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Col. Newman
June 9th, 2005, 12:47 PM
Sidearm- GLOCK 18 also like the Walther P99 and the good old trusty Colt .45
Submachine gun- MP5
Assault rifle- M-4
Sniper rifle- Barrett M-82A1
Machine gun- M-249 (SAW)

immhotep
June 9th, 2005, 12:54 PM
pistol - berretta
SMG- p-90
assult rifle - british stardard issue ( cant recall name)
shotgun - SPAZ 12
machine gun - gatling gun.

Osiris-RA
June 9th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I'm so bad with gun names. :p BUT I do know what I like.
Springfeilds are pretty nice.
P-90s, of course, as the official SG1 gun.
M-16 and MP-5's
Glock - 18 was it?
MI-Garand
Tommy guns are quite impressive to me. *good in the game too :p *
Oh! Cant' forget my beloved little Walther PPK airgun!

Col. Newman
June 9th, 2005, 01:08 PM
pistol - berretta
SMG- p-90
assult rifle - british stardard issue ( cant recall name)
shotgun - SPAZ 12
machine gun - gatling gun.i think the British standard issue is the L85 (SA-80) but im not sure

fair_nymph
June 9th, 2005, 01:21 PM
Does a zat count? That would be my choice...you can temporarily stun, kill, or disintegrate...so versatile!

Although I have wondered SO many times why SG teams don't kill or better yet disintegrate their opponents...they always just stun them. Seems foolish to me.

_Owen_
June 9th, 2005, 04:07 PM
P90, best gun ever made, you can use it as a submachine gun, a handgun (because it can be so easily held), a sniper rifle, because of its' firepower, and it is an overall cool gun, it would definetly rank high.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 9th, 2005, 04:42 PM
Sidearm - .357 SIG P226
SMG - H&K MP5/10
Assault Rifle - AN-94 Abakan
Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum AI AWM
Machinegun - HK21E

@Owen Really a sniper rifle? How's it at 800yds?:rolleyes:

Why the P99 is a POS (http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=42)

TechnoWraith
June 9th, 2005, 05:22 PM
My favorite gun? Anything that shoots bullets when I need it to. :p :D

Seriously, though. I'd settle for a Zat, or even better, a Wraith stunner. Actually, I'd prefer the stunner anyway, since I'm one of those types that would rather prefer to shoot something and let it remain alive (in the case of the stunner, paralyzed), rather than shoot to kill. (Yeah, I'm a hit-'n-run type). ;)

GeneralJackO'Neill
June 9th, 2005, 05:26 PM
Mp-5
P-90

Avatar28
June 9th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Pistol: Beretta 9mm or M1911
SMG: MP5 or P90, depending on what I'd want to be doing.
Assault rifle/sniper rifle/grenade launcher: OICW (yeah, baby!)
Shotgun: SPAS12
Energy weapon: Star Trek TNG style type II phaser (the bigger handheld ones they always used on away missions).

Col. Newman
June 9th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Guns you gotta love em http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb003.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb008.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb110.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb126.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb107.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb256.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb322.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb312.gif

_Owen_
June 9th, 2005, 07:34 PM
Lol, those smilies are so cool!

Owen Macri

Major Tyler
June 9th, 2005, 07:54 PM
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb003.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb008.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb110.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb126.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb107.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb256.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb322.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb312.gif http://img297.echo.cx/img297/8359/rocketman3sn.gif http://img297.echo.cx/img297/8450/sgwar13cz.gif http://img297.echo.cx/img297/5140/flamethrower8ln.gif http://img297.echo.cx/img297/7170/gatesmilie0hj.gif http://img297.echo.cx/img297/3731/shockgun9qj.gif http://img297.echo.cx/img297/9553/sniper2mi.gif http://img146.echo.cx/img146/8886/litesaber9vz.gifhttp://img146.echo.cx/img146/9166/whip9ql.gifhttp://img146.echo.cx/img146/8139/punch2pw.gif http://img146.echo.cx/img146/8260/brick7bf.gif

_Owen_
June 9th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Lol, those are so cool, where do you get them?!?

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 9th, 2005, 08:00 PM
www.websmileys.com

_Owen_
June 9th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Nice!

Owen Macri

_Owen_
June 9th, 2005, 08:10 PM
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/aliens/spacecraft.gif

Sweet.

Owen Macri

Major Tyler
June 9th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Nice!

Owen Macri


Sweet.

Owen MacriJust FYI, we know it's you who is typing the message. It's not necessary to put your name at the end of every post.

http://img172.echo.cx/img172/6470/boom3ef.gif

Stricken
June 10th, 2005, 07:50 AM
P90

Simple really

.:Lemon:.
June 10th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Zats if they count. Otherwise P90

the Fifth Race
June 10th, 2005, 08:25 AM
I own one gun and its my favorite and the best home security weapon anyone can own......

12 guage shotgun......you're not gonna miss when you fire at ab intruder that breaks into your house.

Unamed
June 10th, 2005, 08:29 AM
Irish standard Assault riffle: Styer Assult riffle.
p-90
ak-47 the most durable and adapable gun in the world
Colt, berretha(sp) and the glock range

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 12:02 PM
12 guage shotgun......you're not gonna miss when you fire at ab intruder that breaks into your house.

Lol, It would be pretty hard not to hit someone!

Owen Macri

Hywel
June 10th, 2005, 12:09 PM
http://img47.echo.cx/img47/914/combat31xc.jpg


DROOL! :p

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Lol, nice!

Owen Macri

captain_kirk999
June 10th, 2005, 01:52 PM
http://galeria.softair.hu/data/media/26/tm-p90.jpg

P90 all the way...

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 02:11 PM
NICE!!!!! THE P90 IS SO FREAKIN COOL!! lol.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 10th, 2005, 03:23 PM
No no no now this is a gun (M-82A1)
http://www.imt.net/~mele/images/barret2.jpg
also the M249
http://world.guns.ru/machine/fn_minimi_m249.jpg
also the glock 18 shoots full auto
http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/mga_machineguns/mgphotos/G18_comp.jpg

Avatar28
June 10th, 2005, 03:47 PM
It's not as clear as Captain Kirk's pic of the P90, but I'd take one of these babies any day. Too bad we'll probably never actually see them on the show. :-(
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/m29_1.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

The OICW, AKA the M-29. (www.fas.org/man/ dod-101/sys/land/oicw.htm)

knocknashee
June 10th, 2005, 04:56 PM
http://galeria.softair.hu/data/media/26/tm-p90.jpg

P90 all the way...

Seeing pics of those just makes me want one so much more...

Unless I move, I can safely say firearm ownership is out...legally anyways... :p

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 05:20 PM
I want one too! They make a pelet version of the P90, and it looks pretty real, but you can tell the diffrence if you see both together.

Did I mention that I really, really want one?!?!


Owen Macri

Panther
June 10th, 2005, 06:02 PM
http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Picture%20026.jpg
:D

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Lol! That picture is huge!

Owen Macri

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 07:15 PM
http://www.cubic-works.com/marui/images/P90.jpg

It isn't huge, but it is a picture...

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 10th, 2005, 07:28 PM
no no thats not a huge picture a Huge picture would be like 2400 by 1800 :D that little one of panther's is only 1280 by 960

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 07:34 PM
It is still pretty big, it stretches beyond the forums' template...

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 10th, 2005, 07:40 PM
Yeah i know i was just kidding, a picture 2400 by 1800 would be like 4 of my monitors, i mean my monitor can only go up to 1280 by 1024

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Lol, it is extra big for me, there is something wierd with my display settings, now everything is super huge, I have more icons on my desktop than are actually shown, because the desktop and icons extend beyond the screen. lol.

Actually with firefox it might show things the regular size, sometime I will get around to changing my settings back.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 10th, 2005, 08:36 PM
That ladies is a SOCOM M14...nothing much can give that the finger. :D

Col. Newman
June 10th, 2005, 08:43 PM
These can
http://www.imt.net/~mele/images/barret2.jpg
Standard version M249
http://world.guns.ru/machine/fn_minimi_m249.jpg :)

Panther
June 11th, 2005, 12:45 AM
Hmm, yes. I'll waste ammo shooting at a gun....

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 08:57 AM
Lol, the P90 could smoke that! lol.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 11th, 2005, 09:03 PM
7.62mm is deadly in the hands of a good shooter.

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 09:10 PM
And a nuke is deadly in the hands of a good internal computer with an incredibly powerful guidance system. lol!

Owen Macri

Panther
June 11th, 2005, 10:29 PM
We is talkin bout guns boy!

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Lol! I realised that...

I guess the bullet could have propulsion and internal guidance. lol.

Owen Macri

the Fifth Race
June 11th, 2005, 10:40 PM
Sometimes in traffic I wish I had a rocket propelled launcher. It sure makes fanatasizing about eliminating idiots off the road much easier ;) :D

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 11:08 PM
Lol, a grenade launcher would do it.

"GET OFF THE ROAD JACK... *BOOM BOOM*"

Owen Macri

Panther
June 11th, 2005, 11:22 PM
Tandem warheads too.

Col. Newman
June 11th, 2005, 11:36 PM
no no no what you need is an M1 tank :D it gives you several options
1. just run over them
2. Turn there car in to Swiss cheese with the fifty on top
3. Blow em up with the 120mm canon

The only problem is trying to choose which one :D

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 11:44 PM
Hey, why not all three!

Owen Macri

nimitz
June 12th, 2005, 01:31 PM
assault rifle=g36
shotgun=usas 12
revolver=smith and wesson(at least it think thats the companies name) 500
smg=mp7
pistol=zat or if you do not include this desert eagle 357

_Owen_
June 12th, 2005, 01:44 PM
I forgot, The Transphase Eradication Rod! That is so freakin cool!!!! It goes along with my P90.

Owen Macri

Egeria
June 12th, 2005, 02:17 PM
Favourite gun: 9mm L2A3 Sterling SMG ... When I first joined the RAF this was what all us girls were issued, lovely little gun. Load of fun when set to automatic, the thing had a mind of it's own.:)


http://img221.echo.cx/img221/6894/sterlingl2a315jy.jpg

The chaps used the 7.62mm L1A1 SLR. I got to fire this a couple of times, nearly took my shoulder off, a beast of a gun.

It was a sad day when we had to trade our 'smudges' in for the SA80, I didn't know of any of the girls who preferred it:(

_Owen_
June 12th, 2005, 05:43 PM
I don't know, I think it looks to small to me. I deffinetly prefer the P90, lol how many times have I said this? I think I like the P90 because it is a new gun, with a cool look, and it is revolutionary and overall a very good gun.

Owen Macri

Anubis345
June 12th, 2005, 09:01 PM
i usaullyu like the weapont hat hthey use against the replicators the saw 12 but i thin that iover all the p90 is the best

_Owen_
June 12th, 2005, 09:23 PM
Ya, those shotguns were and still are pretty cool! But the P90 takes the cheese. (Is that the saying?)

Owen Macri

Panther
June 13th, 2005, 02:07 AM
Favourite gun: 9mm L2A3 Sterling SMG ... When I first joined the RAF this was what all us girls were issued, lovely little gun. Load of fun when set to automatic, the thing had a mind of it's own.:)


http://img221.echo.cx/img221/6894/sterlingl2a315jy.jpg

The chaps used the 7.62mm L1A1 SLR. I got to fire this a couple of times, nearly took my shoulder off, a beast of a gun.

It was a sad day when we had to trade our 'smudges' in for the SA80, I didn't know of any of the girls who preferred it:(

You didn't find the open-bolt operation annoying?
Ah the old L1A1. Illegal now down here because we're becoming a nation of nannies.

Egeria
June 13th, 2005, 03:43 AM
You didn't find the open-bolt operation annoying?
Ah the old L1A1. Illegal now down here because we're becoming a nation of nannies.

Yeah, I admit it was annoying but I'd pick it over the SA80 any day, it was lighter, easier to clean...and just so much more fun.:D

Perriman33
June 13th, 2005, 03:54 AM
The sterlings magazine was a nightmare sticking out at right angles, and (it could have been just me) it couldnt hit a barn door at 30 feet. Fun is the word I'd use though :D

Egeria
June 13th, 2005, 04:01 AM
The sterlings magazine was a nightmare sticking out at right angles, and (it could have been just me) it couldnt hit a barn door at 30 feet. Fun is the word I'd use though :D

I loved the fact that the mag stuck out at a right angle, it rested nicely on your forearm. You're right about it's accuracy though.:D

Perriman33
June 13th, 2005, 04:15 AM
Havent they improved the SA80 over the years then? I was issued one of the first models ( the ones where the sights kept falling off ) :D . I thought they would be better by now.

Egeria
June 13th, 2005, 04:18 AM
Havent they improved the SA80 over the years then? I was issued one of the first models ( the ones where the sights kept falling off ) :D . I thought they would be better by now.

I got issued one of the first batch...it was awful:) They have made 'improvements' since then. The other half is still serving and he reckons they're still a bag of nails....then again he's a big SLR fan.:D

Perriman33
June 13th, 2005, 04:23 AM
I got issued one of the first batch...it was awful:) They have made 'improvements' since then. The other half is still serving and he reckons they're still a bag of nails....then again he's a big SLR fan.:D

I reckon i must have had a duff SLR, as mine was always jamming :( mind you at least you knew you'd fired it :D

Egeria
June 13th, 2005, 04:27 AM
I reckon i must have had a duff SLR, as mine was always jamming :( mind you at least you knew you'd fired it :D

You're not wrong there:D They scared the life out of me, I swear I left the ground the couple of times I fired one.

Perriman33
June 13th, 2005, 04:32 AM
You're not wrong there:D They scared the life out of me, I swear I left the ground the couple of times I fired one.

Ahh but did you hit anything? :D I wonder what they did with the old ones,probably gave them to the cadets? :D Its got to be an improvemant on the old WWII enfields they had. :)

Hudson
June 13th, 2005, 06:16 AM
http://www.akaarizona.com/pictures/guns/BarrettM82A1NG.jpg

_Owen_
June 13th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Ahh but did you hit anything? :D I wonder what they did with the old ones,probably gave them to the cadets? :D Its got to be an improvemant on the old WWII enfields they had. :)
They could have used them for training, however they would want to train with the technology that they will be using, so the guns were probably "retired" and not used.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 13th, 2005, 03:58 PM
The SLR is one of all time greats, though I do like the G3 better on paper.

Killjoy_Zero
June 13th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Sidearm- Five-seveN (The offical sidearm of the P90)
Submachine gun- P90 (I loved thise gun before I loved Stargate)
Assualt Rifle- FAMAS
Sniper rifle- PSG-1
Machine gun- M60

_Owen_
June 13th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Just thought that I would post pictures of the guns that you like!
http://www.cubic-works.com/marui/images/P90.jpg
http://www.mmedia.is/aevarth/buyscript/FiveseveN.jpg
http://www.weaponplace.ru/famas.jpg
http://ryvo.hp.infoseek.co.jp/metalgear/psg1.jpg
http://www.firearmsmod.com/weapons/m60.jpg

Owen Macri

Avatar28
June 13th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Hmm, forgot about another pistol I love. The Desert Eagle .50 cal hand cannon. The damn thing'll take your arm off but MAN! What a gun. Too bad they're not real reliable and have to be cleaned a lot.

Panther
June 13th, 2005, 06:37 PM
The Desert Eagle, will never be a viable combat pistol. It's just to sensitive to limpwrist jams and it weighs nearly two freaking kilos!

_Owen_
June 13th, 2005, 08:06 PM
Here is a picture of the Deagle:

http://airsoftfast.free.fr/Images/desert%20eagle%20(chrome).jpg

Owen Macri

Panther
June 14th, 2005, 12:08 AM
Here's a picture of a real man's gun.
http://images.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_Kimber1911-1.jpg

Hudson
June 14th, 2005, 02:25 AM
Not real, but so pimp it hurts :D

Large picture (http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/m870/custom/m870_2.jpg)

_Owen_
June 14th, 2005, 06:17 PM
I still like this:

http://www.defence.co.kr/html/bbs/data/smallarms1/Fnp90LARGE.jpg

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 14th, 2005, 06:24 PM
Ok my new favorite Assualt rifle is the G-11

_Owen_
June 14th, 2005, 07:01 PM
http://www.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_G11-2.jpg
http://www.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_G11-1.jpg

Lol.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 14th, 2005, 07:33 PM
Dunno about the hitting power of a 4.73mm bullet, with 1384 Joules of ME vs something like the 1798J of a 5.56 and I hear no ends to the complaints about it's stopping power.

Col. Newman
June 14th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Dunno about the hitting power of a 4.73mm bullet, with 1384 Joules of ME vs something like the 1798J of a 5.56 and I hear no ends to the complaints about it's stopping power.well yeah (atleast on delta force: Land Warrior it) that is a problem but it has a 45 round clip, and has almost no recoil at all, it has a scope too it's great as a short range sniper rifle

_Owen_
June 14th, 2005, 08:01 PM
The P90 is good as a short range sniper rifle as well, if you can control the recoil.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 15th, 2005, 05:18 PM
Since when does a G11 use clips?
Video of G11 (http://www.hkpro.com/video/g11-1-150.rm).

_Owen_
June 15th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Cool video! I still think the P90 is better, allthough the G11 does look powerful.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 15th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Since when does a G11 use clips?
Video of G11 (http://www.hkpro.com/video/g11-1-150.rm).i think the G11 has a horizonal clip like the p90 but im not sure, i can't open the video, what file type is it?

_Owen_
June 15th, 2005, 06:40 PM
The P90 clip is so cool!

Lol, all I am doing is going on about the P90, that must get anoying...

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 15th, 2005, 06:44 PM
The P90 clip is so cool!

Lol, all I am doing is going on about the P90, that must get anoying...

Owen Macriyeah a little, it's not the only gun in the world you know there are other really cool guns too like the Walther P99 (that gun just looks so cool)

_Owen_
June 15th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Lol, I will stop. The P90 is the best gun ever made. Ok I'm done now. Ok, other guns, other guns, well there is the P90, oh, nevermind, and then there is always the P90, oh, sorry, forgot. But I think next coolest gun to the P90, would definetly have to be the P90! Lol.


Owen Macri

Panther
June 15th, 2005, 07:30 PM
i think the G11 has a horizonal clip like the p90 but im not sure, i can't open the video, what file type is it?

Really? And where does something like this go on a G11?
http://www.oryansroughnecks.org/weapons/303clip.gif

_Owen_
June 15th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Look at this gun. The bigger the merrier, or something like that, lol.

https://www.eoi.com/sites/folder16757/site_images_system/user/The_Big_Gun.jpg

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 15th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Really? And where does something like this go on a G11?
http://www.oryansroughnecks.org/weapons/303clip.gif
http://www.hkpro.com/image/g11k2.jpgWhat does that look like?
Swiss cheese on rye

and don't be a smart ass unless you know what you are talking about

Col. Newman
June 15th, 2005, 07:59 PM
Also if you had watched the video then you would know exactly where the clip is

Col. Newman
June 15th, 2005, 08:07 PM
it also helps to read

The G11K2 with stripper clip and magazine of 4.73mm x 33 DM11 caseless cartridges. The K2 allowed two additional magazines to be placed on top of the gun, with the center magazine actually feeding the mechanism. The others were spares.

_Owen_
June 16th, 2005, 02:28 PM
lol, who won?

Owen Macri

Panther
June 16th, 2005, 07:34 PM
Excuse me dumbass but I believe you said it uses a "45 round clip". No it uses a "45 round magazine, those clips are used to load the magazine. Clips and magazines are two entirely different things. If your too lazy to type out the word then it's "mag" (kinda sounds cool eh? Magnum eh? eh? :rolleyes: )

Col. Newman
June 16th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Excuse me dumbass but I believe you said it uses a "45 round clip". No it uses a "45 round magazine, those clips are used to load the magazine. Clips and magazines are two entirely different things. If your too lazy to type out the word then it's "mag" (kinda sounds cool eh? Magnum eh? eh? :rolleyes: )
so that is why i have heard the words clip and magazine used interchangeably my entire life, that sounds totally reasonable that thousands of people were dead wrong

6thMonolith
June 16th, 2005, 08:08 PM
It's a pretty common misconception.

_Owen_
June 16th, 2005, 08:12 PM
Ok, this is getting a little hostile, you know, with the personal attacks and all. Why don't we take a second and calm down, just so that we don't accidentally get this thread deleted.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 16th, 2005, 08:14 PM
It's a pretty common misconception.

it is? well why couldn't he just say so in the first place

_Owen_
June 16th, 2005, 08:27 PM
No offence Panther but I don't think there was any need for name-calling.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 17th, 2005, 02:15 AM
it is? well why couldn't he just say so in the first place
Well because it's pretty damn obvious. Now what does a clip do? Hmm, a paperclip holds pieces of paper together. You "clip" the papers together. So then how does a box clip anything? Therefore it's not a clip, it's a mag. On the other hand, when bullets are "clipped" together, either by engaging a protrusion on the rim or on the case walls, it is then a clip.


and don't be a smart ass unless you know what you are talking about

I believe the name calling opening volley was initiated here. I wash my hands clean of my response. :p

_Owen_
June 17th, 2005, 01:51 PM
Ok, how about we all take a deep breath so we don't accidentally get this thread deleted.

Owen Macri

Jprime
June 22nd, 2005, 09:08 PM
I like the BoomStick! It's a twelve gauge double barreled Remington, S-Mart's top-of-the-line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel and a hair trigger. Shop smart, shop S-MART!

_Owen_
June 22nd, 2005, 09:11 PM
You guys have so many guns down there! You can buy them in Wal Mart, or K Mart whatever you use. We have a billion rules and we aren't even close to having them sold in stores. When I am in the U.S. I always look at the guns.

Owen Macri

Jprime
June 22nd, 2005, 09:15 PM
Hey I'm Canadian, I'm not totally convinced that our gun laws are really such a terribly bad thing.

Col. Newman
June 23rd, 2005, 07:31 AM
OT: Hey the Canadian Goverment (atleast the national one) is a bunch of liberal nutt jobs that wouldn't know right from wrong, if wrong came up and hit them is the face with a base ball bat (just thought i would point that out since we were talken about canadian laws) but anyhow back to topic

_Owen_
June 23rd, 2005, 12:04 PM
Lol, I shouldn't agree, but I do. We not only have a party in power that I do not support, but we also have a minority government, so we can't accomplish anything! We've had two votes of confidence and we still can't get something done.

And then we have Belinda Stronick, the traitor, she cost us a consevative government by party hoping. She switched before the first vote, and then the vote was a tie, and the speaker had to vote to decide, and the speaker is really supposed to say that the presiding government will remain in power if that happens. If Stonick didn't switch we would probably have a consevative government now.

Owen Macri

Panther
June 23rd, 2005, 06:59 PM
Let's not get into a gun control debate. Logic and reason fly out the window when those start, and I have been in too many.

_Owen_
June 23rd, 2005, 07:45 PM
Ok, back to the P90!

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
June 23rd, 2005, 07:56 PM
Ok, back to the P90!

Owen Macrinooooo *bangs head against desk, Bang bang bang* ;)

_Owen_
June 23rd, 2005, 08:15 PM
lol, fine, how about another gun? Ummm, the P90!

lol

Owen Macri

Panther
June 23rd, 2005, 08:47 PM
How bout the new AA-12.

_Owen_
June 23rd, 2005, 08:56 PM
I haven't heard a lot about it, just that it is very powerful shotgun. Personally from pictures, it looks like the handling would not be great. It is commonly advertised as good to kill terrorists with, so I imagine, it has to be at least partly good.

Owen Macri

Cpt Larraq
June 23rd, 2005, 10:08 PM
The primary weapon that SG-1 should be using is the Heckler and Koch G-36, a German Assault Rifle.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/hk_g36.jpg

It has far more stopping power than the P-90 and can get the job done. I suspect that the P-90 was chosen due to its unique appearance, which is a prime example of the old style over substance fallacy.

Panther
June 23rd, 2005, 11:59 PM
Really? A G-36? Why not SCAR or M16?

Cpt Larraq
June 24th, 2005, 03:38 AM
Really? A G-36? Why not a SCAR or an M16?

It was the first alternative that came to mind.
It's a sophisticated weapon worthy of being used by SG-1. Why?

BruTak
June 24th, 2005, 06:31 AM
Oh decisions, decisions... :D

Side-arm: Beretta 93R.
Assault rifle: P90.
SAW: M249.
Shotgun: SPAS-12.
Sniper: PSG-1.

But if it's fictional stuff we're talking about - well then...

Side-arm: Judge Dredd's Lawgiver, or RoboCop's Auto-9.
Assault rife: Colonial Marnies Pulse Rifle, or Mobile Infanty Morita.

briguy213
June 24th, 2005, 07:21 AM
Im For The Zat Guns All The Way!!!

_Owen_
June 24th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Transphase Eradication Rod. Or the Point of View Gun. Those two are awsome!

Owen Macri

Panther
June 24th, 2005, 08:07 PM
It was the first alternative that came to mind.
It's a sophisticated weapon worthy of being used by SG-1. Why?
Just making sure you weren't saying it because "it looked cool".

Col. Newman
June 24th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Just making sure you weren't saying it because "it looked cool".hey whats wrong with liking a gun because it looks cool?

_Owen_
June 24th, 2005, 09:53 PM
I have to agree with Col. Newman, I don't think there is anything wrong with liking a gun because it looks cool.

Would you by an expensive car, that was probably the best car you have ever seen, but it looked like... etc.

However there are some guns that lool cool and work very well.

*COUGH*P90*COUGH

Owen Macri

Panther
June 24th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Because weapons are tools. You like them because they do their job either adequately or well or spectacularly. I like plenty of guns that are fugly but work.

Col. Newman
June 25th, 2005, 10:45 AM
hey the last Hammer i bought i bought because it looked cool (and i need a new one)and i works great :D

_Owen_
June 25th, 2005, 12:50 PM
I like hammers, they can smash things!

Owen Macri

Panther
June 26th, 2005, 01:32 AM
Looks are bonus, not a requirement.

_Owen_
June 26th, 2005, 07:30 AM
Ok, I can agree with that, however, you could still like a gun because of the way it looks, even if that may not be a good idea, were you ever needed to use that gun and then find out that it looks cool but shoots potatos.

Owen Macri

BruTak
June 27th, 2005, 04:34 AM
Ok, I can agree with that, however, you could still like a gun because of the way it looks, even if that may not be a good idea, were you ever needed to use that gun and then find out that it looks cool but shoots potatos.

Owen Macri
Oddly enough, a Spud-gun featured heavily in a Judge Dredd strip from a few years ago. "Emerald Isle" was written by Garth Ennis and basically took the rip out of the IRA.

The guns could fire several different kinds of potato related ammunition. For example - Roasties: A large roast potato used as a kinetic energy weapon. Chips: A hail of high velocity French-fired shrapnel. And not forgetting - Smash: Drown your victim in a deluge of gooey mashed potatos.

Matt G
June 27th, 2005, 10:15 AM
:eek: :rolleyes: :D

_Owen_
June 27th, 2005, 09:42 PM
Lol, I want some of those guns!

Owen Macri

BruTak
June 28th, 2005, 05:47 AM
Lol, I want some of those guns!

Owen Macri
Only an Irishman who's lived and breathed "The Troubles" for the past thirty odd years could take the mickey out of terrorism so effectivley.

The bit in the story that had me almost in tears of laughter was when Dredd and a Medi-Judge were exmining the corpse of Mega City One's ambassador to the Emerald Isle (in the 22nd century, Ireland is one big theme park).
Dredd: "Cause of death?"
Medi-Judge: (removes sheet from body) "Roast potato lodged in the forehead..." :D

sg-1fanintn
June 28th, 2005, 06:12 AM
Nothing matches the simple elegance and convenience of the P90 for getting the job done. But I also love the zat! One shot, you're stunned. Two shots, you're dead......

BruTak
June 28th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Nothing matches the simple elegance and convenience of the P90 for getting the job done. But I also love the zat! One shot, you're stunned. Two shots, you're dead......
Gimme a good old fashioned projectile weapon any day of the week.

And none of this namby-pamby "shoot the bad guy in the chest" nonsense either - Nothing says you're dead like a bullet in the head.

_Owen_
June 28th, 2005, 06:46 AM
YAY The P90!!!!!

Lol, the reason that they don't always go for head shots is because it is more logical to aim for the torso. The torso is the largest part of the body, you would have a better chance of hitting the person.

Also, they like the chest shots better in SG-1 because it would be more expensive to have everyone get shot in the head, and the sparks of the jaffa chest plates are cool.

Lol, "nothing says your dead like a bullet in the head," that's good.

Owen Macri

BruTak
June 28th, 2005, 07:03 AM
Cheers Owen, it's one of a set of 30-odd "Rules" that my fan-fic character, Capt. Jack Hunter of the 75th Ranger Regiment, is fond of quoting.

Other pearls of wisdom include: "Never insult a cook in their own kitchen, they know where all the sharp objects are.", "If a womans says Does my bum look big in this? The answer is always no." and "Hunger is a great leveller. Any half-wit can raise an army, but unless he's done his homework properly he starts running into trouble around lunchtime." :D

Atteria
June 28th, 2005, 07:08 AM
I have it on the best authority....the P90!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/Atteria/P90.jpg

;) ;) ;) :D

BruTak
June 28th, 2005, 07:11 AM
I have it on the best authority....the P90!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/Atteria/P90.jpg

;) ;) ;) :D
Bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah!!!! Love it! "Say hello to my leetle friend..." :D

Perriman33
June 29th, 2005, 05:44 AM
I have it on the best authority....the P90!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/Atteria/P90.jpg

;) ;) ;) :D

So thats who shot JFK! :D :D

Atteria
June 29th, 2005, 08:32 AM
So thats who shot JFK! :D :D

Aw, you guessed. I was hoping I could keep the gunman's identity a secret. He was using a prototype P90, of course. :rolleyes:

Unamed
June 29th, 2005, 09:52 AM
Only an Irishman who's lived and breathed "The Troubles" for the past thirty odd years could take the mickey out of terrorism so effectivley.

The bit in the story that had me almost in tears of laughter was when Dredd and a Medi-Judge were exmining the corpse of Mega City One's ambassador to the Emerald Isle (in the 22nd century, Ireland is one big theme park).
Dredd: "Cause of death?"
Medi-Judge: (removes sheet from body) "Roast potato lodged in the forehead..." :D

lol!!! :D Thats hillarious!
On a serious note I would just like to clear this up for any of my international friends who might stereotype us Irish, I hate the IRA and I think they are total scum who use the "situation" In the north(Ireland) to inflict pain and suffering on innocent people. Any sensible person in Ireland will agree, but you always get a few who think they know it all.
Anyway i just thought id clear that up, we Irish has no support for the IRA.
Ok Im finished ranting now. :)

Unamed
June 29th, 2005, 10:15 AM
I want one too! They make a pelet version of the P90, and it looks pretty real, but you can tell the diffrence if you see both together.

Did I mention that I really, really want one?!?!


Owen Macri
Please tell me where i can get the pellet version of the p90....

Egeria
June 29th, 2005, 11:00 AM
Oddly enough, a Spud-gun featured heavily in a Judge Dredd strip from a few years ago. "Emerald Isle" was written by Garth Ennis and basically took the rip out of the IRA.

The guns could fire several different kinds of potato related ammunition. For example - Roasties: A large roast potato used as a kinetic energy weapon. Chips: A hail of high velocity French-fired shrapnel. And not forgetting - Smash: Drown your victim in a deluge of gooey mashed potatos.

OMG Brutak...I remember that, it was brilliant. You are constantly taking me on a trip down memory lane....:D

Unamed
June 29th, 2005, 04:47 PM
Check it out!!
http://www.jdwholesale.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1931&MMP=1

Ashur
June 29th, 2005, 05:47 PM
Big honkin space guns! ;)

BruTak
June 30th, 2005, 06:30 AM
Check it out!!
http://www.jdwholesale.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1931&MMP=1
No! You do not want this cheap version of the airsoft P90! It's cheap, nasty and tacky...

What you want is the pukka one from Toyko Marui - like the one I've got.
Try www.wolfarmouries.co.uk they currently have them in stock for the pricely sum of £184.99, which converts to roughly $331 at current exchange rates. :)

Unamed
June 30th, 2005, 06:42 AM
No! You do not want this cheap version of the airsoft P90! It's cheap, nasty and tacky...

What you want is the pukka one from Toyko Marui - like the one I've got.
Try www.wolfarmouries.co.uk they currently have them in stock for the pricely sum of £184.99, which converts to roughly $331 at current exchange rates. :)

Thanks, i was wondering why some sites had them really dear and others not.
Very pricy though.

How about this one?
http://www.astrosales.co.uk/xcart/product.php?productid=16159&cat=0&page=1

BruTak
June 30th, 2005, 06:57 AM
Thanks, i was wondering why some sites had them really dear and others not.
Very pricy though.

How about this one?
http://www.astrosales.co.uk/xcart/product.php?productid=16159&cat=0&page=1
That's not bad looking at all, nice price too. If you're on a tight budget, I'd say go for it.

All we need now is the pukka tactical chest harness like they wear on SG-1... :D

Unamed
June 30th, 2005, 07:05 AM
That's not bad looking at all, nice price too. If you're on a tight budget, I'd say go for it.

All we need now is the pukka tactical chest harness like they wear on SG-1... :D
You read my mind! I was just checking that out, all I could find is the Us style sling one. Thanks for the help, If I go for it I'll post pics when I get it.

BruTak
June 30th, 2005, 07:26 AM
You read my mind! I was just checking that out, all I could find is the Us style sling one. Thanks for the help, If I go for it I'll post pics when I get it.
The harness I've got is basically a pair of old laptop bag straps, a couple of D-rings, and some cable ties.

The harness used on the show appears to be a custom job, made by the props department. There was a guy in the States who was making them, but each one was hand made and cost a three figure sum.
However, all is not lost - the closest thing I can find to the SG-1 chest harness at a reasonable price, is called the Chalker Tactical Sling. Available from USMC Ltd. www.usmcpro.com

Chachi
June 30th, 2005, 08:09 AM
I think the core of the question on wether or not the P90 should be effective against Jaffa is to look at their armor. the P90's bullet is designed to defeat KEVLAR at up to 200 yards. Kevlar is very different from plate armor (which I believe the Jaffa have). Plate armor requires a very heavy, very fast projectile to defeat it, whereas kevlar requires a slippery (read teflon coated), small projectile, due to how kevlar catches a bullet and dissipates its energy into the weave. These are facts, and judging by these facts, the P90 should be a piece of trash against Jaffa armor. This is a relatively moot point of arguement, however, because TPTB have allowed the Jaffa to get ripped apart by the small CQB bullet of the P90.

I think they need to implement more .50 cal sniper rifles, like the M82, so they can show the Jaffa (or Kull warriors, or Wraith) who's boss at 2500 yards. I don't care what you're wearing (besides a personal energy sheild), you're going down if you get hit with a .50. Screw that Wraith regeneration, too. I'd like to see them try and fix a hole in their cheast the size of a dinner plate.

My vote on pistols are anything with the .45 GAP cartridge. You can feel good when you can get a bunch of .45 cal stopping power in a magazine well designed for a 9mm (so you can get 12 .45 shots instead of 8).

For rifles, my vote goes to the G-3, or maybe the AR-10. I would want the protection and security that the 7.62x54 provides. Hiding behind metal won't save you for long with a .30 cal shooting at you.

-Chachi


EDIT: the G-3 and AR-10 fire the 7.62x51, not 7.62x54. The 7.62x54 is a Russian cartridge that dates back to 1891 with the advent of the m1891 Mosin-Nagant bolt action rifle.

Unamed
June 30th, 2005, 08:32 AM
Screw that Wraith regeneration, too. I'd like to see them try and fix a hole in their cheast the size of a dinner plate.


Lol!! Thats feckin Hillarious, best laugh all day!

Panther
June 30th, 2005, 07:47 PM
The harness I've got is basically a pair of old laptop bag straps, a couple of D-rings, and some cable ties.

The harness used on the show appears to be a custom job, made by the props department. There was a guy in the States who was making them, but each one was hand made and cost a three figure sum.
However, all is not lost - the closest thing I can find to the SG-1 chest harness at a reasonable price, is called the Chalker Tactical Sling. Available from USMC Ltd. www.usmcpro.com

Nein! The Chalker is different. This is the P90 Sling (http://www.stargate6.com/sling.htm)


I think the core of the question on wether or not the P90 should be effective against Jaffa is to look at their armor. the P90's bullet is designed to defeat KEVLAR at up to 200 yards. Kevlar is very different from plate armor (which I believe the Jaffa have). Plate armor requires a very heavy, very fast projectile to defeat it, whereas kevlar requires a slippery (read teflon coated), small projectile, due to how kevlar catches a bullet and dissipates its energy into the weave. These are facts, and judging by these facts, the P90 should be a piece of trash against Jaffa armor. This is a relatively moot point of arguement, however, because TPTB have allowed the Jaffa to get ripped apart by the small CQB bullet of the P90.

NO! NO! NO! Kevlar works by dissipating the energy accross a wide area. It works in principle like pillow. When this occurs the concentrated energy is spead over a larger area meaning there is not enough energy concentrated to penerate. Now the only way to increase penetration is to increase energy to to focus it and keep there. Enter tungsten cored bullets. Coating a bullet with Teflon, WILL NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT increase it's AP performance. The myth arose out of the truncated cone shaped tungsten KTW bullet that was coated with it. During testing they found the hard tungsten and the high velocity wore out barrels faster than standard cupro-nickel jacketed bullets so the answer was to decrease friction using Dupont's handy little chemical.

Secondly, Jaffa armour appears to be (unless otherwise stated by the show) standard forged steel plate, and far from the 1/4" thick ballistic steel plate in LIII armour. I'm guessing it will be alright out to 200m, as it's virtually flat trajectory out to that range implies a good velocity still exists.

Unamed
July 1st, 2005, 01:02 AM
Nein! The Chalker is different. This is the P90 Sling (http://www.stargate6.com/sling.htm)



NO! NO! NO! Kevlar works by dissipating the energy accross a wide area. It works in principle like pillow. When this occurs the concentrated energy is spead over a larger area meaning there is not enough energy concentrated to penerate. Now the only way to increase penetration is to increase energy to to focus it and keep there. Enter tungsten cored bullets. Coating a bullet with Teflon, WILL NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT increase it's AP performance. The myth arose out of the truncated cone shaped tungsten KTW bullet that was coated with it. During testing they found the hard tungsten and the high velocity wore out barrels faster than standard cupro-nickel jacketed bullets so the answer was to decrease friction using Dupont's handy little chemical.

Secondly, Jaffa armour appears to be (unless otherwise stated by the show) standard forged steel plate, and far from the 1/4" thick ballistic steel plate in LIII armour. I'm guessing it will be alright out to 200m, as it's virtually flat trajectory out to that range implies a good velocity still exists.

Can this site that you gave be trusted??

Panther
July 1st, 2005, 01:22 AM
I don't see why it can't.

Chachi
July 1st, 2005, 03:58 AM
Nein! The Chalker is different. This is the P90 Sling (http://www.stargate6.com/sling.htm)



NO! NO! NO! Kevlar works by dissipating the energy accross a wide area. It works in principle like pillow. When this occurs the concentrated energy is spead over a larger area meaning there is not enough energy concentrated to penerate. Now the only way to increase penetration is to increase energy to to focus it and keep there. Enter tungsten cored bullets. Coating a bullet with Teflon, WILL NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT increase it's AP performance. The myth arose out of the truncated cone shaped tungsten KTW bullet that was coated with it. During testing they found the hard tungsten and the high velocity wore out barrels faster than standard cupro-nickel jacketed bullets so the answer was to decrease friction using Dupont's handy little chemical.

Secondly, Jaffa armour appears to be (unless otherwise stated by the show) standard forged steel plate, and far from the 1/4" thick ballistic steel plate in LIII armour. I'm guessing it will be alright out to 200m, as it's virtually flat trajectory out to that range implies a good velocity still exists.


I'll cede that you might be right about the kevlar-defeating ammunition, but you are wrong about the principle of Kevlar. The weave of kevlar actually grabs onto the spinning bullet, and as the consecutive layers of kevlar twist, it dissipates the energy over the whole area of the armor. There's no "pillow action." Hell, if there were, you better believe that the Bank of America robbers back in the mid nineties would have stolen a bunch of hotel pillows first and strapped them on before walking into that bank.

Also, I still don't think that the P90's ammunition would have enough energy to punch through even 1/4 inch plate. I'm supposed to get an AR-15 in a few weeks, so I'll test that .223 ammo (yes, I know it's different, but it should actually have more energy behind the bullet) on the 3/8 inch plate targets (a little more hefty, but we'll see what happens).

-Chachi

Panther
July 1st, 2005, 04:28 AM
Bah. WTF was I saying. I should learn to get some freaking proper-o sleep. You right completely how Kevlar works, it's just you description of how one penerates the armour is erroneous.

No the P90 won't penerate 1/4" steel plate because that's Theat Level III while the P90 can penerate Threat Level IIIA kevlar. Steel plate used on most plate armour have thickness of about 0.5 - 1.5mm. That's nothing to stop a bullet and Jaffa armour save for the upper shoulder plates look about the same. The upper part could probably be of composite construction since metal that thick is just too heavy to be practicable.

Chris O'Farrell
July 1st, 2005, 05:17 AM
http://www.stargate-tech.net/other/aug.jpg

The AUG A3

Soon to go head to head against the XM8 for the next generation standard issue rifle for the US armed forces. It comes from the battle proven AUG line with the few problems of the AUG series ironed out.

Its Bullpup. The XM8 with stock fully extended is 838mm. The Aug with the 18" barrel is 455mm. The XM8 fully retracted its STILL longer then the AUG. And it has a REAL 18" barrel for accurate fire on the battlefield. And I wonder if they could make the stock folding or telescoping...it looks like you have the room to play with, which would just make this weapon perfect.

Sling attachments built in, comes with iron sights, STANAG capable, complete standardised rail interface system (which isn't anything like as prone to failure as the M4/M16 one), translucent magazines (note to everyone, never say the C word around Panther...its just not cool!). And look how evil it looks with the M203 grenade launcher...


http://www.stargate-tech.net/other/m203.jpg

Jaffa = pwned.

Unamed
July 1st, 2005, 07:17 AM
http://www.stargate-tech.net/other/aug.jpg

The AUG A3

Soon to go head to head against the XM8 for the next generation standard issue rifle for the US armed forces. It comes from the battle proven AUG line with the few problems of the AUG series ironed out.

Its Bullpup. The XM8 with stock fully extended is 838mm. The Aug with the 18" barrel is 455mm. The XM8 fully retracted its STILL longer then the AUG. And it has a REAL 18" barrel for accurate fire on the battlefield. And I wonder if they could make the stock folding or telescoping...it looks like you have the room to play with, which would just make this weapon perfect.

Sling attachments built in, comes with iron sights, STANAG capable, complete standardised rail interface system (which isn't anything like as prone to failure as the M4/M16 one), translucent magazines (note to everyone, never say the C word around Panther...its just not cool!). And look how evil it looks with the M203 grenade launcher...


http://www.stargate-tech.net/other/m203.jpg

Jaffa = pwned.

Believe it or not thats a variation on the Irish Current standard issue.

Panther
July 1st, 2005, 08:19 PM
Still one big problem with bullpups. You can't switch shoulders to fire the gun. The FN F2000 is still the best bullpup out there.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/fnherstal/F2000.jpg

briguy213
July 1st, 2005, 10:00 PM
If I could have one of the stargate guns in real life, I would have to pick an intar. Then I could shoot people without going to jail.

Chris O'Farrell
July 1st, 2005, 10:22 PM
Believe it or not thats a variation on the Irish Current standard issue.

The Styre AUG is a standard issue weapon all around the world. Austria, Australia, Irland, many places have taken the weapon. The AUG-3 is a prototype varient on that design.

Chris O'Farrell
July 1st, 2005, 10:25 PM
Still one big problem with bullpups. You can't switch shoulders to fire the gun. The FN F2000 is still the best bullpup out there.


Pft, minor problem compared to the problems it sovles. And I'd take the AUG-3 over the 2000 anyway frankly, it just has the technology down pat.
Of course I'm right handed so I may be biased :p

Besides. There are ways to shoot around corners....

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_002409.shtml

Panther
July 2nd, 2005, 02:01 AM
Yes I've seen the OAVD. But:
a) how do you expect to be accurate with the rifle in this position?
http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/OAVD%20021.jpg

b) What if you have to shoot from a corner which curves right?

i.e. and your are # and a right hander?
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and lastly it is far from a minor problem. Why do you see a lavishly funded unit like 1st SFOD-D still using the M4, or hell why the new SOFCAR, the FN SCAR?

Unamed
July 2nd, 2005, 05:25 AM
Just some Irish Defense Force pic's:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/metllica/reserve_forces.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/metllica/army3.jpg

Col. Newman
July 2nd, 2005, 09:55 AM
I think they need to implement more .50 cal sniper rifles, like the M82, so they can show the Jaffa (or Kull warriors, or Wraith) who's boss at 2500 yards. I don't care what you're wearing (besides a personal energy sheild), you're going down if you get hit with a .50. Screw that Wraith regeneration, too. I'd like to see them try and fix a hole in their cheast the size of a dinner plate.
Exactly except i would shoot em in the head, it guaranties they are dead because there head would most likely explode, that would be so cool to see a Wraith's head explode

Uber
July 2nd, 2005, 10:09 PM
You all seem to be experts and know what you're talking about with regard to guns...so could someone here PLEASE explain the Carter Special to me?

It LOOKS cool...but seems odd having both a scope and such a small barrel...I've heard various commentaries try to explain that it's a combination of 3 guns...but don't know which ones. Can you guys assist me here? I'd love to get more of an expert opinion on this...someone who really knows guns and can break it down for me.

My answer for best gun...P90...way cool weapon there. Super single shot mode and is an extremely powerful weapon with superior accuracy and range...at least from my limited knowledge of weaponry...

:D

Panther
July 2nd, 2005, 11:03 PM
Well the gun appears to be either a DPMS Panther Kitty Kat or some other 7-7.5" barrelled AR-15 rifle or parts kit, perhaps even an AR-15 "pistol" kit. The stock is probably a simple thumbhole stock. The scope is a 3.4x Elcan Scope. Also they've removed the handgrip and instead stuck on a rail frame, and attached a vertical foregrip too.

Really there's a bit too much glass on the weapon. It really should be a red-dot sight of some sort, but the zoom maybe usefull out to 50m, probably the farthest this weapon can shoot effectively.

The reason they gave her the gun was that they were short on blanks for the P90 due to combat ops in Iraq so they needed to use el cheapio .223 blanks so they made up that rifle to look like a P90.

Chachi
July 2nd, 2005, 11:47 PM
You all seem to be experts and know what you're talking about with regard to guns...so could someone here PLEASE explain the Carter Special to me?

It LOOKS cool...but seems odd having both a scope and such a small barrel...I've heard various commentaries try to explain that it's a combination of 3 guns...but don't know which ones. Can you guys assist me here? I'd love to get more of an expert opinion on this...someone who really knows guns and can break it down for me.

My answer for best gun...P90...way cool weapon there. Super single shot mode and is an extremely powerful weapon with superior accuracy and range...at least from my limited knowledge of weaponry...

:D

I vaguely remember that gun in the show, do you have a picture to refresh my memory?

thanks

-Chachi

Panther
July 2nd, 2005, 11:51 PM
http://www.airsoftcommunity.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10263/normal_carter%20special%20custom%203.jpg

Chachi
July 3rd, 2005, 05:51 PM
Panther, Nice looking rig. I completely agree with your assessment on that weapon.

What are your thoughts on the 6.8x43 SPC? I think that would be the perfect addition to SG teams. Lots of stopping power there, in a relatively small case.

-Chachi

Panther
July 3rd, 2005, 09:37 PM
I doubt any fan would notice the difference on the show. Plus they can't get blanks for it yet, because the case dimensions are slighly different and unique. Taking the M4 as an example, it's not a matter of swapping out barrels but you need a whole new upper reciever like Barrett's M468.

Chachi
July 3rd, 2005, 10:19 PM
True that most fans probably wouldn't notice. But I'm sure that most fans don't notice what the ancient text says on the console of the puddle jumpers.

I guess I'd be content if they simply talked about using a new cartridge, even if they used only slightly modified M-4s, and their corresponding .223 blanks in the actual filming.

Ben Browder "man, these 6.8s hit like a mac trucks..."
Teal'c "I am confused, are we shooting bullets, or trucks?..."

-Chachi

_Owen_
July 3rd, 2005, 11:10 PM
Exactly except i would shoot em in the head, it guaranties they are dead because there head would most likely explode, that would be so cool to see a Wraith's head explode
Snipers don't aim for headshots because it is to dangerous, most of the time, they will only get one shot, if the person moves or the wind shifts the target may not be hit. So instead snipers will aim for the largest part of the body, the torso, this gives you a greater chance of hitting the person, with a 50 caliber rifle, it really doesn't matter where they get hit.

Owen Maccri

Panther
July 4th, 2005, 12:53 AM
It really depends on the range Owen. At long ranges they do tend to go for the torso, but at shot to medium they go for the head. In Iraq US Army and Marine snipers are taking headshots, and back in WWII German snipers aimed for the head the Bocage area battles.

_Owen_
July 4th, 2005, 12:58 PM
I guess, if you think you can safley make a headshot, and you are not incredibly far away from the target, a headshot, may be safe, but I think it would still be safe to play it safe, with a nice shot to the torso, with the proper weaponary, sacrificing a headshot might not also sacrifice a kill.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 4th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I guess, if you think you can safley make a headshot, and you are not incredibly far away from the target, a headshot, may be safe, but I think it would still be safe to play it safe, with a nice shot to the torso, with the proper weaponary, sacrificing a headshot might not also sacrifice a kill.

Owen Macriyeah but exploding heads are just so much cooler :D

_Owen_
July 4th, 2005, 01:14 PM
Lol, I can't argue that one!

Owen Macri

Unamed
July 4th, 2005, 02:58 PM
I never want to cross yo guys if you have your hands near a gun!!

_Owen_
July 4th, 2005, 03:13 PM
lol, I want to go to a firing range, but in Canada you have to be 18 and have a gun liscence. :(

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 4th, 2005, 04:12 PM
lol, I want to go to a firing range, but in Canada you have to be 18 and have a gun liscence. :(

Owen MacriThat’s why Canada is gay man move down here; you can just walk in to wal-mart and buy a shotgun for $200 it great, well as long as your over 18, no license required

hey it's the forth and i have a great idea see in neighborhood we have a big rabit problem you see there are hundreds and hundred and hundreds of them, so i think i will gop hunting with these big fire cracker i bought they aren’t m-80's but there bigger than a black cat, the rabbits have been running around all day scared ****less from the fireworks it is so funny. Anyway i was sitting in a chair in my driveway when i saw something in the corner of my eye i turn around and right behind me not 5 feet is this hug rabbit, i mean the thing must have weight 20 or 30 pounds so i light a Flower and throw it at it, but it is too quick, dog gone it i wish i had a gun, i would just be sittin in my chair bang..... bang..... bang bang..... bang.... bang.....bang bang... bang.... bang bang.... bang bang bang... bang 10 down only 500 to go

_Owen_
July 4th, 2005, 05:06 PM
I thought you still needed a license down there. How are you for sub machine guns? What I really want is a P90. lol.

Have fun with the rabitts.

Owen Macri

Chachi
July 4th, 2005, 08:12 PM
the only problem with submachine guns (and high rate of fire/heavy duty weapons in general) is that you do need a class three permit for them. Basically, there's a year long background check that the FBI would conduct on you, and a few hundred dollars for the permit. Once all that stuff is done, then you can own the big boy toys.

_Owen_
July 4th, 2005, 08:16 PM
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! And you can just go to some office and ask for one of these class three permits? What about in Canada, do you know anything about that. What about a license to carry a concealed weapon?

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 4th, 2005, 09:10 PM
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! And you can just go to some office and ask for one of these class three permits? What about in Canada, do you know anything about that. What about a license to carry a concealed weapon?

Owen Macriwell in the US the individual states decide if they want to let people carry a concealed weapon, Nebraska they don't allow it :( but the pro concealed weapon people are make progress in the state leg, i don't know about Canada though

P.S. we now have a ****ing Crater in our front yard, a artillery shell made a bo bo, and this shell was a max load like 500g or something it went off like 20ft from our house, thank god no one was standing over in that area of the yard, it went off like 20, 25ft from a big group of people, i was like holy mother of ****ing god, when it went off

BruTak
July 5th, 2005, 05:30 AM
Can this site that you gave be trusted??
Yeah. Uncle Sam's Military Clothing (USMC) has been going for just over ten years now. :)

_Owen_
July 5th, 2005, 12:57 PM
In Canada, you need a license, which requires a reason, so you have to be like a cop or something.

LMAO!!!

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 5th, 2005, 01:20 PM
In Canada, you need a license, which requires a reason, so you have to be like a cop or something.

LMAO!!!

Owen Macriit's like that here in some states, you have to have a reason like you have a stocker or something, in others that allow them you just have to want one

P.S. I Love Texas' home invasion law, if some one breaks in to your house you can blow there head off just cause there in your house, in other states your life has to be in immediate danger before you can shoot them, which sucks

_Owen_
July 5th, 2005, 01:42 PM
Lol, you can shoot them if they are anywhere on your property, they don't have to be right in your house.

Owen Macri

BruTak
July 7th, 2005, 06:05 AM
Lol, you can shoot them if they are anywhere on your property, they don't have to be right in your house.

Owen Macri
Halt! Advance and be shot at! :D

sarge
July 7th, 2005, 06:15 AM
Lol, you can shoot them if they are anywhere on your property, they don't have to be right in your house.

Owen Macri
and the problem is?? :D :D

Col. Newman
July 7th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Lol, you can shoot them if they are anywhere on your property, they don't have to be right in your house.

Owen MacriI believe you but how do you know that you live in canada, i was thinking that but i wasn't sure

_Owen_
July 7th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Lol Brutak!

I do live in Canada, but believe it or not, we are aware and have contact with you lesser beings of the rest of the planet, lol. The United States is the basis of many T.V. shows, as well, it is the basis of much news, so we hear a lot about the U.S. It is the dominant nation on the planet.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 7th, 2005, 06:03 PM
Lol Brutak!

I do live in Canada, but believe it or not, we are aware and have contact with you lesser beings of the rest of the planet, lol. The United States is the basis of many T.V. shows, as well, it is the basis of much news, so we hear a lot about the U.S. It is the dominant nation on the planet.

Owen Macriaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah that explains it :)

_Owen_
July 7th, 2005, 06:10 PM
Lol, but I bet down there you guys hear absolutly nothing about us, unless it is a bombing or some stupid move that our government made.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 7th, 2005, 06:19 PM
Lol, but I bet down there you guys hear absolutly nothing about us, unless it is a bombing or some stupid move that our government made.

Owen Macriyeah thats pretty much it lol

P.S. Ha ha i am Watching MOEBIUS part 2

_Owen_
July 7th, 2005, 06:31 PM
I thought that episode was good, but they should have done a three or four parter, it seemed like they tried to jam it all into two hours.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 7th, 2005, 07:04 PM
I thought that episode was good, but they should have done a three or four parter, it seemed like they tried to jam it all into two hours.

Owen Macrione of my favorites is THREADS but they left a lot of unanswered questions, like who slowed down the count down and who sent daniel back, cause i don't think Oma did it i think she was busy but since she is more powerful than anubis (i think) then maybe she did

_Owen_
July 7th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Well, I think Daniel slowed down the timer. I think it is safe to assume that the Ancients had other things to worry about, so they just let Daniel descend without losing his memory.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 7th, 2005, 07:11 PM
Well, I think Daniel slowed down the timer. I think it is safe to assume that the Ancients had other things to worry about, so they just let Daniel descend without losing his memory.

Owen MacriDaniel was not ascended in the first place so he couldn't have done it

_Owen_
July 7th, 2005, 07:46 PM
No, he wasn't ascended, but he did have acsess to the Ancient knowledge in his mind, and with that he could have stopped the coutdown. No one said you have to be ascended to have cool powers.

Owen Macri

Col. Newman
July 7th, 2005, 08:13 PM
No, he wasn't ascended, but he did have acsess to the Ancient knowledge in his mind, and with that he could have stopped the coutdown. No one said you have to be ascended to have cool powers.

Owen Macrihuuuuuh? what are you talking about? the only thing that was keeping him alive was that he was in that "Diner" place that oma had created

Panther
July 7th, 2005, 11:43 PM
Boys. Please keep gun laws out of this. Some moron could come along and start a fight.

Lastly, I thought this was a guns thread not an episode thread.

SavageAncient
July 8th, 2005, 01:03 PM
http://www.luclin.org/files/yilahne/GatlingF.jpg

Col. Newman
July 8th, 2005, 01:06 PM
http://www.luclin.org/files/yilahne/GatlingF.jpg
is that suppost to be a handheld mini gun?

Colonel Sharp
July 8th, 2005, 01:10 PM
I like the ones that shoot things :D

SavageAncient
July 8th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Col. Newman
is that suppost to be a handheld mini gun?

oh yeah! like "Pain" in Predator hehe, you can mow a forest with this baby. they actually had to reduce the rate of fire for the movie because they couldnt hold the gun else. Knockback on these has to be BAD.

Col. Newman
July 8th, 2005, 01:40 PM
oh yeah! like "Pain" in Predator hehe, you can mow a forest with this baby. they actually had to reduce the rate of fire for the movie because they couldnt hold the gun else. Knockback on these has to be BAD.also they were using blanks so the kick back wasn't as bad, if they where using a really one with live rounds they would have got nocked on there butt

Panther
July 8th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Still, woulda been a nice idea. Bloody usefull for initial inserting and a counter-ambush IAD.

Chris O'Farrell
July 9th, 2005, 09:52 PM
Yes I've seen the OAVD. But:
a) how do you expect to be accurate with the rifle in this position?



Jesus Panther, reduce the size of the pictures!!!

But I wouldn't expect to be accurate with ANY rifle in that position. Holding an M-16 or M4 in the same position you would spray all over the place.




b) What if you have to shoot from a corner which curves right?

i.e. and your are # and a right hander?
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You addpt. There is no such thing as the perfect weapon. And I would frankly tradeoff the penalty of lesser coverage when shooting around such corners for the far greater firepower in a smaller package, meaning flexability and ability to switch from close quaters to long range.

More then a few Marines in Fallujah complained over the fact that they would storm into a building, then on the upper floors have to go into a sniper war without pause. With their weapons ill suited to one of the two missions. I wouldn't mind at all having a weapon which could easily do BOTH effectivly.




and lastly it is far from a minor problem. Why do you see a lavishly funded unit like 1st SFOD-D still using the M4, or hell why the new SOFCAR, the FN SCAR?

Because the US military has very specific and rarely changing supplier demands. You don't GET any weapon, even for special forces units, just because you would like it. And the fact is that the base AUG has no real advantage over the M4 or M16 as a standard issue rifle. The AUG-3 on the other hand provides all the advantages of a Bulpop design, combined with the flexability of the M4 in terms of customisation. And its only a prototype thus far so I'm not exactly surprised that Delta Force hasn't picked it up...........

Panther
July 11th, 2005, 12:14 AM
US Special Forces can get any weapon they want. They literally say "I want that" and they get it. Delta Force asked for 40XB target rifles even though no-one else in the military used them. They got it. They weren't shoved with here use the M24 or the M40A3, they got exactly what they wanted.

My point wasn't about the AUG. My point was about bullpups full stop.

BruTak
July 11th, 2005, 05:28 AM
I always wondered if the real reason Daniel kept popping down to visit O'Neill and so on, was that there was this strange ascended girl called Cordellia who kept following about and asking him if he knew anybody called Wesley... ;)

_Owen_
July 13th, 2005, 06:03 PM
Sorry, once again to go off topic but this is it. I appoligize, I thought you were talking about in "Reckoning," not "Threads." Either way, in Reckoning, he used Replicarter to help him acces the Ancient knowledge which he still possesed. People had said that he had the power to acces it, he just didn't know how. So it is possible that while learning Ancient knowledge thanks to Replicarter, he also learned how to freely acces the knowledge in his mind, he could then possibly use some of the knowledge to stop the self destruct. Either that or Oma did it as she entered into her battle with Anubis, as a sort of last act, just as she was attacking him, she thought, "well, I am breaking a ton of rules doing this, so I might as well help Daniel too..."

Or the Ancients really like us, and they did it, because Oma screwed up so much. They just did it to set things right because Oma had already screwed them up a lot.

Owen Macri

mightydefiant
July 13th, 2005, 09:20 PM
What was the gun Burke (Enrico Colantoni) had in Evolution: Part 2?

KTrain22
July 13th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Barrett Sniper Rifles for sure, any gun that can kill a tank from a mile away is sick... and they're also civilian legal ;)

Panther
July 14th, 2005, 01:40 AM
No the Barret cannot take out a tank. It can engage light armoured vehicles, but you might as well be shooting peas at MBTs with it.

mightydefiant, it was an M4A1, with an Elcan 3.4x sight, M203 Grenade launcher, AN/PEQ-2 pointer, and a 100rd Beta-C magazine.

_Owen_
July 14th, 2005, 04:57 AM
I just had a quick question, Panther, sorry again to go off topic. Do you remember all of these guns, or do you have to look them up, or re-watch the episode?

Owen Macri

BruTak
July 14th, 2005, 07:00 AM
Can I also just say I would love a Colonial Marines Pulse Rifle from Aliens.... :D

buckner
July 14th, 2005, 07:55 AM
zat because u dont have 2 kill the person:)

cozzerob
July 14th, 2005, 08:12 AM
I'm a great gun fan, so I have quite a few fav guns:

>silenced berreta (nice, professional and silent)
>FN P90
>WA2000
>PSG1
>HK MP5
>SA80
>L96 sniper rifle

I can't think of anything else at the moment - but I'm sure there's more...

Panther
July 14th, 2005, 06:43 PM
I just had a quick question, Panther, sorry again to go off topic. Do you remember all of these guns, or do you have to look them up, or re-watch the episode?

Owen Macri

No, I took a quick look at the screencaps of the espisode and then about 0.25sec of accessing my biological memory banks to identify the components.

_Owen_
July 17th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Did you ever study guns?

Owen Macri

Panther
July 17th, 2005, 11:12 PM
You mean formally?

BruTak
July 19th, 2005, 05:38 AM
Please excuse the slight deviation from topic, but - any Brits out there been watching "Escape to the Legion"?

A group of 12 guys volunteered to undergo French Foreign Legion training - so far we've had 6 drop-outs. Last night they talked about the Legion's ultra-tough assault course - the Legion's best time, 45 minutes. A team from the USMC's best? 6 hours...

Look up the phrase "mean mothers" in the dictionary, it say "see - Legion, French Foreign".

_Owen_
July 19th, 2005, 08:16 PM
You mean formally?

Yes, like in a class? (do they even have classes?)

Sorry to ignore you Bru'tak, but I am neither from Britain nor know what you are talking about, sorry. No problem about going off topic, that is all we do here! lol.

Owen Macri

Panther
July 19th, 2005, 08:44 PM
Nope. Just a hobby. I do research the topic rapaciously though.

_Owen_
July 19th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Oh, ok, because you are quite an expert.

Owen Macri

Unamed
August 2nd, 2005, 01:48 AM
Yea!!! Got my p90 today!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/metllica/p90002.jpg

nimitz
August 2nd, 2005, 04:07 AM
That doesnt look very life like.

Unamed
August 2nd, 2005, 04:48 AM
What ya mean..? It looks fine to me, maybe its just because of the poor quality pic?

nimitz
August 2nd, 2005, 06:13 AM
i think youre right it is the picture quality

BruTak
August 2nd, 2005, 06:24 AM
Has anyone been keeping an eye on the whole "Lets ban airsoft weapons" thing? I'd hate to have to hand over my P90...

nimitz
August 2nd, 2005, 06:49 AM
thats why im leaving to go to austrailia.anyway i thought it was if the weapon looked to lifelike though the average person wouldnt know if it looked life like.

BruTak
August 2nd, 2005, 07:07 AM
thats why im leaving to go to austrailia.anyway i thought it was if the weapon looked to lifelike though the average person wouldnt know if it looked life like.
I can see your point.
I almost got kicked out of a small convention last year because someone (a "normal" person) thought my P90 and Glock 17L looked a bit too realistic...

Unamed
August 2nd, 2005, 09:07 AM
Ill work on getting a better pic. The gun is sweet but im gona have to save up and get the mauri one.. coz this one has gravity feed which is pretty ****ty!

SP90
August 2nd, 2005, 09:38 AM
So many different guns to choose from, where do I start? Can I include sci-fi weapons?

Sidearm: USP Tactical, P99, Glock 18, Phaser Type 2

SMG: P90, MP5

Rifle: G36C, M82A1, Phase Type 3 EVA, Railgun from Eraser :)

nimitz
August 2nd, 2005, 12:20 PM
Can I include sci-fi weapons?

Why not?

_Owen_
August 2nd, 2005, 12:34 PM
Yea!!! Got my p90 today!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/metllica/p90002.jpg
Cool, perhaps you could include a brighter picture?

Owen Macri

Unamed
August 2nd, 2005, 02:53 PM
Cool, perhaps you could include a brighter picture?

Owen Macri

Ill get some more for tomorrow. Its a really poor quality digital camera.

_Owen_
August 2nd, 2005, 06:00 PM
Ok, thanks, it is really cool. Have you tried it out yet? Do you keep it under your pillow? I would. Lol, I am so envious!

Owen Macri

nimitz
August 3rd, 2005, 12:21 PM
Ok, thanks, it is really cool. Have you tried it out yet? Do you keep it under your pillow? I would. Lol, I am so envious!

Owen Macri
Im really jealous as well.I cant even get a bb gun let alone anything that cool.

Unamed
August 3rd, 2005, 12:58 PM
Sorry guys I hav'nt been able to get any more good pics, the dont come out well with my digital camera. Ill use a friends and get some more soon.
And yes Owen I have used it, infact I smasned a few old light bulbs with it!!! I have yet to shoot someone or get someone to shoot me with it to see how much it hurts!!


Update, I was just shooting one of my drinking glasses because it made a cool pinging noise, i then though to myself that would sound cool on rapid fire.....Of course 2 seconds later im left with a shattered glass and water all over the place!! This thing is powerfull :D

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 01:13 PM
LMAO!!! lol, "This would sound cool on rapid fire..."

Owen Macri

Auralis
August 3rd, 2005, 03:27 PM
Hrmm, favorite guns,

Submachine gun: H&K MP5
Assault Rifle: H&K XM-8
Sniper: AMP DSR-1
AM Rifle: Steyr IWS-2000
special weapon: H&K GMW (40mm cal granade machine gun ....)

Panther
August 3rd, 2005, 05:03 PM
Here's one. Why?

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 06:12 PM
I think the MP5 is a cool gun, but not the best. P90 can deffinetly take the MP5 any day, but it is still a worthy gun.

Owen Macri

BruTak
August 4th, 2005, 05:46 AM
Ok, thanks, it is really cool. Have you tried it out yet? Do you keep it under your pillow? I would. Lol, I am so envious!

Owen Macri
Actually, you can keep a P90 under your pillow. I've tried, it works.
I also used to sleep with an NYPD-style side-bar nightstick by my bedside, but stopped when my then 4 year old niece found it a clouted me a good 'un on the back of the head with it...

valha'lla
August 4th, 2005, 08:02 AM
lol!

nimitz
August 4th, 2005, 08:41 AM
I think the MP5 is a cool gun, but not the best. P90 can deffinetly take the MP5 any day, but it is still a worthy gun.

Owen Macri
What are you on about.MP5 is far more reliable and also is the yardstick for all smgs for a good reason.Accuracy,stopping power,firepower you name it. Its got it in spades.

valha'lla
August 4th, 2005, 08:57 AM
What are you on about.MP5 is far more reliable and also is the yardstick for all smgs for a good reason.Accuracy,stopping power,firepower you name it. Its got it in spades.
The MP5 is an exlant fire arm as is the p90 and each has advantages over the other such as magazine size and then reliablity, both forfill the roles they where designed to, as for which one could take the other is all on the person. The P90 is not liked by some cause of rebility but most militries who don't us it is due to the fact of its design troops do not like to use it as they r not used to its design.

cozzerob
August 4th, 2005, 09:06 AM
Yes, the grip is unconventional, but if you can get used to it it's fine.

As previously said, both are excellent weapons. I wasn't aware that there are any reliability issues with the gun, and (not meaning to be cocky or boastful) as I didn't know about it it would be my guess that reliability is a secondary issue, more of an excuse to back up the 'can't handle the grip' problem.

Personally, I'd choose to have the p90 in most situations (including combat), however, I can see how a pistol grip can facilitate in a slightly quicker readying time (easier to grap than the other grip).

But both exist, and both are used, so it's really a matter of personal choice.