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blueguy w/thehand
May 8th, 2005, 08:54 PM
There are too many kinds of crystal tech. such as the ancientd normally white or clear crystal. Then there is Gou'ld sp? crystals which are multicolored.

But is crystal tech really that great? It seems no worse than wires and circuts.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/dansteve/crystal.jpg

immhotep
May 9th, 2005, 01:53 AM
are you kidding!

Esquin
May 9th, 2005, 02:52 AM
Ok lets begin crystal computers 101.

Crystals can store more information, they store it on an atomic level so there is alot more space, the storage system is more stable, ie they won't be stuffed by a magnet being run over them. Realistically it should be far easier to burn them out then some episodes would have you believe but hey can't make it to easy can we.

Access to the crystals is also faster.

Also cystal colours are for recognitian purposes a hyperdrive control crystal made from a red one will function just as well as a blue one.

lethalfang
May 9th, 2005, 01:38 PM
I don't know how good are cystal techs. They've never explained it.
But wire and circuits are indeed primative. The speed of electrons going from one end of wire to another is relatively slow, yet the size of the electrons are quite large (relatively speaking), which is why the computers we have right now are reaching its limit and the development of quantum computing is underway.
Electrons also generate a lot of heat, and they are susceptible to electromagnatic radiation.

_Owen_
May 9th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Indeed crytstal technology would be a huge break through, and I believe that it would help human society, or at least make my computer run faster.

Well we are on the subject of crystals, I will mention something. In Goa'uld ships, the crystals are a whole buch of diffrent colours, so you know which is for which, as Esquin said. However in the Prometheus, as I remember, they are all white, this would make maitenance much more difficult, it would be hard to know which crystal does what without labels.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
May 9th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Well we are on the subject of crystals, I will mention something. In Goa'uld ships, the crystals are a whole buch of diffrent colours, so you know which is for which, as Esquin said. However in the Prometheus, as I remember, they are all white, this would make maitenance much more difficult, it would be hard to know which crystal does what without labels.

Yes, but when we are on a Ha'tak, we know right away which crystal to remove to destroy the ship, but when a Goa'uld is on our prommie, they'll have no idea. Better for security, worse for those maitenance workers.

_Owen_
May 9th, 2005, 04:14 PM
That is a good point, the maintenance workers must have some means of identifing the crystals, but what happens when they are in deep space and they don't have maitenance workers, do they have labels on all of the crystals? For now I will assume that it is magic.

Owen Macri

blueguy w/thehand
May 9th, 2005, 04:53 PM
have you niticed that the atlantis crystals are white too. They are formed differently than earths though.

6thMonolith
May 9th, 2005, 05:05 PM
Yeah, I noticed that the PJ crystals look like large wafers, while the Goa'uld/Tauri crystals are more of a traditional shape. As for how the Prommie crew identifies the crystals, they might be organized in a certain way, or there is some way of telling one crystal from the next(different shape, energy signature, etc).

blueguy w/thehand
May 9th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Do you mean about the pj crystals like the ones ford has to fix in hide and seek?

_Owen_
May 9th, 2005, 08:41 PM
I don't remember that but I assume the answer is yes, how many crystals could it have. Yes I would hope that they have some way of identifing the crystals cause if you didn't it would get pretty complicated.

As for the Atlantis crystals looking diffrent they probably are better in some way. It is wierd in Atlantis it seems they have crystals everywhere, on pretty much all of those poles in the hallways, it occured to me that they could just be lights, because if all of Atlantis was covered in crystals that would be a lot of information.

Owen Macri

YodaMate
May 10th, 2005, 07:24 AM
In later episodes, they mention that the Atlantis database has multiple redundancy systems, that eliminating it physically is impossible short of destroying the city itself. So maybe those crystals do have info on them as well as been able to light the city.

I'm sure that by now the Tau'ri have developed a crystal interface with their regular computers on Prommie, so if they were unsure of what was on a crystal, then they could plug it into the computer and see what's on it, so to speak. The white crystals are probably to slow down and confuse saboteurs and attackers, giving the crew more time to spot a saboteur or rally against an intruder.

MarshAngel
May 11th, 2005, 06:43 AM
While I understand that the crystal tech is more efficient yadda yadda yada. Can someone please explain to me how moving crystals around (as seen in Hot Zone) in Atlantis's control room is more efficient than say touch screen technology? It seems to me that in a tough situation it's too easy to drop a crystal, put it in the wrong spot... it just takes too much time moving crystals around to be efficient for regular activity.
Sure it looks cool but does it actually make sense?

Spimman
May 11th, 2005, 06:59 AM
I vote they hook the crystel take up to a touch/voice screen activated computerized device than can move the crystals for them!

_Owen_
May 11th, 2005, 01:14 PM
In later episodes, they mention that the Atlantis database has multiple redundancy systems, that eliminating it physically is impossible short of destroying the city itself. So maybe those crystals do have info on them as well as been able to light the city.

I'm sure that by now the Tau'ri have developed a crystal interface with their regular computers on Prommie, so if they were unsure of what was on a crystal, then they could plug it into the computer and see what's on it, so to speak. The white crystals are probably to slow down and confuse saboteurs and attackers, giving the crew more time to spot a saboteur or rally against an intruder.
That is a possibility, I agree having all of the crystals the same colour is is practical incase of intrusion by and unwanted person or force.

I am sure that they have some way to identify the crystals, even if it is just some of those white stick-on labels that say which crystal does what.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
May 11th, 2005, 01:27 PM
While I understand that the crystal tech is more efficient yadda yadda yada. Can someone please explain to me how moving crystals around (as seen in Hot Zone) in Atlantis's control room is more efficient than say touch screen technology? It seems to me that in a tough situation it's too easy to drop a crystal, put it in the wrong spot... it just takes too much time moving crystals around to be efficient for regular activity.
Sure it looks cool but does it actually make sense?
Actually, having a touch screen interdace would be considerably slower than using crystal technology, and would not be able to do the same things that moving crystals can do. For example, many times they move the crystals to route power to other systems, or to route power away or to completly deactivate things.

With a touch screen interface, it will require software along with it this would also allow for the possiblity that there could be malfunctions in the software, information is "hard-coded" onto the crystals, there is almost no chance of malfuction without physical damage to the crystals. Also the software would definetly run slower than the crystals.

It might be an inconvience to physicaly move the crystals around, but that is all that it is, in the long run, that tiny amount of energy that you sacrifice moving the crystals around will definetly be made up for with overall speed, durability, and productivness.

There is also the chance that with touch screen technology, you would need to downgrade the rest of your technology, decreasing the productivnes.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
May 11th, 2005, 01:28 PM
I vote they hook the crystel take up to a touch/voice screen activated computerized device than can move the crystals for them!
For this idea, you would need to include many moving parts and there is more chance of damage and overall system failure, due to primitive technology, compared to what we have now.

Owen Macri

jefferyb
May 11th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Did anyone ever notice that the Asgard use White Crystals, just like Atlantis, and most of the Atlantis operating systems are very similar to the Asgard, like the Asgard has just caught up with the Ancients, and they have been gone at least 10,000 years.

_Owen_
May 11th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Actually, it seems as though the Asgard are still considerably far behind the Ancients as they were a couple million years ago, remember you are comparing new Asgard technology to Atlantis, which was built more than several million years ago. The Asgard were probably incredibly primitve, incredibly primitve compared to the Ancients.

It seems as though Ancients predate, well, everyone and everything, they are deffinetly the oldest and most advanced race we have met so far, it is a possibility that they created all other life, including the Asgard, Nox, and Furlings.

Owen Macri

blueguy w/thehand
May 15th, 2005, 02:38 PM
does anyone remember what the furlings tech is like. It was shown in the one where maybourne and jack get stuck on the paradise moon.

_Owen_
May 15th, 2005, 02:45 PM
I remember what it looks like, but it is hard to explain exactly, I will try to find a picture for you.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
May 15th, 2005, 02:47 PM
http://gateworld.net/sg1/s6/graphics/615_05.jpg

here is a picture of the furling transporter, sorry there is no close up of any specific piece, I will try to find another picture.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
May 15th, 2005, 02:51 PM
http://jack.stargate-sg1.hu/whatyoueat/scene-02/STARGATE_SG1_V4_R1_YR6-94.jpg
http://jack.stargate-sg1.hu/whatyoueat/scene-02/STARGATE_SG1_V4_R1_YR6-76.jpg

here are two more.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
May 15th, 2005, 02:56 PM
That is all that I can find for now, sorry.

Owen Macri