Might the Wraith Have Found Earth Anyway?

[LT. COL. John Sheppard]

Since so many knew of earth, i do feel eventually they might have figured out where it was.

*high 5*

[garhkal]

Which makes me wonder. IF they did ever make it, and en mass.. how would earth have faired?

[StargateWatcher]

I am surprised no one thought to sue them for their negligence!

Hehehe. Yeah; wonder who they would have the standing to bring the negligence scase before tho? Maybe a group of the highest-ranking judges from the other 3 of their would judge? I wonder if Moros, based on the way he seemed to dominate the High Council, presumably the Executive Branch could override the Judiciary Branch's authority.

I don't recall the Ancients leaving behind too many messes.

We can start with recalling their time in the Milky Way Galaxy. The Ancients left behind their technology in places that it was very easy to access so that the Go'auld could reverse-engineer those pieces of technology and use it to enslave the less advanced races. Then Moros desceded and established the Avalon Cave to store all those treasures including the Intergalactic Long Range Communcaitions Device which SG-1 unwittingly used to contact the Ori home galaxy and let them discover the fact that life existed in theb Milky Way.

[StargateWatcher]

Which makes me wonder. IF they did ever make it, and en mass.. how would earth have faired?

depends on what defenses we'd have establsihed and acquired at the time they showed up I think

[Gormagon]

^ They defeated the Ancients.

[StargateWatcher]

^ They defeated the Ancients.

True; the Wraith did indeed defeat the Ancients. But we aren't the Ancients; I believe we possess much more advanced military knowledge which we demonstrated when we fought them multiple times.

[garhkal]

Lets say they show up a 2nd time right after Enemy at the gates.. say 3-4 months down the road.
I envision a group of say 1 more "super hive" powered by some of the other ZPMs that were stolen from the Asurans, 25-30 regular hives, and 45-60 crusiers.

[Quadhelix]

Lets say they show up a 2nd time right after Enemy at the gates.. say 3-4 months down the road.
I envision a group of say 1 more "super hive" powered by some of the other ZPMs that were stolen from the Asurans, 25-30 regular hives, and 45-60 crusiers.

That would probably be the end of Earth as an independent power. I mean, even one Superhive was able to moonwalk through pretty much everything that Earth could throw at it, up to and including Atlantis itself. Although Earth's "Super 304" wasn't there, I'm not sure how much the Odyssey's ZPM would have helped - there's only so much that extra power can make up for if the shields and weapons systems can't handle the input that you're trying to give them.

To be honest, I'm not sure that the second Superhive would actually need the other Hives and cruisers, save perhaps for a thicker Dart screen to avoid another nuclear kamikaze in the Dart bay.

The Ancients left behind their technology in places that it was very easy to access so that the Go'auld could reverse-engineer those pieces of technology and use it to enslave the less advanced races.

Err, what? Other than the Stargates - which the Goa'uld never actually reverse-engineered - ring transporters, and the sarcophagus, what Ancient technologies have the Goa'uld been using?

And, again, this is another area where the Ancients were a little too busy being dead (this time from a plague) to actually worry about the fact that they might be littering.

Then Moros desceded and established the Avalon Cave to store all those treasures including the Intergalactic Long Range Communcaitions Device which SG-1 unwittingly used to contact the Ori home galaxy and let them discover the fact that life existed in theb Milky Way.

A) That was one Ancient, and the rest of them were so ticked over it that they created a new loophole in their "no interference with mortals" rule to stop him from continuing; B) given that there was another Long-Range Communication Device in a random village in Pegasus, it's quite possible that they were common Ancient communication systems and Moros had no idea that it would eventually connect to the Ancients' home galaxy.

[StargateWatcher]

[QUOTE=Quadhelix;13323422]
Err, what? Other than the Stargates - which the Goa'uld never actually reverse-engineered - ring transporters, and the sarcophagus, what Ancient technologies have the Goa'uld been using?

And, again, this is another area where the Ancients were a little too busy being dead (this time from a plague) to actually worry about the fact that they might be littering.





It's wrong to label what they did mere 'littering'. And they didn't all die out from that plague. The corporeal Ancients flourished for a while in the Pegasus Galaxy but didn't bother to ever bother to come back to keep their tech away from the likes of raaces like the Go'auld. The Ascended Ancients didn't do so either.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

If the wraith found Earth and found a reliable efficient way to reach it, then presumably their infighting would eventually stop and they' be able to crush any defenses Earth could muster and cull the planet with relative ease.

If they were ever able to bring the full potential of their military might, like they did in the war with the Ancients, I would they would be quite capable of eventually overwhelming the entire Milky Way galaxy.

[Quadhelix]

It's wrong to label what they did mere 'littering'.

Why is it wrong to label what they did mere "littering"?

Remember, the only Goa'uld technologies that we know are Ancient-derived are the ring transporter and the sarcophagus - it's not like the Ancients left planet busting bombs lying around.

And they didn't all die out from that plague. The corporeal Ancients flourished for a while in the Pegasus Galaxy but didn't bother to ever bother to come back to keep their tech away from the likes of raaces like the Go'auld. The Ascended Ancients didn't do so either.

Before the Ancients were hit by the plague, they had an empire/alliance/whatever that spanned the entire Milky Way galaxy. Do you have any idea how extensive a cleanup project you're demanding on the off-chance that some aggressive younger race will misuse the technology - assuming that they can even figure out how it works. As an example, the Milky Way may have contained as many as 100,000 planets with Stargates on them* and who knows how many other planets with outposts but no Stargate. Consider also that, when the Ancients left for Pegasus, they were pretty much the last survivors of a plaque - we have no idea how much information they took with them about where things were, so they might have had to search the whole Milky Way from scratch to initiate the sort of cleanup that you insist upon

On that note, for all we know, the Ancients in Pegasus already did make a sweep of the Milky Way, cleaning up or salvaging potentially dangerous or useful technologies like Nova Bombs, ZPMs, grey goo nanites, etc., and what's left is just what the Ancients missed or thought unimportant.




*In "2001," they note that there are 5 other Stargates within 300 light-years of Volia - for a total of 6 Stargates in a volume of 113 million cubic light-years. The Milky Way has a radius of 50,000 light-years and a thickness of roughly 1,000 light-years, for a total volume of about 7.9 trillion cubic light-years. The ratio of those two volumes is on the order of 69,444, and multiplying by the six Stargates in the smaller volume yields a total of roughly 417,000 Stargates in the Milky Way.

[garhkal]

That would probably be the end of Earth as an independent power. I mean, even one Superhive was able to moonwalk through pretty much everything that Earth could throw at it, up to and including Atlantis itself. Although Earth's "Super 304" wasn't there, I'm not sure how much the Odyssey's ZPM would have helped - there's only so much that extra power can make up for if the shields and weapons systems can't handle the input that you're trying to give them.

To be honest, I'm not sure that the second Superhive would actually need the other Hives and cruisers, save perhaps for a thicker Dart screen to avoid another nuclear kamikaze in the Dart bay.

OK.. perhaps not a full on super hive then.. but a large number of regular hives.. say a dozen, with their attendant cruisers.

[Snowman37]

Had everything not been sold or auctioned off, this could make for an interesting SG-1/Atlantis crossover TV movie, no? Imagine the Wraith invading Milky Way! Granted, it would be mostly an Atlantis story, but there'd naturally be some SG-1 characters and elements given the Milky Way setting.

[loserinc]

I would love to see the Wraith invade the milky way.... and thin the herd.

Oh, I'm just wishing for that normal, not just tv wise



Anyway, I do think they would have eventually found Earth. The food in Pegasus was running low, they would have started expanding to explore even more.

[StargateWatcher]

Had everything not been sold or auctioned off, this could make for an interesting SG-1/Atlantis crossover TV movie, no? Imagine the Wraith invading Milky Way! Granted, it would be mostly an Atlantis story, but there'd naturally be some SG-1 characters and elements given the Milky Way setting.

You might enjoy AlexanderD's A New Dawn on ff.net; the Wraith do just that, and they have super-powered Wraith whose has tech even mroe powerful than Todd; won'tt ell you how that Wraith got suepr-powered tho thus spoiling it lol.

[garhkal]

I would love to see the Wraith invade the milky way.... and thin the herd.

Oh, I'm just wishing for that normal, not just tv wise

Just as long as they hit the mid east (syria, iran), the far east (china & north korea) and most of Africa first..