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nukechuck
May 31st, 2004, 08:18 PM
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In the episode Frozen it came to my understanding that humans evolved twice on earth. In many of the theories on this board that I have read many have disregarded this conclusion. I myself have wondered why there wasn't any ruins of Ancient complexs or structures. But then I came up with my hypothesis. When the Ancients ascended they made a very strict rule to not accelerate the ascension process. In order to do this they would of had to wipe the face of the earth clean of everything of thiers or either move their stuff. Hence they made Atlantis a giant storage locker of the stars. Of course they decided to leave an outpost so that they could monitor the progress of their reevolved sucessors. I don't like the theories that say humans were transplanted to earth and find them unsettling. I hope Stargate Atlantis will go in the direction of my theory. Please do not put spoilers for season 8 or season 1 atlantis in your replies.

ShadowMaat
May 31st, 2004, 08:33 PM
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Can't articulate why, but I don't hold with your hypothesis. It's too... grand, or something. Too clean. Too convenient. I'm also not sure I understand your implications about Ascension. Why would it require the Ancients to wipe all trace of themselves from Earth?

I like uncomfortable theories. They force you to re-examine everything and even if, in the end, it turns out the theory was wrong, you've no doubt learned quite a bit along the way.

Besides, aren't there myths about how, when Atlantis "sank", the Atlanteans spread out among the people of Earth and helped them, raising them above their "primitive" ways, becoming a part of their various cultures and maybe even marrying and such forth? Or was that a fiction book I read? ;) That might be one explanation for those "rare genes": leftovers from our Ancient ancestors. ;)

nukechuck
May 31st, 2004, 09:27 PM
I'm also not sure I understand your implications about Ascension. Why would it require the Ancients to wipe all trace of themselves from Earth?


Well the Ancients would wipe out all traces of themselves for the same reason that they destoryed everyone on the planet that was in the episode Ascension. They want to see what they could have done differently in themselves through us. So to maximize this effect there could be no interaction or passing of technology. And just think a bunch of primitive ape men running aroud pushing buttons in an Ancient missle site. Its like giving a five year old a nuclear bomb that says "Push me". You just wouldn't do something like that thus the need to wipe all traces. I like to think that humans came from earth because it sticks with the shows current course alot better. It would just sound overly farfetched to me that highly evolved humans came to earth became primitave over many years and almost completely lost all their highly evolved genes then were taken from earth by parasitic aliens and transplanted all over the galaxy where of course there are no other primative humans already out their.

Mr Prophet
June 1st, 2004, 12:03 AM
So if you're scouring a planet of your technology, why leave the regeneration device which messes people's heads up in a hole in the ground in South America? Conversely, I believe that the Ancients vanished long before modern humans even evolved, so I don't think that they went out among the many races of the world, either.

Now, I do like to think that the human race developed on their own until the Goa'uld showed up, and that a substantial number of their achievements were made without alien influence, but that's just the archaeologist in me. My own theory is that the ancients left some genetic tag which gave the occasional nudge to the evoltuionary paths of any animal which became developed enough, but didn't explicitly try to recreate themselves.

Tales of survivors of Atlantis might refer to watchers like Aiyana, left in suspended animation to watch over the planet and occasionally thawed out, or to race memories descending from that genetic tag. In the latter case, memories triggered at specific evolutionary stages could account for inspirational dreams and the connection of the Ancients to the builders of roads in Roman times (which were definately long after the Ancients left this space).

Anubis
June 1st, 2004, 12:41 AM
A clever theory but I doubt the Ancients would want that. If they left an outpost on another planet then it will eventually be found someday, even if the Ancient's believed it was 'too early'

Mio
June 1st, 2004, 01:42 AM
So if you're scouring a planet of your technology, why leave the regeneration device which messes people's heads up in a hole in the ground in South America? Conversely, I believe that the Ancients vanished long before modern humans even evolved, so I don't think that they went out among the many races of the world, either.
No one ever said that it was found on Earth. It was found by tel'chak. He just put it in his temple on earth.

Anubis
June 1st, 2004, 01:52 AM
Tel'chak's device was never really explained, just that they made a weapon from it. But I do think it may have been originally on Earth as look at the Ancient outpost

ShadowMaat
June 1st, 2004, 03:27 AM
Conversely, I believe that the Ancients vanished long before modern humans even evolved, so I don't think that they went out among the many races of the world, either.
I realized the time gap afterwards. *sigh* ;) Still, it might be interesting if there were some kind of genetic connection between the Ancients and humans.

And I haven't seen LC, so I admit I could be missing out on some important details...

Mr Prophet
June 1st, 2004, 05:59 AM
A clever theory but I doubt the Ancients would want that. If they left an outpost on another planet then it will eventually be found someday, even if the Ancient's believed it was 'too early'

If you wanted to keep the primitives out, I guess you'd want something like the Moties 'maths-lock' or the Asgard conundrum in the Hall of Thor's Might; a mechanism that could only be opened once a civilisation had already developed its science - and perhaps its morality - to a certain level.

Mr Prophet
June 1st, 2004, 06:01 AM
I realized the time gap afterwards. *sigh* ;) Still, it might be interesting if there were some kind of genetic connection between the Ancients and humans.

I think there must be. Something caused the archive to respond to Jack but not Teal'c, and it's quite possible that the fall of the Ancients predates the rise of the Goa'uld (not the first time the team's initial supposition would have been disproved). It's difficult to be sure without knowing how long the Goa'uld have been a power.

Anubis
June 1st, 2004, 06:52 AM
I agree Mr Prophet. Something like Thor's Hammer

Mr Prophet
June 1st, 2004, 06:56 AM
I was thinking more of Thor's...Well, spade-a-spade; his Crystal Maze challenges to determine if the Cimmerians were ready to see the true form of the Asgard yet. Show a little courage, a little compassion; calculate pi in Norse runic numerals to half-a-dozen decimal places.

Wass
June 1st, 2004, 10:47 AM
And I haven't seen LC, so I admit I could be missing out on some important details...

Just out of interest why havn't you seen LC it was one of the best episode in sg-1 history.

SGSlugger
June 1st, 2004, 12:14 PM
Just out of interest why havn't you seen LC it was one of the best episode in sg-1 history.

People are busy! :p I almost missed it...

Wass
June 1st, 2004, 12:38 PM
People are busy! :p I almost missed it...


I was busy as well but manage to watch it. :D

ShadowMaat
June 1st, 2004, 12:39 PM
Just out of interest why havn't you seen LC it was one of the best episode in sg-1 history.
Because I read the spoilers about it and they pissed me off so much I decided I wanted no part of it. Massive recycling of a plotline seen in a much earlier ep, gobs of shippiness, and what I felt to be the ridiculous elevation of a character who has frankly been growing less and less enjoyable for me to watch since the end of S5.

Thanks just the same, but I'll go watch my copy of Fifth Race instead. ;)

nukechuck
June 1st, 2004, 01:13 PM
So if you're scouring a planet of your technology, why leave the regeneration device which messes people's heads up in a hole in the ground in South America? Conversely, I believe that the Ancients vanished long before modern humans even evolved, so I don't think that they went out among the many races of the world, either.


Well I certainly know that when I clean out my shop I always miss a couple of nooks and cranies. No matter how powerfull the Ancients were they couldn't possibly get every single item of thiers. Heck they could of even missed a small repsitory telling of thier plight that was found by an Egyptian Priest who passed it on until the story of Atlantis reached Plato who then wrote it down. Then of course the repository would have been destroyed by maybe the Christians when they went through Egypt destroying all non Christian things or maybe even earlier by some other group or maybe it was just forgotten.

Ugly Pig
June 1st, 2004, 01:42 PM
Because I read the spoilers about it and they pissed me off so much I decided I wanted no part of it. Massive recycling of a plotline seen in a much earlier ep, gobs of shippiness, and what I felt to be the ridiculous elevation of a character who has frankly been growing less and less enjoyable for me to watch since the end of S5.
It must hurt to be so wrong. :D

ShadowMaat
June 1st, 2004, 01:55 PM
It must hurt to be so wrong. :D
I don't feel that I am wrong. What I've picked up about LC only confirms my aggravations and makes me more confident that I made the right choice by deciding not to watch.

You may be the one hurting if you don't watch yourself, Pig Boy. ;)

Ugly Pig
June 1st, 2004, 02:09 PM
I don't feel that I am wrong. What I've picked up about LC only confirms my aggravations and makes me more confident that I made the right choice by deciding not to watch.
Well, at least regarding the "gobs of shippiness" I don't think it's as bad as you think. While there is ship to be found, it's (relatively) subtle and I don't think you anti-ship type people would have a big issue with it. (For the record: I'm neither a shipper nor an anti-shipper, myself. I don't really care either way.) As for the plot recycling; well - it's really just one plot element from The Fifth Race that gets re-used, not the whole plot. And it feels like a natural progression rather than a rip-off.


You may be the one hurting if you don't watch yourself, Pig Boy. ;)
I'll show you. Here, have a look at
MY OBNOXIOUS SIGNATURE! :D

Teal'c
June 1st, 2004, 02:55 PM
Because I read the spoilers about it and they pissed me off so much I decided I wanted no part of it. Massive recycling of a plotline seen in a much earlier ep, gobs of shippiness, and what I felt to be the ridiculous elevation of a character who has frankly been growing less and less enjoyable for me to watch since the end of S5.

Thanks just the same, but I'll go watch my copy of Fifth Race instead. ;)
Shadow, just watch the damn episode! At least then you can have reasons to complain! :P

Your two sources are Spoilers and Other People.

Spoilers are always at least somewhat misleading, but especially in this case with the infamous Razziel and his "spoilers", which unfortunately spread in tiny little bits...

Other People are biased and so are you :P You simply took all the opinions that said it was terrible because they agreed with your preconcpetions.

So, just watch the episode, you seem like you have plenty of time :P At the very least, drool over some cool special effects :P

(Apologies for being off topic :P)

StargateSara
June 2nd, 2004, 08:31 AM
I don't feel that I am wrong. What I've picked up about LC only confirms my aggravations and makes me more confident that I made the right choice by deciding not to watch.

You may be the one hurting if you don't watch yourself, Pig Boy. ;)
I agree with Mr. Pig ;). LC sets the stage for Stagate:Atlantis, are you planning NEVER to watch it? Won't you feel a big hole in the overall storylline if you don't know how things progressed? I admit that I've watched some eps that I felt weren't the best for whatever reason, but I've never been sorry for having watched. At the very least, the story progresses, and although we don't have to like where it goes, I think it's necessary to fully appreciate the big picture. Oh well, JMO, but I don't think you'd be sorry.

ShadowMaat
June 2nd, 2004, 08:46 AM
Won't you feel a big hole in the overall storylline if you don't know how things progressed?
Since SG Atlantis is supposed to be for NEW fans as well as "old" fans, I don't think I'll feel any gap. None worth worrying about, anyway. ;)

Oh and for the record, I regret watching Avenger 2.0. If I hadn't watched it, I could have lived with the illusion that Felger was competent and fully deserved to be part of the Stargate program. :P

GhostPoet
June 2nd, 2004, 09:12 AM
Since SG Atlantis is supposed to be for NEW fans as well as "old" fans, I don't think I'll feel any gap. None worth worrying about, anyway. ;)

Oh and for the record, I regret watching Avenger 2.0. If I hadn't watched it, I could have lived with the illusion that Felger was competent and fully deserved to be part of the Stargate program. :P

You have to be the most negative person i've ever seen.
and that's saying alot..because I thought my friend was the most negative person in the world.

ShadowMaat
June 2nd, 2004, 09:14 AM
You have to be the most negative person i've ever seen.
Your point being?

Not all my posts are "negative", but please feel free to pass judgement on me. It seems to be in the air lately.

nukechuck
June 2nd, 2004, 09:31 AM
Now lets not pick on ppl's attitude toward the show please :) . ShadowMaat has a right to not like certain aspects of the show, but to borrow from a well known phrase "Don't Knock It Until You've Seen It". Oh and can we get back on topic :D

Mr Prophet
June 2nd, 2004, 09:41 AM
Not all my posts are "negative", but please feel free to pass judgement on me. It seems to be in the air lately.

I wonder if it's the sulky Nirrti avatar? I always think Teal'c is being really angry, but it's just the subliminal effect of the grouchy Teal'c in the corner of his posts.

Another reason I use a faceless avatar; that way people just think I want to eat their brains, as indeed I do.

But for what it's worth, I don't think you're negative. I haven't seen an episode since Fragile Balance and from what I've read I'm not sure I want to. I'd watch them if they were on, but I'm not really tempted to ever get S7 on DVD, or even to make an effort to catch them on Channel 4.

SGSlugger
June 2nd, 2004, 11:05 AM
ShadowMaat -- doesn't it feel weird that you've watched the majority of S7 and NOT seeing how it ends? You're probably in that .01 percentile of people that didn't see it! (Heck, it's probably just you!) :p



Just jokin' with you! :p

Anubis
June 2nd, 2004, 11:08 AM
That would feel strange. Watching a season and not seeing how it ends! I'm not sure your location but if you lived in the UK it was shown about 6 times in one week! lol

GhostPoet
June 2nd, 2004, 11:16 AM
Your point being?

Not all my posts are "negative", but please feel free to pass judgement on me. It seems to be in the air lately.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. I just noticed that you tend to shoot things down right away usually...just an observation.

sorry again.

Teal'c
June 3rd, 2004, 07:29 AM
Your point being?

Not all my posts are "negative", but please feel free to pass judgement on me. It seems to be in the air lately.
What are you doing to the PTB though... I think it begins with a J too :P