Yes, there are the novels, but I'm not asking about what happened in the books. Rather, I'm curious as to what each viewer imagines happening where the finale's credits begin to role. Did the ship simply park in orbit? Did it fly around San Francisco with fireworks like in the finale's opening scene? Did the ship land outside San Francisco? What happened to the ship? Will it be a museum, an experimental ship for research and development, or perhaps retrofitted to be a secret tactical ship considering all of it's upgrades? We know Janeway got promoted to Admiral and landed a desk job on Earth. What about everyone else? Who's in command of Voyager, assuming it's still in service? Will the crew stay together on the ship, or did they split up? Janeway's promotion suggests to me that they all moved on with their lives. Anyway, I'm looking forward to see where this discussion takes the ship and crew.
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well the episode ends with them getting back to the alpha quadrant. which is disappointing because it should have been Earth.
my guess is after a major matinence check, Voyager would be back on active duty. maybe Chakotay commands it (i think its safe to assume that all maque on voyager are reinstated).
as for the crew, I like to think they remained close. as for the characters, i'd like:
harry: gets premoted!!
tom and be'lanna: for a few years raise their daughter on earth, and eventually go back to active duty.
the doctor: continues to fight for hologram rights, while still being a chief medical officer
. and picks a name (even if its Joe lol).
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They get court martialled for gross incompetence and thrown in the slammer.sigpic
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Chakotay finally comes to his senses, breaks up with Seven, and ends up with Janeway as he should've and Seven ends up with anyone else. Other than that, I haven't really thought about it, lol.
I really can't imagine what would've happened. I mean, they left a (mostly) peaceful Alpha quadrant and came back 7 years later after it had been through a major war. Things and people are bound to be different. But I would imagine that the Maquis got pardons, but I doubt the same could be said for the leftovers from the Equinox. If anyone got the captain Voyager I'd hope it'd be Tuvok. The tech brought back from the Delta quadrant would no doubt prove useful to Starfleet (they probably wished they would've had it during the war). Starfleet Medical no doubt found Seven to be most interesting.
There is one thing we all be absolutely sure of:
Harry Kim was still an ensign!Comment
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that I agree with. I didn't get the Chakotay and Seven thing, mainly because it was just thrown in at the end of the show.Originally posted by Dixie_Vampiress View Post
and I never really thought about how different the Alpha quadent would be from the one that they left. I can imagine the return of the ship, almost seeming like the first happy thing to most of the quadent. it would definetly be a shock that there was a war, especially since I don't think they even knew about the deminion when voyager left?sigpicComment
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Well we see Voyager is escorted back to Earth right at the end of the episode.Originally posted by Snowman37 View Post
I always thought that the ship probably would have docked in the large starbase in Earth orbit, at least initially.
Some kind of party was probably set up for the crew, don't see why the fly over near Golden Gate Bridge couldn't have happened as a part of that.
I would think that once the party's over some lengthy reports would have to be filed.
IMO Voyager probably would have been studied for quite a while, with any advanced tech cataloged, studied in depth, the crew that played key parts in installing that stuff on the ship would have advised on how it functions throughout the ship.
Promotions and any rule violations would've been dealt with.
The fact that we don't see any uber powered weapons in Nemesis like transphasic torpedoes or advanced hull armor and slipstream probabaly either means there were issues making the tech compatible with Federation issue ships.
Voyager being so far from home for so long and dealing with may have meant that some mods weren't compatible with all of the fleet.
The Federation probably wanted to study the technologies Voyager brought back in depth for quite some time, testing safety, hense why we only see standard Alpha quadrant tech on the Enterprise E.
As far as the crew's promotions go I don't know if Chakotey would've wanted to captain a ship, though I think he could've been offered a command, probably taking B'Elanna for his chief engineer (assuming she doesn't want to settle on Earth to raise her daughter for a few years), Tom would probably want to bond with his dad, so staying on Earth with B'Elanna close by would be a good setting for him.
I would've thought that being so far away from home for such a long time probably means that the crew of Voyager were given some new training from starfleet, lots of counciling on their ordeal and assessments as to whether they were still fit for duty.
Considering Janeway's given a promotion the next step-up in the command structure would likely be offered to each member of the ship, unless they've commited major offences.
IMO Tuvok likely deserves a command, though he may feel comfortable continuing his role as a tactical officer.
Harry always seemed to want to be a captain, though I think he could get bumped up to either Leutenant or Leutenant Commander.
Seven could be an advisor at Starfleet command, though she could easily breeze through starfleet and become a fully fledged officer (not sure if Janeway gave her a rank?).
Regarding relationships, I didn't have a problem with Chekotay and Seven, they seemed happy with each other, the Janeway/Chekotay never seemed to form because Janeway was the ship's mother, like a best friend to Chekotey in much the same way Tuvok was (only not quite so deep because of the amount of time Tuvok's known Janeway), but this is just my opinion, everyone's entitled to their own perspective on that.
I agree with blueray on the Doctor, I'd like to add that I think he would be an excellent person to leave on Earth, working on several diseases, medical technologies, of course while fight for hologram rights, also writing popular holo novels.
Can't think of anyone else, but promotions would be deserved by many if not all active officers from the ship.Comment
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They did not about the Dominion before hand, as is evident in this dialog in "Message In A Bottle":Originally posted by blueray View Post
EMH: "Is the Federation at war with the Romunlans?"
EMH Mark II: "No, the Romunlans haven't gotten involved with our fight with the Dominion."
EMH: "The who?"
EMH Mark II: "Long Story."
They probably did know that there was a war being fought after they were able to communicate with the Alpha quadrant, but probably didn't know the extent of it.Comment
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There had been at least two Dominion encounters before Voyager was swept to the Delta Quadrant. The events of DS9's "The Jem'Hadar" and "The Search." The Dominion was common knowledge, but the details of the first two encounters were likely classified. I'd expect that Captain Janeway would know about the Dominion, but I doubt the crew would have known more than a "need to know" basis.Comment
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Ah Voyager, so much they could have done with that show.
In my honest opinion they should have made Voyager return to Earth at the end of season 6 and have a whole season to explore how the crew adjusts to life on Earth, like what happens with the Marquis, families reunited, Seven and the doctor exploring life after Voyager to a almost alien society and so on and then towards the end of the season have possibly a major Borg threat happen and the crew coming back together or something to that effect.
But since it is voyager the show of the constant reset button and little character development I am not surprised it ended the way it did. ( I could do a massive post on what Voyager could have done differently)
Don't get me wrong I don't overly hate Voyager it is just the way DS9 handled its characters and most of stories it just seemed such a waste what was done with Voyager.sigpicComment
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Ignoring the absurd appearance of "Admiral" Janeway in Nemesis, I figure...
- Janeway is tried for gross incompetence (among other crimes) and locked away for a long time
- Seven and Icheb are detained in some Starfleet Intelligence or Section 31 facility for a very long time
- Tuvok probably receives a promotion
- Paris, for good conduct, is released from his prison sentence but also released from Starfleet service
- Kim finally gets a promotion (or two), since Janeway was never arsed to bother
- Many of the crew decorated for impressive service in harsh conditions
- All of the Maquis crew are arrested and tried for terrorism
- The EMH program is extracted from the Voyager computers for study and transferred to Zimmerman's facility, while the mobile emitter is claimed by Starfleet's R&D department
- Voyager itself is shipped off to either Utopia Planetia or some secret facility to have its foreign and future technologies reverse-engineered
Or, if the voyager staff was writing it, everything is hunky dory and all of Earth takes a holiday to celebrate the crew and a hundred holo-films fantasizing about the undisputed excellence of voyager get made."A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After LifeComment
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You want to justify Admiral Janeway. You just go with the idea that she was promoted out of harm's way. Ended up as Admiral in charge of office supplies or something.
That's apparently how they do in real militarys when you mess up but can't be out and out got rid off. Promotion to bad job.sigpic
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True enough, and that's not just military, that's corporate too. "Failing upward;" promoting someone to a bad job where they can't do a lot of damage."A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After LifeComment
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I'll agree with you on these plot points, but...Originally posted by DigiFluid View Post
Originally posted by DigiFluid View Post- Why should we ignore Janeway's appearance in Nemesis? Why would Janeway be tried for incompetence, other crimes, and be sent to prison? What crimes did she commit?
- Why would Starfleet detain and study Seven and Icheb indefinitely? I thought this was the optimistic 24th century where everyone is treated fairly?
- Why would Paris be released from Starfleet service after seven years of immaculate service aboard Voyager? He saved the ship on numerous occasions. If not for his actions in retaking the ship from the Kazon, the ship would never have made it home.
- Why would Chakotay's Maquis crew be arrested and tried for their pre-Voyager crimes? I would imagine that everyone onboard would be pardoned. I would even expect those who were Starfleet turned Maquis might even get reinstated. They basically ceased to be Maquis anyway seven years prior to the ship's homecoming.
- Again, why would Starfleet do this? Wasn't the EMH already recognized as an individual in "Author, Author?" If Data can be recognized as an individual in "The Measure of a Man," why not Voyager's EMH?
Are you forgetting the alternate future seen in "Endgame?" Janeway never went to prison, the Doctor presumably never got locked away and still had his emitter, B'Elanna didn't appear to be an ex-con, and so on...Comment
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Harry gets promoted (and meets the right girl)
Everyone (Janeway) get new jobs closer to Earth
They finally tell Starfleet where all the extra shuttles came fromsigpic
Save a Man-of-War, ride a Commodore.
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Voyager is sent to the Utopia Planitia shipyards Mars and put under tight security and a large team of engineers and scientists begin to take a look at the technology brought back by Voyager.
After a few years Starfleet builds a ship based on tech brought back by Voyager and it becomes the most advanced ship in the fleet.
Meanwhile in the Delta Quadrant the Borg are more or less destroyed except there was always a backup system in place. A new advanced class of Borg drone know as a King Drone was always kept in stasis and disconnected from the collective, in the event of the Borgs annihilation the King Drone would be activated and would commence it's mission to re-establish the borg collective. This Borg King Drone however is unique, it's entirely cybernetic. Think irobot style of drone. It's far more formidable and intelligent and begins converting humanoids into drones.
That's all I've got. hahaComment
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