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    Default could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    I figure it's OK for me to bring this up because the show actually did for once

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by slimjim View Post
    I figure it's OK for me to bring this up because the show actually did for once
    If you consider that English changed dramatically on Earth...it makes one wonder. However, on Earth we have other languages to influence the development of English.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Spoken English didn't appear to have changed much, but written English did.

    I think it was in 'Blockage' where they went to a planet which Novas inhabitants had abandoned, which had buildings with fractured English signs on them.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanith0709 View Post
    Spoken English didn't appear to have changed much, but written English did.

    I think it was in 'Blockage' where they went to a planet which Novas inhabitants had abandoned, which had buildings with fractured English signs on them.
    Spoken English hasn't changed much??

    This is the Lord's Prayer in Old English (1000 AD)

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    The Lord's Prayer in Middle English (Chaucer's time...)


    In just 1000 years...the English language has changed tremendously.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Maybe English was all that they were able to hold onto for so long and thus was the thing most kept the same.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    it did tho remember written on paper was Atak from memory

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by LT. COL. John Sheppard View Post
    it did tho remember written on paper was Atak from memory
    I'm remembering something similar.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Blockade i think it was SGU S2 one of the last ones

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by LtColCarter View Post
    Spoken English hasn't changed much??

    This is the Lord's Prayer in Old English (1000 AD)
    he was taking about novus not earth

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by slimjim View Post
    he was taking about novus not earth
    And? Language would still change and grow. The reason English didnt change, was because the TPTB were not going to create an entirely new one or theorise about the possible evolution of the English Language 2000 years down the line. The written stuff we saw was (most likely) to at least give the feel of change in all that time without making it completely alien, because alien is probably what you'd get in 2000 years. Isolation will have the effect that foreign words wont find their way in (though with the Chinese toast i'd say some foreign words would have found their way in, especially with whatever languages the LA folks spoke) like they do with our languages on Earth. The English language would still grow and change.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    And? Language would still change and grow. The reason English didnt change, was because the TPTB were not going to create an entirely new one or theorise about the possible evolution of the English Language 2000 years down the line. The written stuff we saw was (most likely) to at least give the feel of change in all that time without making it completely alien, because alien is probably what you'd get in 2000 years. Isolation will have the effect that foreign words wont find their way in (though with the Chinese toast i'd say some foreign words would have found their way in, especially with whatever languages the LA folks spoke) like they do with our languages on Earth. The English language would still grow and change.
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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Knew this was one of slim's threads when I saw it on the front page...lol


    As others have said, spoken English remained the same, but it was clear that written changed a bit. It seemed as if they simplified the spelling.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gen. Chris View Post
    Knew this was one of slim's threads when I saw it on the front page...lol


    As others have said, spoken English remained the same, but it was clear that written changed a bit. It seemed as if they simplified the spelling.
    Yes, that is what happened, but its a little unrealistic.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    The spoken English on Novus and on Novan Colony worlds didn't change for the same reason so many aliens in SG-1 and SGA spoke English. It's a pain to show different languages on shows like this. The language spoken by the Novans would be unrecognizable to us after 2000 years. The creators simply couldn't show this as it would have been a pain in the ass.
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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by LtColCarter View Post
    Yes, that is what happened, but its a little unrealistic.
    To be fair, so is the franchise as a whole...


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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Do we have any examples of how a language changes when a group is in isolation? One reason that languages change is contact with other languages. Novus was isolated form change, but that's not the only thing that causes language changes. The English of Novus would likely lose a lot of words. Many words just wouldn't be relevant to anything on Novus. If a word isn't used, it will be lost. The meaning and connotation of words will change over time.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by LT. COL. John Sheppard View Post
    I'm surprised given how fast a drone attack (or "ATAK" ) is that they had enough time and organisation left to keep printing the news paper
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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumIguana View Post
    Do we have any examples of how a language changes when a group is in isolation? One reason that languages change is contact with other languages. Novus was isolated form change, but that's not the only thing that causes language changes. The English of Novus would likely lose a lot of words. Many words just wouldn't be relevant to anything on Novus. If a word isn't used, it will be lost. The meaning and connotation of words will change over time.

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    Default Re: could total isolation be the reason English didn't change in 2000 years on Novus?

    To answer the OP, probably not, but the time it would take to come up with a new dialect with it's own unique accent and then teach it to a few guest stars that would only be in a couple of episodes would probably not be worth it unfortunately.

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