came to Gateworld's Forums for "Ask Joe", stuck around for the tournament, and lurk but don't post at other threads. In fact, I discovered your tournament by a comment in a completely different fan forum!

For your "demographic purposes". I'm a Daniel fan (see name/avatar), friendship/team fan, and anti-J/S shipper (though not a rabid one by any means). Like Seshat, I try not to let my preferences color my voting, though if it's episodes of equal quality, one Teal'c centric and one Daniel centric, my personal bias may well sway me.

tsaxlady
July 27th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Round 39

The Summit
The First Ones
Last Stand
Resurrection
Cure
Orpheus
Fire And Water
Absolute Power

Frostfox
July 27th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Round 39


1. Learning Curve
2. Frozen
3. Divide and Conquer - they killed off my lovely Martuf!
4. The Warrior
5. Entity
6. Revisions - Most boring episode ever, in my not so humble opinion.
7. Metamorphosis
8. Prometheus

Sam_o_Neill
July 27th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Round 39:

Enigma
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Resurrection
The Warrior
Meridian
The Changeling
Orpheus

girlgater
July 27th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Round 39:

The First Ones
New Ground
The Warrior
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Holiday
Proving Ground
The Fifth Man

CatGoddess
July 27th, 2005, 02:13 PM
Show and Tell
Message in a Bottle
Entity
Divide and Conquer
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
Metamorphosis
New Ground

sueKay
July 27th, 2005, 02:28 PM
2010
The First Ones
The Warrior
Watergate
Ascension
Resurrection
New Ground
The Fifth Man

Matt G
July 27th, 2005, 02:28 PM
Ascension
Resurrection
Message in a Bottle
Divide and Conquer
Forever in a Day
Frozen
Revisions
Threshold

Atlantis1
July 27th, 2005, 02:52 PM
Hathor
The Nox
Forever in a Day
2010
Beneath the Surface
1969
Allegiance
The Other Side

LOL4JACK
July 27th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Round 39

1.- The Fifth Man
2.- Orpheus
3.- Desperate Measures
4.- New Ground
5.- Show and Tell
6.- The First Ones
7.- Foothold
8.- Threshold

Katherine, I just wanted let you know that you are doing a great job and you have been very fair and clean. I support your efforts on recruiting other fans so you could have a better poll result, more in sync with the whole Stargate fan base and not only shippers or Pro one character, although they could be mayority :p. I'm a shipper and pro Jack and when I vote I take this into consideration, I would never vote off D&C or Abyss because they are great ep for me, based on what I like, but over all I'm a SG-1 fan, so if it comes down to WOO and a shippy ep as BtS, I know I would vote more towards WOO or COTG or WTSG.

Anubis69
July 27th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Tin man
Urgo
Metamorphosis
Prophecy
the fifth man
Out of mind
Fire and water
Message in a bottle

galaxy
July 27th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Damn. So close!!! :D

Okay Unas, your end is near....muahahahaha:

Round 39

1. The First Ones
2. The Other Side
3. The Fifth Man
4. Torment of Tantalus
5. Deadman Switch
6. Learning Curve
7. Threshold
8. Watergate


LOL4JACK, Red Sky is already gone. :)

.:Lemon:.
July 27th, 2005, 03:39 PM
(why Does Everyone Pick Red Sky?! Its Not that Brilliant)

That's exactly why it's being voted! It's picking the worst episodes not the best

.:Lemon:.
July 27th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Show And Tell
Pretense
The Warrior
Desperate Measures
Resurrection
The Enemy Within
Watergate
New Ground

fair_nymph
July 27th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Show and Tell
Fire and Water
Urgo
Holiday
Beneath the Surface
The Fifth Man
Proving Ground
1969

fair_nymph
July 27th, 2005, 04:05 PM
Btw Katerine, is there any way you could post the list of eps that have already been voted out? That would be extremely helpful. :)

Shir
July 27th, 2005, 04:11 PM
The Fifth Man
Prophecy
Resurrection
The Enemy Within
Threshold
The First Ones
The Changeling
Metamorphosis

Capt. Voronokova
July 27th, 2005, 04:44 PM
Btw Katerine, is there any way you could post the list of eps that have already been voted out? That would be extremely helpful. :)
fair nymph, in each round, Katerine provides a link to the very first post of this thread, which she updates every time to show what episodes have been voted out AND which ones are still eligible.

undomesticated_equine
July 27th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Round 39:

Past and Present
New Ground
Watergate
The Curse
Desperate Measures
The Warrior
Revisions
Resurrection

SG1Poz
July 27th, 2005, 05:05 PM
"Least Favorites"

ROUND 39:

Tin Man

Holiday

Deadman Switch

Legacy

The First Ones

Watergate

Scorched Earth

The Warrior

sg-1fanintn
July 27th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Round 39:

The First Ones
48 Hours (Why, why is this not getting any votes? Not a good ep for anyone!)
The Fifth Man
The Warrior
Tin Man
Hathor
Lifeboat
Proving Ground

(Katerine--I, too, am glad to see more people voting in the poll. The more fans who vote, the more representative the poll is. But the small group of pals I've been reminding are a very diverse group, despite the fact that I know them from a couple of threads where I normally post. I also believe, as others have expressed that SG-1 fans are more than their ship preferences! And I think there are a few lousy eps that haven't been getting any votes to date, simply because they don't set off anyone's "anti" or "hot" buttons. I hope more people will consider really reading the descriptions of the eps that remain and voting for some of the bad ones they've forgotten (like 48 hours), instead of voting based on ship.)

trupi
July 27th, 2005, 05:41 PM
Round 39
The Warrior
New Ground
Resurrection
Metamorphosis
Hathor
Show and Tell
Desperate Measures
Forever in a Day

nell
July 27th, 2005, 06:12 PM
39
First Ones
Warrior
New Ground
Metamorphosis
Resurrection
Fifth Man
Proving Ground
Watergate

bravesmom63
July 27th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Round 39

Divide & Conquer
Message in a Bottle
Fair Game
Pretense
The Nox
Metamorphosis
Descent
Hathor

Easter Lily
July 27th, 2005, 07:35 PM
Round 39
The First Ones
Legacy
Hathor
Urgo
A Matter of Time
Divide and Conquer
New Ground
Entity

Red Sky went before The First Ones... Huh? :eek: ... The injustice of it all... :p

Carterslave
July 27th, 2005, 07:52 PM
I'll confess to being baffled by the animus toward Red Sky. I wish all the episodes were that solid. For me, it's one of the high points of S5. It's also a good 'team' episode, unlike D&C, which crams the goopy S/J shippiness down your throat (even to the point of killing off the beloved Martouf). It's almost enough to make me a J/D shipper. ;)

New Ground
Divide & Conquer
Desperate Measures
Watergate
Proving Ground
Point of No Return
Prometheus
Deadman Switch

ann_sgcfan
July 27th, 2005, 08:06 PM
Watergate
First Ones
Fifth Man
New Ground
Hathor
Resurrection
Proving Ground
The Warrior

LiquidBlue
July 27th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Round 39

Smoke and Mirrors
Rite of Passage
Entity
New Ground
Singularity
Shades of Grey
Revisions
Prophecy

ShimmeringStar
July 27th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Round 39:

1. Fire and Water
2. Evolution, Part 2
3. The First Ones
4. Evolution, Part 1
5. Thorís Chariot
6. Thorís Hammer
7. Prometheus
8. Fair Game

(in no particular order)

The Warrior
July 27th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Point of View
Divide and Conquer
Heroes, Part 2
Fragile Balance
Paradise Lost
Unnatural Selection
Hathor
Resurrection

keshou
July 27th, 2005, 09:52 PM
Round 39 - Least favorite episodes

Point of No Return
Out of Mind
Proving Ground
New Ground
Chain Reaction
Hathor
Desperate Measures
The Warrior

Katerine, I think you're doing a fabulous job running the tournament and putting out all those statistics. Frankly, I wouldn't go recruiting or worry about anything. I think you have a representative group and it will all come out in the wash.

I'm really really trying to judge the overall quality of ALL the episodes and not concentrate on a particular aspect I love or hate. In fact I'm bending over backwards trying to be fair to episodes that may contain a particular aspect of the show I dislike. I'm no S&J shipper but I thought - overall - that D&C was a decent dramatic episode with a good story and some nice angst and character moments. (In spite of the awkward S&J stuff that pretty much killed my interest in any ship). So it hasn't gone on my list yet. :) But....hmmmm.......Maybe I should abandon my principles. I can be bought for the right price. :p :D

CeeKay Sheppard
July 27th, 2005, 10:00 PM
Round 39:

Hathor <----just DIE already!
Singularity
Past and Present
Shades of Grey
Summit
Homecoming
Jolinar's Memories
The Devil You Know

Tucker Case
July 27th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Round Thirty-nine

Desperate Measures
Divide & Conquer
Entity
Metamorphosis
Out Of Mind
Point Of No Return
Prophecy
The Warrior

nyxlily
July 27th, 2005, 10:11 PM
Round 39:

1. The Fifth Man
2. Death Knell
3. Entity
4. Ascension
5. Resurrection
6. Show and Tell
7. Divide and Conquer
8. Metamorphosis

L-JADE
July 27th, 2005, 10:47 PM
Round 39 :

Resurrection
The Fifth Man
Holiday
Proving Ground
The Warrior (die! die! die! die! die!)
Entity
Cure
Revisions

Katerine you're doing a wonderful job. And I think the voter is as diverse as it can be, personal preferences aside, so far IMHO 'bad' episode has been vote-out. Personally I like Jack the most, but when I do this tournament, I look at the story itself and SG-1 at the whole not at each person. And I think most of the voter do that too.

Kliggins
July 27th, 2005, 10:54 PM
Round #39 (I hope)

Fire and Water
Forever in A Day
Legacy
Summit
Last Stand
Cure
Lifeboat
Resurrection

the dancer of spaz
July 27th, 2005, 11:42 PM
Round 39

The First Ones
The Warrior
New Ground
The Fifth Man
Hathor
Show and Tell
Message in a Bottle
Fire and Water ;)

Hey Katerine! I just wanted to let you know that I think you're doing a great job! You've always been upfront with your opinions, but you've been extremely unbiased and objective when it comes to getting the job done, and I really admire and appreciate that. I also totally understand why you want more fans voting, and I'll do what I can to promote this thread to other people! :D

When it comes to the shippers/Sam fans voting, I guess I always thought that the voting had gone in the other direction for a long time - with other demographics playing a key role in the outcome of rounds. The only reason why I think that is because within the first 11 rounds, 6 episodes that were voted off focused on Sam or were Sam-centric (i.e. "Emancipation," "Space Race," "Grace," and "Chimera").

I think this is mostly due to the fact that "Sam fans" didn't know about the tournament and weren't voting. I know that, had I known about the tournament in the beginning, I definitely would have participated more than I have! ;) I'm a team fan, and I've worked to vote off mediocre eps, but I'm also a shipper and will do whatever I can to salvage D&C. :D

divcon
July 28th, 2005, 12:01 AM
Round 39

Watergate
Deadman Switch
Scorched Earth
The Tomb
Summit
The Fifth Man
The First Ones
The Warrior

aizjanika
July 28th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Round 39 Votes:

1. Entity
2. Descent
3. Metamorphosis
4. Divide and Conquer
5. Prometheus
6. Redemption, Part 1
7. Desperate Measures
8. Cure


I haven't voted for several days. I missed six rounds, but still two of my episodes were voted off anyway. I hope I haven't goofed up here at all now. I had power trouble, internet trouble, and trouble getting into the forums... Everything was against me! ;-)


I hope more people will consider really reading the descriptions of the eps that remain and voting for some of the bad ones they've forgotten (like 48 hours), instead of voting based on ship.
But...I liked 48 Hours! hehe I didn't love it, but I thought it was a fantastic episode overall with a neat execution of the story. I loved McKay and I even loved Sam with McKay. Daniel was in Russia. Jack was with Maybourne. It was all good except that Teal'c wasn't in it much. :-) I prefer episodes where the team is mostly together or at least not quite so separated like this, but I still find this one enjoyable to watch. It's just not a favorite.

My dislike of Divide & Conquer isn't just about the ship thingee (which I don't acknowledge). Jack wouldn't have left Teal'c or Daniel behind either (or even a random stranger), so I don't think that told us anything about his feelings, though the way it played out was so silly. OTOH, I thought the whole story of the president coming to the SGC and the political stuff was lame--and they killed Martouf! Even that was so lame. I hated the whole Zatarc thing, too. There was very little interesting character interaction to make up for these shortcomings either. :-) And Anise... I never liked her either. There's just too much yuck in this episode to ignore.


When it comes to the shippers/Sam fans voting, I guess I always thought that the voting had gone in the other direction for a long time - with other demographics playing a key role in the outcome of rounds.
It's interesting that you say this because I thought the exact opposite was happening! ;-) I'm a Daniel fan and an anti-shipper, a fan of the Jack/Daniel friendship and also a Jack/Daniel slasher. Almost all of my favorite episodes have already been voted off or they will be soon, including the three Unas episodes (which were my top 3 favorites until I just revised my list, but they are still high up there) and The Light, One False Step, Spirits, Need...

I have a feeling that by the time we get to the final rounds, there won't be any episodes left that I think are really good or that are my personal favorites. ;-) I still am interested to see how it goes. Maybe we will both be surprised. :-)


My New Top 5 Favorite Episodes in Order

1. Need
2. Legacy
3. The Torment of Tantalus
4. Secrets
5. The Serpent's Lair


The Five Episodes that I Consider to be the Very Best in the Entire Series
(at least for today and I reserve the right to change my mind tomorrow)

1. Abyss
2. The Torment of Tantalus
3. Beast of Burden
4. Forever in a Day
5. There But for the Grace of God

IncessantBabbler
July 28th, 2005, 02:55 AM
The First Ones
Show and Tell
Cure
Message in a Bottle
The Warrior
The Fifth Man
Proving Ground
Frozen

Sue_Jackson
July 28th, 2005, 02:58 AM
Round 39:

1. The Enemy Within
2. A Matter of Time
3. Show and Tell
4. Point of View
5. Foothold
6. Deadman Switch
7. Divide and Conquer <------die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die
8. The Warrior





Okay, the reason I'm voting off D&C is......

1. They killed off Martouf way too soon for no good reason. (he was my favorite Tok'ra other than Jacob/Selmak)

2. The whole S/J shippy thing made uncomfortable. The only way I'll accept them together shiply (word?) is when Jack retires. As long as they are the service, it's just wrong because fraternization between two ranking officers strictly forbbiden in the military. Plus, I find myself fast forwarding through those shippy moments anyway. So, I don't even bother watching thep anymore.

Aither
July 28th, 2005, 04:06 AM
Round 39 :

Message in a Bottle
Point of No Return
Desperate Measures
New Ground
The Other Side
Entity
Fail Safe
Cure

SimilarCadence
July 28th, 2005, 05:08 AM
Round 39

The Other Side
The Warrior
Resurrection
The Fifth Man
Metamorphosis
New Ground
Entity
Learning Curve

I'm not exactly sure if I fit into any demographic. I'm pro-Jack/Sam but not obsessively so. The family-ish relationships between Jack, Sam, Daniel and Teal'c are what kept me coming back each time (which is most likely why I've lost interest in Season 9's "new" Stargate----the thrill is gone:(). In all honesty if I had to choose between either Jack/Sam or Jack/Sam/Daniel/Teal'c, I'd take the latter (although I'm still pulling for Jack/Sam). I rarely go to ship and thunk threads (unless there's something there that piques my interest)..... I tend to float around the threads till something catches my eye. (Do you have a "floater" demographic? :))

I genuinely hope the results of this poll are representative of a broad cross-section of Stargate SG-1 fans and not tilted in the direction of any one group.Being relatively new to SG-1 fandom, I've escaped the eight long years of slow build-up and breakdown of SG-1 characters' relationships. I've experienced it all in less than a year so there has been less time for prejudices---sorry if that's too strong a word---to erupt. Hey, I even like Jonas despite the fact that I identify strongly with Daniel!

One thing I'd be very interested in knowing would be the ratio of male to female voters---are many guys taking part in this poll?

Cassie
July 28th, 2005, 08:20 AM
The First Ones
The Other Side
48 hours
The Fifth Man
Hathor
Lifeboat
Show and Tell
Legacy

m_wendy_r
July 28th, 2005, 08:43 AM
Round 39

1. Out of Mind
2. The Nox
3. Thor's Hammer
4. Fire and Water
5. Forever in a Day
6. Revisions
7. Cure
8. Scorched Earth

Wendy
Hugs :)

PS. Katrine, I wouldn't worry too much about the demographic of the fans. I think alot of people tend to fall into different sub-sections of fandom, so some people are going to find it hard to say which they are.

Alessiana
July 28th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Round 39

1. Divide and Conquer
2. The Fifth Man
3. Cure
4. Frozen
5. Entity
6. Desperate Measures
7. Point of No Return
8. The Warrior

T_S
July 28th, 2005, 10:14 AM
Round 39

Fire and Water
The Tok'Ra, Part 1
The Tok'Ra, Part 2
Urgo
Paradise Lost
Heroes, Part 1
Heroes, Part 2
The Warrior

LoneStar1836
July 28th, 2005, 10:56 AM
Least favorite episodes: Round 39

Out of Mind
Entity
Hathor
Proving Ground
Beneath the Surface
New Ground
Point of No Return
The Warrior


Just wanted to say you are doing a fine job, Katerine. :)

As far as falling into a sub-category, well Iím most definitely anti-S/J ship, but I have yet to vote for D&C based on that principle. I think I voted for it once a couple of rounds ago more as a strategic vote to save another ep. Course thatís basically why Iím voting for The Warrior this round because I like The First Ones even though I used to hate that episode cause I was never a fan of Unas eps, but I have sort of become a Daniel fan the past couple of years and decided to go back and give that ep a chance and after multiple viewing have come to decide that it really isnít that bad of an ep and is a really good Daniel-centric ep. It is Daniel in his element. Though I still donít like the Unas, but they have provided good stories for two eps. Thatís why I like Beast of Burden more for the moral dilemma it poses, not necessarily because I just love the wonderful communication skills of the Unas. :D Anyway, Iíll try to avoid voting on an episode based purely on my dislike for S/J ship, though Evolution II better watch out. Never had the chance to vote out Grace since it went out early and there were other eps that I disliked more.

Angelique
July 28th, 2005, 03:06 PM
Round 39

Resurrection
Scorched Earth
Message in a Bottle
Learning Curve
Shades of Grey
The Other Side
The Warrior
New Ground

ForeverSg1
July 28th, 2005, 05:55 PM
The First Ones
New Ground
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
Show and Tell
Desperate Measures
Message in a Bottle
Point of No Return

I'm not sure about others here, but I originally dropped by this thread after the 6th round and after seeing which episodes had already been voted off I decided not to bother. To be honest, until this poll was posted on the Sam thread, it just seemed to me that this was another Daniel centric poll. I know many Sam centric episodes are not the most popular, but it's very disheartening as someone who likes Sam to see so many of these episodes bite the dust within the first 12 rounds. I can think of many others that I thought were far worse. I mean Grace goes out before Touchstone and Wormhole? So, for me personally if it hadn't been for someone posting to join this poll, I would never have come.

Now as much as I like Sam, I don't go after Daniel episodes. I really think MS did a great job in First Ones, but personally the story itself just doesn't hold my attention. I never liked Need, but I didn't like it because it put Daniel in a position where he allowed a girl to manipulate him while his team members suffered (granted it was an addiction that caused him to behave this way, but overall I didn't like the episode because of this fact). Yes it had some very touching moments between Jack/Daniel, but I did not like Daniel in most of the episode so therefore I voted it off.

The problem with these polls is that each episode holds something different and special for each of us. For me personally, there are very few episodes where I can't find an endearing moment: one that made me laugh, smile, gasp, or cry; but it doesn't mean that the episode as a whole is my favorite or that others liked it at all. Every episode holds different sentimental values for each of us, but just because one is voted off does not mean it did not have merit or worth. I hope people look at each episode separately and look at what each has to offer and vote accordingly and not simply if it is shippy or not, or that it concentrated on one character more than another.

I have a weakness for Sam/Jack, but I wouldn't call myself a shipper and the reason being is that I don't dislike an episode strictly because it doesn't show Sam and Jack as 'item'. Not all shippers are like this, but many are and this is probably why I don't consider myself one. I'm a fence walker. I enjoyed the ship in some of the episodes and disliked it immensely in others. I like the idea of Sam/Jack together some day, but not at the risk of weakening a character I have enjoyed (which I think some episodes have done) and certainly not if it meant breaking up the team.

One of my all-time favorite episodes is 2010, which many people seem to detest for some reason or another. I also liked 2001, 100 days, and Ascension but they aren't on my top 10 list. But then again I also really liked Red Sky and 48 Hours and it seems as if many do not like them either. What I am finding out by this poll , more than anything, is that I do not seem to fit in any demographic and episodes that I have loved and cherished over the years are often the same ones that many people detest. :)

I personally loved Grace and not for what some would consider to be the shippy moments. I loved Grace because I saw Sam take charge of a situation where she was alone and had noone to rely other than herself. In most other episodes involving Sam being hurt, kidnapped, ect Jack and the boys have always come to her rescue. This was the one episode where Sam did it on her own and I for one thought Amanda did a superb acting job. The thing I find so incredibly bizzare is the fact that according to the ratings list ... Grace recieved the highest syndication rating of all the season seven episodes with a 2.5 rating. Even higher than Lost City, Fallen, or Heroes and yet it seems to have been one of the most disliked episodes according to this poll. Personally I feel if more people knew about this poll at the beginning, the voting process wouldn't have been the same as it was. But that's just my two cents.

All that said, I think you have done an amazing job with the poll, Katherine. These polls are fun, but I do not think they give an accurate view to what the average viewer really enjoys. We are all here for a reason. We are not the 'average' fan. We have all stepped across that line and obviously we each have favorite characters and our opinions may be a bit skewed based on those feelings. It's definitely been interesting for me to see what types of shows everyone likes and dislikes and hearing the different reasons.

Katerine
July 28th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Round 39 is done, the votes are tallied :)

Many thanks to everybody for their responses - they were very informative, helpful, encouraging, and reassuring. :) :) I guess I was mostly just concerned that people who all like the same thing tend to do so because they have common tastes, and those tastes are reflected in the eps they like or don't like, but you all have a very good point about how the demographics aren't as simple as the fan threads make it seem.

Not that I don't still want to get more people voting from everywhere. :)

Speaking of, welcome to all the new people! :)

SimilarCadence: Well, I'm female. :)

fair_nymph: What Capt. said. :) You can always find the list of eliminated eps and the list of eps remaining by going to the first post of the thread.

htnwahs: You asked how long it took to do the tally; the answer is "it depends." I think it usually takes about 45 seconds per post, on average, to enter them into the database. So if there are 55 posts, that's about an hour, if you include all the time spent waiting for the internet. The reason it comes out to a bit more than 45 seconds a post is that I don't do it all in one stretch - I usually do the data entry in pieces throughout the day, so there's quite a bit of "waiting for the internet" in there.

Ok. Then, at the time of tallying, I do the following (easiest for me if I just write it kind of like I were writing instructions. Sorry if it's TMI :) ):
1. ? minutes - Make sure there are no new posts.
2. 2-5 minutes per post - Run the "bad posts" query to get the post numbers of anything I'd marked as a "bad post." Find the posts in here, double-check that the error hadn't been fixed since I'd first entered it. If it has been fixed, find it in database and uncheck "bad post." If it hasn't, figure out why I'd marked it as bad and write a message in the "round results" textfile (where I edit these posts).
3. ? minutes - Run the query that gives me the post numbers of all posts I'd marked as needing my response (but were not bad posts). Write responses into the "round results" textfile.
4. ? minutes - Write my opinions. (#3 and #4 are usually the biggest time-consumers.)
5. ? minutes - Make sure there are no new posts.
6. 1-2 minutes - Run the report that tells me the tallies for this round. Note which ep got the most votes. Find that ep in the table and enter the elimination round for that ep.
7. 2-5 minutes - Export all of the reports I need to text files (I have code that does all this for me at once. There are definitely advantages to being a database programmer for a living :) ). Get rid of the occasional blank lines that Access adds to exported text files. Copy and paste the tally and the season standings reports to the "round results" textfile. Run query to get the count of the valid responses this round; type it in.
8. ? minutes - Make sure there are no new posts. If there are, enter them and repeat step 7.
9. 1 minute - Copy and paste "round results" to a new post and submit.
10. 5-8 minutes - Open "tournament main post" textfile. Change the current round number. Copy the most recent "detailed results" link to the "past results" section, edit the text there. Change the "detailed results" link text to reflect the most recently completed round. Copy the shortcut to the round results to that link. Copy the most recently eliminated ep from one of the exported Access reports to the "eliminated episodes" section. Locate the ep in the "episodes remaining" section; delete it there. Copy the most recent season standings. Edit the initial post of the forum, copy and paste.

And... that's it. Depending on bad posts, post responses, and opinions, the final tally (not counting the initial data entry time) can take anywhere between 15 minutes to two hours. :)

As always, apologies to those who didn't get their votes counted:

warmbeachbrat and Derek: Need and The Light are already gone. Sorry...

And here are the results:
(5.18) The Warrior - 29
(5.04) The Fifth Man - 22
(7.19) Resurrection - 22
(3.19) New Ground - 21
(4.08) The First Ones - 19
(2.20) Show and Tell - 16
(4.20) Entity - 16
(5.11) Desperate Measures - 16
(6.16) Metamorphosis - 16
(1.14) Hathor - 15
(4.05) Divide and Conquer - 15
(2.07) Message in a Bottle - 13
(4.07) Watergate - 12
(5.13) Proving Ground - 12
(1.13) Fire and Water - 11
(3.10) Forever in a Day - 9
(4.11) Point of No Return - 9
(3.05) Learning Curve - 8
(6.04) Frozen - 8
(6.10) Cure - 8
(7.05) Revisions - 8
(1.03) The Enemy Within - 7
(2.17) Holiday - 7
(2.22) Out of Mind - 7
(6.21) Prophecy - 7
(3.16) Urgo - 6
(4.02) The Other Side - 6
(1.19) Tin Man - 5
(3.07) Deadman Switch - 5
(4.10) Beneath the Surface - 5
(5.15) Summit - 5
(6.11) Prometheus - 5
(3.04) Legacy - 4
(4.09) Scorched Earth - 4
(5.02) Threshold - 4
(6.19) The Changeling - 4
(1.08) The Nox - 3
(3.18) Shades of Grey - 3
(5.03) Ascension - 3
(7.04) Orpheus - 3
(7.06) Lifeboat - 3
(1.10) Thor's Hammer - 2
(1.15) Singularity - 2
(2.16) A Matter of Time - 2
(2.21) 1969 - 2
(3.03) Fair Game - 2
(3.06) Point of View - 2
(3.11) Past and Present - 2
(3.14) Foothold - 2
(3.15) Pretense - 2
(4.15) Chain Reaction - 2
(4.16) 2010 - 2
(5.14) 48 Hours - 2
(5.16) Last Stand - 2
(6.03) Descent - 2
(6.15) Paradise Lost - 2
(7.18) Heroes, Part 2 - 2
(1.11) The Torment of Tantalus - 1
(1.17) Enigma - 1
(2.06) Thor's Chariot - 1
(2.11) The Tok'Ra, Part 1 - 1
(2.12) The Tok'Ra, Part 2 - 1
(3.12) Jolinar's Memories - 1
(3.13) The Devil You Know - 1
(4.13) The Curse - 1
(4.17) Absolute Power - 1
(5.06) Rite of Passage - 1
(5.08) The Tomb - 1
(5.17) Fail Safe - 1
(5.21) Meridian - 1
(6.01) Redemption, Part 1 - 1
(6.09) Allegiance - 1
(6.12) Unnatural Selection - 1
(6.14) Smoke and Mirrors - 1
(7.02) Homecoming - 1
(7.03) Fragile Balance - 1
(7.11) Evolution, Part 1 - 1
(7.12) Evolution, Part 2 - 1
(7.16) Death Knell - 1
(7.17) Heroes, Part 1 - 1

The Warrior is gone!

And, again, in case anybody is curious, here are the season overall standings:

Number of episodes per season with 6 or more votes:
Season 1 : 3 / 14 episodes
Season 2 : 4 / 14 episodes
Season 3 : 4 / 18 episodes
Season 4 : 6 / 19 episodes
Season 5 : 4 / 18 episodes
Season 6 : 4 / 15 episodes
Season 7 : 2 / 14 episodes

Overall Season Rankings: (listed best to worst) (here is the explanation (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4316623&postcount=432) if you want to know how it works.)
5 - 6.082%
3 - 6.204%
4 - 6.790%
1 - 10.033%
6 - 10.088%
7 - 10.321%
2 - 11.014%

And here are current season rankings, just judging on the basis of eliminations (listed best to worst).
4 - 3 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 94
3 - 4 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 90
5 - 5 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 149
6 - 7 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 135
2 - 8 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 144
7 - 8 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 133
1 - 8 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 132

Valid Posts this Round: 57

That's it! Now, everybody vote again for the next round! (Initial post with current standings and episodes remaining (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4295728&postcount=1))

My votes and opinions:
Metamorphosis
Message in a Bottle
Beneath the Surface
Desperate Measures
Prophecy
Entity
Point of No Return
Holiday

Kind of surprised at The Warrior. Not because of the ep quality, but just because it got such a strong lead out of nowhere! I just wasn't expecting that. :D

warmbeachbrat: You make some good points re: The Other Side. I agree that Jack seemed to feel betrayed, and I think more than a little angry with himself for being so trusting (not to mention the way he treated Daniel). However, I've read a few fanfics about that ep, and many seem to interpret Jack's actions at the end as judgemental and/or vindictive, but I just don't see it that way.

Jack was told that "they started the war." Which meant that Odo (or whatever his name was - it's been a while since I've seen it too. I'll just call him "Odo." :) ) had lied to him in order to get the water he needed. He'd already shown signs of being desperate and demanding. It was reasonable to assume that he wasn't just going to take "no" for an answer and let SG1 go home. And, in fact, he didn't take "no" for an answer - he threatened Sam and Daniel when they told him "no."

This meant that Jack had to go on the offensive if he were to get his team home safely. So he did. Then he warned Odo not to follow them through the gate, because no matter how you look at it, Odo was a threat to national security. Every bit as much of a threat as, say, a loyal Jaffa.

So, to me, it seemed that Jack's actions at the end were reasonable. Regrettable, but reasonable.

Re: 48 hours: I also liked that ep. It wasn't the best ep (since everybody was scattered working on different things, and Teal'c was missing for most of the ep), but I liked how they were all working towards a common goal - bringing Teal'c back (contrast with Death Knell, Fallout, and Evolution Part 2), and each of them was in their element, doing a very good job. Good writing, good character development.

CeeKay Sheppard
July 28th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Round 40:

Hathor
Singularity
Past and Present
Shades of Grey
Summit
Homecoming
Jolinar's Memories
The Devil You Know

ForeverSg1
July 28th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Dang, I think my big mouth kept me from making the 39th round deadline. Oh well. Here's my list for ...

Round 40
The First Ones
New Ground
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
Show and Tell
Desperate Measures
Message in a Bottle
Point of No Return

GatetheWay
July 28th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Resurrection
Forever in a Day
The Fifth Man
Divide and Conquer
Message in a Bottle
Desperate Measures
Proving Ground
Revisions

Capt. Voronokova
July 28th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Round Forty

1. Prometheus
2. Show and Tell
3. Learning Curve
4. Frozen
5. Metamorphosis
6. Urgo
7. Prophecy
8. Watergate

CatGoddess
July 28th, 2005, 06:40 PM
Show and Tell
Message in a Bottle
Entity
Divide and Conquer
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
Metamorphosis
New Ground

undomesticated_equine
July 28th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Round 40:

Past and Present
New Ground
Divide and Conquer
Watergate
The Curse
Desperate Measures
Revisions
Resurrection

girlgater
July 28th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Round 40:

The Fifth Man
Resurrection
New Ground
The First Ones
Show and Tell
Watergate
Proving Ground
Learning Curve

SG1Poz
July 28th, 2005, 06:51 PM
LEAST FAVORITES:

Round 40:

Tin Man

Holiday

Deadman Switch

The First Ones

Watergate

The Fifth Man

The Changeling

Cure

sg1 volgman
July 28th, 2005, 06:52 PM
metamorphosis
beneath the surface
divide and conquer
forever in a day
forsaken
smoke and mirrors
the first ones
absolute power

Sue_Jackson
July 28th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Round 40:

1. The Enemy Within
2. A Matter of Time
3. Show and Tell
4. Point of View
5. Foothold
6. Deadman Switch
7. Divide and Conquer
8. The Fifth Man

bravesmom63
July 28th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Round 40

Divide & Conquer
Message in a Bottle
Fair Game
Pretense
The Nox
Metamorphosis
Descent
Hathor

Tucker Case
July 28th, 2005, 07:27 PM
Round Forty

Desperate Measures
Divide & Conquer
Entity
Frozen
Metamorphosis
Out Of Mind
Point Of No Return
Prophecy

Cassie
July 28th, 2005, 08:11 PM
The Fifth Man
The Other Side
Lifeboat
Watergate
Learning Curve
Hathor
Legacy
Show and Tell

Angelique
July 28th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Round 40

Resurrection
Scorched Earth
Message in a Bottle
Learning Curve
Shades of Grey
The Other Side
The Fifth Man
New Ground

Shir
July 28th, 2005, 08:52 PM
The Fifth Man
Prophecy
Resurrection
The Enemy Within
Threshold
The First Ones
The Changeling
Metamorphosis

The Warrior
July 28th, 2005, 08:53 PM
: Gasp : You people eliminated me! :( :p (JK)

Point of View
Divide and Conquer
Heroes, Part 2
Fragile Balance
Paradise Lost
Unnatural Selection
Hathor
Resurrection

Honestly, there are few episodes that I really truly dislike. Sure, I never liked the ship and that is a determining factor in some of my votes, but I vote for most of the episodes I vote for because they were either boring or pointless, or I didn't like a certain storyline or aspect of the episode. There are very dew episodes that I consider to be all or even mostly bad.

tsaxlady
July 28th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Round 40

The Summit
The First Ones
Last Stand
Resurrection
Cure
Orpheus
Fire And Water
Absolute Power

trupi
July 28th, 2005, 09:12 PM
Round 40
Hathor
Smoke and Mirrors
The first Ones
Metamorphosis
Absolute Power
Tin Man
The changling
Forever in a Day

L-JADE
July 28th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Round 40 :

Resurrection
The Fifth Man
Holiday
Proving Ground
Watergate
Entity
Cure
Revisions

LOL4JACK
July 28th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Round 40

1.- The Fifth Man
2.- Orpheus
3.- Desperate Measures
4.- New Ground
5.- Show and Tell
6.- The First Ones
7.- Foothold
8.- Threshold

WOW, round 40... how many rounds do you think it will take?

JanusAncient
July 28th, 2005, 09:43 PM
Round 40:

The Enemy Within
Tin Man
Message in a Bottle
Holiday
Urgo
New Ground
Entity
Proving Ground

nyxlily
July 28th, 2005, 09:53 PM
Round 40:

1. The Fifth Man
2. Death Knell
3. Entity
4. Ascension
5. Resurrection
6. Show and Tell
7. Divide and Conquer
8. Metamorphosis

aizjanika
July 28th, 2005, 10:42 PM
Round 40 Votes:

1. Entity
2. Descent
3. Metamorphosis
4. Divide and Conquer
5. Prometheus
6. Redemption, Part 1
7. Desperate Measures
8. Cure

Just my two cents, but I don't think it's possible to be entirely objective about the voting. What makes a good episode for me may not for someone else--and this tournament is making that even more clear to me as we discuss what we like or dislike about certain episodes. :-) I think that my feelings about certain characters or storylines will affect how I vote because it affects whether or not I actually saw it as a good episode or a poorly written and/or poorly executed one.

Take Need, for example. I could write a thesis on that episode about what it said about the characters and their relationships. hehe (In fact, others with more insight and better writing skills than I actually have written essays about it--fascinating stuff!) My daughter and I have discussed this episode endlessly and I've read/posted about it in LiveJournal comments and on countless message board threads. I love that episode, but others see it as an episode that showed Daniel acting badly (as a character) or just had OTT acting (when I thought the acting was outstanding--some of the best in the entire series). I love complexity of character. I don't want my characters to be perfect. Perfect = boring. :-)


I'm not sure about others here, but I originally dropped by this thread after the 6th round and after seeing which episodes had already been voted off I decided not to bother. To be honest, until this poll was posted on the Sam thread, it just seemed to me that this was another Daniel centric poll.

It's funny that you say this, because when I first came here at the beginning of the tournament, I thought the exact opposite--that everyone here is/was pro-ship--especially as I saw pretty much all of my most favorite episodes get voted off in the earliest rounds and/or getting a ton of votes. Now, though, I realize that a lot of favorite episodes on both sides have been voted off, and everyone has their own reasons for how they vote--including me. :-) I was sad at first and did consider not sticking around, but everyone here is so very nice, and the tournament itself is very addicting, isn't it? :-) I can't stay away.

Thank you again, Katerine, for taking the time to do this. It sounds like a lot of work, but it's so much fun so I'm glad you are willing to do it. :-)

ETA: I also feel like I have a much greater understanding of why people like the show or certain aspects of the show from a much wider perspective than I had before. I avoided this forum for a long time because I wasn't sure I'd be welcome here, but it's been fun so far.

lonely_star
July 28th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Round 40

1.- The Fifth Man
2.- Orpheus
3.- Desperate Measures
4.- New Ground
5.- Show and Tell
6.- The First Ones
7.- Foothold
8.- Threshold

TheWarrior
July 28th, 2005, 11:50 PM
The Enemy Within
Tin Man
Out of Mind
Learning Curve
Beneath the Surface
Fail Safe
Frozen
Revisions

Atlantis1
July 29th, 2005, 12:44 AM
Hathor
The Nox
Forever in a Day
2010
Beneath the Surface
1969
Allegiance
The Other Side

Caro
July 29th, 2005, 01:21 AM
Round 40 :

The Fifth Man
The First Ones
The Curse
Summit
Threshold
Legacy
48 hours
Show and Tell

Sam_o_Neill
July 29th, 2005, 02:16 AM
Round 40:

Enigma
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
Resurrection
Watergate
Meridian
The Changeling
Orpheus
__________________

Derek
July 29th, 2005, 03:19 AM
Orpheus
Learning Curve
Message in a Bottle
New Ground
The Light
Entity
Rite of Passage
Metamorphosis

Easter Lily
July 29th, 2005, 03:42 AM
Round 40 (Wow... already... amazing... time flies when you're having fun)
The First Ones
Legacy
Hathor
Urgo
A Matter of Time
Divide and Conquer (Poor Martouf... I loved you much...)
New Ground
Entity

The Warrior wasn't that bad... :S The First Ones on the other hand... :p There must be a strong anti-Jaffa crowd in here... :p

galaxy
July 29th, 2005, 04:06 AM
Round 40

1. Unas: They should be The First Ones to be voted out this round! Pleeease! :D
2. The Other Side
3. The Fifth Man
4. Learning Curve (Learn to say goodbye)
5. Threshold
6. Deadman Switch (Dead is the keyword here)
7. Watergate
8. Torment of galaxy....uh..I mean Tantalus


:) :) :)

Jonisa
July 29th, 2005, 04:20 AM
Entity
Chain Reaction
Metamorphosis
Learning Curve
Frozen
Divide and Conquer
Desperate Measures
Proving Ground

SimilarCadence
July 29th, 2005, 05:14 AM
Round 40 (and counting....)

The Other Side
Resurrection
The Fifth Man
Metamorphosis
New Ground
Entity
Show and Tell
Learning Curve

Lida
July 29th, 2005, 05:16 AM
Round 40

1. The First Ones
2. New Ground
3. Resurrection
4. Metamorphosis
5. Watergate
6. Fire and Wire
7. The Changeling
8. Learning Curve

warmbeachbrat
July 29th, 2005, 05:19 AM
Round 40:

The Nox
Hathor
Holiday
Urgo
Watergate
The Tomb
Prometheus
Nemesis

Thanks for your comments Katerine--I'm going to take The Other Side off my list until I have a chance to watch it again and give it another chance.

T_S
July 29th, 2005, 05:28 AM
Round 40

Scorched Earth
Fire and Water
The Tok'Ra, Part 1
The Tok'Ra, Part 2
Urgo
Paradise Lost
Heroes, Part 1
Heroes, Part 2

Skydiver
July 29th, 2005, 05:45 AM
round 40

Resurrection
The First Ones
Fire and Water
Revisions
Legacy
Lifeboat
entity
homecoming

brihana25
July 29th, 2005, 05:57 AM
Okay, so I'll give this a go. It sounds fun. :)

Round 40

Prophecy
48 hours
The Serpent's Venom
Learning Curve
Fail Safe (the most boring episode ever)
Rite of Passage (the second most boring episode ever)
Point of No Return (the third stupidest episode ever)
Revisions (*yawn*)

Aither
July 29th, 2005, 07:05 AM
Round 40 :

Message in a Bottle
Point of No Return
Desperate Measures
New Ground
The Other Side
Entity
Fail Safe
Cure

Seshat
July 29th, 2005, 07:22 AM
Honestly, there are few episodes that I really truly dislike. Sure, I never liked the ship and that is a determining factor in some of my votes, but I vote for most of the episodes I vote for because they were either boring or pointless, or I didn't like a certain storyline or aspect of the episode. There are very dew episodes that I consider to be all or even mostly bad.

I agree with The Warrior! We each have had a few eps that we were happy to see eliminated, but I doubt anyone participating really HATES any ep. (Well, except maybe for Emancipation, we seemed to all be in agreement about that ep...but even that had a few good points if you squinted really hard, I guess. :rolleyes: ) I may joke around about hating the occasional ep (Die, Seth, Die!), but I think this poll has now moved well beyond the point of weeding out most people's first choices for 'worst' and is in that long middle ground of eliminating what we consider the mediocre.

I think we've also learned that it's not wise to make general assumptions about the voters. I never had Grace on my cross-off list, yet I've had Entity on there forever. Does that make me a Sam-supporter or a Sam-hater? Neither! I really like Sam, but a poor Sam ep is still a poor ep. It's just that MY idea of a poor ep will vary from YOUR idea, and that is to be expected! I don't expect people to be objective in their voting - this is an opinion poll. That's why the comments are so helpful in understanding why someone we disagreed with voted they way they did. And just because an ep I loved is voted out early does not change my high opinion of it. ;) I'm not telling anyone what they SHOULD like, I'm asking them what they liked best and why, so I can learn more about them, and perhaps more about myself in the process.

Round 40
Message in a Bottle
The Enemy Within
Entity
Prophecy
Divide and Conquer
Desperate Measures
Hathor
Show and Tell

.:Lemon:.
July 29th, 2005, 08:25 AM
Show And Tell
Pretense
Desperate Measures
Resurrection
The Enemy Within
Watergate
New Ground
Revisions

semagic
July 29th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Entity
In the Line of Duty
Into the Fire
Divide and Conquer
Revelations
Metamorphosis
Death Knell

LoneStar1836
July 29th, 2005, 10:04 AM
Least favorite episodes: Round 40

Out of Mind
Entity
Hathor
Proving Ground
Beneath the Surface
New Ground
Point of No Return
Resurrection

ComTraya
July 29th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Round 40:

Message in a Bottle
New Ground
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
Hathor
Show and Tell
Desperate Measures
Forever in a day

the dancer of spaz
July 29th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Round 40

The First Ones
The Fifth Man
New Ground
Show and Tell
Message in a Bottle
Proving Ground
Frozen
Resurrection

Currently, Entity, Desperate Measures, Metamorphosis, Hathor, and Divide and Conquer are all roughly 5 rounds away from getting eliminated. They're all listed in a row, and they tend to be within the Top 15 of every round. As I said before, 6 out of the first 11 rounds eliminated eps that focused on Sam or could be considered Sam-centric ("Emancipation," "Space Race," "Nightwalkers," "Grace," "Chimera," "Avenger 2.0"). Other eps that focused on Sam or ship followed shortly thereafter. The rest pretty much either focused on Teal'c or Jonas. I'm seriously surprised that D&C wasn't one of the first to go. And I'm sorry, but if this thread had been peppered with an equal amount of ALL kinds of fans, these eps would not have been eliminated so quickly. It's seriously implausible. :S

And this, by no means, is a reflection on Katerine, either. Katerine, I think you are one of very few members who could be so upfront yet objective about the tallying of votes and your reasons behind your own. This was a great idea, and I think evening the voting is still a good plan. :)

Frostfox
July 29th, 2005, 10:43 AM
Round 40

1. Learning Curve
2. Frozen
3. Divide and Conquer - they killed off my lovely Martuf!
4. The Fifth Man - I had forgotten how dull I found this one, yawn.
5. Entity
6. Revisions - Most boring episode ever, in my not so humble opinion.
7. Metamorphosis
8. Prometheus
_________

TheOtherDave
July 29th, 2005, 12:17 PM
Round 40:

Beneath the Surface
Resurrection
Absolute Power
Threshold
Maternal Instinct
Serpent's Song
Divide and Conquer
Paradise Lost

IncessantBabbler
July 29th, 2005, 01:05 PM
1. The First Ones
2. Ressurection
3. The Fifth Man
4. New Ground
5. Show and Tell
6. Hathor
7. Proving Ground
8. Fire and Water

Matt G
July 29th, 2005, 01:41 PM
Ascension
Resurrection
Message in a Bottle
Divide and Conquer
Forever in a Day
Frozen
Revisions
Threshold

SueS
July 29th, 2005, 01:50 PM
Round 40

Enigma
Out of Mind
Divide and Conquer
Desperate Measures
Prophecy
Metamorphosis
Homecoming
Death Knell



SueS

Celsius
July 29th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Message in a Bottle
Out of Mind
New Ground
Beneath the Surface
Point of No Return
Entity
Show and Tell
The First Ones

ann_sgcfan
July 29th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Proving Ground
The First Ones
The Fifth Man
New Ground
Show and Tell
Prometheus
Frozen
Resurrection

Katerine
July 29th, 2005, 06:41 PM
Round 40 is done, the votes are tallied :)

Again, welcome to all the new people! :)

As always, apologies to those who didn't get their votes counted:

sg1 volgman: Forsaken is already gone.

Derek: The Light is already gone.

semagic: Welcome to the tournament! FYI, your post was good, except that I need exactly 8 votes in order to count your post. If you add an eighth in future rounds, then I can count them. Thanks :)

And here are the results:
(7.19) Resurrection - 23
(5.04) The Fifth Man - 21
(2.20) Show and Tell - 19
(3.19) New Ground - 19
(4.08) The First Ones - 17
(4.05) Divide and Conquer - 16
(4.20) Entity - 16
(5.11) Desperate Measures - 14
(6.16) Metamorphosis - 14
(2.07) Message in a Bottle - 13
(1.14) Hathor - 12
(3.05) Learning Curve - 11
(4.07) Watergate - 11
(5.13) Proving Ground - 9
(7.05) Revisions - 9
(6.04) Frozen - 8
(4.11) Point of No Return - 7
(5.02) Threshold - 7
(6.21) Prophecy - 7
(1.03) The Enemy Within - 6
(3.10) Forever in a Day - 6
(4.02) The Other Side - 6
(4.10) Beneath the Surface - 6
(1.13) Fire and Water - 5
(2.17) Holiday - 5
(2.22) Out of Mind - 5
(3.16) Urgo - 5
(6.10) Cure - 5
(6.11) Prometheus - 5
(6.19) The Changeling - 5
(1.19) Tin Man - 4
(3.04) Legacy - 4
(7.04) Orpheus - 4
(1.08) The Nox - 3
(3.07) Deadman Switch - 3
(3.14) Foothold - 3
(4.17) Absolute Power - 3
(5.15) Summit - 3
(5.17) Fail Safe - 3
(6.15) Paradise Lost - 3
(7.02) Homecoming - 3
(1.17) Enigma - 2
(2.16) A Matter of Time - 2
(3.06) Point of View - 2
(3.11) Past and Present - 2
(3.15) Pretense - 2
(3.18) Shades of Grey - 2
(4.09) Scorched Earth - 2
(4.13) The Curse - 2
(5.03) Ascension - 2
(5.14) 48 Hours - 2
(6.03) Descent - 2
(7.06) Lifeboat - 2
(7.16) Death Knell - 2
(7.18) Heroes, Part 2 - 2
(1.11) The Torment of Tantalus - 1
(1.15) Singularity - 1
(2.11) The Tok'Ra, Part 1 - 1
(2.12) The Tok'Ra, Part 2 - 1
(2.18) Serpent's Song - 1
(2.21) 1969 - 1
(3.03) Fair Game - 1
(3.12) Jolinar's Memories - 1
(3.13) The Devil You Know - 1
(3.20) Maternal Instinct - 1
(3.22) Nemesis - 1
(4.14) The Serpent's Venom - 1
(4.15) Chain Reaction - 1
(4.16) 2010 - 1
(5.06) Rite of Passage - 1
(5.08) The Tomb - 1
(5.16) Last Stand - 1
(5.21) Meridian - 1
(6.01) Redemption, Part 1 - 1
(6.09) Allegiance - 1
(6.12) Unnatural Selection - 1
(6.14) Smoke and Mirrors - 1
(7.03) Fragile Balance - 1
(7.17) Heroes, Part 1 - 1

Resurrection is gone!

And, again, in case anybody is curious, here are the season overall standings:

Number of episodes per season with 6 or more votes:
Season 1 : 2 / 14 episodes
Season 2 : 2 / 14 episodes
Season 3 : 3 / 18 episodes
Season 4 : 7 / 19 episodes
Season 5 : 4 / 17 episodes
Season 6 : 3 / 15 episodes
Season 7 : 2 / 14 episodes

Overall Season Rankings: (listed best to worst) (here is the explanation (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4316623&postcount=432) if you want to know how it works.)
5 - 6.171%
3 - 6.284%
4 - 6.883%
1 - 10.070%
6 - 10.146%
7 - 10.384%
2 - 11.058%

And here are current season rankings, just judging on the basis of eliminations (listed best to worst).
4 - 3 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 94
3 - 4 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 90
5 - 5 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 149
6 - 7 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 135
2 - 8 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 144
1 - 8 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 132
7 - 9 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 173

Valid Posts this Round: 50

That's it! Now, everybody vote again for the next round! (Initial post with current standings and episodes remaining (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4295728&postcount=1))

My votes and opinions:
Metamorphosis
Message in a Bottle
Beneath the Surface
Desperate Measures
Prophecy
Point of No Return
Holiday
Frozen

the dancer of spaz: Thanks for the compliments. :) You do a pretty good job of being objective yourself. :)

Regarding your list of Sam-centric eps that were eliminated early or are currently getting a lot of votes, you mentioned that you didn't think they would have been eliminated if all fans were equally represented. Speaking just for myself, these are the ones you mentioned which are in my bottom 25:

- When I think of Avenger 2.0 (eliminated), I think of Felgar, whom I despise with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. :P I'm not alone, either - most votes for Avenger 2.0 were accompanied with comments along the lines of "Die, Felgar, Die!" I don't think of Sam - in fact, I didn't even remember about her until you reminded me... It really doesn't matter anyway. Even if it were Daniel-centric, any Felgar ep would be high on my "get rid of" list.

- When I think of Grace (eliminated), I think of a largely-silent, confusing, and rather boring ep that developed Sam in, IMO, the utterly wrong direction.

- When I think of Space Race (eliminated), I think of completely unbelievable cultural parallels on a totally alien world - what are the odds that a completely alien world is going to have televised sporting events with commercials?

- When I think of Emancipation (eliminated), I think of an ep with a rather tired plotline and a moral which any given person either already understands on a fundamental level, or is never going to. Although come to think of it, I probably shouldn't have ranked it as low as I did - the ending did have that feel-good quality to it, and it was a good Sam ep. But, too, at least in my mind, Season 1 and Season 2 eps in general suffer for the graininess of the film.

- When I think of Metamorphosis, I think of bad lighting, telepathic mutants, and Jonas being told that he was Special during a rather disturbing almost-sex scene with Nirrti. I don't think of Sam - in fact, to be honest, I'm hard-pressed to remember any Sam involvement at all in that ep. Probably should watch it again to refresh my memory.

- When I think of Desperate Measures, I think of Sam being the Damsel in Distress. I don't really like Sam as the Damsel in Distress - she fits much better as the genius scientist and the heroine. :) Also, I just couldn't get into the story.

- When I think of Entity, I think of the actors, once again, acting like robots (see also Message in a Bottle, Cold Lazarus, and Holiday, all of which are very low in my personal rankings)

[ETA: I just changed my mind about Entity, and moved it up in my list, ahead of Frozen. That knocks it off my list of votes (which I can do, because I'm the tally-er. So there :P :) . Seriously, it's a "Time" thing. I can edit my votes, because I know when I've edited my votes. If anybody else edited their votes for any reason other than to correct an error, there's a good chance that the change wouldn't get counted in that round, because the only posts that I double-check before tallying are the posts that I'd marked as bad. Sorry... I realize that's a bit unfair. I promise I don't take advantage of that very often...)
Anyway, I changed my mind because I realized that the ep did have good character development, and I liked that Sam was knowledgable and innovative enough to use what she could to survive. It's still pretty low in my list because of the robot acting, but at least in this ep there's a legitimate reason for it.]

I think most of these eps (with the possible exception of Entity and maybe Emancipation) would have gotten voted off early on (or would currently be getting a lot of votes) no matter what the demographics were, if the demographics were even remotely balanced. In fact, IIRC, all of these eps were also voted off early in Celsius's original "individual seasons" tournaments (now completed).

Incidentally, (in random order) In the Line of Duty, The Tok'ra Part 2, Jolinar's Memories, The Devil You Know, Exodus, Small Victories, The Serpent's Venom, Revelations, 2001, Singularity, The Gamekeeper, CotG Part 1, and Solitudes (among others) are all in my personal top 50, and they're all eps that I consider very strong Sam eps (Yes, even The Gamekeeper. I really, really liked her in that ep. It didn't showcase her, but it did develop her character a lot, and in a very good direction, and this is one of the main reasons that I ranked it so highly). In fact, at least half of these eps are in my top 50 because they're strong Sam eps. And, not counting The Gamekeeper (which is gone *sob*), most of these eps are currently getting very few votes, if any at all.

Katerine
July 29th, 2005, 06:42 PM
It's been 40 rounds, including four where two eps got eliminated, which means that 44 eps are now gone! That's two seasons' worth.

Since this is the "22 episode" milestone, here's the list of the rankings of all episodes that have been voted on thus far.

It's based on the same queries as the season rankings that I've been giving; that is, it counts ALL rounds, not just the round in which it got eliminated.

Q: Demons was eliminated in round 20, but it's listed above Spirits, Disclosure, Beast of Burden, and a bunch of other eps that got eliminated earlier. How is that possible?

A: Simply put, all those other eps happened to get the most votes in earlier rounds, but Demons got a higher percentage of the votes overall until it was eliminated. The percentage given is the average percentage of people who voted for that episode in every round up until the round it got eliminated.

It's just a different way of looking at the episode rankings. :)

(1.04) Emancipation - Round 1 - 43.137%
(7.08) Space Race - Round 2 - 38.140%
(2.10) Bane - Round 4 - 38.104%
(6.13) Sight Unseen - Round 6 - 36.324%
(6.05) Nightwalkers - Round 3 - 34.855%
(7.13) Grace - Round 5 - 33.363%
(1.21) Politics - Round 7 - 31.655%
(7.09) Avenger 2.0 - Round 11 - 28.898%
(2.04) The Gamekeeper - Round 10 - 27.108%
(2.19) One False Step - Round 13 - 26.021%
(1.16) Cor-ai - Round 8 - 25.849%
(7.15) Chimera - Round 9 - 23.769%
(3.08) Demons - Round 20 - 23.676%
(2.13) Spirits - Round 12 (Tie) - 23.440%
(6.17) Disclosure - Round 15 - 23.278%
(6.07) Shadow Play - Round 22 - 23.172%
(5.07) Beast of Burden - Round 19 - 21.632%
(5.12) Wormhole X-Treme! - Round 23 - 21.565%
(3.17) A Hundred Days - Round 21 - 21.410%
(2.05) Need - Round 14 - 21.368%
(4.05) Divide and Conquer - 21.325%
(6.08) The Other Guys - Round 17 - 20.785%
(2.03) Prisoners - Round 32 - 20.589%
(7.07) Enemy Mine - Round 16 - 20.480%
(1.05) The Broca Divide - Round 33 - 19.882%
(1.06) The First Commandment - Round 12 (Tie) - 19.722%
(4.18) The Light - Round 37 - 19.572%
(4.20) Entity - 19.322%
(2.07) Message in a Bottle - 18.738%
(7.20) Inaugeration - Round 25 (Tie) - 18.577%
(5.05) Red Sky - Round 38 - 17.930%
(6.16) Metamorphosis - 17.880%
(4.04) Crossroads - Round 29 - 17.664%
(1.09) Brief Candle - Round 18 - 16.972%
(7.19) Resurrection - Round 40 - 16.676%
(3.09) Rules of Engagement - Round 24 (Tie) - 16.667%
(3.02) Seth - Round 25 (Tie) - 16.647%
(2.14) Touchstone - Round 24 (Tie) - 16.301%
(4.19) Prodigy - Round 28 - 15.807%
(6.18) Forsaken - Round 36 (Tie) - 14.610%
(7.10) Birthright - Round 34 - 14.331%
(1.12) Bloodlines - Round 27 - 14.189%
(6.20) Momento - Round 36 (Tie) - 13.740%
(1.07) Cold Lazarus - Round 26 - 13.501%
(5.20) The Sentinel - Round 30 - 13.428%
(4.08) The First Ones - 13.338%
(2.20) Show and Tell - 12.400%
(1.14) Hathor - 11.945%
(2.08) Family - Round 35 - 11.816%
(3.19) New Ground - 11.790%
(7.14) Fallout - Round 31 - 10.885%
(5.04) The Fifth Man - 9.837%
(2.17) Holiday - 9.814%
(5.11) Desperate Measures - 9.393%
(4.11) Point of No Return - 9.331%
(3.10) Forever in a Day - 8.419%
(4.10) Beneath the Surface - 8.276%
(3.16) Urgo - 7.900%
(5.18) The Warrior - Round 39 - 7.776%
(2.22) Out of Mind - 7.642%
(7.06) Lifeboat - 7.389%
(6.04) Frozen - 7.082%
(5.13) Proving Ground - 7.008%
(7.05) Revisions - 6.752%
(6.11) Prometheus - 6.355%
(3.05) Learning Curve - 6.290%
(1.13) Fire and Water - 6.275%
(3.04) Legacy - 6.217%
(6.21) Prophecy - 6.060%
(4.07) Watergate - 5.367%
(1.08) The Nox - 5.301%
(4.17) Absolute Power - 5.290%
(5.15) Summit - 5.055%
(1.19) Tin Man - 4.964%
(5.03) Ascension - 4.835%
(1.03) The Enemy Within - 4.730%
(6.10) Cure - 4.607%
(6.19) The Changeling - 4.570%
(4.02) The Other Side - 4.449%
(2.21) 1969 - 3.937%
(5.16) Last Stand - 3.726%
(5.02) Threshold - 3.676%
(3.07) Deadman Switch - 3.306%
(5.08) The Tomb - 3.230%
(5.06) Rite of Passage - 3.085%
(6.15) Paradise Lost - 3.073%
(4.09) Scorched Earth - 3.004%
(4.16) 2010 - 2.885%
(3.06) Point of View - 2.871%
(3.14) Foothold - 2.848%
(4.13) The Curse - 2.788%
(2.16) A Matter of Time - 2.759%
(7.18) Heroes, Part 2 - 2.680%
(3.15) Pretense - 2.549%
(3.03) Fair Game - 2.403%
(7.04) Orpheus - 2.316%
(7.03) Fragile Balance - 2.311%
(6.03) Descent - 2.206%
(6.09) Allegiance - 2.083%
(6.14) Smoke and Mirrors - 1.701%
(5.21) Meridian - 1.498%
(3.11) Past and Present - 1.311%
(5.17) Fail Safe - 1.165%
(2.06) Thor's Chariot - 1.158%
(2.18) Serpent's Song - 1.134%
(3.18) Shades of Grey - 1.120%
(3.13) The Devil You Know - 1.065%
(1.10) Thor's Hammer - 1.043%
(1.11) The Torment of Tantalus - 0.945%
(4.15) Chain Reaction - 0.942%
(4.03) Upgrades - 0.868%
(7.16) Death Knell - 0.834%
(1.17) Enigma - 0.765%
(3.20) Maternal Instinct - 0.689%
(6.12) Unnatural Selection - 0.634%
(5.14) 48 Hours - 0.581%
(4.01) Small Victories - 0.547%
(7.02) Homecoming - 0.529%
(3.12) Jolinar's Memories - 0.488%
(2.09) Secrets - 0.432%
(3.21) Crystal Skull - 0.429%
(1.15) Singularity - 0.422%
(7.11) Evolution, Part 1 - 0.335%
(4.12) Tangent - 0.295%
(2.11) The Tok'Ra, Part 1 - 0.270%
(4.14) The Serpent's Venom - 0.259%
(5.10) 2001 - 0.184%
(1.01) Children of the Gods Part 1 - 0.176%
(7.17) Heroes, Part 1 - 0.139%
(3.01) Into the Fire - 0.096%
(2.15) The Fifth Race - 0.096%
(2.12) The Tok'Ra, Part 2 - 0.094%
(6.01) Redemption, Part 1 - 0.094%
(5.01) Enemies - 0.068%
(1.18) Solitudes - 0.060%
(6.06) Abyss - 0.060%
(5.09) Between Two Fires - 0.053%
(6.22) Full Circle - 0.051%
(3.22) Nemesis - 0.050%
(2.02) In the Line of Duty - 0.049%
(4.06) Window of Opportunity - 0.045%
(4.21) Double Jeopardy - 0.045%
(7.12) Evolution, Part 2 - 0.044%
(5.19) Menace - 0.043%

ETA: I just realized that the percentages in this list are different from the first list, where they shouldn't be. In case anybody else noticed and was wondering, the reason is that the first list was based on a faulty query, where, when figuring out the averages, it was counting *all* votes, not just the valid ones. So that's why :o

L-JADE
July 29th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Round 41 :

Menace
The Fifth Man
Holiday
Proving Ground
Watergate
Entity
Cure
Revisions

A little off-topic here, Katerine, is there any episode that NEVER has a vote ? if I read your list correctly, does that means episode like LOST CITY 1 & 2 NEVER has a vote against them ? (coz that would be cool to know, since LC is one of my fave episodes)

Cassie
July 29th, 2005, 06:58 PM
The Fifth Man
The Other Side
Hathor
48 Hours
Lifeboat
New Ground
Frozen
Point of No Return

Katerine
July 29th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Hi L-JADE,
Good question. :) These are the eps that have yet to get a vote in a valid post:

1.02 Children of the Gods Part 2
1.20 There But For the Grace of God
1.22 Within the Serpent's Grasp
2.01 The Serpent's Lair
4.22 Exodus
5.22 Revelations
6.02 Redemption, Part 2
7.01 Fallen
7.21 Lost City, Part 1
7.22 Lost City, Part 2

:)

LOL4JACK
July 29th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Round 41

1.- The Fifth Man
2.- Orpheus
3.- Desperate Measures
4.- New Ground
5.- Show and Tell
6.- The First Ones
7.- Foothold
8.- Threshold

Lida
July 29th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Round 41


1. New Ground
2. Watergate
3. The First Ones
4. Metamorphosis
5. Fire and Water
6. The Other Side
7. Cure
8. Hathor

Kliggins
July 29th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Round #41

Fire and Water
Forever in A Day
Legacy
Scorched Earth
Summit
Last Stand
Cure
Lifeboat


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Resurrection is gone!!!!

tsaxlady
July 29th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Round 41

The Summit
The First Ones
Last Stand
Watergate
Cure
Orpheus
Fire And Water
Absolute Power

sg-1fanintn
July 29th, 2005, 08:06 PM
Round 41

48 Hours
The First Ones
Last Stand
Watergate
Lifeboat
Orpheus
Hathor
Absolute Power

nell
July 29th, 2005, 08:09 PM
Round 41

Fifth Man
Show and Tell
New Ground
First Ones
Metamorphosis
Watergate
Learning Curve
Message in a Bottle

TheOtherDave
July 29th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Round 41:

Beneath the Surface
Absolute Power
Threshold
Maternal Instinct
Serpent's Song
Divide and Conquer
Paradise Lost
Fallout

warmbeachbrat
July 29th, 2005, 08:40 PM
Round 41:

The Nox
Hathor
Holiday
Urgo
Watergate
The Tomb
Prometheus
Nemesis

Am I the only one who kind of liked Emancipation?

Shir
July 29th, 2005, 08:50 PM
The Fifth Man
Prophecy
Watergate
The Enemy Within
Threshold
The First Ones
The Changeling
Metamorphosis

JanusAncient
July 29th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Round 41:

Revisions
Smoke and Mirrors
Proving Ground
The Tomb
Entity
Beneath the Surface
Urgo
Holiday

nyxlily
July 29th, 2005, 10:56 PM
Round 41:

1. The Fifth Man
2. Death Knell
3. Entity
4. Ascension
5. Learning Curve
6. Show and Tell
7. Divide and Conquer
8. Metamorphosis

bravesmom63
July 29th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Am I the only one who kind of liked Emancipation?
YES :)

Round 41

Divide and Conquer
Message in a Bottle
Fair Game
Pretense
Metamorphosis
The Nox
Descent
Hathor

divcon
July 29th, 2005, 11:28 PM
Round 41

Watergate
Deadman Switch
Scorched Earth
The Tomb
Summit
The Fifth Man
The First Ones
Show & Tell

lonely_star
July 30th, 2005, 12:25 AM
Round 41

Watergate
Deadman Switch
Scorched Earth
The Tomb
Summit
The Fifth Man
The First Ones
Show & Tell

TheWarrior
July 30th, 2005, 12:27 AM
The Enemy Within
Tin Man
Out of Mind
Learning Curve
Beneath the Surface
Desperate Measures
Frozen
Revisions

Frostfox
July 30th, 2005, 01:38 AM
Round 40

1. Learning Curve
2. Frozen
3. Divide and Conquer - they killed off my lovely Martuf!
4. The Fifth Man - dull, dull, dull, dull, dull, go away.
5. Entity
6. Revisions - Most boring episode ever, in my not so humble opinion.
7. Metamorphosis - I so wanted them to do something interesting with Jonas and they never did.
8. Prometheus

Tucker Case
July 30th, 2005, 01:51 AM
Round Forty-one

Desperate Measures
Divide & Conquer
Entity
Frozen
Metamorphosis
Out Of Mind
Point Of No Return
Prophecy

Easter Lily
July 30th, 2005, 03:13 AM
Round 41
The First Ones
Legacy
Hathor
Urgo
A Matter of Time
Divide and Conquer
New Ground
Entity

Caro
July 30th, 2005, 03:27 AM
Round 41

The Fifth Man
The First Ones
The Curse
Summit
Threshold
Legacy
48 hours
Show and Tell

shipper hannah
July 30th, 2005, 03:42 AM
round 41:

hathor
pretense
fire and water
scorched earth
the nox
show and tell
enemy within
ascension

SimilarCadence
July 30th, 2005, 04:39 AM
Round 41

The Other Side
The Fifth Man
Metamorphosis
New Ground
Entity
Show and Tell
Learning Curve
Revisions

sueKay
July 30th, 2005, 04:56 AM
The Fifth Man
Resurrection
New Ground
The First Ones
Show and Tell
Desperate Measures
Metamorphosis
Orpheus

Jonisa
July 30th, 2005, 05:21 AM
Round 41

Learning Curve
Desperate Measures
Proving Ground
Divide and Conquer
Metamorphosis
Frozen
Entity
Chain Reaction

Aither
July 30th, 2005, 05:44 AM
Round 41 :

Message in a Bottle
Point of No Return
Desperate Measures
New Ground
The Other Side
Entity
Fail Safe
Cure

T_S
July 30th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Round 41

Scorched Earth
Fire and Water
The Tok'Ra, Part 1
The Tok'Ra, Part 2
Urgo
Paradise Lost
Heroes, Part 1
Heroes, Part 2

Anubis69
July 30th, 2005, 06:38 AM
Tin Man
Urgo
Fire and water
Metamorphosis
Prophecy
Message in a bottle
Out of mind
the fifth man

galaxy
July 30th, 2005, 06:45 AM
Round 41

1. The First Ones
2. The Other Side
3. The Fifth Man
4. Learning Curve
5. Threshold
6. Deadman Switch
7. Watergate
8. Torment of Tantalus

:) :) :)

ComTraya
July 30th, 2005, 08:47 AM
Round 41:

Message in a Bottle
New Ground
The Fifth Man
Watergate
Hathor
Show and Tell
Desperate Measures
Forever in a day

Sue_Jackson
July 30th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Round 41:

1. The Enemy Within
2. A Matter of Time
3. Show and Tell
4. Point of View
5. Foothold
6. Deadman Switch
7. Divide and Conquer
8. The Fifth Man


*yawns*

CatGoddess
July 30th, 2005, 09:46 AM
Show and Tell
Message in a Bottle
Entity
Divide and Conquer
The Fifth Man
Metamorphosis
New Ground
Learning Curve

LoneStar1836
July 30th, 2005, 09:59 AM
Least favorite episodes: Round 41

Out of Mind Only 5 votes last round for this. It's not that good. It's a clip show posing as a season finale!
Entity
Hathor
Proving Ground
Beneath the Surface
New Ground
Point of No Return
The Fifth Man *Yeah, I'm voting strategically. So sue me. :P*

ann_sgcfan
July 30th, 2005, 11:08 AM
Watergate
Torment of Tantalus
Threshold
Deadman Switch
The First Ones
The Other Side
The Fifth Man
Learning Curve

girlgater
July 30th, 2005, 11:28 AM
Round 41:

The First Ones
The Fifth Man
Show and Tell
New Ground
Watergate
Proving Ground
Learning Curve
Prophesy

Seshat
July 30th, 2005, 11:36 AM
Round 41 (once more, same as before, and before, and...zzzzz)
Message in a Bottle
The Enemy Within
Entity
Prophecy
Divide and Conquer
Desperate Measures
Hathor
Show and Tell

Foxy: I SO agree with you about Metamorphosis :(, if one of the above ever gets voted off the island, I'm adding that to my list for the next round.

Skydiver
July 30th, 2005, 12:23 PM
The First Ones
Entity
Revisions
Forever in a Day
Fire and Water
Holiday
Legacy
Lifeboat

GatetheWay
July 30th, 2005, 12:55 PM
Metamorphosis
Forever in a Day
The Fifth Man
Divide and Conquer
Message in a Bottle
Desperate Measures
Proving Ground
Revisions

Matt G
July 30th, 2005, 01:46 PM
Ascension
Message in a Bottle
Divide and Conquer
Forever in a Day
Frozen
Revisions
Threshold
*hmmm*Prometheus

MagnoliaAnaglypta
July 30th, 2005, 02:21 PM
1 - Point of No Return
2 - Desperate Measures
3 - Chain Reaction
4 - Divide and Conquer
5 - Prometheus
6 - 2001
7 - Frozen
8 - Urgo

Angelique
July 30th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Round 41

Show and Tell
Scorched Earth
Message in a Bottle
Learning Curve
Shades of Grey
The Other Side
The Fifth Man
New Ground

.:Lemon:.
July 30th, 2005, 04:38 PM
Show And Tell
Pretense
Desperate Measures
The Enemy Within
Watergate
New Ground
Revisions
Frozen

SG1Poz
July 30th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Least Favorites

Round 41:

Holiday

Legacy

New Ground

The First Ones

Watergate

The Fifth Man

Cure

The Changeling

Capt. Voronokova
July 30th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Round 41

1. Prometheus
2. Show and Tell
3. Learning Curve
4. Frozen
5. Metamorphosis
6. Urgo
7. Prophecy
8. Watergate

Katerine, thank you again. I enjoy all the statistic info, (in case you're wondering who's bothering.) :D

And I agree with your analysis/response to dancer of spaz...well except Desperate Measures, because I can't even recall which episode that was, much less what may be wrong about it (it wasn't in MY list yet, anyway). And Metamorphosis, though I do agree, it's really the weird looking people that have kept it on my list from the beginning. Shallow I know, but there it is. I never thought of it as Sam centric, more team centric with little nuggets for each member. Sam's okay in it.

ForeverSg1
July 30th, 2005, 11:03 PM
The Fifth Man
Show and Tell
New Ground
The First Ones
Desperate Measures
Message in a Bottle
Revisions
Point of No Return

L-JADE
July 31st, 2005, 12:30 AM
Hi L-JADE,
Good question. :) These are the eps that have yet to get a vote in a valid post:

1.02 Children of the Gods Part 2
1.20 There But For the Grace of God
1.22 Within the Serpent's Grasp
2.01 The Serpent's Lair
4.22 Exodus
5.22 Revelations
6.02 Redemption, Part 2
7.01 Fallen
7.21 Lost City, Part 1
7.22 Lost City, Part 2

:)

thanks for the answer Katerine... WOW! those are really the best episodes IMHO, I would have put those at the very-very last round. I put a spoiler tag just in case the other doesn't want to know :p :D

undomesticated_equine
July 31st, 2005, 03:05 AM
Round 41:

Past and Present
New Ground
Divide and Conquer
Watergate
The Curse
Desperate Measures
Metamorphisis
Revisions

Sam_o_Neill
July 31st, 2005, 03:21 AM
Round 41:

Enigma
Show and Tell
Forever in a Day
The Fifth Man
Watergate
Meridian
The Changeling
Orpheus

Celsius
July 31st, 2005, 06:50 AM
Resurrection?? Wow that episode is perhaps the most underrated ever, except for Divide and Conquer maybe!

Message in a Bottle
Out of Mind
New Ground
Beneath the Surface
Point of No Return
Entity
Show and Tell
The First Ones

Katerine
July 31st, 2005, 07:14 AM
Round 41 is done, the votes are tallied :)

Again, welcome to all the new people! :)

As always, apologies to those who didn't get their votes counted:

TheOtherDave: Fallout is already gone. Sorry...

sueKay: Resurrection went out in the last round. Sorry...

And here are the results:
(5.04) The Fifth Man - 24
(2.20) Show and Tell - 19
(4.07) Watergate - 18
(3.19) New Ground - 17
(4.08) The First Ones - 17
(6.16) Metamorphosis - 15
(4.20) Entity - 14
(2.07) Message in a Bottle - 13
(4.05) Divide and Conquer - 13
(5.11) Desperate Measures - 13
(3.05) Learning Curve - 12
(7.05) Revisions - 11
(1.14) Hathor - 10
(6.04) Frozen - 10
(4.11) Point of No Return - 8
(1.13) Fire and Water - 7
(3.16) Urgo - 7
(4.02) The Other Side - 7
(6.21) Prophecy - 7
(1.03) The Enemy Within - 6
(2.17) Holiday - 6
(3.10) Forever in a Day - 6
(4.09) Scorched Earth - 6
(5.02) Threshold - 6
(5.13) Proving Ground - 6
(6.10) Cure - 6
(2.22) Out of Mind - 5
(3.04) Legacy - 5
(3.07) Deadman Switch - 5
(4.10) Beneath the Surface - 5
(5.15) Summit - 5
(6.11) Prometheus - 5
(5.08) The Tomb - 4
(7.04) Orpheus - 4
(7.06) Lifeboat - 4
(1.08) The Nox - 3
(3.15) Pretense - 3
(5.03) Ascension - 3
(5.14) 48 Hours - 3
(5.16) Last Stand - 3
(6.19) The Changeling - 3
(1.11) The Torment of Tantalus - 2
(1.19) Tin Man - 2
(2.16) A Matter of Time - 2
(3.14) Foothold - 2
(4.13) The Curse - 2
(4.15) Chain Reaction - 2
(4.17) Absolute Power - 2
(1.17) Enigma - 1
(2.11) The Tok'Ra, Part 1 - 1
(2.12) The Tok'Ra, Part 2 - 1
(3.03) Fair Game - 1
(3.06) Point of View - 1
(3.11) Past and Present - 1
(3.18) Shades of Grey - 1
(3.22) Nemesis - 1
(5.10) 2001 - 1
(5.17) Fail Safe - 1
(5.19) Menace - 1
(5.21) Meridian - 1
(6.03) Descent - 1
(6.14) Smoke and Mirrors - 1
(6.15) Paradise Lost - 1
(7.16) Death Knell - 1
(7.17) Heroes, Part 1 - 1
(7.18) Heroes, Part 2 - 1

The Fifth Man is gone!

And, again, in case anybody is curious, here are the season overall standings:

Number of episodes per season with 6 or more votes:
Season 1 : 3 / 14 episodes
Season 2 : 3 / 14 episodes
Season 3 : 4 / 18 episodes
Season 4 : 7 / 19 episodes
Season 5 : 4 / 17 episodes
Season 6 : 4 / 15 episodes
Season 7 : 1 / 13 episodes

Overall Season Rankings: (listed best to worst) (here is the explanation (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4316623&postcount=432) if you want to know how it works.)
5 - 6.279%
3 - 6.364%
4 - 6.995%
1 - 10.102%
6 - 10.199%
7 - 10.410%
2 - 11.104%

And here are current season rankings, just judging on the basis of eliminations (listed best to worst).
4 - 3 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 94
3 - 4 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 90
5 - 6 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 190
6 - 7 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 135
2 - 8 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 144
1 - 8 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 132
7 - 9 eliminations. Total of elimination rounds - 173

Valid Posts this Round: 47

That's it! Now, everybody vote again for the next round! (Initial post with current standings and episodes remaining (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4295728&postcount=1))

My votes and opinions:
Metamorphosis
Message in a Bottle
Beneath the Surface
Desperate Measures
Prophecy
Point of No Return
Holiday
Frozen

galaxy
July 31st, 2005, 07:42 AM
Round 42

1. The First Ones
2. The Other Side
3. Show and Tell
4. Learning Curve
5. Threshold
6. Deadman Switch
7. Watergate
8. Torment of Tantalus

:) :) :)

LOL4JACK
July 31st, 2005, 07:44 AM
Round 42

1.- Hathor
2.- Orpheus
3.- Desperate Measures
4.- New Ground
5.- Show and Tell
6.- The First Ones
7.- Foothold
8.- Threshold

Seshat
July 31st, 2005, 07:55 AM
Round 42 (maybe I could just phone these in)
Message in a Bottle
The Enemy Within
Entity
Prophecy
Divide and Conquer
Desperate Measures
Hathor
Show and Tell

.:Lemon:.
July 31st, 2005, 08:34 AM
Show And Tell
Pretense
Desperate Measures
The Enemy Within
Watergate
New Ground
Revisions
Frozen