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    @Hyndara71 tell me the truth, are you drunk or something?????

    how can you claim that i said those thing when i refuted everything you have said in your post above.

    and
    BTW, I don't think it's up to stargate fans to fund Universe. Universe has its own fans, search there and leave the SG-fans out of it.
    1.you do know that a fan of stargate universe is still a stargate fan right as the title off the series being: stargate universe gives it pretty much away.

    2. this is a freaking stargate universe section off the site so again, what the hell are you on about?

    3.i'm verry sorry to be so mean about it in this post but i am about to Lose it... It means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!

    can someone other then Hyndara71 please read my last 3 posts and Hyndara71's last 2 posts and give us your honest opinion please because i don't seem to know how to communicate with you(Hyndara71).

    this reminds me off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM8pe-OLi6w

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotthammer View Post
    Hmm. Well, seeing as (if I'm reading it right) the most funded (cash amount-wise) stuff in Kickstarter are both in the region of 3 million USD (I spent 30 USD on the Wasteland 2 one, which hit over 3 million USD. I'm probably going to do the same for the Shadowrun Returns and/or Banner Saga, too)...I think that, even if the folks who'd ok a kickstarter by fans would say 'ok', it seems unlikely to succeed. (I've seen a few kickstarter projects asking for less than 10k failing)

    Also, It doesn't help that SGU was kinda divisive, in a way (I personally liked it, and would like to see more, but I do get where those who didn't like it are coming from).
    There's also the question of momentum, I guess: it's been almost a year since the show aired its last episode...maybe if fans offered to step up while it was still being shown, etc. etc. etc.
    (but, hey, who knows. The first Wasteland game was made in the 80s...)

    Methinks something less than a return of the series proper could work (webisodes? audio books/drama? novels?), but that's all provided that the powers-that-be would be ok with all that.
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    for those still fuzzy about Kickstarter, here's the link for a project that's been funded:
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2

    One of the concerns raised here is about contributors being part of the creative process; that depends on the project and those behind it.

    In the case of the one linked above, there's a clear set of 'rewards' for those who pledged/donated. Pay X amount (you only get charged if the project goal is reached in the first place), get Y on the estimated date of project completion (in the case of the above, Oct. 2013).
    ALSO, I'm not sure if, once a project is funded, there's any guarantee that a project will be made (so pledge-makers beware, I guess).
    This vid (game commentator Totalbiscuit's 'mailbox' thingy) discusses aspects of Kickstarter at the start (including a short bit on the difference of 'crowd sourcing' and being an 'investor'):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mx0w..._e_top&list=SL

    ...but as already been said above, the best the fans can do, I guess, is to convince TPTB (i.e., MGM, I guess?) to try to get 'something' funded and for said fans to shell out cash IF TPTB go for it (which is unlikely, I suppose. I wouldn't know)

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    Quote Originally Posted by arend View Post
    1.well first off, i think that the goal should not be to get permission from mgm so we can make a kickstarter project but for us to persuade mgm to make a kickstarter project themselves.
    And how exactly would you go about doing that? Ask them nicely or put a petition together? (as if that method hasn't been done to death already).

    MGM are a business and they have already decided that an SGU movie wouldn't be profitable for them. Also extremely doubt that they would even consider accepting donations of any kind due to the legal implications.

    If we could change their mind then one of the SaveSGU campaigns would have been successful. Everything that can realistically be done has already been done, some cancelled shows simply can't be brought back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyndara71 View Post
    You cannot do something Stargate - or even Universe WITHOUT the permission from MGM. MGM OWNS Universe.
    *ahem* fanfics

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT. COL. John Sheppard View Post
    *ahem* fanfics
    Try to monetize them and see what happens..................
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    monetize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT. COL. John Sheppard View Post
    monetize?
    Sell them for any form of profit.
    ALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.
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    who would SELL fic's

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    Who would buy fics?

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    exactly my point

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    Saw this on kotaku
    "People Like You—Yes, You—Gave $9 Million to Kickstarter Video Game Campaigns Last Month"
    More on that here http://kotaku.com/5903404/people-lik...gns-last-month

    But seeing how much money flows trough there in recent days shows how much fans can impact a project be it games, movies or even books. I wonder if we petition MGM or Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper and tell them about kickstarter and how it works maybe they will give it a go. They dont loose anything for trying after you only pay if its successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorky View Post
    Saw this on kotaku More on that here http://kotaku.com/5903404/people-lik...gns-last-month
    Hehehe. Yeah. I'm down $80 thanks to 'Wasteland 2' and 'The Banner Saga' (which will get funded in less than an hour)...and I'm still looking to spend either $50 or $140 (125 + 15 for shipping) on 'Shadowrun Returns'. I'm also eyeing 'Ravaged' and (for lolz) 'Yogventures!'.
    That $80 is the most I've spent on games in a long, long time...and there's no real guarantee, as far as I can tell, that I'll get the game after they've gotten my cash.
    (also, of the mentioned games, only 'Banner', 'Ravaged' and 'Yog' have anything resembling gameplay to show)
    edit: link from RPS (which was linked in that Kotaku article):
    http://penny-arcade.com/report/edito...campaigns-are-

    Optimism (or lack thereof) aside, it probably won't hurt to try and petition for 'something' for SGU (or the other SG stuff) to be crowd funded via Kickstarter.
    I'll probably sign said petition if folks get organized enough to do it or something. If I had to pick a project to be proposed, it'd be for an 'audio book' (like the previous ones for SG-1 and SGA, I guess: if only for the sake of consistency. That and at least, hopefully, the 'cast' will be 'there'. Novels are ok, too. No comics, please...too 'hit or miss', IMHO, esp. in terms of art/depictions of established characters).
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    Would need a lot more than a petition. Petitions frankly never work and are unreliable (as online 1 person could sign a petition multiple times under different names).

    Also to date no SGU or Stargate related petition has ever managed to get a serious number of signatures (even back when the campaigns were in their prime & everyone still had hope).

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    they never get sent to the intended person/people. I agree with Tanith

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    Okay, here's the problem here.

    To do this it is asking us, the fan, to become an investor in a STUDIO owned piece of work. This is insane from a legal standpoint, the amount of BS they'd have to go through would almost negate all the $'s the project would bring in.

    Sorry people, the only way anything can happen with this show is if MGM want it too. They obviously do not because there is no money in it. It's time to accept the show is over and move on. All the desires for it to continue cannot support the show.
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    Ah, well, most Kickstarter projects don't 'ask the fan to become an investor'.
    (I don't even remember ever seeing one that does...then again, I don't actively scan for new projects and whatnot...)

    You back the project w/ money, yes, but the 'rewards' are usually set by those who are being funded.

    For the games I've backed/donated to, the range of 'rewards' could be something as small as an acknowledgement, or a copy of the game, or, for those who can afford thousands of dollars, something like lunch w/ the developers or something.
    But in no way is 'backer', if I understand it correctly, an 'investor'.
    You don't co-own or have stakes on the project. You give money, and you're promised a fixed reward.
    Do you have input on the project? That depends on the developers/people behind the project.

    Here's another project I'll be shelling out cash for (probably the $50 pledge thing):
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...dowrun-returns
    Look at the sidebar w/ the pledge amounts: each has a set 'reward'. Nowhere does it say that you become an 'investor'.

    That said, I'm not really optimistic about this. If a petition for MGM/TPTB/whoever is made for a Kickstarter/crowd funding thing to be allowed is made, I'll sign it. If it gets past that, maybe I'll even donate (depends on what the rewards will be, tho' ).
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    Actually, legally, the reward you get for *donating* is the payback of the investment. Giving money to these kinds of projects are an investment. It isn't a charity, nor are you purchasing goods. But indie projects can get away with this kind of thing.

    What is being suggested is fans funding a studio project. The legal BS that a studio would be required to go through, including but not limited to taxation, would make any of these kind of investment projects moot. It won't happen and as idealistic as it sounds to move ahead with them, it's just not worth it.

    Add to that, why would anyone think fans could raise this kind of money?
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    I agree the idea is nice in principle but a studio owned project which has been out of production for a while now seems unlikely anyways. What I do like is that perhaps people will want to produce their own sci-fi material. I know a lot of people who have creative ideas (fanfiction,local comic conventions). To be honest I am tired of big studios abusing sci-fi/fantasy genres and cutting good shows. Look at what the syfy channel has become for example. I know it is idealist but a fan support show funded by the fans would be a great way to help push the genre forward. Shows would have to be low budget unless it really is popular. So I think at the moment it is far fetched but perhaps in 20 years it won't be(new technology and w/e) and it would be economically manageable to do so.

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    I'd personally say...dude people in this world, country, are starving. If you're gonna donate money pick a charity. Pick a homeless person you pass on the street, give it to your neighbor who's having a hard time.

    SGU is dead and done and over. The ship has sailed. Even if the franchise comes back they will not choose a version of it that just performed so poorly, it'll be rebooted with new characters, new scenarios, new everything.

    this is just my PERSONAL opinion. I know of a couple of really, really good charities I'd donate to long before I'd try to revive a show.

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