Tok'ra Ascension and the Symbiote/Host Relationship

[Alteran Prior]

If a Tok'ra symbiote were to ascend, would the symbiote help his/her human host to ascend with him/her?

If a Tok'ra human host were to ascend, would the host help his/her symbiote to ascend with him/her?

The symbiote and host share their knowledge, so if either one knows how to ascend then the other would too, right? And since Tok'ra are friendly toward their hosts (unlike Goa'uld), they would want to take their human host along with them if they ascend (if the human host wants to ascend).

[Vancho]

Gua'uld are parasites, parasites don't ascend for the obvious reasons

[Snowman37]

How do you explain Anubis? What if the host ascended and left the Goa'uld or Tok'ra behind? Oops!

[SF_and_Coffee]

Tok'ra aren't parasites; they're symbiotes.

[hedwig]

In "Maternal Instinct" when Daniel, Jack and Bra'tac were talking to the monk, the monk as much as said that Bra'tac and Teal'c could not "ascend" because of the symbiotes they carried. I would think the same would hold for a Tok'ra.

[SF_and_Coffee]

In "Maternal Instinct" when Daniel, Jack and Bra'tac were talking to the monk, the monk as much as said that Bra'tac and Teal'c could not "ascend" because of the symbiotes they carried. I would think the same would hold for a Tok'ra.

Why, when the symbiotes were Goa'uld? Remember the species that includes both Goa'uld and Tok'ra has genetic memory, and the larvae are likely spawned with their mentality and character already in place. Goa'uld have an evil mentality and character, which would seem to preclude Ascension (but then there's the problem of Anubis again). Tok'ra symbiotes generally have -- or are more likely to have -- a positive, good mentality/character, which would seem to be no barrier to Ascension.

[Snowman37]

In "Maternal Instinct" when Daniel, Jack and Bra'tac were talking to the monk, the monk as much as said that Bra'tac and Teal'c could not "ascend" because of the symbiotes they carried. I would think the same would hold for a Tok'ra.

Perhaps a safety measure to insure that there wouldn't be a second Anubis running around?

[blueray]

Perhaps a safety measure to insure that there wouldn't be a second Anubis running around?

that would make sense, since the monk was a follow of oma, so maybe he knew that symbiote's should ascend. sadly that includes the tok'ra.

[Quizziard]

It perhaps comes down to what knowledge is needed to Ascend. Theoretically, it could be something that an inherently "evil" being/person would never, ever consider on their own... but that an outsider might tell them out of charity.

[Hathor_girl]

The monk said that Teal'c couldn't ascend because of the evil he carried (i.e. the Goa'uld larva in his pouch).
The monk didn't say symbiotes couldn't ascend, only that someone evil couldn't.
Since Tok'ra are not evil, they should be able to ascend just as well as humans.

Of course, Anubis is as evil as they get, and he ascended just fine, so it would seem there is a loop-hole somewhere

As for the question of whether Tok'ra a host/symbiote pair would help each other ascend? Yes, I absolutely think so - and since they share knowledge, both would know how to as soon as one of them did (more likely, they would probably figure it out together).

[Snowman37]

Who's to say evil people can't ascend? Oma DeSalla was just trying to prevent more Anubis-types ascending. Saying evil people can't ascend is a good measure to insure that, no? It would deter evil people, and it would encourage good people to purge the darkness within.

[Alteran Prior]

And, of course, we must not forget that the Ori were evil and they too, like Anubis, were able to ascend. Thus evil does not necessarily prevent a being from ascending.

[Tiger]

Anubis ascended with Oma's help. Anubis tricked Oma and that's part of her 'punishment' for allowing it to happen. She had to 'learn from her mistake' and pay for an evil goa'uld ascending.

So since Bra'tac's goa'uld symbiote was nothing but genetic offspring of a goa'uld (which are just evil from the get-go) the goa'uld symbiote hadn't the intelligence or the knowledge to ascend.

And part of the 'ascending' experience is not fearing death, not being held back by being a mortal or mortal wants. So telling Bra'tac he had to remove the symbiote would help him ascend with death.

[garhkal]

Perhaps it was the other's stopping future anubis's coming about, but i do feel it might also have to do with their parasitic nature.