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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco Pops View Post
    So the Silence is also a religious order. Bloody hell there's a lot of those about this series.......

    A religious sect who believe that the Universe ends when a question is asked..

    Well what if the question really is
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    "what is the Doctor's name"


    Why should he be more important then any other Timelord from Galifrey? I find that a bit egotistical to think he and only he could have such power over the whole universe where there were other Timelords who had done far more powerful things like Rassilon and such. And yet we know his name so why is there no drama when you mention the name Rassilon out loud?
    Yeah, Im more curious about The Silence now.
    I reckon that The Silence is controlling Kovarian and her army through post hypnotic suggestion, because they are kind of like a religious group, what with the popeal mainframe, and did the soldiers in the Angels episode have the same symbols on their gear?
    Im curious about this question too, I understand what you mean by the Doctors name. We know other Time Lords names but nothing has happened. Could be why he always refers to himself as just the Doctor...
    Who knows?

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    Question: what does the Doctor say nearly at the end when River is in the hospital bed? something like "First rule: the Doctor lies"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mi_guard View Post
    Question: what does the Doctor say nearly at the end when River is in the hospital bed? something like "First rule: the Doctor lies"?
    his exact words may be "Rule 1: the doctor lies" but essentially yes


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    Quote Originally Posted by mi_guard View Post
    Question: what does the Doctor say nearly at the end when River is in the hospital bed? something like "First rule: the Doctor lies"?
    He says "Rule one, The Doctor lies"
    Maybe hes lieing about his past too?
    Wonder what he means when he says that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberBlade View Post
    Anyone got any ideas on the fish custard or tuxedo? The TARDIS voice interactive program pointed this out, as I thought it would have been a cure but he still died, so I'm wondering when that will be explained because bit strange that with 32 minutes left to live, he'd rush off to do something.
    Not sure about the fish custard, but looking at your quote made me wonder... Maybe he went off to get married to future-River? I mean it would be a good excuse as any for the tux...

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    In the Season 25 stories Remembrance of the Daleks and Silver Nemesis, there were hints that the Doctor was far more than just another Time Lord...that he might have had a bigger part to play in Gallifreyan history and also particularly during The Dark Times and The Time of Chaos.

    If indeed the question is "Doctor who?" then the answers: the Doctor's secrets, his history and his very name might be terrible enough for him to want to keep as hidden and as buried as possible.
    So something other than the role he played in the Time War? (I haven't seen much of Classic Who, so sorry if that's coming out as an obvious answer. Mostly a good bit of Tom Baker's seasons.)

    "Doctor who?" would give the title of the show an irony I'm sure Moffat wouldn't want to pass up on Also, the Doctor DID ask it when he came out of the TARDIS when crazy!River was about to kill him... I'm sure that's not a coincidence. Or, it would be an awfully large one.
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    If The Silence is an order not a species, Kovarian could simply be a member of the order?

    Would the Master know the Doctor's real name?

    A name is important (c.f. "The Shakespeare Code"). The Doctor has gone to continual and expressive lengths to ensure he doesn't use his real name. Even to the extent of noting the importance of Rover knowing it.

    But, since River knows it, the woman who "killed" the Doctor (and then ensured he got better ), doesn't that mean the most obvious "oldest question" HAS already been answered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybrown View Post
    Yeah, Im more curious about The Silence now.
    I reckon that The Silence is controlling Kovarian and her army through post hypnotic suggestion, because they are kind of like a religious group, what with the popeal mainframe, and did the soldiers in the Angels episode have the same symbols on their gear?
    Im curious about this question too, I understand what you mean by the Doctors name. We know other Time Lords names but nothing has happened. Could be why he always refers to himself as just the Doctor...
    Who knows?
    Not all of them we don't, the outcasts/rebels such as The Doctor, The Master and The Rani's names are unknown as they gave them up and took on those titles when they rebelled. It's possible The Doctor's name is something powerful but he is not the only Time Lord whose name we do not know.

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    Still waiting to see the eppy (BBCA is a week later?). *sigh*

    Quote Originally Posted by Sealurk View Post
    Okay, watched it again and got some of my thoughts in order now.

    • Finally finding out that the person who taught River to fly the TARDIS while the Doctor was 'busy that day' was the TARDIS...brilliant and wonderful.
      ...
    thank you! THANK YOU!! This confirms my suspicions from months and months ago. The only other entity besides the Doctor even nearly considered *the best* would be the TARDIS, from my understanding.

    The reason why the Doctor never said anything prior, was probably because he was dumbfounded as to not living out that part of his future yet, thus he couldn't have known. And River does like her mysteries to stay unspoiled for the most part...

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    ok, the robot justice folks....they said that the doctor was a war criminal and that he stole a tardis.....but I thought his backstory was that he was a 'lone' survivor of a great war between timelords and the daleks....did they change that in canon? or could that be a result of someone mucking with the timeline.

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    bbbc america is NOT a week behind. It's hours behind. Let's kill Hitler aired last night

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    ok, the robot justice folks....they said that the doctor was a war criminal and that he stole a tardis.....but I thought his backstory was that he was a 'lone' survivor of a great war between timelords and the daleks....did they change that in canon? or could that be a result of someone mucking with the timeline.
    Actually, when it showed that piece of info on the screen inside Robo-Pond, it showed a picture of the TARDIS, not the Doctor and Not River/Melody.

    That jumped out at me, i believe it showed the TARDIS and underneath was written STOLEN.

    Do they consider the TARDIS as some sort of war criminal for something we have yet to see or do they hold the TARDIS responsible for something to do with Melodies part timelord birth circumstance?

    Also, the Time-War is a myth among the higher species, it went completely unnoticed to the lesser races.

    So they wouldnt have known of the Time-War and the Doctors past per se, just what Kovarian and the alliance called what they planned to put inside the Pandorica.

    "An ageless and timeless thing" "One day it would appear and tear your world down"

    etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    ok, the robot justice folks....they said that the doctor was a war criminal and that he stole a tardis.....but I thought his backstory was that he was a 'lone' survivor of a great war between timelords and the daleks....did they change that in canon? or could that be a result of someone mucking with the timeline.
    Actually, he is both. He started his adventures by stealing a Tardis (or being stolen by a Tardis according to her Either way, she referred to him as her thief) and our eye patch lady point out that the Doctor is a war criminal and they are in fact in war against him, hence the use of Melody against him.

    But he is also the last survivor of the Time War.

    So both are canon. This series though seems to be focusing more on the former's crimes than the latter's martyrdom.
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    That was an interesting episode.

    I really liked each part and scene individually. However, as an episode, it almost felt like alot was cut and overall rushed.

    Thoughts, predictions, etc.

    1) Rivers and the Doctors, definitely not opposing linear. Timey whiney wibbly wobbley.

    2) iirc, River did not go into archeology until after she earned her pardon (It was during the two part weeping angels episodes where I believe the Doctor addressed her as "Doctor Song" and she went "Oh? So I'm a Doctor? Spoilers!') and since this is the very first time they meet, and she pops up later on in the season (if not in the next season) then they meet again post hospital.

    3) I read on another forum that what some thought he whispered to Melody, to tell "River" was "I just got back from marrying you". Which would explain so much, from her initial response "I'm sure she knows", the tuxedo, earlier conversations at Amy's and Rory's wedding, and the sudden change of mind for her to save him when she realizes she *is* River and asking if he is worth it.

    4) I will say though, that would be the fastest wedding ever. Anyone actually time the screen time from the start of little Amelia saying 32 minutes left to live to the change of scenes, and then how long before he was saved after his tux appearance? Quick to get changed and married in about minutes maybe?

    5) I love the fact of the flirting looks they give each other when trying to one-up another.

    6) Rory had all the best lines in this episode. ignoring the much loved lines spoken to hitler, alot of his dialogue stood out to me rather than the rest of the cast.

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    what if the fish fingers and custard DID cure the doctor....but when he showed back up in the tux he'd been poisoned again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    what if the fish fingers and custard DID cure the doctor....but when he showed back up in the tux he'd been poisoned again?
    I think the fish fingers and custard thing was more of something to rally him. A memory back before he went wrong as he feels with Amelia. Amy used it as the thing to prove that he could trust them back at the beginning of the series when they met him after his death.
    So to me its not so much the meal of fish fingers and custard itself that brought the Doctor back, but more the memory that went with it that kept him fighting on.
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    Still waiting to see the eppy (BBCA is a week later?). *sigh*

    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver View Post
    bbbc america is NOT a week behind. It's hours behind. Let's kill Hitler aired last night
    Not here. When I checked the BBCA "full" schedule (not the actual TV channel), it was showing reruns of previous eps. That was all day yesterday into midnight.

    So, since we were having a hurricane, and I was sick from migraines and nausea (bad ginger ale did the final deed), I never turned the Tv on, and just went straight to my pillow. Never bothered recording (DVR) because I didn't know what time to record.

    Anywho.. just found out from the BBCA, the following info----
    Doctor Who Encores

    Tuesday, August 30th at 12am EST
    (Monday Night)

    If Hurricane Irene keeps you from watching the midseason premiere of Doctor Who, "Let's Kill Hitler" and the "Doctor Who: Best of the Companions" special will re-air Tuesday.
    (that's Monday pm night at midnight into Tuesday am)

    nah, I don't think I'll stay up that late, but will see if we can DVR it to watch later in the week (next Sunday, instead, maybe).

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    The Doctor being a war criminal ... Never.....

    The Silence, Kovarian, and company are just telling porkies.

    Although in the old series we are never fully told either why the Doctor ran away from Galifrey and took the TARDIS.... It's something open to debate. I hope they don't ruin things.
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    well, i know on BBCA that I watched sat night, i saw the best of the companions special, and this eps, and there was another dr who special last saturday

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    I'm going to have to give this episode, a great big meh.

    I loved parts of it, namely parts with Mels/River. I love when she flirts with 11.
    I appreciated the tiny gestures many have noticed, including the diary.

    On the other hand, the alien of the week was horrific. They find historical despical people and torture them for who knows how long because it is their right. No one, not even the doctor says much about this? Not ok.

    The tux means that the Doctor will probably have to interact with himself at Amy's wedding again, but I'm getting really tired of the Fez, suit jackets, tuxes, and Flesh doctors. Just tell a good story, not a convolutted one.

    So the doctor can't save River at this moment but Mels can be by Amy growing up. Ok, but it was presented that this is as good as returning the child to her mother. That is so not ok.

    Thankfully, the episode had a few laughs. But on the rewatch, it was even boring. A 7/10 at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draygon View Post
    I think the fish fingers and custard thing was more of something to rally him. A memory back before he went wrong as he feels with Amelia. Amy used it as the thing to prove that he could trust them back at the beginning of the series when they met him after his death.
    So to me its not so much the meal of fish fingers and custard itself that brought the Doctor back, but more the memory that went with it that kept him fighting on.
    That's how I saw it. Something grounded, physical and a key part of the relationship with Amy (c.f. her "trust me" on fish/custard in "Rebel Flesh)

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