Finished SGU: So, is that it?

[blueray]

The entire franchise is over, no reboot's gonna happen unless Devlin does it. Or a fan film like ST: Of Gods and Men(better than the 09 movie Abrams made).

that would be awesome. especially if they could get some (or all) of the cast back to play their characters, which i think most of them would do. though i can see this working better with the sg-1 or sga cast.

[Mnikolic]

If it's not too much to ask, please share your version of the ending(better than nothing).

Well, I would have SGU go on like this:

S3:
Destiny suddenly drops out of the FTL, presumably after only a month after the events in "Gauntlet". All systems turn back on and the ship automatically makes the entire crew wake up, except for Park. Eli tries to make the ship go back into FTL by rerouting power from the shuttle to Destiny's main systems, however, Rush stops him and says that they need to go trough the Stargate to a planet that's nearby, but doesn't tell Eli why. Young sends his team trough the Stargate after Rush gives him a note. The team returns with a (still) fully functional power source, which is later confirmed to be compatible with Destiny's systems. The power source increases the power of the ship's sheilds, although the damaged isolated parts of the ship still need to be fixed. The ship drops back into FTL and Rush explains that he has known about the planet with the power source from the ships's databanks for months, he just wasn't sure if they were going to make it to the planet due to their encounters with the L. Alliance, the blue aliens and the drones. He deleted the data from the databanks to keep it safe and as a last and only option, should Destiny come into the situation it had come into. No-one thinks much of his explanation, however, everyone is suspecting that Rush is hiding something again. The rest of the season features the Destiny in multiple encounters with the drones, but suffers very little damage, thanks to increased power of the sheilds, Young's team visiting multiple planets and conveniantly finding more similar power sources, eventually enabling the crew to finally dial Earth.

S4:
In a large battle, the drones are heavily damaged thanks to another misterious ship's sudden appereance and (the drones) retreive for the time being. Before the crew can contact the misterious ship, it drops into FTL, but Eli does receive a message on one of Destiny's consoles that reads ''We'll meet again... See you soon". Meanwhile, the crew, thanks to the previously found power sources, is able to get the so much desired aid and help from the Earth. Daniel and McKay visit the crew on the Destiny and retreive one of the still unused power sources and take it back to Earth. S4 also concludes the blue aliens/Chloe storyline and it is also finally revealed what happened to TJ's baby. However, the "right" people still can't be brought into "the game" (for some reason).

S5:
Park finally wakes up, only to find out that she is the last one to be awakened. Eli finds out that Destiny had kept Park asleep in order to cure her so she could see again. A couple of hours after being awakened, Park's vision returns to her. Meanwhile, thanks to the power source that Daniel and McKay retreived from the ship, the Earth, with the help of an ancient civilization, was able to develop advanced technology and is able to dial Destiny without any issues, no matter where in the universe the ship currently is. It's eventually revealed that the ancient civilization that Earth has worked with has something to do with the misterious ship that helped the Destiny beat the drones in their last encounter. And who's on the ship? The same people that went trough the unstable wormhole in "Twin Destinies". Somehow, they managed to survive the wormhole jumping and evacuate to a planet, on which they found some advanced technology and the misterious ship that saved Destiny once. Eventually, they came in contact with the same ancient civilization Earth has been working with and it's soon revealed that it was all "ment to be". (All of that take place within the first 10-12-13 episodes of the final season). After that (in 2 or 3 episodes), the rest of the running sub-plots are resolved, if any are left from the previous seasons. In the last few episodes of the series, the crew from the misterious ship meets their versions on the Destiny and everyone is shocked that they've been saved by themselves. Without any explanation, the misterious ship's crew members reveal to "our" crew their history and knowledge and that they'll be aiding them in the final battle against the drones. That battle starts right before the two-part series finale. The series finale goes like this: the misterious ship's crew sacrifice their ship (and themselves) to beat the drones, thus enabling the Destiny and its crew to escape to the FTL and finally head for their home - the Earth. The Destiny lands somewhere on Earth and the crew members finally return to their normal lives. Rush finally reveals how he found out about the planet that enabled the crew to find the first power source: thanks to thier time in the stasis pods, his bran was able to process a small portion of information from the ancient chair and was able to lead them to the planets with more power sources. The last scenes of the series show a fully fixed Destiny, with the "right" people inside (which are essentially counterparts of our characters), flying trough space, looking for a way to complete its journey.

SGU Movie:
The "right" Deetiny crew returns home for some unknown reason. However, everyone at SG command soon notices that the members of the crew are acting very strange. Eventually, they found out that the L. Alliance has been reformed once again and that the new members have hijacked the Destiny, sent the "right" crew home and that the Alliance is planning on counquering entire Galaxies by using the knowledge (and power) that Destiny has. This development of events forces General O' Neill to summon the original crew and to save the ship, built by the Ancients. In the movie, the ship is explored, but luckily, thanks to the devotion of some members of SG-1 & Atlantis teams and the original Destiny crew who re-hijacks the Destiny, the L. Alliance is once again defeated and this time, broken for good. The Destiny returns the crew home once again and disappeares into FTL. One year later, during an SG mission, one of the SG teams finds the ship on a deserted planet, with its systems shut down completely. Daniel walks into the ship and lets someone know trough the radio: "It's here. It appears to be undamaged. I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon!". The voice that responds, says: "Ok, head back. It's over...".

That's all I've got. Very few filler episodes, just the pure, but expected science-fiction Stargate stuff. Character developments and growths would be done during arc episodes and the episodes would run approx. 50 minutes to full hour. The movie would be two and a half hours long.

[Brother Freyr]

Wow! Thanks for sharing your ideas, Mnikolic.

I'd be satisfied with a novel to finish out the story. It was going somewhere very interesting and it sucks that I'll never get to see it.

^^This^^

The writers/creators obviously had an idea of where they wanted to take the story, especially regarding the "message" or structure in the background radiation from the Big Bang. I'd devour a novel that follows the plans they had.

I'd be somewhat mollified if they simply granted a Gateworld interview and shared whatever they'd sketched for the future.

[rushy]

You mentioned that the mysterious ship is crewed by "the same people who went through the unstable wormhole in Twin Destinies". But that's impossible, they all died of old age on Novus.

[Mnikolic]

I ment the ones that went trough the unstable wormhole. And that was a lot of them, if I recall correctly. It was mentioned that they "didn't make it to Earth and that Telford was the only one to make it trough befpre the wormhole jumped", which indicates that all those folks probably survived, just ended up on a different location on a different planet in a different Galaxy. Maybe the Anicients had foreseen the events in the "Twin Destinies" episode somehow and put a security tweak in Destiny's system and Satrgate. I'm thinking that would happen thanks to an ancient coutnerpart of Rush. So by having the misterious ship destroyed, a lot of problems are resolved.

Besides, it wouldn't make sense keeping the crew from the misterious ship around, since the timeline had already been changed by the future Rush and in the new timeline, a dial to Earth wasn't even attempted.

[jeri]

I ment the ones that went trough the unstable wormhole. And that was a lot of them, if I recall correctly. It was mentioned that they "didn't make it to Earth and that Telford was the only one to make it trough befpre the wormhole jumped", which indicates that all those folks probably survived, just ended up on a different location on a different planet in a different Galaxy. Maybe the Anicients had foreseen the events in the "Twin Destinies" episode somehow and put a security tweak in Destiny's system and Satrgate. I'm thinking that would happen thanks to an ancient coutnerpart of Rush. So by having the misterious ship destroyed, a lot of problems are resolved.

Besides, it wouldn't make sense keeping the crew from the misterious ship around, since the timeline had already been changed by the future Rush and in the new timeline, a dial to Earth wasn't even attempted.

The unstable wormhole is what sent the crew back 2000 years in time and they founded Novus. These people were everyone except Rush.

[rushy]

The unstable wormhole is what sent the crew back 2000 years in time and they founded Novus. These people were everyone except Rush.

Rush and Telford. And that's exactly what I'm trying to say, we KNOW what happened to the alternate future Destiny crew. They went through the unstable wormhole to a desert planet 2000 years back in time and the Novus civilization are their descendants. THEY ALL DIED OF OLD AGE.

[jeri]

Rush and Telford. And that's exactly what I'm trying to say, we KNOW what happened to the alternate future Destiny crew. They went through the unstable wormhole to a desert planet 2000 years back in time and the Novus civilization are their descendants. THEY ALL DIED OF OLD AGE.

Opps! Telford, yes.

I think Mnikolic needs to do a rewatch.

[Mnikolic]

Oh, I forogt about the Novus storyline. Anyway, I used the unstable Wormhole thing to make my own ending, because having people travel 2000 years back in time is just boring, stupid and has been done like a billion times before, and not just on any of the Stargate series. I guess I could solve my mistake like this:

I would have the Novus storyline completely changed by adding/replacing some elements to it:

Eli, going trough the archives, retreived from Novus, discovers that something doesn't end up. He finds out that the history data in the archives had been altered by someone. He comes up with evidence of cloning in the archives. Eventually, he finds out that the Novus colony is reveald to be a fake colony and their fake history is a part of the fraud that the colony has come up with. They deliberately destoryed their own planet in order to change the destinies of their ancestors on Destiny by having them repeat the history they've gone trough. It is also revealed that the Novus people are also clones, who turned against their creators, destroyed them and planned to destroy the Destiny. However, the clones had convinced themselves that they are their creators and that their history is real, during their planning of their crime, which made them forget about the crime completely. The origins of the creators of the clones: the Earth from another dimension, which means, that the Novus Destiny crew are actually from a different dimension, just with similar backgrounds.

This resolves the mistake in my take of SGU's ending. It places the people that entered the unstable wormhole exactly where I placed them in my take of seasons 4 and 5.

Opps! Telford, yes.

I think Mnikolic needs to do a rewatch.

Actually, I'm planning to re-watch all of the 3 series.

P.S.: I didn't forget about Telford. I remember that he made it trough and back to Earth. I also know that Rush 2 killed Telford from the Rush 2 timeline (if I remember that correctly). But Telford is still alive, which means no Telford or Rush on the misterious ship team. Rush would be on Destiny with the rest of the crew and Telford would be back home, on Eath. Future Rush - dead, as seen in the series.

[Coremae]

Even though season 1 mostly sucked with a few exceptions, and season 2 was mostly good, with a few exceptions, the greatest enemy the SGC series has, is the writers and creators of SGU themselves. Not saying they're bad writers, but their delivery was stale, predictable and uninteresting; they continually wrote the same type of stories that was explored fully in SG1 and was expanded upon in SGA. If something is fresh hip and amazing, you wouldn't need the pleas of fans to bring it back to the airwaves. Lost was going nowhere fast, then they introduced Jacob and the Man in black, and suddenly everybody wanted themselves a bit of Lost. And that's even considering the Purgatory bit of it (which in my opinion made Lost even more amazing, even if, it was executed in a dull way).

Joe Mallozzi is an amazing writer, and I'm honored to be one of those he has responded to from time to time on his website, and even more so, Joe is incredibly amazing to even have a website, which is his means of interacting with the fans. But I think, he's to Stargate what Stephen DeKnight was to Smallville, and the powers that be of both series stifled the wild child among them.

Will they bring back SGU, I doubt it, but MGM will revisit their second largest money maker, second only to the James Bond series.


EDIT: SG1 showed us some amazing things, and SGA somewhat continued that trend, so coming from all of those amazing highs, SGU was an incredible let down. When one is walking a tightrope imagining that any moment they could fall ten thousand feet to their doom, should it not be in their best interest to imagine they can fly, or at best, is indestructible even if they were to fall. SGU, may not be coming back, and that is sad to consider, but from what I've seen, tptb wants to do more of the same if they were to return---no thank you.

[Mnikolic]

I agree. SGU was a great series and had potential, the plot was good, but was executed wrongly. Personally, I think that the writers should've just come up with a deal with MGM to make an SG-1/Atlantis combo series after Atlantis ended so they could at least finish the planned movies and maybe even finish all stories they were going to visit in the future movies. Once they would've done that, they could still move onto SGU.

Personally, I think that the producers held off the Atlantis and SG-1 movies (Extinction, Revolution) for far too long. They should've made them after SGU S1 was ended. I don't know why they absolutely NEEDED the movies to be "direct to DVD", they could've released the movies as movie specials on TV and be done with them.

[rushy]

I really hope no one ever remakes the mistake of Darkness/Light(Absolutely NOTHING happened in that two-parter, it was like real life)

[Mnikolic]

And I hope no one else re-casts a character just for one episode if they can't get the original actress to re-play the part, like they did with Elizabeth Wier in Stargate Atlantis S5.
That episode was HORRIBLE. I wished they would have never done that episode. Besides, it wasted vaulable episode space - instead of the episode with re-casted Wier, they could have done a proper finale, but instead, we got what is now known as "Vegas" and "Enemy and the Gate".

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

I loved "Darkness/Light" they were two of the best episodes of season 1. They were tense, tight, and realistic episodes that expanded on the natural difficuties they were going to have aboard ship and greatly expanded their knowledge of how the ship operates.

[rushy]

I loved "Darkness/Light" they were two of the best episodes of season 1. They were tense, tight, and realistic episodes that expanded on the natural difficuties they were going to have aboard ship and greatly expanded their knowledge of how the ship operates.

Well, that's your opinion. I didn't like it(except for Rush's breakdown).

[Mnikolic]

Come to think of it, I liked those episodes too. However, the stories in those episodes should've been done trough multi-episode arcs. I think what SGU was missing was a villain. It would allow the writers to make the series even better, while keeping the seriousness of SGU.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Mnil,

At that point the need to survive was paramount. Throwing a villian into the mix would have been too much, in my opinion.

[Mnikolic]

I agree, but a show like Stargate CAN'T go on for long without a main villain. I LOVED SGU AS IT WAS, but there should definitely be more Stargate and Sci-Fi stuff involved in the series, like more space battles and definitely visits to more planets by the Destiny crew, on which they would meet new/more civilizations.

A serious-themed Stargate series? Sure, why not. But taking away the villain part was a BIG mistake in my opinion. Of course, I might be wrong.

In August, I plan to re-watch all 3 series, including movies and I'll let everyone know if my opinion has changed after re-watching Stargate SG-1/Atlanits/Universe.

[Zombies Rise from the Sea]

I agree, but a show like Stargate CAN'T go on for long without a main villain. I LOVED SGU AS IT WAS, but there should definitely be more Stargate and Sci-Fi stuff involved in the series, like more space battles and definitely visits to more planets by the Destiny crew, on which they would meet new/more civilizations.

A serious-themed Stargate series? Sure, why not. But taking away the villain part was a BIG mistake in my opinion. Of course, I might be wrong.

I think adding a villian would of detracted from all of the serious stuff SGU was trying to do, I mean they were in an unknown universe, there are worlds and aliens and even natural events out there the likes of which they've never seen. While there were some enemies, and planet visits; adding even more planets, enemies and even space battles would of made it more like an edgier Stargate with flawed characters rather then the unknown-exploration character drama ultimate purpose mystery show that SGU tried to be; especially if you add in the ability to communicate and go back and forwarth from Earth; it would of ruined the whole intentions that the crew was supposed to be on the ship for something more and if they're able to just leave the ship and enter it at will then just imagine what it'd do for the dynamic of the show. There would be nothing regarding the characters growing, nothing regarding the purpose of the mission and it would of diluted the whole "ultimate mission" thing that Destiny had going on.

What I wanted from SGU was something that was a character drama that involved the metaphorical, the true unknown, the mystery, the stuff that questions our perception of things, discussions regarding the true purpose vs. their desires. The idea behind the show is great, I have noted many times that it has potential and just think; the people that are out there, the planets that they encounter, the civilizations that may or may not be there, everything that connected to the ancients and ultimately Destiny itself. The aliens that don't look like generic sci-fi aliens, the aliens that look like a truly imaginative and unique mind created them, a society that doesn't seem hostile but more different yet normal at the same time. Sci-Fi exists so that shows like this can exploit it, there are thousands of things that the mind perceives, that they can put up in either a novel, a TV show or a movie. Those things could reflect the future of humanity, others how technology plays a part in lives, the rest, something that ultimately translates to a suggestion of life with sci-fi trappings. There are just so many clever, metaphorical and logical stuff sci-fi can do. The problem I have with SGU is that the writers didn't exactly know how to make the series they wanted, they flipped flopped between various things, whether to be edgy, whether to include a lot of action and whether or not to include stuff like space battles, their take on sci-fi plots and stuff that happens on Earth; they tried to work something out regarding the characters, the Destiny, the universe and the mystery at hand but most of it came out as weak attempts at drama combined with conflicts and fights that deterred their characters more then they grew. I'm not doubting the writers of the show in general, they managed to make good stuff; it's just that they didn't have a clear idea or a grasp on how to make a Stargate series that still tied into the mythology while being radically different at the same time; exploring concepts that SG1 and SGA could never explore in their lifetimes.

They were wise enough not to include a villain, not to include the usual tricks that preceding SG series had and even the space battles seem scarse. If there was one thing they did right, it's that they didn't rely on the SG formula this time around and though the Lucian Alliance was as close to an enemy SGU got, they didn't even play a major part in the series. The creators knew that having them be able to easily go home to earth, having space battles and having them visit alot of civilizations with living people would of diluted the intentions that the series creator had. Keep in mind that SG1 was originally about exploration and getting out of sticky situations, that didn't overly involve space battles or even a sense that Earth was able to easily help them (that came later in the season when their fleet is fully built and the SG formula changed radically.); to include that stuff into SGU would of made it into a Stargate series without a lot of the goofy stuff and with more serious stuff and that would of been even more disappointing then what we got.

[garhkal]

Well, I would have SGU go on like this:

S3:
Destiny suddenly drops out of the FTL, presumably after only a month after the events in "Gauntlet". All systems turn back on and the ship automatically makes the entire crew wake up, except for Park. Eli tries to make the ship go back into FTL by rerouting power from the shuttle to Destiny's main systems, however, Rush stops him and says that they need to go trough the Stargate to a planet that's nearby, but doesn't tell Eli why. Young sends his team trough the Stargate after Rush gives him a note. The team returns with a (still) fully functional power source, which is later confirmed to be compatible with Destiny's systems. The power source increases the power of the ship's sheilds, although the damaged isolated parts of the ship still need to be fixed. The ship drops back into FTL and Rush explains that he has known about the planet with the power source from the ships's databanks for months, he just wasn't sure if they were going to make it to the planet due to their encounters with the L. Alliance, the blue aliens and the drones. He deleted the data from the databanks to keep it safe and as a last and only option, should Destiny come into the situation it had come into. No-one thinks much of his explanation, however, everyone is suspecting that Rush is hiding something again. The rest of the season features the Destiny in multiple encounters with the drones, but suffers very little damage, thanks to increased power of the sheilds, Young's team visiting multiple planets and conveniantly finding more similar power sources, eventually enabling the crew to finally dial Earth.

S4:
In a large battle, the drones are heavily damaged thanks to another misterious ship's sudden appereance and (the drones) retreive for the time being. Before the crew can contact the misterious ship, it drops into FTL, but Eli does receive a message on one of Destiny's consoles that reads ''We'll meet again... See you soon". Meanwhile, the crew, thanks to the previously found power sources, is able to get the so much desired aid and help from the Earth. Daniel and McKay visit the crew on the Destiny and retreive one of the still unused power sources and take it back to Earth. S4 also concludes the blue aliens/Chloe storyline and it is also finally revealed what happened to TJ's baby. However, the "right" people still can't be brought into "the game" (for some reason).

S5:
Park finally wakes up, only to find out that she is the last one to be awakened. Eli finds out that Destiny had kept Park asleep in order to cure her so she could see again. A couple of hours after being awakened, Park's vision returns to her. Meanwhile, thanks to the power source that Daniel and McKay retreived from the ship, the Earth, with the help of an ancient civilization, was able to develop advanced technology and is able to dial Destiny without any issues, no matter where in the universe the ship currently is. It's eventually revealed that the ancient civilization that Earth has worked with has something to do with the misterious ship that helped the Destiny beat the drones in their last encounter. And who's on the ship? The same people that went trough the unstable wormhole in "Twin Destinies". Somehow, they managed to survive the wormhole jumping and evacuate to a planet, on which they found some advanced technology and the misterious ship that saved Destiny once. Eventually, they came in contact with the same ancient civilization Earth has been working with and it's soon revealed that it was all "ment to be". (All of that take place within the first 10-12-13 episodes of the final season). After that (in 2 or 3 episodes), the rest of the running sub-plots are resolved, if any are left from the previous seasons. In the last few episodes of the series, the crew from the misterious ship meets their versions on the Destiny and everyone is shocked that they've been saved by themselves. Without any explanation, the misterious ship's crew members reveal to "our" crew their history and knowledge and that they'll be aiding them in the final battle against the drones. That battle starts right before the two-part series finale. The series finale goes like this: the misterious ship's crew sacrifice their ship (and themselves) to beat the drones, thus enabling the Destiny and its crew to escape to the FTL and finally head for their home - the Earth. The Destiny lands somewhere on Earth and the crew members finally return to their normal lives. Rush finally reveals how he found out about the planet that enabled the crew to find the first power source: thanks to thier time in the stasis pods, his bran was able to process a small portion of information from the ancient chair and was able to lead them to the planets with more power sources. The last scenes of the series show a fully fixed Destiny, with the "right" people inside (which are essentially counterparts of our characters), flying trough space, looking for a way to complete its journey.

SGU Movie:
The "right" Deetiny crew returns home for some unknown reason. However, everyone at SG command soon notices that the members of the crew are acting very strange. Eventually, they found out that the L. Alliance has been reformed once again and that the new members have hijacked the Destiny, sent the "right" crew home and that the Alliance is planning on counquering entire Galaxies by using the knowledge (and power) that Destiny has. This development of events forces General O' Neill to summon the original crew and to save the ship, built by the Ancients. In the movie, the ship is explored, but luckily, thanks to the devotion of some members of SG-1 & Atlantis teams and the original Destiny crew who re-hijacks the Destiny, the L. Alliance is once again defeated and this time, broken for good. The Destiny returns the crew home once again and disappeares into FTL. One year later, during an SG mission, one of the SG teams finds the ship on a deserted planet, with its systems shut down completely. Daniel walks into the ship and lets someone know trough the radio: "It's here. It appears to be undamaged. I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon!". The voice that responds, says: "Ok, head back. It's over...".

That's all I've got. Very few filler episodes, just the pure, but expected science-fiction Stargate stuff. Character developments and growths would be done during arc episodes and the episodes would run approx. 50 minutes to full hour. The movie would be two and a half hours long.

Not bad.. though these aliens in that ship,, who would be the decendants would totally ignore/re-write the entire Novus backdrop from the eps 17-18 of season 2.

Eli, going trough the archives, retreived from Novus, discovers that something doesn't end up. He finds out that the history data in the archives had been altered by someone. He comes up with evidence of cloning in the archives. Eventually, he finds out that the Novus colony is reveald to be a fake colony and their fake history is a part of the fraud that the colony has come up with. They deliberately destoryed their own planet in order to change the destinies of their ancestors on Destiny by having them repeat the history they've gone trough. It is also revealed that the Novus people are also clones, who turned against their creators, destroyed them and planned to destroy the Destiny. However, the clones had convinced themselves that they are their creators and that their history is real, during their planning of their crime, which made them forget about the crime completely. The origins of the creators of the clones: the Earth from another dimension, which means, that the Novus Destiny crew are actually from a different dimension, just with similar backgrounds.

Which if they are clones,they would have the same issue of diminishing returns the Asgard had.

I really hope no one ever remakes the mistake of Darkness/Light(Absolutely NOTHING happened in that two-parter, it was like real life)

I loved that 2 parter.. It was our first hint at the greatness that the destiny ship is.. plus it had some great character development for wray, rush and young.