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morjana
May 31st, 2004, 11:05 PM
From the GOPUSA website:

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/cmolin/2004/cdm_0601.shtml

(For the complete article, please follow the link. This is NOT an
official government site, but a private political web site.)

The Backlash Against the Left
By Carol Devine-Molin
June 1, 2004

There's a backlash underway in America and it's not unexpected. It's
in direct response to the overwhelming level of bile being spewed at
President George W.Bush and his administration by the arrogant Left-
wingers - and I'm specifically referencing the Democratic politicos,
the news media crowd, the New York/Hollywood elites and the halls of
academia. Bush-bashing is not limited to news programming and
university campuses. It's now cropping up in the popular culture of
America as well - I'll get to that later. More importantly, a little
more than half of the American populace has dug in its heels and made
clear that it refuses to eat the garbage that the so-called "liberal
intelligencia" is attempting to force-feed it.

**snippity doo dah**

In any event, a few months back I watched the season finale
of "Stargate SG 1", and I noticed the use of some liberal anti-Bush
buzz words - The character Jack O'Neill said he would never vote for
those "two shrubs" now in the White House, which was followed-up by a
creepy remark about the presidential election in Florida. Moreover,
the newly elected vice-president was portrayed as an incredibly evil
man with his own agenda, aligning himself with a rogue faction of a
super-secret intelligence organization that was bent on
selling "alien" devices for big bucks in tandem with major
corporations. (Please, this is SciFi screwball stuff, so here "alien"
is from another planet, not another country).

It was apparently a veiled reference, albeit from the typical liberal
viewpoint, to Vice-President Cheney as an unethical man who was
selling out his nation for contracts with big-business (Halliburton).
Yeah, yeah they'll say I'm reading things into the episode that
weren't there, but given the overall context of the dialog, I think
my impressions are right on target. Frankly, I resent these types of
manipulations, which clearly should not have been incorporated into a
popular TV series during an election year. But again, these liberal
activists in the entertainment field think that it's their right to
engage in improprieties when they're taking potshots at
conservatives. It's certainly a producer's right to voice their
creative expression. Likewise, it's the prerogative of conservatives
to actively reject programming that is hostile to our national
leaders. Most of the nation understands that Vice-President Cheney is
doing a fine job, but it's very unfortunate that Cheney has become a
punching bag for the Left.

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Note -- The opinions expressed in this column are those of the author
and do not necessarily reflect the opinions, views, and/or philosophy
of GOPUSA.


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Morjana

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Sicarius
June 1st, 2004, 12:02 AM
Lol.

You'd sure as heck be laughed out of Academia for referencing "SciFi screwball stuff" in a serious essay, but I guess the political sphere is more forgiving ::snort::

PS. I wonder if she knows most of the people who work on the show are Canadian? :D

Bagpuss
June 1st, 2004, 12:03 AM
Just an opinion,IMO! Valid views and comparisons with RL for some readers,BS for others................ ;)

At least the author seems to have actually watched some Stargate SG-1! :)

Maybe other Posters will view her POV more critically.

Bagpuss
June 1st, 2004, 12:04 AM
Lol.

You'd sure as heck be laughed out of Academia for referencing "SciFi screwball stuff" in a serious essay, but I guess the political sphere is more forgiving ::snort::

PS. I wonder if she knows most of the people who work on the show are Canadian? :D

Good points ! ;)

SaharaGate
June 1st, 2004, 02:37 AM
As Jafana was saying to me earlier today...

Kinsey has been evil since before Bush was even running for election.

Him being vice president was a natural evolution of his long-running aspiration to President.

So, in my opinion, it was just a coincidence.

But different people see things different ways.

Ugly Pig
June 1st, 2004, 02:56 AM
Jeez, how is Kinsey based on Cheney? He's been a (evil) character on the show for seven years already. :rolleyes:

ShadowMaat
June 1st, 2004, 03:36 AM
Well, I've always thought there was too much political BS of any stripe on Stargate, anyway.

I'm sure the press coverage will end up doing the show more good than harm. "Even bad press is good press." *rolls eyes*

shinyredpants
June 1st, 2004, 05:09 AM
*dies in laughter*

oh man...that's just silly. people take things too seriously. people take stargate too seriously...i mean, its a television show!

I think they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel to find stuff to whine about...go whine about the west wing or something...not stargate..


geez...

of course it might be a bit of publicity for stargate...but gah...

petzke_42
June 1st, 2004, 10:11 AM
As Jafana was saying to me earlier today...

Kinsey has been evil since before Bush was even running for election.

Him being vice president was a natural evolution of his long-running aspiration to President.

So, in my opinion, it was just a coincidence.

But different people see things different ways.

Yeah...this was a natural progression of Kinsey's evil, as well as his position, that has been going on for a LONNNNGGGG time. I wonder what the writers have to say about that comment?

Who is that guy? I'm not going to vote for him...I don't want someone making decisions based upon assumptions while only knowing hardly any of the information. :D

Ugly Pig
June 1st, 2004, 11:43 AM
And of course, the writer failed to mention that the President (who would have to belong to the same political party as Kinsey) in the same episode was portrayed as an honest good guy.

SGSlugger
June 1st, 2004, 12:01 PM
That's one thing I dislike about people -- they see one thing and think of another. I bet the author probably hasn't watched any episode other than season 7's, because he/she would probably be logical enough to realize that this was part of his character's evolution (an presumably something that was bound to happen eventually).

Darren
June 1st, 2004, 03:11 PM
This is really ridiculous. I'm having a hard time taking it seriously.

Besides, Kinsey's behavior in "Inauguration" and "Lost City" is a natural progression from his introduction in Season One's "Politics."

Shipperahoy
June 1st, 2004, 04:22 PM
So now Stargate SG-1 is part of the great left-wing conspiracy? Yeesh. It never fails to amaze me the things that people see. The shrubs comment I did pick up on but I thought it was funny. Of course I'm not a Republican so that may explain that. :D

keshou
June 1st, 2004, 04:44 PM
I thought the "shrubs" comment *was* a jab at Bush and wondered at the time if it was an RDA adlib. Maybe we'll find out when the DVD commentary is released. Didn't think it was any big deal, although I'd prefer they keep the political stuff to a minimum.

As I recall there was a comment in a much earlier season where Jack said he (paraphrasing) "had a few things he'd like to discuss with the President". RDA delivered the line with kind of a smirk and my mind immediately went to Clinton as it was in the midst of all his little scandals.

The other stuff, about Kinsey, etc. is just plain silly.

Why anyone has to reach to make these connections is beyond me. There's enough political stuff in the entertainment industry to make fun of rather than pick on Stargate. :D

Anthro Girl
June 1st, 2004, 06:41 PM
WARNING: Possible SPOILERS AHEAD for Season 7 Finale, Season 8, and my own personal political beliefs. Proceed with caution... :D


From the GOPUSA website:

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/cmolin/2004/cdm_0601.shtml

(For the complete article, please follow the link. This is NOT an
official government site, but a private political web site.)

The Backlash Against the Left
By Carol Devine-Molin
June 1, 2004

... In any event, a few months back I watched the season finale of "Stargate SG 1"...

Actually, Ms. Devine-Molin, you must have been watching the first part of the season finale. Snit-picky, I realize, but SciFi Channel is currently re-running the season and you wouldn't want thousands of your readers tuning in to criticize the wrong episode. The final episode of the season features references to Uma Thurman's body, a fiery planet, evil aliens on power-trips and mysterious ancient healing technologies. Of course, you could just interpret this as sex, hell, false gods and miracles. Maybe you're saving that for another column?


The character Jack O'Neill said he would never vote for those "two shrubs" now in the White House, which was followed-up by a creepy remark about the presidential election in Florida.

To be fair, Jack O'Neill (a fictional character) never actually stated his vote. He simply wondered if anyone in the room knew anyone who voted for the (fictional) candidates. Again, I admit this may be snitpicky, but details are usually important in journalism. The fact that you connect the word "shrub" to the current real life US President and Vice President only proves that you are an aficionado of word play. As you know, the word bush is used to refer to some types of small, woody plants. The word shrub is also used to refer to small, woody plants. George H.W. Bush was the 41st President of the US. His son, George W. Bush is now the 43rd President of the US. "Shrub" is simply an affectionate and cute way of saying spawn. (Technically, a bush is a small, woody shrub, so the word play should actually be reversed.)

Additionally, the remark about the presidential election in Florida ("he delivered Florida all by himself") did not immediately follow the comment about shrubs. It was made by the (fictional) President. As you know, the US Presidential elections are handled by the Electoral College. Florida alone delivers 10% of the electoral votes needed to win a Presidential election. Only New York, Texas and California deliver more electoral votes; those four states together deliver over 50% of the votes needed to win. If you do the math on that one, any candidate who can "deliver Florida" is an important asset to any Presidential campaign, regardless of political affiliation. I fail to see how such a remark is, as you put it, "creepy". Unless, of course, you think there is something inherently "creepy" about Florida elections in general. Just a thought...


Moreover, the newly elected vice-president was portrayed as an incredibly evil man with his own agenda, aligning himself with a rogue faction of a super-secret intelligence organization that was bent on selling "alien" devices for big bucks in tandem with major corporations. ... It was apparently a veiled reference, albeit from the typical liberal viewpoint, to Vice-President Cheney as an unethical man who was selling out his nation for contracts with big-business (Halliburton).

Hey, you said that. No one who has followed Stargate SG-1 believes that the fictional Kinsey is based on the real life Vice President of the United States. He (Kinsey) is, in fact, one of the more popular cinematic cliches: the Evil Politician. He ranks right up there with Bumbling Scientist, the Sexy Alien and the Dumb Redneck. He's been evil since 1998 and no one has ever mistaken him for a sheep in wolf's clothing. Personally, I keep waiting for his head to start spinning and spewing green goo, but that's another story...


It's certainly a producer's right to voice their creative expression. Likewise, it's the prerogative of conservatives to actively reject programming that is hostile to our national leaders.

I fail to understand how calling anyone a "shrub" and stating a fact about the Electoral College (albeit within the context of fictional dialogue) could be considered to be, in your words, "hostile". Critical, maybe, but hostile? It's too bad that this means you might be skipping Season 8, where we're likely to see (***spoiler in here...highlight to read***) Earth ally itself with an enemy, a leader who may be ill-equipped to handle his responsibilities, an Evil Businessman (there's that cliche thing again) and maybe even a little sex! It's a great show and you really should tune in more often.

Believe me...if you're looking for political discourse, you don't have to go to science fiction to get it. There's plenty on the front page of any newspaper (which is generally not considered fiction).

Cheers,
mo

Ugly Pig
June 2nd, 2004, 01:25 AM
Great post. Why don't you send it to the author of the column? :)

Bagpuss
June 2nd, 2004, 01:39 AM
Sad to say,judging from the "Article",the author probably wouldn't even try to open her mind to ANY criticism of her sad, little, ignorant opinions!

IMO,best to express our opinions of the article here,and save the postage costs involved...............Ms C Devine-Molin can keep her rather flawed views!

Ignorance is best ignored,anyway! ;)

VixyOwl (~~Ani)
June 2nd, 2004, 06:44 AM
Well, I've always thought there was too much political BS of any stripe on Stargate, anyway.

I'm sure the press coverage will end up doing the show more good than harm. "Even bad press is good press." *rolls eyes*
See, I guess it's d**ned if you do, and if you don't.

I was disappointed the first time I saw "Politics", that Kinsey was so evil. I'd thought his stance was interesting and that the show could've explored the political ramifications of the Stargate program, especially regarding the secrecy, which (as many a thread here has witnessed) could lead to some intelligent debate.

And, of course, some silly debate (also as many a thread has witnessed...)

But, I digress...

The show *didn't* go that way, and I can live with that.

But the irony is, that for all these years, they've chosen to address mainly the "safer" political issues, like "don't lock your women in a yurt" and "don't steal from indigenous populations"--but they've pointedly shied away from partisan politics, by twisting the political issues into ones of personal character and keeping parties well out of the picture.

But they still catch flack. And not well-aimed flack at that.

(...Do yurts lock?)

Spaceminx
June 2nd, 2004, 09:48 AM
Dear God, as if Stargate was the only show to take a pot shot at the Bush administration. :rolleyes:

taupecat
June 2nd, 2004, 12:44 PM
I think Jack said it best once when he said, "Puh-leaze."

Bogopimp
June 2nd, 2004, 12:52 PM
maybe he should watch it all from series 1 as to kinseys position on the stargate :) they will work out he was super evil from even clinton :) clinton was cool ! :P

Matt G
June 2nd, 2004, 01:54 PM
ROFLs at right wing whinging

Gateman
June 2nd, 2004, 02:07 PM
SG-1 part of left wing conspiracy?? No wonder I like it so much. ;)

Anthro Girl
June 2nd, 2004, 03:50 PM
Great post. Why don't you send it to the author of the column? :)

If I thought it would do any good. Or, more importantly, if I thought she'd understand the humor. :D Ah, well maybe I'll save the postage and email it.

(Re-reading that I can tell I was in a worse mood after work that I'd originally thought! :eek:)

Capt. Rivet
June 2nd, 2004, 06:11 PM
It was apparently a veiled reference, albeit from the typical liberal
viewpoint, to Vice-President Cheney as an unethical man who was
selling out his nation for contracts with big-business (Halliburton).
Yeah, yeah they'll say I'm reading things into the episode that
weren't there, but given the overall context of the dialog, I think
my impressions are right on target. Frankly, I resent these types of
manipulations, which clearly should not have been incorporated into a
popular TV series during an election year. But again, these liberal
activists in the entertainment field think that it's their right to
engage in improprieties when they're taking potshots at
conservatives.



Last I heard, Being famous didn't require an individual to give up their right to freedom of speech...

Livi2Jack
June 2nd, 2004, 08:58 PM
Well, then, it is a good thing they didn't quote Jack telling Kinsey that Kinsey was "...a limp di..ked sob."

petzke_42
June 2nd, 2004, 11:25 PM
I don't remember that!? When did he say that??

Torley
June 2nd, 2004, 11:59 PM
All I know is I wanna see Kinsey, a fictional character, get his comeuppance :)

Would be cool to see the Asgard abduct him and him totally freak out.

Bagpuss
June 3rd, 2004, 12:44 AM
I don't remember that!? When did he say that??

Jack "said" that to Kinsey, during the bit in "Heroes" Pt1, when they faced-off in front of the cameras, at the SGC.

(The bit where all the sudden noise and confusion left us to lip read what they were saying to each other! ;) )

I've already posed the Q in the "20 q's for Jack"thread and that was the answer! LOL! Go watch the episode and see if you spot it! ;)

Still can't get the point of that article,btw!
She's onto a loser if she thinks her POV will change anything in RL Politics!

I mean,does she think Stargate SG-1 REALLY holds any sway in tilting Voter opinion?

*Imagines masses of Republican voters hiding out at "Safe Houses" so they can watch Stargate SG-1 if Bush wins again ! ;) * LOL!!

petzke_42
June 3rd, 2004, 10:45 AM
Haha...that is the coolest thing ever....Jack rules.

Otis
June 5th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Since this is such a "veiled" reference, we probably shouldn't be surprised when SG-1 shows up on the West Wing.

neith4
June 5th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Gasp shock horror politics in a Stargate forum ! :S

I think you shuld post a copy to the columnist :)

ps isnt rda a known democrat supporter?

Shipperahoy
June 5th, 2004, 08:47 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MORJANA!!!!!

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Elwe Singollo
June 5th, 2004, 10:28 PM
Happy B-day Morjana :)

Bagpuss
June 6th, 2004, 10:51 AM
:D "Many Happy Returns and Best Wishes", from me, too! :D

:D Hope you have a great day and a fab time,Morjana!! :D


If these wishes are too late,owing to the Time differences,please accept my apologies, and treat them as "Belated Birthday Wishes" instead. :D