Michael Dorn (Worf) to make a star trek tv movie!!!

[The Urban Spaceman]

Wouldn't a "Worf" movie do insanely well? Who has seen Star Trek, but doesn't know who Worf is? Of those people, who doesn't like Worf? I think this is a great idea for a TV movie. Whether it will happen remains to be seen, though. I'll simply take the wait and see route, but I hope it happens. You know why I think it has merit? The plot is simple and doesn't rely on knowing the franchise.

The thing about Worf is that he needs other good characters to play off -- he's very good at providing an outsider's perspective, but I'm not sure how many of his crew-members would challenge his views if he was captain. Worf is a great character, but not on his own, and I fear he may overshadow other crew-members and become dull.

[Dazzle foot]

I have a feeling Tim Russ (tuvok) could be involved. He seems to love everything trek, and even gets involved in fan made videos.
I think the chemistry between Worf and Tuvok would work really well.

[Snowman37]

Just noticed, Worf gets shot down, or objected to in almost every TNG episode! I hope 'the new series' won't consist of more of this..... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs

Who says it's going to be a series? Dorn's proposing a TV movie.

The thing about Worf is that he needs other good characters to play off -- he's very good at providing an outsider's perspective, but I'm not sure how many of his crew-members would challenge his views if he was captain. Worf is a great character, but not on his own, and I fear he may overshadow other crew-members and become dull.

You raise good points. Ultimately, I think it depends on what his ship is, who his crew is, and who the ship is chasing after.

I have a feeling Tim Russ (tuvok) could be involved. He seems to love everything trek, and even gets involved in fan made videos.
I think the chemistry between Worf and Tuvok would work really well.

I would love to see these two together! It's a shame that mirror Tuvok did not pop up in later "mirror universe" episodes of DS9.

[knowles2]

Too many aliens. What about some HUMAN characters? How would Quark, Garak, and Rom fit in? Quark and Rom will be on DS9, and Garak is likely helping rebuild Cardassia. I really don't see how Brunt would fit in either, he only works in a Ferengi-themed episode. Now, bringing back Chancellor Martok? YES!
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Quark the accountant that tracks down the terrorist bank accounts. Rom the ones that shuts there Ferengi accounts down, Brunt the person that helps the terrorists hide their accounts and dodgy dealings on Ferengia. Garak provides the intelligence about the terrorists (they would have to be link to Cardassia and somehow a threat to Garak plan), Wolf the muscle that is suppose to scare them into surrendering.

They would make a great team, Wolf, Rom, Quark, Garak, the new characters can be the humans.

[Snowman37]

Honestly, I'd rather see TNG & VOY characters pop up than those from DS9.

[knowles2]

Honestly, I'd rather see TNG & VOY characters pop up than those from DS9.

I do not mind which characters are bought in, as long as they got a purpose. my previous post I just wanted to explain how those characters could fit in with the minor details that we know about the plot of the film.

You could easily fit other characters from other shows in that storyline, excluding the original series and enterprise (Star trek has more than enough movies about time travel).

Of cause you need characters that have some chemistry with each other.

[Dixie_Vampiress]

Um, people seem to be conveniently forgetting that scene in DS9's "Change Of Heart" where Sisko told Worf that it was unlikely that he'd ever receive a command after the events of that episode.

But anyway, I REALLY, REALLY hope this happens. Ever since I finished Deep Space Nine I've dying to know what happened after all that! I'd love a look into what the Alpha quadrant looks like after a major war. J.J. Abrams alternate timeline is ok and everything, but I'd hate it if that's all that's ever gonna be left of the franchise. We need something in the 25th century!

[Snowman37]

Um, people seem to be conveniently forgetting that scene in DS9's "Change Of Heart" where Sisko told Worf that it was unlikely that he'd ever receive a command after the events of that episode.

Unlikely, but no one ever said that Worf was banned from getting promoted to full Commander. Basically, he was going to have to earn that rank a lot harder, but it wouldn't be impossible.

Ever since I finished Deep Space Nine I've dying to know what happened after all that! I'd love a look into what the Alpha quadrant looks like after a major war.

Some DS9 characters may pop up, but if you expect this little TV movie to deal with DS9 aftermath, you're going to be sorely disappointed. It's more likely that this will be an independent story about Worf's new command and crew. A familiar face or two, but probably via small roles, and certainly not cameos galore.

We need something in the 25th century!

This is why Star Trek went off the air. It stopped telling intellectual stories in favor of being self absorbed. Why did people avoid DS9 and ENT? They avoided both shows, because it was all about Federation this, Starfleet that. People don't care about the fictional world, they just want to sit down and be entertained for an hour. TOS, TNG, & VOY succeeded her. DS9 & ENT, not so much. I like both shows, and I'm not putting down their quality, I'm just saying they weren't accessible to the general public.

[The Urban Spaceman]

Why did people avoid DS9 and ENT?

You may have missed the 'DS9 superior' thread. Over a thousand pages of people telling you why they prefer DS9 over any other Trek show. It was much less Starfleet-centric than TNG. It took place on a Cardassian station, in Bajoran territory, and involved a hell of a lot of Dominion-heavy episodes. It went into far more detail about Bajoran, Klingon, Cardassion and Dominion culture than TNG ever did for any of its cultures, as TNG was mainly episodic and lacked DS9's large story arc.

[knowles2]

Um, people seem to be conveniently forgetting that scene in DS9's "Change Of Heart" where Sisko told Worf that it was unlikely that he'd ever receive a command after the events of that episode.

But anyway, I REALLY, REALLY hope this happens. Ever since I finished Deep Space Nine I've dying to know what happened after all that! I'd love a look into what the Alpha quadrant looks like after a major war. J.J. Abrams alternate timeline is ok and everything, but I'd hate it if that's all that's ever gonna be left of the franchise. We need something in the 25th century!

Martok

His Mr/Mrs UFP president, How is your day

UFP president

Going fine, apart from the eight hour meeting the Ferrengi ambassador

Martok

Cool. I got a favour to aks

UFP President


Yes

Martok

Wolf grown bored of being an ambassador and want is own Starfleet ship and would like a few things in his past not to get in the way, we be best of friends forever if you did this

UFP President

I will see what I can do.

Martok

Thanks, I owe you one.


I am sure Wolf could also get Picard and call in a few other favours as well.

[Snowman37]

You may have missed the 'DS9 superior' thread. Over a thousand pages of people telling you why they prefer DS9 over any other Trek show.

I'm talking about ratings and the 1993-99 TV audience. At the time the show was on, a lot of people who loved TOS and TNG simply passed on DS9, because of the space station setting. GateWorld's forum is comprised of science-fiction fans, a minority in the television audience, and thus hardly representative of the show's actual audience. I myself didn't start watching the show regularly until Worf joined the cast, and even then, I only paid attention when it was a "Worf centric" episode. I didn't get into DS9 itself until the two-parter where Worf was captured by the Dominion. It was then that I really got into the show, stuck with it regularly, and then went back to watch the older episodes.

It was much less Starfleet-centric than TNG. It took place on a Cardassian station, in Bajoran territory, and involved a hell of a lot of Dominion-heavy episodes. It went into far more detail about Bajoran, Klingon, Cardassion and Dominion culture than TNG ever did for any of its cultures, as TNG was mainly episodic and lacked DS9's large story arc.

This is why DS9 excelled with science-fiction fans, but it's also why it failed to pull in a large audience as TNG did. Granted, I think a big problem DS9 suffered from was simply being that other Star Trek show. It was #2 to TNG, then VOY replaced TNG, and DS9 continued to be #2. Most people I know who like Star Trek, but not to the extent of being a fan; loved TOS, TNG, & VOY to a lesser extent. If I asked them about DS9 or ENT, they wouldn't know what I was talking about.

Knowles2 makes a good point. Worf made Gowron Chancellor of the Klingon Empire, and Worf almost got the role himself. I think any colossal mistakes Worf made in the past would be swept under the carpet by now.

[The Urban Spaceman]

I'm talking about ratings and the 1993-99 TV audience. At the time the show was on, a lot of people who loved TOS and TNG simply passed on DS9, because of the space station setting. GateWorld's forum is comprised of science-fiction fans, a minority in the television audience, and thus hardly representative of the show's actual audience. I myself didn't start watching the show regularly until Worf joined the cast, and even then, I only paid attention when it was a "Worf centric" episode. I didn't get into DS9 itself until the two-parter where Worf was captured by the Dominion. It was then that I really got into the show, stuck with it regularly, and then went back to watch the older episodes.

Yes, but just because you didn't care much about it until Worf got involved, doesn't mean that everybody didn't care about it until Worf got involved. Also, I suspect, the audience demographic is mutable from place to place -- what is popular in one country is not always popular in another, and for every person who states, as you do, "most people prefer TNG and VOY" there will be a person who states "most people prefer DS9" or "most people prefer TNG and DS9". For example, a lot of people I know can't stand Voyager, but that doesn't necessarily make it true for the majority.

Consider ratings, for example. IMDB gives the user/critic rating of TNG as 8.6 -- Pretty good. DS9 comes in second with 7.9. Also not bad. Voyager? 7.4.

These ratings speak objectively for themselves, unlike you, who speak subjectively: "I myself didn't start watching until..." "I only paid attention when it was..." "I didn't get into DS9..." "It was then that I really got into the show..."

You also have to consider that TNG is always going to be more popular with "the masses" than DS9, VOY or ENT. Picard is iconic. The Enterprise is iconic. It's set on the Federation's flag-ship, exploring space and new cultures. But then again, I believe that Sex and the City and Desperate Housewives are pretty popular with "the masses". Just because something is popular does not automatically make it good. Just look at Britney Spears.

(I'm not saying that TNG is bad -- rather, that when considering the quality of a show, you have to look at a number of factors: the writing, the acting, the setting, the sets and the props, and sometimes you need to pay less attention to how many other people are watching it)

This is why DS9 excelled with science-fiction fans, but it's also why it failed to pull in a large audience as TNG did. Granted, I think a big problem DS9 suffered from was simply being that other Star Trek show. It was #2 to TNG, then VOY replaced TNG, and DS9 continued to be #2. Most people I know who like Star Trek, but not to the extent of being a fan; loved TOS, TNG, & VOY to a lesser extent. If I asked them about DS9 or ENT, they wouldn't know what I was talking about.

Funny. Many people I know love TNG, and they'll happily watch the latter half of the Voyager series. But if you ask them to name any character other than 7of9, they'll really struggle.

Knowles2 makes a good point. Worf made Gowron Chancellor of the Klingon Empire, and Worf almost got the role himself. I think any colossal mistakes Worf made in the past would be swept under the carpet by now.

Whilst the Enterprise did play some part in helping Gowron to become chancellor, Worf himself made Martok Chancellor -- he killed Gowron.

[Snowman37]

Yes, but just because you didn't care much about it until Worf got involved, doesn't mean that everybody didn't care about it until Worf got involved. Also, I suspect, the audience demographic is mutable from place to place -- what is popular in one country is not always popular in another, and for every person who states, as you do, "most people prefer TNG and VOY" there will be a person who states "most people prefer DS9" or "most people prefer TNG and DS9". For example, a lot of people I know can't stand Voyager, but that doesn't necessarily make it true for the majority.

I never said that I represent everyone. That's a foolish interpretation of my words. What is popular in another country is irrelevant. During the 1993-99 TV run, it was the American audience that would decide whether DS9 would be renewed each season. When I say most people prefer TNG and VOY, I am speaking from an American perspective, and I am excluding science-fiction nerds who are a TV audience minority. Before you go over-analyzing my post again, let me make it clear that I am simply stating observations. If you want to argue facts, dig up television neislon ratings data from 1993-1999. That will prove whether more people were watching which show during the TNG/DS9 years and during the DS9/VOY years.

Consider ratings, for example. IMDB gives the user/critic rating of TNG as 8.6 -- Pretty good. DS9 comes in second with 7.9. Also not bad. Voyager? 7.4.

I don't care about IMDB ratings. When I brought up DS9's popularity, it was in regards to the original 1993-99 television run. Present day IMDB ratings do not correlate.

These ratings speak objectively for themselves...

IMDB, objective? Ha ha ha ha!!!

You also have to consider that TNG is always going to be more popular with "the masses" than DS9, VOY or ENT. Picard is iconic. The Enterprise is iconic. It's set on the Federation's flag-ship, exploring space and new cultures.

You're pretty much proved my point. The simpler the premise, the more unique the characters, the more likely it is for the TV show to soar in ratings.

(I'm not saying that TNG is bad -- rather, that when considering the quality of a show, you have to look at a number of factors: the writing, the acting, the setting, the sets and the props, and sometimes you need to pay less attention to how many other people are watching it)

Based on this criteria, I'd still argue that TNG and VOY were superior to DS9.

Funny. Many people I know love TNG, and they'll happily watch the latter half of the Voyager series. But if you ask them to name any character other than 7of9, they'll really struggle.

I'd say that's a fair assessment.

Whilst the Enterprise did play some part in helping Gowron to become chancellor, Worf himself made Martok Chancellor -- he killed Gowron.

I meant Martok. I haven't seen DS9's finale since 1999.

[blueray]

You may have missed the 'DS9 superior' thread. Over a thousand pages of people telling you why they prefer DS9 over any other Trek show. It was much less Starfleet-centric than TNG. It took place on a Cardassian station, in Bajoran territory, and involved a hell of a lot of Dominion-heavy episodes. It went into far more detail about Bajoran, Klingon, Cardassion and Dominion culture than TNG ever did for any of its cultures, as TNG was mainly episodic and lacked DS9's large story arc.

you forgot the ferengi, it went in pretty deep with their culture as well .

i agree with the idea that worf needs other characters with him. i personally didn't like him when he first came on to ds9 (though he did grow on me), and i liked him in the few tng episodes i did watch. i think it was because he didn't really fit with the show. and responding to a post above, i was the complete opposite. most worf centric episodes i'll got bored and began fast-forwarding, that being said as the seasons went on and he became involved in major storylines (and Jedzia who i did like) i began to like and care what happens to him. without the other characters and his relationship with them, i'll simply not care. so hopefully if this movie happens there are other strong characters (preferably ones from the other shows).

[The Urban Spaceman]

Yeah, I was actually walking to work after I'd made that post and though "Doh, I forgot about the Ferengi!"

Easily done, the poor little guys are so easily overlooked. Zek remains, however, one of my favourite characters to date. I just love that little giggle of his.

[Fan-e-Gate]

I'd like to see some kind of Trek TV movie, but it should also include a few other characters from the TNG/DS9/VOY era. I have no interest in seeing "The Worf Show."

[QuantumIguana]

I'd be all in favor of more Star Trek in the Prime universe. I really like the idea of doing it on a budget, the cost of making science fiction can get prohibitive. Throwing money at the problem is one way to make a good looking show, but I believe you can make good looking science fiction without a blank check. You just have to be more clever about it.

I think that Trek has to move forward. I could see Worf as captain, but on the whole, the show has to move forward. There can be cameos, but I wouldn't try to fill the roles with characters from previous shows.

[Snowman37]

Keep in mind, this is just a TV movie, not a new TV show. That said, I pretty much agree with your assessment. That said, I don't want to see a low-budget TV movie either. If it can look at least as good as one of DS9's Defiant-based episodes, I'd be content.