New Spinoff Idea.

[gashead]

I have been thinking lately about a new Stargate spin-off series.

So far in all 3 shows The Ancient's have featured quite heavily, without actually appearing that much.

What do you all think of a series based on The Ancients at the top of their powers, maybe also showing their war with The Wraith.
I for one think it could be quite interesting, war with The Wraith, building Atlantis and maybe show Destiny fly off in her maiden voyage.
Also showing more interesting things about them.

Before anyone says it, I know that's it, no more Stargate. I'm just thinking out loud, what do you think or do you have a different idea?

[rushy]

Maybe, but I'd rather see a series set in the future, the unknown. What happens to Earth in 70 years to the future?

[The Dude]

I have been thinking lately about a new Stargate spin-off series.

So far in all 3 shows The Ancient's have featured quite heavily, without actually appearing that much.

What do you all think of a series based on The Ancients at the top of their powers, maybe also showing their war with The Wraith.
I for one think it could be quite interesting, war with The Wraith, building Atlantis and maybe show Destiny fly off in her maiden voyage.
Also showing more interesting things about them.

Before anyone says it, I know that's it, no more Stargate. I'm just thinking out loud, what do you think or do you have a different idea?

Sounds awesome. I'd definitely watch that. Would you have any Ancients from the series transfered over? Or just entirely new personas?

[Vashta_Nerada]

I have been thinking lately about a new Stargate spin-off series.

So far in all 3 shows The Ancient's have featured quite heavily, without actually appearing that much.

What do you all think of a series based on The Ancients at the top of their powers, maybe also showing their war with The Wraith.
I for one think it could be quite interesting, war with The Wraith, building Atlantis and maybe show Destiny fly off in her maiden voyage.
Also showing more interesting things about them.

Before anyone says it, I know that's it, no more Stargate. I'm just thinking out loud, what do you think or do you have a different idea?

Well, They could start off the show with the Ancients building/designing the Stargates. Then the Stargate name would be well justified. Also I'm pretty sure they could use the Stargate for travel to all there protected planets and outposts and such.

I would watch it anyway.

EDIT: It would also be good to see the 4 races alliance and how all that got started.

[Snowman37]

So far in all 3 shows The Ancient's have featured quite heavily, without actually appearing that much.

That's because they are boring and have no personality.

What do you all think of a series based on The Ancients at the top of their powers, maybe also showing their war with The Wraith.
I for one think it could be quite interesting, war with The Wraith, building Atlantis and maybe show Destiny fly off in her maiden voyage.
Also showing more interesting things about them.

You do realize that this part of Ancient history spans millions of years, right? How will you squish that into a TV show of five or less seasons? Ultimately, this concept is doomed to fail. People don't care about SG history, they want to see X team go through the stargate, shoot up some aliens, solve a mystery, and go home. That's what appeals, that's what SGU didn't do, and that's what got it cancelled.

[gashead]

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[gashead]

Sounds awesome. I'd definitely watch that. Would you have any Ancients from the series transfered over? Or just entirely new personas?

Janis (SP) Would be an interesting character, see what he got up to in his time machine and see his other inventions. He could use his time machine to get up to all sorts of mischief.
Oma Desala, she could be interesting also.
I'd concentrate on their war with the Wraith though (Or would that be to much like SGA though?)

[gashead]

That's because they are boring and have no personality.


You do realize that this part of Ancient history spans millions of years, right? How will you squish that into a TV show of five or less seasons? Ultimately, this concept is doomed to fail. People don't care about SG history, they want to see X team go through the stargate, shoot up some aliens, solve a mystery, and go home. That's what appeals, that's what SGU didn't do, and that's what got it cancelled.

Obviously you ain't going to show all 5M years.
I'd use Janis & his time machine to travel through their history.

[Blencathra]

Janis (SP) Would be an interesting character, see what he got up to in his time machine and see his other inventions. He could use his time machine to get up to all sorts of mischief.
Oma Desala, she could be interesting also.
I'd concentrate on their war with the Wraith though (Or would that be to much like SGA though?)

Obviously you ain't going to show all 5M years.
I'd use Janis & his time machine to travel through their history.

So in other words you want to turn it into Doctor Who.

[rushy]

And the name is Janus, not Janis.

[gashead]

And the name is Janus, not Janis.

If were splitting heirs over a name, you don't start a sentence with the word And.

Jeez, did it make you feel better..?

[KEK]

Hairs*

And it's fine to start a sentence with a conjunction.

[Pytheas]

I thought about this too, but Snowman37 has a point: "That's because they are boring and have no personality.".

Rather than focus on them at the height of their power, I say explore their background. At a time when things were fairly fraught for the Ancients/Alterans, at a time when great storylines were abound because they were marginalised, set against a powerful, rising enemy; a philosophical enemy, that quickly became a political and finally a military one: the Ori.

Set on Celestis, you could tell the story of how the Alterans divided and then found themselves up against a powerful new enemy not because of their arms capability but because of their concept of spirituality. Speaking for myself, who enjoys political dramas and such like, I'd watch that show. The evolution of the show could go from the Alterans at the head of their galactic government, to then exploring the different aspects of how a simple philosophy can redefine the entire outlook of a civilisation. By the end of, say, the third series, what remains of the "Alteran" way-of-life retreat to an old mountain fortification, Ortus Mallum, and Amelius first conceptualising the Stargate.

[The Dude]

EDIT: It would also be good to see the 4 races alliance and how all that got started.

Yeah that's a great idea.

Janis (SP) Would be an interesting character, see what he got up to in his time machine and see his other inventions. He could use his time machine to get up to all sorts of mischief.
Oma Desala, she could be interesting also.
I'd concentrate on their war with the Wraith though (Or would that be to much like SGA though?)

Janus I would vote on being a good transfer and I like the time machine idea. We could have every season cover a different epoch of history; the Ori in one season (or perhaps the first three seasons as Pytheas suggests, the 4 races in another season, wraith in another season?

Snowman brings up a good point about people wanting to see gate travel, find cool thing, fight, win! go home for the most part. So we need something of a plot device. Looking for someone? Why are we going through the gate to unexplored worlds so frequently that is the question. What is he looking for? Who is trying to stop him. What is the show about in the long run? What is the purpose of the story?

[Snowman37]

I have a way for a prequel to work. Start off the show in the present day. Atlantis, on Earth's oceans, has mostly depleted the three ZPM's from traveling to Earth and fighting the ZPM Wraith hive. An expedition is lead to the past via Time Jumper to a time where Atlantis was still on Earth. The mission is to aquire ZPM's from the Ancients for the future. Surely the Ancients would be willing to hand some over when they're at the height of their empire, no? The catch... the Time Jumper is damaged in the past, crash landing. The ship is salvageable, but the time-travel components are destroyed. The present-day folks are stranded in the distant past until a way home can be found. Stasis pods won't work. If 10,000 years in a stasis pod turns Elizabeth Weir into an old woman, what will millions of years do? The show can feature an older, smaller, low-tech Atlantis (as opposed to what we see in SGA). The stories can cover the Milky Way ancients before the plague and Atlantis's departure for Pegasus. Instead of trying to cover all of the Ancient's history, just give a glimpse to one particular time period.

If I were to produce a prequel, that's my pitch.

[StargateWatcher]

I thought about this too, but Snowman37 has a point: "That's because they are boring and have no personality.".

Rather than focus on them at the height of their power, I say explore their background. At a time when things were fairly fraught for the Ancients/Alterans, at a time when great storylines were abound because they were marginalised, set against a powerful, rising enemy; a philosophical enemy, that quickly became a political and finally a military one: the Ori.

Set on Celestis, you could tell the story of how the Alterans divided and then found themselves up against a powerful new enemy not because of their arms capability but because of their concept of spirituality. Speaking for myself, who enjoys political dramas and such like, I'd watch that show. The evolution of the show could go from the Alterans at the head of their galactic government, to then exploring the different aspects of how a simple philosophy can redefine the entire outlook of a civilisation. By the end of, say, the third series, what remains of the "Alteran" way-of-life retreat to an old mountain fortification, Ortus Mallum, and Amelius first conceptualising the Stargate.

Like this idea; some people have expressed concern about a series taking place in the past. I don't so much.

I myself love politcal dramas, having majored in history and scoail sciences.

[Snowman37]

Political dramas can make for a good movie, but an ongoing TV series? Eh... that'll loose me after two or three episodes.

[Pytheas]

Well, you could break it up with some cool space-set action scenes.

In my head, it wouldn't just be a load of people sat around talking. There'd be maybe a few scenes where Alteran spies are trying to infiltrate the Ori sect; battles between impassioned Ori followers and Alteran police forces; and so on and so forth. Each episode could put more or less emphasis on particular people or groups, and explore different ways in which radicalised faith can have a massive impact: culturally, socially, politically and even militarily. I've always thought that science fiction is at its best when mirroring and commenting on the real world - this idea would certainly be current!

I don't agree with the "setting it in the future" idea. For other sci-fi shows, sure, I'm fine with that. But Stargate is unique, I think, not just because of the gate itself but also because it explores how a modern, present-day military would respond and react to the concepts of interplanetary travel and potential alien invasions. If another series was to be commissioned based around the SGC/Homeworld Command, I'd wait a few years and set it then. Maybe integrate a few more international militaries into the stories. It could just be a new "SG1"-style series, but following a British SAS, French BFST, Russian VDV, or Chinese SOF team that have recently become incorporated into the SGC. You'd just have to find a new enemy for them to fight.

[meo3000]

Why cant the Alterans have SG teams? The seeder ships AI decided which planets had interesting resources or features, not the people per say. They still had to explore each planet to evaluate its worth and increase their knowledge. Like the Tau'ri eventually do for the same exact reasons.

Its the same concept, except with a more advanced group. You must have the stargate, so anything before it was used by the Alterans is out of the question. Set in the Milky Way, not necessarily Earth. The first half of the season could show us Amelius implementing and beta testing a small network of gates, while Destiny and the seeder ships are being built. You could have your weekly destination with, in the background, a longer plot involving an entire research outpost run by Amelius, and once in while a visit to the capital city for whatever reasons, you can have all the tech you want, just remember that using the stargate is quicker than using ships. If you want to push it, old regulars could even jump start the concept:

On earth, in Atlantis hangar, McKay is arguing with Carter while working on a brand new time travel jumper, the plans were found in Janus secret labs. The new jumper is critical in altering the events that transpired on Icarus. Its their best chance at saving everyone at the base and on Destiny, and to thwart the plans of the Lucian Alliance. Being the great scientist that he is, McKay has cameras filming everything, for posterity of course. We can catch him whining that he never goes on expeditions anymore, that his team has been dismantled for no other reason than to cause him misery and make sure he stays in the lab. Carter tells him to buck up. The day was long and since time is relative, saving the day can wait so theres no reason not go to bed, separately.

McKay cant sleep, hes going through his notes. He thinks he figured something out, goes to the hangar. Hes stopped by security and command is notified. McKay isnt allowed to work on the jumper without supervision, something about him missing an opportunity to buy shares in facebook years ago. Mckay insist it will only take a minute or ten, its really important. Sheppard comes by and relieve the guard, he'll deal with it. Oh no! Rodney accidentally activated the time travel device, it could jump any second now but it could also blow up. John tell Rodney they have to get out of there before it happens, they can always build another one. But Rodney bring up the possibility that someone could end up finding it and change everything like, lets say a goa'uld or a replicator! They cant let that happen. They'll just have to ride it out and hope they can come back, soon_ish. Sheppard sits in the pilots chair while Rodney closes the door. It jumps.

The jumper reappears in free fall over the pacific ocean, 3 to 50 million years in the past. Sheppard regains control. Theres nothing but primitive life... something on the sensors... a stargate!?! A list of addresses appears on the HUD, strange.

What do we do?

What do you mean what do we do, we go back to our time thats what we do!

We cant, i have to run a bunch of diagnostics before we can even think about trying to go back. We obviously cant land without risking altering Earth development and the future...

Obviously... but how can you be sure we're in the past.

By looking at the continental formation, look!

...

Right.

Rodney. How far back did we go?

It doesnt matter...

RODNEY!

A few millions years or so.

Whoa! You gotta be kidding me...

Look it doesnt even matter... cause at the end of one of these addresses, theres ancients. And if anyone can help us get back before we're old and dead, its them.

And answer all the questions you ever had about all their tech...

Yeah well, win win so? Cmon!

Im gonna regret this.

The stargate is an early model but the jumper has no difficulty interacting with it, they select the first address, it dials and connect, they go through.

A well armed comity is waiting for them, among them, a surprised Amelius. Surprised that another advanced race lives in this galaxy but more that they were able to use his brand new gate network... with a ship that strangely fits perfectly through it. The puddle jumpers door open...

I used McKay and Sheppard but it could be anyone. You make a team adding two Alterans and hop you go on adventures until Amelius can fix the jumper or whatever. The tech of the jumper could even be what gave a leap in technology to the ancients and a new look. Making this whole story necessary in Alterans development. Paradoxes are fun. Meeting the Furlings, finally. The Asgard in a more human shape. The Nox same as before. The alliance of the 4 races could even end up Being Sheppard and Mckays "idea". The nice thing is, if you need to wrap up the series cause of cancellation, you just bring them back the same way, or not.

Anyway, thats my take on a new series.

[Snowman37]

I like this. 2 or 3 familiar characters stranded in the Ancient's past for a few years until their Time Jumper can be repaired. It's a simple concept, and it allows for a different take on Stargate. A prequel without being a prequel.