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    Would a gate on the moon work?

    Here's a little point to ponder.

    If a gate was moved onto the Moon would the Earth gate be able to connect to it? Or would it be too close?
    We know that you can only use one gate at a time if there are two on the same planet, but how close can they be without interfering?
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    No it wouldn't work. Gate travel is between star systems, not within a single star system. There would be no way to dial a gate on the moon from the Earth. You could use a gate on the moon to go other places, but not to travel back and forth between the Earth and Moon directly. At the very least you'd have to travel to another star system and then double back. However, you'd also have to make sure that you'd actually connect to the gate on Earth, and not back to the moon, or vice-versa. So... the answer is No. The stargate just doesn't work like that. It would be much more efficient to set up a Ring Transporter on the moon, and then 'ring' back and forth to Earth like that.
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      #3
      That's a point i just remembered, remember in "jolinar's memories" and "the devil you know" bynarr rings from ne'tu to delmak, but would he then have to wait until the rings were aligned, ie. the planets were aligned so the rings were both facing each other? it would make a bit of sense given bynarr only ringed there every day and not whenever he wanted.

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        #4
        the episode prodegy is based on a moon..........that would mean that stagates work on moons, also wasnt one of the tokra bases on a moon, vorash( the one in tokra pt1+2)?
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          #5
          Originally posted by SeaBee
          Here's a little point to ponder.

          If a gate was moved onto the Moon would the Earth gate be able to connect to it? Or would it be too close?
          We know that you can only use one gate at a time if there are two on the same planet, but how close can they be without interfering?
          Probably not, it hasn't been addressed in the show, so we still don't know. I'll try to do an Owen/Seastallion-sized post here.

          (I havn't seen this episode in awhile, so correct me if I'm wrong anywhere, please)
          In Redemption, Pt. 2, the Stargate is being targeted by a new weapon of Anubis. Basically, energy is is keeping the wormhole open, and will cause the Earth 'gate to explode. To solve this, O'neill hurtles the 'gate into hyperspace for one second, using a '302. The wormhole stays connected throughout all of this, and explodes.

          The Gateworld summary says
          Originally posted by Gateworld
          It's enough to get the ship millions of miles from Earth, where the Stargate explodes in a huge fireball. O'Neill is rescued, and the planet is saved.
          A few million miles away probably wouldn't put the 'gate at the orbit of mars, which is 49 million miles away, being very lenient. And jupiter is MUCH further away. This places the gate a few million miles away, between here and mars, when it explodes.

          Now, in Within The Serpent's Grasp, Daniel can't dial home when the ship jumped into Hyperspace, because the PoO wasn't valid. Now, applying this to Redemption, there are a few reasons that the 'gate did not disengage(or still exploded) after jumping into hyperspace.

          1) Once a wormhole is connnected, and not disengaged, it can move around. If a gate is dialed and jumps to hyperspace, there is no evidence to prove that it should not engage. The wormhole would just track the 'gate, and follow it, keeping the two Stargates connected.

          2)The 'gate did disengage. It was just so superpowered that it exploded(could have gained some energy from the Naquadria, hit some stellar dust, etc)

          3)The PoO was still valid, even a few million miles away. This makes sense, because a planet is always moving around a sun(usually...), and a 'gate address works no matter where the 'gate is in that orbit. This means that no matter where the 'gate is whithin the area that an address covers(the PoO), the address will be valid.

          <^^^ translates properties from an out-dialing gate to a recieving gate(Danies tried tol dial out in Within The Serpent's Grasp, and couldn't because the PoO wasn't valid. Nothing was ever mentioned about what would happen if a recieving 'gate's PoO would change.) No need to nitpick this fact, people>


          So the Answer to your question(IMO): No. For a gate to connect to another 'gate, they have to be in two different places, with two different addresses(PoO's). Earth's PoO could extend a few million miles, and encompass the moon, making 'gate travel to the moon from Earth impossible. Phew!
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            #6
            Originally posted by immhotep
            the episode prodegy is based on a moon..........that would mean that stagates work on moons, also wasnt one of the tokra bases on a moon, vorash( the one in tokra pt1+2)?
            Yeah, they work fine anywhere, even in space. They just can't dial another 'gate with the same address/PoO.
            JACKSON: ...I mean isn't that why we're doing this, all of this? The Stargate program, the budget? Isn't it so we can go and meet new races, gather advanced technology and possibly learn about ourselves in the process?
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              #7
              it said millions of miles away, not a few million miles away.......therfore it is unspecified how far away it went, however it took a ddep space radar to pick up the blast, surgesting it was outside our solar system or very near the edge.
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                #8
                Earth is 93 million miles away from the sun, mars is 142,000,000 miles, Jupiter is 484,000,000 miles, Saturn is 887,000,000, and Uranus is 1,780,000,000 miles away. So, the 'gate could have gone anywhere from inside the orbit of Mars to just outside the orbit of Saturn. Then again, that's saying that the 'gate was headed directly out of the solar system. Thanks, Immhotep.
                JACKSON: ...I mean isn't that why we're doing this, all of this? The Stargate program, the budget? Isn't it so we can go and meet new races, gather advanced technology and possibly learn about ourselves in the process?
                VALA: Oh, come on! you do it to meet women.
                MITCHELL: She has a point, sir.
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                  #9
                  I'll give it a shot. If a gate was on Earth and the Moon, the two gate could not connect to eachother because they have the same point of origin, and that makes the gate network think that the gate is basically on the same planet, or relatively close.

                  Both gates would be able to function normally provided they don't dial or receive while one's wormhole is open. And of course if one had a DHD 'plugged in' to it, that would be the gate that would receive the incoming wormholes.

                  The same thing would be true for any planet in the solar system I believe.

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                    #10
                    ^just summarized my entire post
                    JACKSON: ...I mean isn't that why we're doing this, all of this? The Stargate program, the budget? Isn't it so we can go and meet new races, gather advanced technology and possibly learn about ourselves in the process?
                    VALA: Oh, come on! you do it to meet women.
                    MITCHELL: She has a point, sir.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by immhotep
                      it said millions of miles away, not a few million miles away.......therfore it is unspecified how far away it went, however it took a ddep space radar to pick up the blast, surgesting it was outside our solar system or very near the edge.
                      Um.... Actually, if I recall correctly... the explosion could be seen from Earth. I seem to remember clearly that the 302 entered hyperspace and the gate was seen exploding from Earth. (I just watched the episode on my DVD player "Redemption" part 2.) Yes, it WAS seen from Earth exploding. Therefore it was only a few million miles away, and not even close to being outside of the solar system. The escort fighters for O'Neill were flying in the air looking for his parachute, when they report seeing "fireworks" (and the episode actually shows the explosion), and then the SGC gets a report from Deepspace Telemetry to confirm the explosion. The stargate was only sent a relatively short distance away from Earth, just enough to not do any damage.
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                        #12
                        So, if we could figure out how long it took from O'neill sending the 'gate into Hyperspace to the explosion, we could probably figure out the distance that it traveled.
                        JACKSON: ...I mean isn't that why we're doing this, all of this? The Stargate program, the budget? Isn't it so we can go and meet new races, gather advanced technology and possibly learn about ourselves in the process?
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                          #13
                          Forgetting though that this was an overly super-charged Naquadah stargate. Being able to see it doesn't mean it was close, just means it was big.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Brian2103
                            Forgetting though that this was an overly super-charged Naquadah stargate. Being able to see it doesn't mean it was close, just means it was big.
                            The pause between the launch and the visible blast was a few seconds, I think, so the Gate exploded very close to the Earth, astronomically speaking; a handful of light-seconds away.

                            ETA: It actually states that the detonate was 'over three million miles from Earth'.
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                              #15
                              My attempt at a diagram(of the day the episode was aired):

                              JACKSON: ...I mean isn't that why we're doing this, all of this? The Stargate program, the budget? Isn't it so we can go and meet new races, gather advanced technology and possibly learn about ourselves in the process?
                              VALA: Oh, come on! you do it to meet women.
                              MITCHELL: She has a point, sir.
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