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    Saga- 1.) An epic tale in literature recounting events in the lives of historical and/or mythological figures. 2.) A long story or novel, or a series of stories and novels, often following the lives of a family or community over several generations. 3.) A complicated series of events or personal experiances stretching over a considerable period of time, or a detailed account of such a series of events or experiances.

    I've always found that Saga's are the greatest stories. They tend to be long, but usually they are worth it. They are long, because there is much to tell. Many of the more popular sci-fi and fantasy these days are more like short stories than true Saga's. Star Trek, Star Wars, and other popular genres within sci-fi might be considered Saga's only for the sheer volume of stories that have been built up over time, but I would hesitate to call them true Saga's.

    A good Saga, I think, must have drama, serenity, adversity, fortune, catastrophe, victory, hate, love, war, peace, despair, and inspiration. They are the tales of hero's and courage. They are the tales of tragedy and truimph. They are the tales of loss and rebirth. Usually, the tragedy comes in a time of peace, when it is least expected (as they usually do...). The aftermath is one of terrible consequences and trouble. More often than not, we follow the events of only certain individuals, rather than the many that take part. Usually, the individuals are in some way key to the Saga itself. They have important parts to play, and great stories to tell. A Saga isn't just a long story, it is usually a Legendary story. Some are purely fiction, but others have their births in some grain of truth. We now know 'The Iliad' was one such tale...

    For a long time, it was believed that there was never a city called 'Troy', but then the ruins were found. How much of the Saga was true, and what was simply embellishment or bald-faced lies is beside the point. The story has valuable lessons to teach. It is from 'The Iliad' that we recieve such common terms as 'a trojan horse', or 'an Achilles' heel'. One portrays infiltration into the otherwise impenetrable, and the other a weakness in the invincible. Each is a lesson in humility, that even the strongest and most well defended are not without weakness and vulnerability. "Pride goeth before a fall".

    In the movie, "The Lord of the Rings", Samwise Gamgee spoke of 'the tales worth telling, and the fights worth fighting'. The Saga's are those tales. I can think of a few that are worth mentioning that I have read, and here they are;

    (It is also worth mentioning, that I refer to the literature... not any films)

    "The Lord of the Rings" - J. R. R. Tolkien
    "The Odyssey" - Homer, the Greek
    "The Iliad" - Homer, the Greek
    The Books of "Dune" - Frank Herbert
    "Battlefield Earth" - L. Ron Hubbard
    "The Chronicles of Narnia" - C. S. Lewis
    "The Bible" - not applicable

    A Saga isn't merely a novel, it is a story that is years in the telling and great in its scope. I'm sure I've missed more than a few, but then there are so many I'm sure I shouldn't be expected to count for them all. I merely listed the ones I'm most familiar with, that I consider among the greatest.

    If you feel I have left any out, please feel free to add to the list. My point in making this thread, is that there may be Saga's I'm unaware of and might want to read. If so, and you list it, then I (and others) may have the chance to read it afterwards. This isn't so much a book club, as much as it may be an open forum of great stories. If it is a great story worth reading, and worth having been told about, then list it here.

    enjoy...
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    #2
    Hmmm would the Battletech/Mechwarrior novels count?

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      #3
      Originally posted by gatelover12
      Hmmm would the Battletech/Mechwarrior novels count?
      I suppose if it follows the definition of Saga (which is at the beginning of my post), it might. I'm not really familiar with those books, or stories. It might be helpful to tell a bit about the story, or at least what you feel is worth telling. Knowing a little about a story, is good incentive to want to read the entire thing. A title alone seldom accomplishes that goal. Give us some bait, and maybe we'll bite...!

      The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
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      To all the 'Sci & Tech' forum users: If you are searching for a thread about your topic of interest, please come visit our Concordance Thread. If you have any questions, we will attempt to help you.
      http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=26498

      Feel free to pass the green..!

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      My Blog @ http://myhatsize.blogspot.com
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      Also, visit my webpage at... http://www.stargatesg1.com/Seastallion Sadly, this page is gone with the website that supported it, but I'll keep the link up in memorial.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Seastallion
        I suppose if it follows the definition of Saga (which is at the beginning of my post), it might. I'm not really familiar with those books, or stories. It might be helpful to tell a bit about the story, or at least what you feel is worth telling. Knowing a little about a story, is good incentive to want to read the entire thing. A title alone seldom accomplishes that goal. Give us some bait, and maybe we'll bite...!

        welll i've only read one and it not the first in its seiries! (books-a-million had two and I was poor) it's called "Storms of Fate" and it's about the civil war ripping the Federated Commonweath apart. You see Katrina Stiener-Davion stole the empire from its rightful heir, her brother Victor. So Victor is trying to take it back. Throughout the story assasanations, political considerations and even art play a roll in swaying the public's opinion. While Victor's forces cut a path toward New Avalon (the capital). Anaway the author did a great job portraying EVERYTHING IMHO.

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          #5
          I'm not sure if you'd consider Tad Williams' Otherland series to be a saga - it is certainly epic in scope, and contains much of the
          drama, serenity, adversity, fortune, catastrophe, victory, hate, love, war, peace, despair, and inspiration
          that you mentioned. But the story doesn't stretch over all that great a time period - less than a year, I believe, and we follow a largish number of characters (in three or four groups, though).

          If you're looking outside of sci-fi and fantasy, the Edward Rutherfurd books might be considered sagas. He wrote The Forest, London, Sarum, and Russka, among others (those are the ones I own). I haven't read all of them, but from those I have, it might fit. He picks a few fictional families, and follows their interactions, their ups and downs, triumphs and defeats, from a starting point (Roman times, Norman times, etc.) up to the time of his writing. So while you don't follow only one character, you are following only one or two families.

          I'll have to think about it to see if there are more. I own over 1600 books, though, so it might take me a while to sort through them all in my head. Since you've already got most of the Greco-Roman stuff I own (hey - what about The Aeneid?), I'll start with the Arthurian tales (Malory, etc.) and see what I come up with.
          ~La (I used to be a lurker, but this place just sucks you in...)
          The Nameless Forest. Also, my LJ, where you can find my fic attempts.

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            #6
            Originally posted by LurkerLa
            I own over 1600 books
            WOW...! Now that is a lot of books. I sort of envy you... I have a fair number of books myself, but nowhere near touching that many. One of my goals in life is to have a small library. I'd like to have an entire room devoted to a book collection someday. *phew* That is definitely a lot of books to go through. My book collection largely represents my personal interest. I have books on Archaology, Philosophy, Science (NF), Fiction, History, and even a few on Politics. Many of my books are Reference books, as well. I like having reference material nearby when I want to look something up, or figure something out. Lucky you...!
            The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
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            To all the 'Sci & Tech' forum users: If you are searching for a thread about your topic of interest, please come visit our Concordance Thread. If you have any questions, we will attempt to help you.
            http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=26498

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              #7
              Originally posted by Seastallion
              WOW...! Now that is a lot of books. I sort of envy you... I have a fair number of books myself, but nowhere near touching that many. One of my goals in life is to have a small library. I'd like to have an entire room devoted to a book collection someday. *phew* That is definitely a lot of books to go through. My book collection largely represents my personal interest. I have books on Archaology, Philosophy, Science (NF), Fiction, History, and even a few on Politics. Many of my books are Reference books, as well. I like having reference material nearby when I want to look something up, or figure something out. Lucky you...!
              It is a lot... especially when you move them cross country (only thing I'm not looking forward to about moving ). I actually had to get a two bedroom apartment, just so I'd have space for them. My collection's pretty eclectic, too. I'm a historian, so naturally I have a number of history books, with a fair number of humanities subjects in general, my Ancient Classics - Homer, Virgil, Thucydides, Herodotus, Aristophanes, etc. Mythology, Arthurian literature (but only a few in Middle English), foreign language reference and literature, sci-fi, fantasy, mystery, romance, thrillers, general reference, plays, classics, some poetry, and my "old" books - original Bobbsey Twins, 19th century (very poor) copies of some books. A few astronomy or geology books. You name the genre, I've probably got at least one. Problem is I can't seem to get rid of any of them. I go to used bookstores, but only to buy, never to sell. So it's a huge drain on my (now very) limited finances.

              I too have a dream of my own library - I actually have a list of 100 things to do before I die, and one is own enough shelving for all my books. I have four stacks under my desk right now, and a four shelves at my parents' house. I think it's a bit out of control! I'm working on the catalogue of them right now, but it's going to take a while...

              Oh - and in terms of Sagas... the "Earth's Children" (Clan of the Cave Bear etc.) might fit the definition as well.
              ~La (I used to be a lurker, but this place just sucks you in...)
              The Nameless Forest. Also, my LJ, where you can find my fic attempts.

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                #8
                wow... again. It sounds like you've fairly well achieved what I'd like to. I like having reference material handy, which is why I sometimes buy reference books as well as fiction. History, philosophy, archaeology, science, politics, science ficiton, regular fiction, etc. Those are the types of books I own. I like to speculate about things, so many of my books are geared in that direction. I have books by Graham Hancock, John A. West, Zachira Stichen, and many others not neccessarily history related. I own 'Visions' by Machio Kaku (a physicist) where he speculates on future technology based on current trends of available technology and research directions. I own a few other similiar books. I also have a book called 'The Holographic Universe', which is very interesting. It is basically a new theory on the nature of the universe... very cool. One of my reference books is 'the works of Josephus', and of course I have the obligatory Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. Can't go without that if your doing research in the Bible. Some of the words in the KJV were mistranslated, so it helps to double check on certain key words sometimes. Sometimes the mistranslation isn't such a big deal, but in other cases it could completely change the gist of a sentence.

                You said you were a historian... what era? From your list of books, it sounded like your mostly into ancient history. That is my personal favorite aspect of history. It is the part of history we know the least about, and therefore has the greatest appeal to me. I believe there is far more to history than is generally taught, I just don't know how far it goes. Primarily, I believe that human civilization is much older than we've been led to believe, however few historians or archaeologist would admit that much. Our history has been narrowed down to the last 10,000 years. (8,000 BC, essentially to now) Yet I can't help but believe that human history goes back much, much further. Maybe we've simply lost the documents to affirm it. Wars and Catastrophe have taken much knowledge from us.
                The success or failure of your deeds, does not add up to the sum of your life. Your spirit cannot be weighed! Judge yourself by the intentions of your actions, and by the strength with which you faced the challenges that have stood in your way. The Universe is so vast, and we are so small, there is only truly one thing we can control; whether we are good or evil... -Oma Desala
                Spoiler:

                To all the 'Sci & Tech' forum users: If you are searching for a thread about your topic of interest, please come visit our Concordance Thread. If you have any questions, we will attempt to help you.
                http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=26498

                Feel free to pass the green..!

                My Website... http://return-of-the-constitution.webs.com
                My Blog @ http://myhatsize.blogspot.com
                Amazing Literary Works of Fel... http://sennadar.com/wp/

                Also, visit my webpage at... http://www.stargatesg1.com/Seastallion Sadly, this page is gone with the website that supported it, but I'll keep the link up in memorial.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Seastallion
                  A good Saga, I think, must have drama, serenity, adversity, fortune, catastrophe, victory, hate, love, war, peace, despair, and inspiration. They are the tales of hero's and courage. They are the tales of tragedy and truimph. They are the tales of loss and rebirth.

                  If you feel I have left any out, please feel free to add to the list.
                  *cough* Star Wars, anybody? *cough*
                  There is only one thing we can ever truly control: whether we are good, or evil.

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