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the Fifth Race
April 30th, 2005, 05:59 AM
Anybody hear any kind of plans for a new Star Trek movie?...I remember after the last debacle they made (God that movie was horrible) the franchise has seemed dead. I know they said that Nemesis was it for the TNG crew. Then I remember reading that they had plans or were writing up a story involving Capt Janeway and some of the Voyager crew for Star Trek 11....This was awhile back and have'nt heard anything since. Any info or ideas about this are appreciated.

Scoobing
April 30th, 2005, 06:17 AM
I hear its set after ENT's time but before TOS. Many have speculated that it has something to do with the Romulan Wars. The new cast is said to be 'younger', which has led to speculation that it has something to do with Starfleet Academy also.

This is all just rumor that I have heard. :)

Daniel Jackson
April 30th, 2005, 09:48 AM
Anybody hear any kind of plans for a new Star Trek movie?...I remember after the last debacle they made (God that movie was horrible) the franchise has seemed dead. I know they said that Nemesis was it for the TNG crew. Then I remember reading that they had plans or were writing up a story involving Capt Janeway and some of the Voyager crew for Star Trek 11....This was awhile back and have'nt heard anything since. Any info or ideas about this are appreciated.
The original idea was that Nemesis would be the final TNG movie, but if very successful, it would get a direct sequel, and that would be the final TNG movie.

Recently, Scott Bakula has stated that durring his show's 3rd season, Berman and Braga toyed with the idea of doing an ENT movie.

It seems the new movie will be a prequel to the other movies, set between ENT and TOS, probably about the Romulan War, originally intended to use the ENT cast, but now featuring a new cast.

Thoughts?

Seastallion
April 30th, 2005, 10:10 AM
The original idea was that Nemesis would be the final TNG movie, but if very successful, it would get a direct sequel, and that would be the final TNG movie.

Recently, Scott Bakula has stated that durring his show's 3rd season, Berman and Braga toyed with the idea of doing an ENT movie.

It seems the new movie will be a prequel to the other movies (http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=movies), set between ENT and TOS, probably about the Romulan War, originally intended to use the ENT cast, but now featuring a new cast.

Thoughts?

That is pretty much what I heard... or at least something similiar. That it will likely deal with the Romulan War, which is the MAJOR event around ST:E's time period that hasn't been covered really (though it was touched on), and now won't be. I could see some of the cast form ST:E coming on board to do a movie that afterall is dealing with their time. Particularly, Archer and maybe T'Pol. (Ens. Soto (linguist) and Cdr. Tucker (engineer), possibly... but I don't really see any of the others doing it)

The thing is... the Romulan War is the specific reason the United Federation of Planets was born. Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and the Tellarites were the original signatories I believe. They decided that it was mutually beneficial to combine trade, science, and defense. The Federation, is really sort of like the U.S. government setup. Each 'state' maintains its own local customs and laws (excepting where Federation law supercedes it... usually rare though). However, the UFP is responsible for overall foreign policy and defense. (Each planet has its own defence force/police, besides Starfleet) The capitol of the UFP is in Paris, and the HQ of Starfleet Command is in San Francisco. ( :rolleyes: , although given todays political climate... I doubt either would even be in consideration... :p ) anywho... That is what they were headed towards with ST:E, but since it's been canceled, it does seem likely they may tell the story on film. It could be a really good story... aren't most big space battles?? That is what I loved about DS9... :p So, who knows? I guess we'll have to just wait and see what they decided to do finally.

:eek:

the Fifth Race
April 30th, 2005, 10:35 AM
That is pretty much what I heard... or at least something similiar. That it will likely deal with the Romulan War, which is the MAJOR event around ST:E's time period that hasn't been covered really (though it was touched on), and now won't be. I could see some of the cast form ST:E coming on board to do a movie that afterall is dealing with their time. Particularly, Archer and maybe T'Pol. (Ens. Soto (linguist) and Cdr. Tucker (engineer), possibly... but I don't really see any of the others doing it)

The thing is... the Romulan War is the specific reason the United Federation of Planets was born. Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and the Tellarites were the original signatories I believe. They decided that it was mutually beneficial to combine trade, science, and defense. The Federation, is really sort of like the U.S. government setup. Each 'state' maintains its own local customs and laws (excepting where Federation law supercedes it... usually rare though). However, the UFP is responsible for overall foreign policy and defense. (Each planet has its own defence force/police, besides Starfleet) The capitol of the UFP is in Paris, and the HQ of Starfleet Command is in San Francisco. ( :rolleyes: , although given todays political climate... I doubt either would even be in consideration... :p ) anywho... That is what they were headed towards with ST:E, but since it's been canceled, it does seem likely they may tell the story on film. It could be a really good story... aren't most big space battles?? That is what I loved about DS9... :p So, who knows? I guess we'll have to just wait and see what they decided to do finally.

:eek:


Hey don't be bagging on San Francisco as the location for Starfleet! :D Actually to be geographically correct, Starfleet Academy is located in Marin County (which is connected just to the North of SF, half the Golden Gate Bridge is in Marin county) Those shots of Starfleet academy in "Voyage Home" shows Starfleet on the Marin headlands facing SF and the GGB. Where as the way they portrayed it in 'Voyager', shows Starfleet academy located in Sausalito. Starfleet owns the primest real estate anywhere in the world!. I work in San Francisco everyday, and my home is 11 miles north of SF in Marin county (San Rafael) which is also home to 'Skywalker ranch'. My house is 2 miles from the gates of his country palace.... I believe they choose to build Starfleet in SF/Marin Co. because of politics. SF is the most liberal, anything goes, accept ALL cutures, races, greed..etc..in a very beutiful city and especially because its built with the view of Golden Gate Bridge in full view of every shot of the academy. They do this because the GGB is the most beuatiful awe imspiring enginering marvel!...Starfleet is perfectly placed!.

Thanx for the info Daniel and Sea!...I kinda like that idea, although I sure would like to see the next TV production show set in the 25th or 26th century. Eneterprise I or J :D

^5 to DS9, that was my very favorite sci-fi show before SG!. I have all the seasons on DVD and watch seasons 6&7 regulary. Best episode ever for DS9. the one where Sisko has to bring the Romulans into the war against the Dominion. So Sisko has one there ambassadors blown up while framing the Dominion. It worked!

Seastallion
April 30th, 2005, 11:00 AM
Actually, I used to live in San Fran... sort of. (actually I think it was San Jose) My dad was stationed on the U.S.S. Enterprise, which was based out of Alamida (I can't remember how to spell it.. :p ). I actually got to go on a cruise, aboard the Enterprise... :D We went out into the bay, past Alcatraz, and under the GGB, out into the Pacific...! Then turned around and came back... :p I was like, 7 years old at the time. :rolleyes: My family took a motor boat into the Bay to watch an Air Show (from off an Aircraft Carrier), once too. At the end of the day my vision was bumping up and down like we were still on the boat.. :p LOL I only lived there for 6 months though, then I moved back with my mom who was living in NC by then. I also got to visit San Diego; we went to the zoo... very fun! I still remember all of that real well.. :) I also remember that crazy highway 'figure 8,8,8,8,8' thing... :p *shakes dizzy-ness off...* I have mostly good memories of my time there... :)

My favorite eps. of DS9 (well...most sentimentally connected too), is "The Visitor". I cried the first time I saw it. (I still choke up a little) But... to be fair, when I first saw it, I was having a really bad time in my life. So I was sort of prone to it more than normal. That was a great episode.

:eek:

emily_reich
April 30th, 2005, 11:55 AM
^ooh! i agree :) the visitor is amazing, and it's definately my favorite ep as well :)

as for a movie, after last night's ep, i say they should make a mirror universe movie :D hehe "empress sato" hehe... brilliant! :D

Darth Buddha
April 30th, 2005, 11:58 AM
I think Berman is kidding himself if he thinks Paramount is going to pony up the money for a prequel movie with a new crew. More than likely I think they will just pay for the script as they have been contracted to do... and let his contract as the grand Trek-meister expire.

Berman and Braga really screwed "Enterprise" up for three seasons, and season 4 just came to late to save it: the lead up to the Romulan War should have been the story arc for "Enterprise", not some Star Trek film with folks we've never seen before.

Dr Tim
May 3rd, 2005, 12:57 AM
A movie on the Romulan war could prove intresting.

Giantevilhead
May 3rd, 2005, 01:35 AM
They need to do a DS9 movie. The Dominion is still a huge threat. They still don't have a way to detect Changelings and for all we know the 5 Changelings from "Paradise Lost" are still on earth. Plus the Founders are going to be super pissed when they find out that the Federation engineered the plague.

the Fifth Race
May 5th, 2005, 08:42 AM
They need to do a DS9 movie. The Dominion is still a huge threat. They still don't have a way to detect Changelings and for all we know the 5 Changelings from "Paradise Lost" are still on earth. Plus the Founders are going to be super pissed when they find out that the Federation engineered the plague.


Big bump.....DS9 and the whole Dominion war with the changlings was the best!....I can see a movie being done with the Dominion as an allie to StarFleet against rebel Dominion soldiers. Or a revamped Breen invasion force being built.

I still ideally would love to see a 26th or even 27th century Starfleet with the Borg, Romulans, Dominion, Xindi all as StarFleet members. That way they would have to come up with new super evil and powerful enemy... :cool: :eek:

Darth Buddha
May 5th, 2005, 09:36 AM
I'd like to see something OTHER than a "new enemy". Star Trek has had threats other than enemy races. Sometimes a disease, sometimes political problems within the Federation, sometimes rogue astronomical bodies (comets, stellar fragmens, whatever), sometimes it is just the nuances of first contact. An "enemy" is too much like every other science fiction format out there.

I've already suggested a "post apocalpytic Federation" that is struggling to get back on it's feet.. which would allow a mix of characters from TNG, DS9, and VOY if needed.. but even that seems a bit stale.

Surely there have to be soem other possibilities out there? A new "super evil" enemy for a show like Stargate, which very rarely does purely exploration, first contact, or other interesting science fiction ideas may be requisite, but I think Trek can manage to do something a little different?

the Fifth Race
May 6th, 2005, 10:52 AM
Thats another great idea for a movie Darth....The Federation and the surrounding galaxies in shambles needing to rebuilt after some great conflict with a mysterious adversary. Push it into the future some so we see more advanced technology and Starships.

DownFallAngel
May 6th, 2005, 11:07 AM
His idea is Andromeda.....that's why it would never work.

Andromeda = Enterprise-X
CommonWealth = Federation
Neequiancs = Romulans
Red Demon Thingy(Abbys) = Borg
Rev's Race = Dominion's Jem Ha'Dar

Trekkers, Gaters, Scapers, we would all see to many parrallels. It just wouldn't work, IMO. Sorry Darth.

Maybe instead of the Federation falling, Earth fell. And now we have no HQ, we now have to rise from the ashes. Something like that could work, maybe. But who knows...not I.

Darth Buddha
May 6th, 2005, 11:37 AM
His idea is Andromeda.....that's why it would never work....

Trekkers, Gaters, Scapers, we would all see to many parrallels. It just wouldn't work, IMO. Sorry Darth.

Maybe instead of the Federation falling, Earth fell. And now we have no HQ, we now have to rise from the ashes. Something like that could work, maybe. But who knows...not I.
Which is why I said it was stale!

However, remember that DS9 ALSO borrowed a good bit from another show:

DS9 = BAB5 Space station in key sector of space where many empires meet
Vorlons = Prophets Supernatural beings guiding a people
Shadows = Pagh Wraiths Evil Supernatural folks
Sinclair = Sisko Commander who becomes a religious icon to a race
Shadow War = Dominion War Sector/Galaxy wide war
Ivanova = Kira Fiesty first officer
Franklin = Bashir Smart and handsome doctor
Garibaldi = Odo Haunted and paranoid security officer
White Star = Defiant Smaller than other warships but packs a big punch
Narn = Bajorans Spiritual People who suffered an occupation
Centauri = Cardassians Imperial former occupiers who becomie puppets for a greater evil, and are left in ruins
Drahk = Founders Insidious enemy

I've even pointed out in so many words that the Andromeda premise would probably have made better "Trek" than anything else in other threads.

But given the parallels between DS9 and BAB5, both of which did well, I'm not sure it couldn't be done.

DownFallAngel
May 6th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Which is why I said it was stale!

However, remember that DS9 ALSO borrowed a good bit from another show:

DS9 = BAB5 Space station in key sector of space where many empires meet
Vorlons = Prophets Supernatural beings guiding a people
Shadows = Pagh Wraiths Evil Supernatural folks
Sinclair = Sisko Commander who becomes a religious icon to a race
Shadow War = Dominion War Sector/Galaxy wide war
Ivanova = Kira Fiesty first officer
Franklin = Bashir Smart and handsome doctor
Garibaldi = Odo Haunted and paranoid security officer
White Star = Defiant Smaller than other warships but packs a big punch
Narn = Bajorans Spiritual People who suffered an occupation
Centauri = Cardassians Imperial former occupiers who becomie puppets for a greater evil, and are left in ruins
Drahk = Founders Insidious enemy

I've even pointed out in so many words that the Andromeda premise would probably have made better "Trek" than anything else in other threads.

But given the parallels between DS9 and BAB5, both of which did well, I'm not sure it couldn't be done.

Oh my, let's bring up a topic that has been beaten to death! God. Jump off that ship. It's not like they were that close. They were completely different IMO. The reason those two worked is because it was coming from two different creators. Andromeda and ST are both painted in the Gene Roddenburry universe, or one of his many alternate universes. It just wouldn't work. Not with the Writing staff for ST, they would just pack on all the Andromeda ideas, use some ST lingo and bam, ship it out as a movie. It just wouldn't work, IMO.

Darth Buddha
May 6th, 2005, 01:08 PM
Oh my, let's bring up a topic that has been beaten to death! God. Jump off that ship. It's not like they were that close. They were completely different IMO. The reason those two worked is because it was coming from two different creators.
Quite right! I'm arguing that despite a lot of surface similarities, both shows were unique. Just goes to show that the shows can be similar in premise but have entirely different execution. I enjoyed Babylon 5, and I enjoyed Deep Spade Nine. Never had a problem with them being too similar, despite all the parallels.


Andromeda and ST are both painted in the Gene Roddenburry universe, or one of his many alternate universes. It just wouldn't work. Not with the Writing staff for ST, they would just pack on all the Andromeda ideas, use some ST lingo and bam, ship it out as a movie. It just wouldn't work, IMO.
For a movie, you are probably right.... though you could still make it different in execution. The characters would certainly be different!

Moreover, Andromeda strayed a great deal from the original script by Gene Roddenberry. The whole thing was based on a story about Dylan Hunt who had been FROZEN for how ever many years, as played by Alex Cord. Mariette Hartley played a cute but double naveled evil master race. This was set on a post apocalyptic earth, with transportation by superfast subways that moved through laser drilled tubes in the earth's crust. Check it out on IMDB: http://imdb.com/title/tt0070101/ It was really prety bad.

I suspect this would work better for a TV series than a movie, though. I also suspect that a Trek version could be VERY different... especially if you could have it run by Manny Coto as opposed to the evil Bermaga. Too bad Ron Moore was chased out of Trek by Bermaga... his treatment of BSG tells me he could have done an excellent job with such a concept, much as he did with latter years of DS9.

grendelsbayne
May 6th, 2005, 01:32 PM
(Each planet has its own defence force/police, besides Starfleet)

That's not true, I don't think. Each planet's defence forces are absorbed into Starfleet when it joins the Federation.

We've never seen any Federation troops out of Starfleet uniforms, not even on Earth or Vulcan, which, if that were true, should have the most advanced defenses being the oldest members.

Also, I recall several mentions on DS9 speaking of the logistics that would be involved in Absorbing the Bajoran militia into Starfleet after the membership treaty was signed.

As for the movie, though, it should've followed Garak and the rebuilding of Cardassia, IMO. DS9 itself wouldn't lend well to movies, but DS9 character spinoffs like him would be fantastic.

Darth Buddha
May 6th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Actually, in TNG "Gambit", they did have a separate Vulcan intelligence.

grendelsbayne
May 6th, 2005, 10:30 PM
Actually, in TNG "Gambit", they did have a separate Vulcan intelligence.

That was Vulcan security forces - police - not a military...

the Fifth Race
May 7th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Quite right! I'm arguing that despite a lot of surface similarities, both shows were unique. Just goes to show that the shows can be similar in premise but have entirely different execution. I enjoyed Babylon 5, and I enjoyed Deep Spade Nine. Never had a problem with them being too similar, despite all the parallels.


I think if you look hard enough (and sometimes its glaringly obvious!) that there are parallels with most scifi shows. They all rip-off each others ideas and concepts, heck all the Star Trek shows (Original/TNG/DS9/Voyager/Enterprise) steal each others ideas for episode concepts regulary. I have watched Farscape episodes and recognize a theme or idea for an paticular episode that I had seen on DS9. Every single sci fi genre tv show uses the old time travel idea (whether it's going forward or backward into the future). You see alot of ST in Andromeda, you see alot of SG ideas for episodes that have already been done in one form or another in ST. I think it keeps the shows familiar and stale all at the sametime.

Flyboy
May 7th, 2005, 08:52 AM
Frankly, I hope to God that they don't do Romulan Wars. I always got bored of those idiots... And i hope its not the bloody Enterprise team as well, they bore the hell out of me. Would it be so bad to see some DS9/Voyager action? Come on, they really do kick ass.

Critter
May 7th, 2005, 09:42 AM
I sure do hope there's a movie in the making. I am a sucker for ANYTHING Star Trek :o ...even something as bad as Enterprise---watched every stinkin' episode hoping for something funny!!!!! :p

Jolinar of Malkshur
May 18th, 2005, 06:41 AM
I really hope that there will be a movie involving the Deep Space Nine cast and premise. There are so many wonderful ideas for Deep Space Nine and the many wonderful books haven't even scratched the surface! Although it would be a great idea as well to work with the books, maybe a movie that spins a new story based on a book.

And of course there we have the aftereffects of the Dominion Wars and the rebuilding of Cardassia, both with an excellent, established universe and great actors. They have so much material to work with, they would just have to start filming. It would be a true waste if they wouldn't make good use of Deep Space Nine.

I'm very worried though that they'll try to milk Enterprise for more money and use that crew for a movie.

The Romulan War would be interesting, though I do have to admit that I feel a bit queasy about anything related to Romulans after the Nemesis fiasco.

But there are so many other plots which could be used, Star Trek is after all such a huge universe and we have seen so little of it. A Star Trek movie in completely different surroundings would also be a good way to test if the fans are willing to accept a different concept, with the next spin-off in mind.

For one thing, there is that Academy-based show that so many people have been talking about. I think it could work for a movie, too.

I don't know if a Klingon ship would work for a movie, since they probably wouldn't be brave enough to deviate from the usual "human crew" and "space ship" routines at the same time when there's so much money at stake.

Then there are other loose ends to be tied up, both those that were a big issue and those only mentioned in passing, like for example that attempt from the genetically engineered people on earth to seize control (I don't remember the episode, but it's in one of these episodes that dealt with Dr Bashir genetic improvements).

Such a post-apocalyptic Star Trek movie could be intriguing and if it's done right, I don't think it would be too similar to Andromeda. It also could be apocalyptic on a smaller scale.
Who says that people would even want the Federation back and that there would necessarily be a star ship crew? Maybe the Federation has become the enemy of it's own people and our heroes have to fight the corrupt remains of the Federation.
Maybe they are aliens who struggle to survive on a newly xenophobic earth or humans on some planet that has paid the price for the Dominion War by being almost totally dstroyed and the people there want revenge on the Federation. Then we wouldn't need the great new enemy, either, since our heroes would have to first struggle with their own demons.

As something similar, we could be dealing with Section 31 or like-minded people. I think now that the Dominion War is over, the Cardassians are "neutered" for the time being and the Romulans allies, the inner threats of the Federation are the most dangerous ones. Maybe the Section 31 members and their supporters have used the chaos at the end of the Dominion War to gain great power. It would also be a complete change from the star ship routine to see both Federation intelligence special ops members and diplomats, maybe with some Starfleet added into the mix, struggle to return the Federation into the hands on those who honour it's spirit and values.
We did see, after all, both in Deep Space Nine and "Insurrection" that the Federation isn't truly the perfect little democratic world that it's made out to be.

There is also that uprising of the newly dis-Collective'd Borg in the Delta Quadrant, see Voyager. For a while, I had hoped that the new Star Trek series would just maybe be dealing with these Borg. It would be something completely different and unrelated to all other shows and movies, so we wouldn't have to deal with continuity problems.

Then we have the Temporal Starfleet officers, also from Voyager. For those people who want to make a great leap into the future, how about we revisit the time ship U.S.S. Relativity from Voyager or one of it's friends? We would have completely new and exciting adventures, new villains, new threats, new allies and maybe the Temporal Cold War from Enterprise could finally be used in a suitable way as well, because I rather liked the premise. If it wouldn't have been stuffed into a show that it was completely disconnected from, it could have made a good plot.

There is also completely different stuff that could be used. We have seen so much Starfleet and visited many worlds, but we still don't know a lot about the life of civilians in Star Trek. That's one of the things why I love Atlantis so much, because it's a civilian expedition with civilian leadership. Sure, there are soldiers in Atlantis, but not everyone is the perfect little soldier and this causes very interesting friction between the scientists/diplomats/administrators on one side and the soldiers on the other. There are so many civilian plots that the writers wouldn't even have to worry that they're going to resemble Atlantis too much, simply because barely anyone has ever made a science-fiction movie that isn't military or star ship crew.
If anyone can pull off a science plot with good character development, excitement and intrigue rather than the big battle against the great villain and still make it a big success, then certainly that would be Star Trek. It would also be a nice return to the roots of Star Trek movies, which weren't half as much about battle in their core as the newer ones.

the Fifth Race
May 18th, 2005, 09:03 AM
I agree Jolinar! (great post by the way!)....DS9 was the deepest of all the Star Trek Genre's and probably one of the deepest of all the scifi series (Farscape and Babylon 5 being equally as deep). I still want a glimpse of Starfleet and Star trek in general in the 26th+ century. A very futuristic look like they gave us a glimpse of in Enterprise during the Xindi conflict when Archway was taken into the future to see Xindi actually in Starfleet serving on a 26th century Enterprise.