Legacy Wraith Discussion/Speculation Thread ~ SPOILERS!

[Isolde]

This does exactly what it says on the tin.

Much of what will be discussed here is directly related to the development of the Wraith as seen by Jo Graham and Melissa Scott in the new Legacy books. It is an open forum, and all ideas are encouraged, but if something is spoilery, do the decent thing and wrap it, please.

So apart from that small piece of housekeeping, have at it folks.

[Artie]

I'll bite! So what do people think of the development of Todd?

[Isolde]

I still trip over 'Guide' but on the whole I think he is in character. I love that he's still a tricksy git, and has more up his sleeves than stun sticks and attitude leavened with sarcasm.

Can't wait till the new book comes out.

[Draco-Stellaris]

Agree about 'Guide' - the name put me off at first but I got over it. I like to see glimpses of his past.

[Shaded Mazoku]

I don't mind the name Guide. It's not what I would have chosen, but the more I see of him in Legacy, the more I see how it fits him. I think I mostly get confused because I have a friend whose nickname is Guide.

I do love what they're doing with him in Legacy, though. I like that he's still the same clever, cunning Wraith we know and love, and that even as we learn more, he still has a few secrets to surprise with. I mean, he's over ten thousand years. There's going to be a lot of history there.

[Isolde]

I'm with you Shady. I want to know more about his Queen, and just how he came to be her Consort, as well as what it was like for him in a Genii prison. For me, if he hadn't had any real exposure to humans before his incarceration, he could... should have come out of the experience much more twisted, and full of hate. Is it purely the exposure to Shep that changed him, or has he had some kindness visited on him during that time?

On that note, I suppose one of us could take up that particular gauntlet, and write a one shot about him in nick?

But... I want to talk about the Bride? Who is she? A wraith Queen with an interest in medical procedures? I know who that sounds like.

Guide as a young Wraith during the Atlantean Wars would be interesting to find out about, too.

[CedrusTuri]

Izzy - stop putting in your orders for fanfic. LOL

[Artie]

I'm with you Shady. I want to know more about his Queen, and just how he came to be her Consort, as well as what it was like for him in a Genii prison. For me, if he hadn't had any real exposure to humans before his incarceration, he could... should have come out of the experience much more twisted, and full of hate. Is it purely the exposure to Shep that changed him, or has he had some kindness visited on him during that time?

On that note, I suppose one of us could take up that particular gauntlet, and write a one shot about him in nick?

But... I want to talk about the Bride? Who is she? A wraith Queen with an interest in medical procedures? I know who that sounds like.

Guide as a young Wraith during the Atlantean Wars would be interesting to find out about, too.

You should totally write the story about him in prison! I don't think I've ever read one, and that's such a fascinating topic. The first time I watched Common Ground I was blown away and I had no idea Todd would become an important character, but I wanted to know how he got there and what his story was.

Re: the Bride -- I think Ciannwn had some really fascinating ideas that bear on that!

[CedrusTuri]

You should totally write the story about him in prison!

She should do that, Artie, totally - but not until December! She's um... tied up until then.

[Isolde]

Izzy - stop putting in your orders for fanfic. LOL

Pish... *sticks tongue out at CT and wags finger at Artie* If someone hadn't suggested NaNo to me, I might have been able to write a piece for Toddy in prison.

There is a fic called Kolya's Knife that explores some of that (LJ). It's slash, and pretty good slash too.

[CedrusTuri]

Pish... *sticks tongue out at CT and wags finger at Artie* If someone hadn't suggested NaNo to me, I might have been able to write a piece for Toddy in prison.

WHO suggested it to WHOM????! *ahem* Anyway - there's always the rest of today - you can do it!

[Shaded Mazoku]

I think I've watched Common Ground more than any other episode of any series ever. I seriously love that episode to a ridiculous extent. Any fic related to the episode makes me a very happy Wraith fan. Even if they do tend to make Todd miserable. Isolation can't be good for a member of a telepathic species.

Just another reason to love Todd. He has so much history for a fanfic writer to play with.

I do want to know more about the Bride myself. (Partially so that I can stop imagining a Wraith Queen version of Miss Havisham English lit. still torments me! ) It sounds very fascinating.

[Isolde]

I think I've watched Common Ground more than any other episode of any series ever. I seriously love that episode to a ridiculous extent. Any fic related to the episode makes me a very happy Wraith fan. Even if they do tend to make Todd miserable. Isolation can't be good for a member of a telepathic species.

Just another reason to love Todd. He has so much history for a fanfic writer to play with.

I do want to know more about the Bride myself. (Partially so that I can stop imagining a Wraith Queen version of Miss Havisham English lit. still torments me! ) It sounds very fascinating.

Oh gods... LOL Sitting surrounded by her ruined wedding feast or a few hundred human corpses and skeletons. Wow, now there's a visual.

CG is a seminal epi, and I love it, if only for the shackle breakage. Damn I could watch that scene quite a lot (and have ).

[Artie]

I think I've watched Common Ground more than any other episode of any series ever. I seriously love that episode to a ridiculous extent. Any fic related to the episode makes me a very happy Wraith fan. Even if they do tend to make Todd miserable. Isolation can't be good for a member of a telepathic species.

Just another reason to love Todd. He has so much history for a fanfic writer to play with.

I do want to know more about the Bride myself. (Partially so that I can stop imagining a Wraith Queen version of Miss Havisham English lit. still torments me! ) It sounds very fascinating.

The first time I saw Common Ground I thought of The Count of Monte Cristo, one of my favorite books, only it's not Sheppard in the Edmond Dantes role, it's Todd. He'd obviously been there for a long time, but revenge could still motivate him.

Ciannwn and I were having this really interesting discussion a couple of weeks ago about Wraith queens as Persephone Descended, the Queen of the Underworld, and her Celtic correspondences. But isn't there a flip side always inherent in Persephone Descended? There's the Kore, the maiden abducted. The Bride of Death.

[Artie]

Oh gods... LOL Sitting surrounded by her ruined wedding feast or a few hundred human corpses and skeletons. Wow, now there's a visual.

Wow. That is...majorly creepy!

[Shaded Mazoku]

Oh gods... LOL Sitting surrounded by her ruined wedding feast or a few hundred human corpses and skeletons. Wow, now there's a visual.

Exactly. I'm used to disturbing images, but sometimes, my mind amazes even me with what it comes up with.

[Shaded Mazoku]

The first time I saw Common Ground I thought of The Count of Monte Cristo, one of my favorite books, only it's not Sheppard in the Edmond Dantes role, it's Todd. He'd obviously been there for a long time, but revenge could still motivate him.

Lust for revenge, the way I see it, comes in many different guises, not just the red-hot anger that often comes first. With time, it tends to dull and become cold hate instead, calmer but just as powerful.

I bet Todd wasn't too happy to hear just how easily Kolya died.

[Isolde]

Wow. That is...majorly creepy!

Why thank you!

If that imagery doesn't spark a few fics, I don't know what will.

The Bride of Death? Hmmm... Now that makes me start to wonder whose Bride she is, and whether we are talking about Death, as in Hades?

Lust for revenge, the way I see it, comes in many different guises, not just the red-hot anger that often comes first. With time, it tends to dull and become cold hate instead, calmer but just as powerful.

I bet Todd wasn't too happy to hear just how easily Kolya died.

No. I wanted to write a fic where Todd and Shep went Kolya hunting, as I thought it was too damn easy. Trillian52 got there first, and I never did explore the premise further. I think that would have made an awesome episode too, as then there could have been much exploration of their friendship. Something, IMO, that's sadly underdeveloped in the prog, but I hope can be made much more of in the novels.

I think it's key, actually. Their friendship. It paves the way for others.

[Artie]

The Bride of Death? Hmmm... Now that makes me start to wonder whose Bride she is, and whether we are talking about Death, as in Hades?

I think it's key, actually. Their friendship. It paves the way for others.

Ciannwn was saying something really interesting about the black-clad queens and the white-clad queens, and the red hair of the Keeper being the black, white and red colors of the lady of the underworld. But definitely it's dual -- the black-clad queens and the white-clad ones, and the way Ellia starts out in a white fuzzy sweater. Queen Death is certainly a black-clad queen. Shouldn't Death have a counterpart?

Absolutely their friendship paves the way. And from that moment John has to think of the Wraith as people, which is both a blessing and a curse to him.

[Isolde]

A counterpart? Oh, very interesting. I'm gonna have to go and think about this for a while, and (hopefully) finish some pr0n before the BIG DAY tomorrow. *runs round like headless chook*