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    #16
    A) The fleet holding Proxima before liberation was 6 Omega's, after liberation we dont now but they were Sheridans forces not EA.

    B) Yes this is true, but whole fleets of possibly 1500 ships plus?

    C) The whole EA fleet wouldnt be so generally crassed together as one massive block. Also, how many fleets are sent around the galaxy on missions like that with an insular xenophobic government, the Shadow War was only 10 months ish over during which time the entire galaxy was a battleground/skirmish pit.

    D) Thats part of the point i've been asking "How many ships?" if we know rough estimates then we can make educated guesses but we are still in the throes of guesswork and whatever the best fanfic around is at the time

    Regarding the Omega X class, i wasnt actually counting them anyway with them being experimental, rushed into service for a specific task and not part of EA Navy Regulars.

    The "General" at Mars (Robert Lefcourt) was commanding close to 40 Omega class destroyers which was said as being "the biggest gathering of Earth ships since the BotL" which does give us a very basic starting point for numbers, but i had chalked the low numbers upto production value of CGI at the time B5 was on air.


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      #17
      Actually, the thread creator does have a VERY valid point. Why? Because according to the novelization of "In the Beginning", Earth-Alliance had 50,000 ships. Yes, 50,000. The largest known Military of any race. How did Earth-Alliance get such a large military? Think about it. After the Dilgar war, Earth massively expanded. Earth had over 10+ billion alone. Earth-alliance had 35 planets and outposts under it's control in multiple star systems. Earth-Alliance, was in reality, HUGE. Look at all the other races. For the Minbari, all I know of that Minbari controls is the Minbari homeworld. Centauri has Centauri prime, and a few others they conquered from neighbors, but they kept going back and forth. I can't think of any other race that has as many planets/outposts under it's direct Control, then Earth-Alliance.

      Now fast-foward to B5-time-frame, after the war. It is stated that the Earth Omega Class destroyer and other ships where being built during the end of the Earth/Minbari war, in Secret, and scattered out all over the place so that the Minbari could not destroy them all at once. Then, the Minbari surrendered. The best estimate, is that Earth lost about 70 to 80% of it's ships. (remember it still had a lot being built, in secret, on scattered on bases).

      So let's go with the higher number, 80% losses of all it's forces. 80% of 50,000 = 40,000 ships Earth Lost during the war. That leaves TEN THOUSAND ships still remaining for Earth.

      Now fast-forward 10+ years to B5 time-frame, where Earth started to massively rebuild it's military, it's tech, and numbers. So if Earth had 10,000 ships 10 years ago, it's not hard to believe that it did in fact reach 20,000 ships by the B5 time-frame like some sites have claimed. Remember, Earth-Alliance is a VERY large in terms of number of planets/outpost it controls, in addition to Earth being 10 billion strong.

      So in reality, Earth does NOT have a small Military, in fact, it has perhaps the largest Military numbers of ANY race. That is on record - proven by the novelization of "In the Beginning" saying that Earth had 50,000 ships in their Military.

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        #18
        Something about B5 fleet counts is that there is often inconsistencies with what is shown on screen and what is said in the script. For example in "In the Beginning" the Black Star is shown by itself destroying the Earth patrol fleet but in later quotes (I believe in "Atonement") the Black Star is said to have had several support ships with it that were also destroyed. The problem is that they were never shown. Also when B5 rebelled from Earth the battle groups sent to secure the station were also shown differently from moment to moment with smaller support vessels appearing at first and then forgotten. Each battle group had at least one or two Hyperions in addition to the Omega class capital ships, but they were never shown in the battle or retreating or anywhere else. It's possible that something similar happened with the Omega-X battle group or the Mars stationed fleet.

        Different note though, I'm not sure if it's prudent to say that the other races had only their homeworlds and not much else. The Centauri wanted 12 worlds in a single sector from the Drazi to form the new buffer zone and that was only one of the 12 civilizations they were at war with at the time. And the Minbari had long held several worlds at the edge of their space as protectorates like that agrarian society being attacked by the Drahk. We don't know anything about Minbari holdings, only that they are powerful and advanced and for a long time isolationist. But isolationist doesn't necessarily mean small... the U.S. was isolationist for a while around the time period of WW1 but we were one of the larger nations on the Earth.
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          #19
          The biggest problem with figuring out the size of fleets when we're dealing with a TV show is just that- that the TV show is hindered by a budget for things like CGI preventing a truly realistic portrayal of things like massive fleets. Josh17 has it mostly correct in that the human species is around 11 billion on Earth alone and probably hundreds of millions more (most likely not yet a billion) on other colonies (Earth, Proxima, more o'neil type stations, etc) We're not talking about very limited budgets to build fleets when the entire species is at risk and they know it. So yeah, chalk a lot of it up to TV CGI budget and technological ability to portray all of that.

          So yeah, most likely fleets are indeed in the tens of thousands (tho obviously only a small percentage of that are going to be Omega class ships, and those will all be spread out among different fleets, bases, etc).

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