I know their suppose to live in a world where high born boys are given training in swordsmanship and archery from the best teachers from like the age of one..... but still come on. In our world the children of the wealthy are given the best intellectual education..... yet it's not like all our grate scientists are the children of millionaires
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I'm not buying this theory. Take People like Jaime Lannister, for example. He doesn't worry at all. It's like his primary character trait.
But taking what you meant rather than what you said... I still don't buy it. Most of the noblemen aren't great warriers objectively. But they're not only trained from an early age. They're the only ones with any training at all in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king and all that.sigpic
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Originally posted by Crazedwraith View PostMost of the noblemen aren't great warriers objectively
Robb Stark is a good fighter
Eddard Stark was a good fighter
Benjen Stark is a good fighter
Robert Baratheon was a good fighter
Jaime Lannister is a good fighter
Khal Drogo is a good fighter
Jorah Mormont is a good fighter
Theon Greyjoy is a good fighter (and attractive & powerful enough not to have to pay for it but that's another issue)
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Wow. All the main characters are good fighters? Who'd a thought it. You missed the objectively there. Yes the main character seem like good fighters mainly because the people they're fighting have had no training.
This is especially the case for Jon, who made mince meat out of the other boys in the night watch because he had training and they were peasant's who'd never seen a sword before.
plus we see noblemen who are not good fighters at all.
Samwell Tarly is not a good fighter.
Tommen Lannnister is not a good fighter.
Wilas Tyrel is not a good fighter.
Renly Baratheon is not a good fighter
Viserys Targaryen is not a good fighter
Aerys Targaryen is not a good fighter
Theon Greyjoy is a good Archer he's not as good at other stuff.
Taking the prequel story 'the hedge knight into account' you can add Daeron and Baleor's son as well who weren't good fighters.
eta: And on your list, Benjen being a good fighter is an assumption since the guy has no action scenes. He's first ranger but why he got that position we don't know. Mormont could just be sucking up to the Stark's who are the most loyal supporters of the Night Watch and since first ranger is a leadership role anyway. Well you can be a good leader without being a good fighter.
And for those of the older generation Robert/Eddard. They lived through a War. If they weren't good fighters they've be dead.Last edited by Crazedwraith; 20 March 2012, 01:59 PM.sigpic
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Originally posted by slimjim View PostJohn now is a good fighter
Robb Stark is a good fighter
Eddard Stark was a good fighter
Benjen Stark is a good fighter
Robert Baratheon was a good fighter
Jaime Lannister is a good fighter
Khal Drogo is a good fighter
Jorah Mormont is a good fighter
Theon Greyjoy is a good fighter (and attractive & powerful enough not to have to pay for it but that's another issue)
More to the point the nobles and knights make up a large number of the best fighters because as noted, they are the only ones who can afford decent equipment and training. If you're a poor peasant you can't hope to match them. Further if the nobles want to hold on to their power, they have to know how to fight, in the case of Drogo, he's Khal because of his strength and skill as a warrior.
That being said, there are plenty of decent fighters who aren’t nobles, Syrio Forel and Bronn could have killed most people on that list, with a couple of exceptions.
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Originally posted by Crazedwraith View PostYes the main character seem like good fighters mainly because the people they're fighting have had no training
Originally posted by Crazedwraith View PostSamwell Tarly is not a good fighter.
Tommen Lannnister is not a good fighter.
Wilas Tyrel is not a good fighter.
Renly Baratheon is not a good fighter
Viserys Targaryen is not a good fighter
Aerys Targaryen is not a good fighterLast edited by slimjim; 20 March 2012, 03:00 PM.
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All noblemen are trained in sword fighting since they are children. This is mentioned often and shouldn't come as a surprise. The system of governing is similar to the medieval system we know from our history, which also indicates the same thing - nobles and others with money and power were the ones trained in sparring.
I don't get the point of comparison to current times in our world. Its not like Obama became president for his ability to spar with a sword or shoot a gun. That's like asking why we don't burn women at the stake anymore for suspecting they are witches. Times change.sigpic
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Originally posted by Gen. Chris View PostPlot skill...Instead of plot armor (not that plot armor matters in this show, from what people have told me)
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