If Anubis had somehow escaped from Oma Desala or beaten her, could he with his ascended knowledge stand a chance against the Ori? Maybe if he was able to recreate the Eyes of the Goa'uld (and build a fleet of his motherships), or get ahold of the Sangraal? Even without those he did still have the Kull warriors which could then board the Ori ships and steal them. He could also have created more clones of Khalek. With the Ori fighting the Tau'ri, Free Jaffa, Asgard, and everyone else, would Anubis defeat the Ori?
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I agree with killman. Anubis is one person. The Ori were an entire peopleOriginally posted by aretood2Comment
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Well don't.Originally posted by aretood2Comment
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Remember Khalek? Anubis was planning to have an army of ascended clones of himself wasn't he? Assuming the ancients didn't interfere, he could have continued this plan. His Kull Warriors are superior to Ori soldiers (except priors). His Ha'taks were better than Thor's ship, and his mothership was quite powerful. While a one on one with Anubis's Mothership vs an Ori Warship would end in victory for the Ori, one Ori Warship vs Anubis's Mothership plus several of his upgraded Ha'taks could stand a chance.Originally posted by jelgate View Post
What I'm saying is if Anubis had come back at the beginning of season 10, would he be a threat to the Ori?Comment
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It was left kind of ambigious of what Khalek's role was. SG1 speculated on him being experiment for Anubis to return to mortal form or the army you are suggesting. No matter what he is this still a moot point. Anubis' "experiment" for lack of a better word is on the same level as the Priors. The Ori can always make more priors if it is needed.
As for the space battle scenario, I don't buy it. Asgard ships are still superior to Anubis' Hataks. Thor lost mostly because Anubis had the element of surprise. Only 4 Ori ships destroyed our armada in Camelot. Anubis' fleet would have to massively outnumber (like 100x bigger) to beat the OriOriginally posted by aretood2Comment
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I agree with you - the Ori themselves aren't a problem, as long as the other ascended keep them out of the Milkyway (hell, Anubis would probably hide out of phase if it came to that (I he overcame Oma he could have probably used ALL OF HIS ANCIENT KNOWLEDGE not just the things he could have acquired another way, meaning phasing tech (Arthur's Mantle!), the Arc of Truth (meaning he could have captured a prior and used that) and Ha'tak vessels that could really take on an Asgard ship (and in sufficient numbers even the Ori ships!) etc. etc.)Originally posted by IncanMan View PostComment
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It's worth noting a couple of things...
1) Anubis himself potentially has the ability to take over Ori ships and there's very little that the Ori's followers can do to stop him. There's nothing to suggest a Prior can't be taken over by him (hell, normal old Goa'uld Ba'al was able to control Adria for a spell) so it's very easy to imagine a scenario where he does exactly that in order to use this guise to board an Ori ship. From there he can use the Prior's body to use its control chair to take it to a place where he has ships waiting, let down the shields, and have his forces use the beaming technology he stole from the Asgard to take over the ship. With his ascended knowledge it shouldn't be overly difficult for him to modify the technology so that an underling can control the ship on his behalf.
If he does this a couple of times he could even the initial odds. Over time they could get wise to this and develop a means to detect him. Since he can't use his broader powers to gain access to a secured location they could keep him out of their ships by always maintaining their shields and properly screening everyone they let on-board. However, with the access Anubis gained during those initial wins, (both in terms of the access to the ships themselves and potential access to Priors, assuming he can contain them and do to them what he did to Thor) he could try to replicate some of the Ori's technology for adaption into his own ships, thus creating a very legitimate problem for the Ori when they send their second wave through.
2) There's the weapon on Dakara to consider. To begin, I suppose we're assuming that he didn't use it in this scenario because had he done so the human population would have been wiped out, thus negating the desire of the Ori to come to the Milky way unless the life he replaced it with could also power them and were also susceptible to conversion (which seems unlikely). If he didn't use it because it was destroyed then obviously it's a non-factor but if it's still around because he didn't feel like he had to use it since he had an easier time subjugating everyone then the Ori have a problem. The Jaffa screwed up using it but would Anubis have? He could have just implemented his plan to wipe out all life in the galaxy right away and caught them completely off guard because they had no idea of its existence prior to its first use. And if he did decide to use it in a localized attack first it's not necessarily a given that things would have turned out the same way for him as it did for the Jaffa. Hell, it could have worked for the Jaffa under different circumstances.Last edited by Xaeden; 22 June 2021, 05:29 PM.Comment
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But Khalek was only one person. Had he possessed dozens of them, i might see it..Originally posted by IncanMan View Post
As to his upgraded flag ship, we saw how easily THAT got taken out by SG1 and the drones. We have yet to see how the Ori mothership's handle drones..Comment
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If we assume the Road Not Taken Ancient platform is similar to ours then it takes a lot of drones to destroy Ori ships. Remember to stop an Ori attack took most of Earth's drones of that universeOriginally posted by aretood2Comment
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No mention was made of how many drones it took to "fight off" the one attacking Ori ship or what the status of their current drone supply was. The issue was that it nearly depleted their ZPM.Originally posted by jelgate View Post
LORNE
Three weeks ago, the Ori attempted an attack on Earth.
CARTER
You survived an Ori attack?!
HAMMOND
One ship. We fought them off with the Ancient chair. The ZPM was nearly depleted in the process.
LORNE
That's why our Major Carter was running that experiment. She was trying to bolster our power reserves with captured energy from other universes.
CARTER
And of course, you only have the one ZPM, cause you've never received new ones from Atlantis.
Presuming it's the same ZPM that was used to halt Anubis' attack this means that it took almost as much power to fight off that one Ori ship as it did to dial Atlantis. That doesn't really tell us much as the ZPM was very low on power to begin with, we don't know how much power is drained per minute powering the weapons platform versus minutes dialing Pegasus, the ZPM wasn't said to be fully depleted after fighting off the Ori so a half reduction of its very little starting power could be what they meant by that line, and it's unclear if they used it for other things in that universe that the main universe didn't because they blew their ZPM's power on dialing Atlantis (e.g. running tests on the weapons platform).
It's also worth noting that their plan for surviving another attack was to replace their ZPM power so they had to believe that they had some sort of shot against another Ori attack in order for them to stress that plan so heavily. If they had less than half the number of drones used to fight off that one Ori ship left then it would be a fruitless pursuit because they'd know they wouldn't be able to stop an attack of just one more ship.
Further, early on it was said that they believed the reason the Ori were waiting on attacking Earth directly was because they were afraid of the weapons platform (clearly they didn't know that Earth couldn't power it at the time). This doesn't mean that Earth could have beaten those four ships. It might just have been that they didn't want to create the perception that their ships could be defeated before they had a stronger foothold in the galaxy and were thus concerned that their number of converts would decline if they lost just one or two ship defeating Earth.
On the other hand, even after an additional six ships came through it took them the time frame of six episodes, plus a movie to make a move on Earth. During that time, it was suggested (although never proven) that the plan to attack Earth using cloaked ships in order to bypass the weapons platform was made in conjure with the Ori (as opposed to something that Jaffa came up with on his own, thinking it would please them). If true, that would also demonstrate their fear of the platform. Although, of course, if they didn't know that Earth didn't have a ZPM ready and waiting prior to getting extras from the Asurans, they wouldn't have known how many drones they had so there is a lot of gray area there.
Btw, in pointing out that they waited to attack Earth when they had nine ships I'm not saying that the weapons platform could have beaten nine ships, just that the Ori may have thought the losses would be too high relative to their position in the galaxy just then. In "The Ark of Truth" it was said that the weapons platform couldn't beat seven Ori ships. I'm not sure how they would know that, though, since they never tested drones against Ori shields. The only explanation I can think of is that Carter was allowed to access data from the Ori attack on the alternate reality off screen and told them as much.Last edited by Xaeden; 13 March 2016, 12:31 PM.Comment
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