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Corvidae
May 20th, 2005, 07:54 AM
Hey I'm new here and still watching the episodes. I'm at season 2 now, just finished The Fifth Race and it's the best ep I've seen so far.

I'm just wondering though, what will happen if you cross a vertical 'gate into a horizontal one? If you jump through the vert 'gate you'd probably have enough momentum to fall somewhere, but what if you just walked through?

Would you just fall back into the event horizon in that case?

aAnubiSs
May 20th, 2005, 10:01 AM
yes you would. Happens in 100 days

Lida
May 20th, 2005, 10:22 AM
I believe a horizontal gate was also used in the last scenes of The First Commandment, season 1. However, it appeared to be a "bad" thing, in that episode, as opposed to 100 Days. I'm not certain why. I'm certain someone with more technical knowledge about the Gate will answer the question.

Elite Anubis Guard
May 20th, 2005, 10:23 AM
If you jumped intowards the the ring then ya might be able to grab the ring when ya come out on the other side and climb out!

Lida
May 20th, 2005, 10:25 AM
Sorry, just remembered the scene......the iris on the SGC side was closed and the team had had their GDO's taken away, so if they had been pushed into the open, horizontal Stargate, they would would have gone splat when they reached their destination. (The iris would have been closed.)

Hudson
May 20th, 2005, 10:44 AM
if you leave at the speed you come out, shouldent it have a trampolene effect? just try and bounce off :D

Corvidae
May 20th, 2005, 11:05 AM
Lida, the episode you mentioned is actually going through a horizontal gate, not emerging from it.

Anubis Guard, that would work is you knew it was horizontal on the other side. If you didn't...

Hudson, haha you may be right although you might just as easily fall back in again.

DJFavorite
May 20th, 2005, 11:05 AM
Actually, it all depends on which direction you have the horizontal Stargate lying.

In "A Hundred Days" (season 3), you have the issue of falling back into the event horizon. But in "Death Knell" (season 7), you don’t. There is a scene where, then they exited the gate, they landed in a hole that the kawoosh created. They had to wait for the gate to disengage and then climb out.

Elite Anubis Guard
May 20th, 2005, 12:16 PM
Anubis Guard, that would work is you knew it was horizontal on the other side. If you didn't...



Well that;'d be wat the MALP is for? :D It'd be interesting to see that happen!

Ancient Scientist
May 20th, 2005, 01:00 PM
i am pretty sure the ancients would not place a gate where one could be hurt. there is prolly a way around that

DJFavorite
May 20th, 2005, 01:05 PM
i am pretty sure the ancients would not place a gate where one could be hurt. there is prolly a way around that

Well, I think that all the stargates that have not been in the vertical position, were not put in that position by the ancients. I'm pretty sure that it was a natural disaster, attack or some other means of human/alien involvment.

_Owen_
May 20th, 2005, 01:12 PM
There are two possibilities that could happen.

1. The side of the gate from which you will emerge is facing in the direction of the gravity source, in which case you will simply fall to the ground.

2. The side of the gate from which you will emerge is facing away from the gravity source, in this case you will exit the event horizon at the speed which you entered the event horizon on the sending gate, then gravity will make its move and you will fall back down into the stargates' event horizon, you would then cease to exist, except as raw energy.

If you managed to travel into the gate at a very fast speed you could potentialy fly into the air, then if there was a strong wind it could blow you past the edge of the stargate allowing you to simply fall to the ground.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
May 20th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Carter 'fell' through a gate in 2001. She just came through the earth gate very quickly, did a roll, and shouted "close the iris!"

In A Hundred Days, the malp goes through the ramp, is transported, rematerializes through the vertical 'gate, falls back, and is destroyed.

_Owen_
May 20th, 2005, 10:20 PM
In "2001" Carter knew that she would come out of the gate facing the same way that she went in, so she purposly fell in the right way.

Owen Macri

Corvidae
May 21st, 2005, 12:16 AM
So tearing down a vertical stargate to the ground effectively makes it a hundred times harder if not impossible to access with ground troops.

Hudson
May 21st, 2005, 01:21 AM
So...if they moved the earth gate horizontal in that episode where tannith is going to get the tollan to send the bomb to earth, the device would have fallen back into the event horizon and disintergrated.....

Crazedwraith
May 21st, 2005, 02:36 AM
Depends if the gates facing up or down. If its up. Ala 100 hundred days. You fall back through the vent horizon and die.

If its face down. Ala "Death Knell" the swoosh carves out a cave for you to fave in. So you'd better bring a ladder.

Elite Anubis Guard
May 21st, 2005, 03:08 AM
So...if they moved the earth gate horizontal in that episode where tannith is going to get the tollan to send the bomb to earth, the device would have fallen back into the event horizon and disintergrated.....
yeah thats an idea! It could be used a decent defence!

the Fifth Race
May 21st, 2005, 05:11 AM
Depends if the gates facing up or down. If its up. Ala 100 hundred days. You fall back through the vent horizon and die.

If its face down. Ala "Death Knell" the swoosh carves out a cave for you to fave in. So you'd better bring a ladder.


Thats exactly how I understood it crazed one!.... I just could'nt think of the episodes where we witnessed this.

_Owen_
May 21st, 2005, 10:45 AM
This could be an effective defense, however in that episode they didn't know to put it horizontally. Also, a weapon such as a bomb could be set on a timer, to explode as soon as it crossed the event horizon, therfore, turning the gate on its side would have no effect, the bomb flies up in the air, boom, part of the energy released from the explosion re enters the event horizon, but a ton of it is released outwards, and will blow you up. The iris or Atlantis shield is much more effective.

Owen Macri

Hudson
May 21st, 2005, 10:56 AM
Good point

what if they used a jetpack of sorts. or put a ladder through it?

_Owen_
May 21st, 2005, 11:00 AM
Some kind of jetpack or personal antigravity generator would work, however a ladder through the gate would not work because it would not rematerialize until it completly passed the event horizon, and when it did, it would simply exit and fall back into the event horizon os well.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
May 21st, 2005, 09:52 PM
just like the air hose for Earnest Littlefield. ;)

_Owen_
May 23rd, 2005, 05:58 PM
Exactly!

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
May 24th, 2005, 04:18 PM
Except as we all know, he managed to appear, even with the air hose.

_Owen_
May 24th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Yes, I think we can write that off as an oversight in the storyline, it being only the first season.

Owen Macri

White Knight
June 1st, 2005, 03:57 AM
I've always thought that knocking the Stargate onto its back would be a great MacGyver-esqe idea for use in the field, when heaps of bad guys are pouring through the Gate. Just put it on its back (dunno how...It'd be hard if it was in the stone pedestal thing, but if it was only in the ground...) and any enemies coming through would simply fall back into the event horizon and be disintegrated.

If Stargate's Powers That Be are reading...its something to think about...

6thMonolith
June 1st, 2005, 02:45 PM
Lol, I'd want to see that happen. And who says that the pedestal thing would be trouble? We do have RDA...

_Owen_
June 1st, 2005, 02:48 PM
I don't think it would be any problem knocking the gate over. And logicaly speaking it is a very good idea. If you have no other defense and you can't stop the hoards of troops, just knock it over, there is the chance that one or two might escape, but most would be killed.

Owen Macri

~Thor~
June 3rd, 2005, 02:51 AM
Similar to what Sheppard did in The Eye (with the shield)

_Owen_
June 3rd, 2005, 02:38 PM
Yes, the ending consequenses would be the same.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 3rd, 2005, 05:09 PM
Except that this would look cooler :D Person flies up into the air... back into the gate.

_Owen_
June 3rd, 2005, 06:32 PM
Ya, they could fly up, waving thier arms and legs and then fall back down hitting a whole buch of people as they went back down.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 4th, 2005, 03:55 PM
I'm thinking how it would look behind the scenes if someone didn't get out of the way as the next person fell down. It'd be a large pile of people :)

_Owen_
June 4th, 2005, 09:30 PM
Lol, they could always edit the people in after they completed the film. So they could have some guys falling up and down on a trampoline and tape that, then they could film the Stargate horizontally the required amount of time, then when they edit in the event horizon they could also edit in the guys bouncing on the trampoline.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 5th, 2005, 10:34 AM
But then you have the same horus guards going up and down, over and over again, laughing at the good time they're having. :D

_Owen_
June 5th, 2005, 11:12 AM
lol, maybe they would put the trampoline over a big fire pit of lava to institue real fear.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 5th, 2005, 11:15 AM
And have people start prodding them with pitchforks? Sounds like a great idea, Owen...

_Owen_
June 5th, 2005, 11:21 AM
I think they would do that for all of the episodes, put the people in real danger, so they are really scared, but with real danger comes real casualties, lol.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 5th, 2005, 11:29 AM
Wouldn't that make it a reality TV show? I don't like Reality. Reality TV. I ment reality TV... :D

_Owen_
June 5th, 2005, 11:31 AM
Ya, I don't like reality T.V. either, but if it was still the same Stargate SG-1 I could make an exception. It wouldn't really reality T.V.

Owen Macri