Stargate In Solar System.

[NotAllowedToNameAnything.Ever.]

Please forgive me but this contains parts of deffrent threads.

Stargates work on the prenciple that you need six points and a point of depature. And of course an eight to destingiush galaxy. (Galactic area code.) But wouldn't say mars have the same gate address as earth since on a galactic scale they would have simular night skys. If two civilations where develop on two deffrient planets (like in the tollan home system) would they use one stargate (possably explaing why some are in space.) or would they have seperate star gates and an extra cheveron is required (Sort of an extension number.)

[_Owen_]

No there can be more than one stargate in a solar system. First lets go to stargate basics, six points are required to specify a position in space, however these six points must be large enough to encompas the entire orbit of a planet. Think of it like this, if you used points is space 3cm in length specify the position, the position would contain the total area of 3cm^3, if you use points that are 2million meters in length the spot were they intersect will be 2 million mteres ^3. The points the the stargates use to specify planets will vary in size, depending on how large the orbit of the planet is. Ok now we go to how there could be more than one stargate on a planet. When the stargate dials it will search the outermost area of the specified point in space for a gate, the area that it searches will be only the maximum diameter of the planet. If the gate is buuried it won't activate, you wouldn't want to go there anyways, if the planet has drifted out of its orbit and is closer to the sun, you wouldn't want to go there because the decaying orbit of the planet would take it straight into the sun. If the planet has drifted out of its orbit, farther away from the sun, bad things have probably happend.

If there is a stargate on a planet farther from the sun, then it will not be found because the gate will not search out that far, and if there is a gate on a planet closer to the sun, it will not be recognized because the gate will not search in that far.

Also the 8th chevron is not a galactic area code, it is a distance calculation to send the wormhole farther than normal.

Hope I could help.

Owen Macri

[morjana]

Please forgive me but this contains parts of deffrent threads.

Stargates work on the prenciple that you need six points and a point of depature. And of course an eight to destingiush galaxy. (Galactic area code.) But wouldn't say mars have the same gate address as earth since on a galactic scale they would have simular night skys. If two civilations where develop on two deffrient planets (like in the tollan home system) would they use one stargate (possably explaing why some are in space.) or would they have seperate star gates and an extra cheveron is required (Sort of an extension number.)

We've already seen in "Maternal Instinct" for example, that there can be more than one planet in a solar system with a Stargate. The planets of the Lac'na'ko. And they had all separate addresses.

That would indicate that there must a modification to the PoO for each planet that identifies it to that planet.

So you wouldn't need an extra chevron for multiple stargates within a solar system -- you only need to know the correct address.

Courtesy of Jackfic (thank you, Arnise!):



Morjana

[_Owen_]

The point of origin would be completly diffrent because it would be identifying either a larger or smaller area, please see my previous post in this thread.

Owen Macri

[Jarnin]

We've already seen in "Maternal Instinct" for example, that there can be more than one planet in a solar system with a Stargate. The planets of the Lac'na'ko. And they had all separate addresses.

That would indicate that there must a modification to the PoO for each planet that identifies it to that planet.

So you wouldn't need an extra chevron for multiple stargates within a solar system -- you only need to know the correct address.

Courtesy of Jackfic (thank you, Arnise!):



Morjana

Those screens from the show don't mean anything. Notice that the Abydos Point of Origin is used as the second symbol in one of those addresses? So how do you dial the Abydos point of origin in the first 6 symbols if you're not on Abydos? You can't.

I have about 15 screen caps of addresses just like that; they're just randomly generated eye candy for the viewers.
In some they used symbols twice, which we've never seen used in the show, and in others they use points of origin in the first 6 symbols which doesn't seem possible, since points of origin are supposed to be planet specific.

Personally, I don't think that there can be more than one gate in a star system. We've never seen it in either series, so any arguement to the contrary is speculation.

[Esquin]

Ok here we go Stargate wormhole address 101. A Stargate address requires 6 points in space to operate, these 6 points create 3 intersecting lines, at the center of these lines lays the center of the solar system in question. Now you add a point of origin you have a 7 symbol stargate address.

Ok there are the basics now each solar system can contain only one stargate, this is for several reasons the main 1 being it is impossable to distinguish between 2 gates in the same system. When this occurs thewormhole is directed to the gate with a DHD or the most used gate, in that order. Remeber that a planet moves over an area of roughly 2 AU's over the course of a year (1 AU equals the distance from Earth to the sun). So the stargate must be able to acomadate for this, obviously then the only way left to make two gates in the same system unique from each other would be to make the point of origins unique to each gate rather then each location in space. However because we know that Stargates are interchangable this cannot be the case.

The planets of the Lacnakor were also a in a sector not a system, a sector being a group of systems reletivly close together.

[_Owen_]

No there can be more than one stargate in a solar system. First lets go to stargate basics, six points are required to specify a position in space, however these six points must be large enough to encompas the entire orbit of a planet. Think of it like this, if you used points is space 3cm in length specify the position, the position would contain the total area of 3cm^3, if you use points that are 2million meters in length the spot were they intersect will be 2 million mteres ^3. The points the the stargates use to specify planets will vary in size, depending on how large the orbit of the planet is. Ok now we go to how there could be more than one stargate on a planet. When the stargate dials it will search the outermost area of the specified point in space for a gate, the area that it searches will be only the maximum diameter of the planet. If the gate is buuried it won't activate, you wouldn't want to go there anyways, if the planet has drifted out of its orbit and is closer to the sun, you wouldn't want to go there because the decaying orbit of the planet would take it straight into the sun. If the planet has drifted out of its orbit, farther away from the sun, bad things have probably happend.

If there is a stargate on a planet farther from the sun, then it will not be found because the gate will not search out that far, and if there is a gate on a planet closer to the sun, it will not be recognized because the gate will not search in that far.

Also the 8th chevron is not a galactic area code, it is a distance calculation to send the wormhole farther than normal.

Hope I could help.

Owen Macri

Please read my post that I have quuoted above, it is not impossible to have two gates in one system.

Owen Macri

[Esquin]

As I said your wrong in several matters. The wormhole is sent to the solar system not a speccific planet, once it reaches the solar system it latches onto the default stargate in that system be it on the inner most or outta most planet. It could not possably lock onto the planets co-ordinates because they would be constantly changing making it rather inefficiant. As you have said the 3 intersecting lines must encompass the entire orbit of the planet however there is no way to determine a orbit without including all the space within the orbit, this effectivly means that no other gates could operate inside the orbit of a planet using a different address.

I've read your post and while you have the basics right you are wrong in thinking that more then 1 stargate can operate in a system with different addresses. The main thing to remember is that size is a factor, when dealing with galactic scales we cannot be specific on more then a solar system level, there is no way that the stargate network could specify a planet in a solar system and we have proven that it doesn't even try by being able to activate stargates in space almost anywhere within a solar system.

[Schrodinger's Cat]

As I said your wrong in several matters. The wormhole is sent to the solar system not a speccific planet, once it reaches the solar system it latches onto the default stargate in that system be it on the inner most or outta most planet. It could not possably lock onto the planets co-ordinates because they would be constantly changing making it rather inefficiant. As you have said the 3 intersecting lines must encompass the entire orbit of the planet however there is no way to determine a orbit without including all the space within the orbit, this effectivly means that no other gates could operate inside the orbit of a planet using a different address.

I've read your post and while you have the basics right you are wrong in thinking that more then 1 stargate can operate in a system with different addresses. The main thing to remember is that size is a factor, when dealing with galactic scales we cannot be specific on more then a solar system level, there is no way that the stargate network could specify a planet in a solar system and we have proven that it doesn't even try by being able to activate stargates in space almost anywhere within a solar system.

Why do you think that the DHD's constantly talk to each other? In this case, Stellar drift calculation just means POO re-calculation.

Klorel's ship was in orbit around Earth at the time that his stargate was used.

[Jarnin]

As I said your wrong in several matters. The wormhole is sent to the solar system not a speccific planet, once it reaches the solar system it latches onto the default stargate in that system be it on the inner most or outta most planet. It could not possably lock onto the planets co-ordinates because they would be constantly changing making it rather inefficiant. As you have said the 3 intersecting lines must encompass the entire orbit of the planet however there is no way to determine a orbit without including all the space within the orbit, this effectivly means that no other gates could operate inside the orbit of a planet using a different address.

Another thing to note is that not all stars in the galaxy capable of supporting Earthlike planets are required to be exactly like our sun.
If a star is more massive than our sun, the Earth-like planet will be farther out, in some cases, possibly further out than Mars is in our system. In other cases with less massive stars, like red dwarfs, the planet might be so close to it's parent star that it's tidally locked to it, which means it's day is the same duration as it's year. In this case the habital zone would be on the terminator lines on the planet, which would be in a constant haze of almost day and almost night.

We've also seen plenty of episodes that show planets with multiple suns, simply because binary stars are much more frequently found in our galaxy, and triple systems are fairly common as well.
A perfect example is Alpha Centauri; the A Centauri Alpha and Beta stars orbit each other as close as 11 AU, which is about the distance from the sun to Saturn.

I've read your post and while you have the basics right you are wrong in thinking that more then 1 stargate can operate in a system with different addresses. The main thing to remember is that size is a factor, when dealing with galactic scales we cannot be specific on more then a solar system level, there is no way that the stargate network could specify a planet in a solar system and we have proven that it doesn't even try by being able to activate stargates in space almost anywhere within a solar system.

Exactly. How do you distinguish between orbits so close with a coordinate system that can only be defined by 38 increments, which also has to be able to span across 100,000 light years?

A question I rarely see being brought up is "What are they locking on to?". The symbols are supposed to represent constellations, but the constellations we can see in the night sky are all within 10,000 light years from Earth. That would mean that all the stargates in the galaxy would have to exist within 10,000 light years of Earth, but we know that isn't the case.

Personally, I think those symbols on the Stargates are just the ancients way of counting to 38, with the Point of Origin representing zero. The ancient people of Egpyt would have viewed those symbols as magical, and thus connecting the "gods" that used the Stargate with the stars, creating what we call constellations.

Why do you think that the DHD's constantly talk to each other?

Yes. It's called a "Automatic correlative update". They were originally thought to happen every few hundred years, but that hypothesis turned out to be incorrect. [Avenger 2.0]

In this case, Stellar drift calculation just means POO re-calculation.

The point of origin isn't an address. It doesn't require a re-caliculation, the address does. The symbols that supposedly "lock on" to whatever is what the DHD is re-calculating, since they're the reference point to find your destination in the first place.

Klorel's ship was in orbit around Earth at the time that his stargate was used.

Yes, and it was connected to a DHD, which was used to dial another planet in another system so Daniel could escape the Ha'tak exploding. This is not a problem.

[_Owen_]

I'm sorry I should have been more specific. The stargate uses six points to determine a single point, by definiton a point has no area, so you would also include the information to say, this point expands out 300 meters, however big you need them to encompas only the orbit of the planet, when the three lines intersected. The orbit of the planet would be the distance that the outermost point of the planet travels around the sun. The information would also include exactly how far from the orbit the planet extends. So technically the points do encompass the entire orbit of the planet, but the stargate only scans the outermost area that is specified in the information stored in the coorelative update, for a non-active gate. If there is a gate on a planet that is farther out than another gate on another planet the sending gate will not scan far enough in to detect the other stargate and if vice versa if there is a stargate closer into the sun.

So yes you can have more than one gate in a solar system.

Owen Maci

[Esquin]

Owen Macri you are in fact wrong about that. There is no way for the information your talking about to be included in the gate address. The 6 sybmbols represent 6 points in space forming 3 intersecting lines. This address is essentially unique to a system and encompasses the whole system. It is theorised that the gate only goes out a certain distance in search of a stargate but the distance is the same always the same and cannot be determined by the address.

You need to understand that there is noevidence to base your information on, infact all evidence says that you are wrong, only 1 gate can be active in a system at once as gate addreses are designated for systems not specific gates of sections of systems as it would simply be immpossable to do something like this.

[Schrodinger's Cat]

There are 6P6, or 720, possible permutations for each of the 38C6, or 2760681, symbol combinations.

38C6 * 6P6 = 38P6 = 1987690320 = # of possible stargate addresses in this galaxy.

Also, what about the Lok'no system?

[_Owen_]

You don't enter the information with the gate adress, it is included in the information about the location of the planet that is included with the corelative update.

This is the only way that the stargate could work (having information to say how large that points will expand to). By definiton a point has no area and no volume, yet it is a proven fact that the stargate uses six points in space to determine the location of a stargate. The only way to do this is include the information that says, this point, intersects with this point etc., and say this point expands out in a spherical shape with a radius of this large, it extends out in this direction this drection this direction, etc. This would be the only way to identify an area of space such as a solar system, with six point. Yes theoretically these points could encompass the entire system, however then the gate would have to scan a much larger area for a stargate, to shorten the information to encompass only the orbit of a planet, and then also to include how far away from the orbit the planet extends would not be harder, infact the only extra piece of data that would be included is how far from the orbit a the planet extends, then it would be a smaller area to search and it would you would also be able to have more than one gate in a system.

Both of our points are saying the same thing, the basics are that there is only one way to determine the location of a gate, I included this in my post, contrary to whatever you may think this is the only way the gate could connect with another gate (no offence). What we are arguning about is if there can be more than one gate in a system, basically based on the only plausible way of determining the location of a volume in space using only six points, will allow for more than one gate in a system. So there can be more than one gate in a solar system.

Owen Macri

[spg_1983]

You need to understand that there is noevidence to base your information on, infact all evidence says that you are wrong, only 1 gate can be active in a system at once as gate addreses are designated for systems not specific gates of sections of systems as it would simply be immpossable to do something like this.

actually there is evidence. as someone already said, in "Maternal Instinct" it was stated that the planets in question were in the same system and each had a stargate. so it doesnt matter whether it seems illogical or you cant figure out how it would work, it was stated and shown explicitly in the show so it is canon that there can be more than one gate in a solar system.