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morjana
March 20th, 2005, 05:27 AM
From Cinescape:

http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Television&action=page&obj_id=43808&type_id=270286&cat_id=270356&sub_id=270402

or

http://tinyurl.com/6lcjd

(Please follow one of the links for the complete review.)

STARGATE ATLANTIS: The Siege
GRADE: D-
Reviewed Format: TV Show
Network: Sci-Fi Channel
Cast: Joe Flannigan, Torri Higginson, Rainbow Sun Francks, Rachel Lutrell, and David Hewlett
Creator: Brad Wright & Robert C. Cooper
Writers: Martin Gero
Director: Martin Wood

Television Review
STARGATE ATLANTIS: The Siege
Melodrama, technobabble, and enough cliches to fill a Wraith hiveship.

Dateline: Saturday, March 19, 2005

By: JASON DAVIS - Columnist

Continuing the threads from the preceding episodes, the Atlantis team is preparing for an invasion force of three Wraith hive ships. While a planet is sought for evacuation, Dr. McKay attempts to reactivate an ancient defense station near the Wraith attack route while Weir prepares to destroy the city to prevent it from falling into enemy hands. On the whole, these stories seem compelling enough to fill an episode with edge-of-the-seat excitement. Unfortunately, the plots are presented with predictable twists, comically overwrought performances, and enough technobabble to confuse the writing staff of a recent STAR TREK series.

**snippity doo-dah**

In the wake of a well-written bottle episode like "Letters from Pegasus", it's disappointing to see part one of a season finale squander a carefully built dam of tension in what amounts to a collection of dramatic cliches. This episode is the antithesis to STARGATE SG-1's daring take on the alternate-reality concept and airing after that spectacular episode does this one no favors. With a little luck, part two of "The Siege" will recover the promise of earlier installments in time for a grand finale, but it's going to take some work to recover from this fumble.

© 2001-2005 Mania Entertainment LLC

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Taonas
March 20th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Fumble? I found that "The Siege (Part 1)" was a really good episode! Also not very predictable... Except for any part with Sergent Bates.

And yes, Part 2 will make up for ANY fault they saw in Part 1.

Long live Atlantis!

keshou
March 20th, 2005, 06:38 AM
In the wake of a well-written bottle episode like "Letters from Pegasus", it's disappointing to see part one of a season finale squander a carefully built dam of tension in what amounts to a collection of dramatic cliches. This episode is the antithesis to STARGATE SG-1's daring take on the alternate-reality concept and airing after that spectacular episode does this one no favors. With a little luck, part two of "The Siege" will recover the promise of earlier installments in time for a grand finale, but it's going to take some work to recover from this fumble.
Well I obviously enjoyed this episode more than the reviewer - I would have given it a B+ or A-. It certainly followed a certain formula in parts of the show but I thought it was executed well and there were enough twists to result in a very entertaining hour of scifi television. It certainly left me anxious to see Part II. :D

Of course they compare it to "Stargate SG-1's daring take on the alternate-reality concept" and call that a "spectacular episode". So I immediately went looking for the review for Moebius I and can't find one. Wonder if it will be posted later? Or did I miss it?

It seems strange they wouldn't review Moebius I since the writer obviously watched it and even mentions the episode in his Atlantis review. :rolleyes:

Apollo
March 20th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Anyone who says that SG-A's finale (part one) was a 'fumble', while at the same time calls SG-1's finale (part one) 'spectacular', obviously has no taste whatsoever.

I think he got his words the wrong way round.

KatG
March 20th, 2005, 08:47 AM
*scratches head*

Did the reviewer watch the same episode I watched? :S

I thought this was an excellent episode. Not a "fumble" at all.

mancslad08
March 22nd, 2005, 04:19 AM
It was alright, the review was a bit harsh. Part 2 is way better.

Moebius on the other hand is ONE HELLUVA fumble.

Wass
March 22nd, 2005, 04:23 AM
It was alright, the review was a bit harsh. Part 2 is way better.

Moebius on the other hand is ONE HELLUVA fumble.
I agree part two was a lot better then part 1 but I still think it was put together very well.

Dr. Weir's Hair Gel
March 22nd, 2005, 06:34 AM
I like cliches. I think a lot of other people do, too... or else the Goa'uld would not be popular at all. =)

TechnoBoY
March 22nd, 2005, 06:59 AM
I loved this ep! BOOO! Oh well! :D

Way better then Mobius.

Gothann
March 22nd, 2005, 07:30 AM
I'd give this episode a B+

I'd give Siege pt. 2 the D-, if ever. (WAY too many cliches to my taste. There IS a limit, and the writers have tested mine)

Heh, I love living in Canada, I've seen the end of Season 1 of SGA already, but I'm still looking forward to the end of Season 8 of SG-1.

greytop
March 22nd, 2005, 08:23 AM
It has been noticing (or watching) that when the critics downgrade a movie or show, the more people will watch it. And usually it is more popular. So, maybe this is a good sign. :)

Gothann
March 22nd, 2005, 08:38 AM
It has been noticing (or watching) that when the critics downgrade a movie or show, the more people will watch it. And usually it is more popular. So, maybe this is a good sign. :)
Yeah, you have a point.

Although, if they slam Siege Pt. 2 (just as I did) then there's a problem here. I just hope Siege Pt. 3 is going to be good.

GhostPoet
March 22nd, 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm not surprised at their review...they are typical critics...critics never know what's good anyway.:) That's why most people don't go by their reviews.

I loved the episode.

jjafuller
March 23rd, 2005, 12:19 AM
It seemed to me that the reviewer was spot on. As a follower of the Stargate franchise from the beginning, I feel that both SG-1 and Atlantis suffered critical "fumbles" in their respective season finales.

I think that Moebius would have been better put in slots 16 and 17 of the season, and allowed the show to go out with Threads.

In all fairness, Moebius was much more original than The Siege. But, it was not as entertaining. I think that the comparison makes a good example of the difference between the shows. I believe that SG-1 will continue to be a test ground for new ideas, and continue to poke fun at the genre. Whereas Atlantis will continue to be a conglomeration of SciFi cliches. Not that I am saying that there is anything wrong with that. They are just different methodologies.

Serpent Guard
March 23rd, 2005, 08:04 AM
I quite liked this episode as well. Oh well, to each their own, I'll enjoy it and he can go eat his crow sandwich. :)

not so ancient
March 25th, 2005, 08:48 AM
Against my better judgment, I went to Cinescape to read their review of Atlantis' season finale, The Siege Part 1. They totally panned the episode, and one can expect that they will do the same for tonight's episode. They get grudges against certain series. Atlantis looks like their newest victim.

I admit, I had no great opinion of Cinescape going into this. I had some experience with a sometime hack writer for Cinescape back in The X-Files fandom. I can't find words bad enough for that guy. He deliberately went about poisoning TXF's fandom with his hate. You really can't imagine unless you were there. But surely the whole magazine/website couldn't be that bad? It couldn't actually be worse, could it?

Wrong. Cinescape has reached a new low. The thing that's so disgusting about this review is that it's so unintelligent. Two examples of this stupidity:

(1) The writer complains that the writing is incomprehensible technobabble. Was anyone confused about the work that Rodney and Grodin were doing on the satellite? It mentioned 'circuits' and 'buffers' - if the writer cannot understand that, he must be using candles and a manual typewriter. Duh!

(2) The writer complains that the episode has 'cliches', is 'ponderous', and 'predictable'. First, I think it's unfair to judge only 1 half of a 2 part episode. You have to view it as a whole. Second, this episode ties to many other themes - the Teyla arc growing from stranger to team member, the responsibility Weir feels to the legacy of the Ancients' wisdom, the leadership of Sheppard. Each of these situations builds Atlantis' problems in its way. This is how stories are built, over a season, and in a 2 part season finale. It's be inappropriate if wildly new elements were introduced at this point. The audience looks to the elements of the past episodes to play a part in what we know is coming. If the reviewer can't understand that, he needs to be reviewing Desperate Housewives or something.

I have long suspected that Cinescape writers take money to pan things. I've seen unjustified flaming of shows happen way too much, both to shows I like and shows I have no vested interest in whatsoever. Their journalistic integrity is right up there with The National Enquirer and "Jeff Gannon."

Cinescape gets a 5 Douchebag rating from me. Hint to Cinescape: more is not better in this case.

Matthew D
March 25th, 2005, 08:54 AM
Good call on the review... I had been thinking the same thing as I was reading it. Also, I got the feeling from the review that something happened during the show that made the reviewer upset, like maybe someone lost his favorite character or something along those lines.. that is just an inference on my part though

Darkdreams
March 25th, 2005, 08:57 AM
OMFG that was funny if that guy needs some candles we should start a collection for him, what a dumb ass. SG1, and SGA episodes build upon past episodes you cant review part of a two parter and not take into account past episodes, what a dumb ass...

Darkdreams
March 25th, 2005, 08:58 AM
Good call on the review... I had been thinking the same thing as I was reading it. Also, I got the feeling from the review that something happened during the show that made the reviewer upset, like maybe someone lost his favorite character or something along those lines.. that is just an inference on my part though

Maybe he was trying to get taylas' # and she told him to piss off?

Wass
March 25th, 2005, 09:02 AM
There is already a thread on this subject here SGA - Cinescape - Reviews "The Siege - Part One" (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=10256&highlight=Cinescape%3A) where a lot of people discussion about it I was surprised by how negative it was.

UnderT
March 25th, 2005, 09:07 AM
They don't have a bias. They were praising the episode "Letters from Pragesus" so I don't see how you could say they vate everything Atlantis.
I think He's just stating his opinion on the episode. You can disagree if you want but I don't see a bias.

Qasim
March 25th, 2005, 09:13 AM
I agree it was a very negative review and was unjustified IMHO

not so ancient
March 25th, 2005, 09:52 AM
There is already a thread on this subject here SGA - Cinescape - Reviews "The Siege - Part One" (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=10256&highlight=Cinescape%3A) where a lot of people discussion about it I was surprised by how negative it was.

I'm sorry I missed the existence of the other thread. Things being spread out as they are, it's not so easy to search.

not so ancient
March 25th, 2005, 09:57 AM
They don't have a bias. They were praising the episode "Letters from Pragesus" so I don't see how you could say they vate everything Atlantis.
I think He's just stating his opinion on the episode. You can disagree if you want but I don't see a bias.

Cinescape is not so blatantly obvious as that. They'll like one thing, (like "Letters from Pegasus" that I liked but didn't think was that strong an ep,) but the average and the trend will be negative. They've done this many times.

As I stated as a disclaimer, I'm very skeptical about Cinescape. And as I stated, this review was not so much irritating because of its negativity, but rather because of its stupidity. An orangutan drunk on Jose Cuervo could have understood the episode better than that guy did. I don't think it's too much to ask a sci-fi reviewer to have an IQ in the double digits.

Qasim
March 25th, 2005, 10:01 AM
"Letters from Pegasus" - I liked but didn't think was that strong an epMe too

DelTrax1
March 25th, 2005, 10:12 AM
Good review on the review. I didn't even really want to read but I was compelled. I have some candles for that fruit.

SLASeth
March 25th, 2005, 02:13 PM
I saw this review and was surprised. I thought the episode was pretty good (actually better than pt II). I agree with Not So Ancient. 5 at least!

joanne1138
March 26th, 2005, 07:44 AM
I think every reveiw by a critic that I have ever read, no matter what it has said has been followed in some way by "No one takes <<insert critic here>> seriously" I'm just gonna go ahead and say it now, no one takes critics seriously. They always have a complete disregard for the fans...

The thing that amused me most was that guy saying the technobabble incomprehensible. I've shown a couple of people this episode and not one person found it too difficult to understand. Even one of my friend's 12 year old cousins. Heh. :p