There But For the Grace of God (119)

[JadeStarkiller]

I've started a marathon of Stargate, I'm watching the episode 'There But For the Grace of God', and something has caught my attetion.

In the beginning when SG1 comes through the gate on the planet, the set looks very much like the set on 'Tin Man'.

I'm wondering if they used the same set for both those episodes and just changed the props around???

Anyone else noticed this???

[JadeStarkiller]

I've started a marathon of Stargate, I'm watching the episode 'There But For the Grace of God', and something has caught my attetion.

In the beginning when SG1 comes through the gate on the planet, the set looks very much like the set on 'Tin Man'.

I'm wondering if they used the same set for both those episodes and just changed the props around???

Anyone else noticed this???

[lordofseas]

*gasp* Double post! J.k.

I didn't notice, actually. :/

[mrscopterdoc]

I just love AU eppies. This one is kind of sad though, but still good.

[Tachyon]

Anyone else noticed this???

Didn't caught my eye. But on the other hand I've seen Tin Man maybe twice.

[Jacquelyn]

This episode was a cool one. I like the fact that they made the title that way.

Spoiler:

I was sad at the end since everyone died. It was disappointing to me because I wanted everyone to live.
R.I.P. Alternate Reality Earth.

[Girlbot]

Very good episode, the quantum mirror was fantastic, what a concept. What a dilemna for the alt world, to allow Daniel to go back and save what would be destroyed in theeir world.

[Eestlanna]

Did they do anything with that gate address Daniel brought with him?

[rushy]

Yeah, they used it to go aboard Klorel's mothership.

[Martina Magnus]

I love other realities

[maneth]

Really cool episode, loved the confusion at first until they figured things out.

[rushy]

OK. I liked the part where everyone were already dead and Daniel was trapped in the Gate Room cos the Jaffa are everywhere. I also liked Colonel Hammond and General O'Neill. AND James Spader!

[rushy]

How many AU episodes there has been?
*There's But For the Grace of God Main: Daniel.
*Point of View Main: SG-1
*1969 Main: SG-1
*2010 Main: SG-1 + Dr. Fraiser
*Before I Sleep Main: Weir
*The Last Man Main: Sheppard
*Ripple Effect Main: SG-1
*Time Main: Rush and Scott
*Stargate Continuum Main:Mitchell

[Tallifer]

This story reminded very, very much of the classic Doctor Who story called "Inferno" with Jon Pertwee as the Doctor. His Tardis threw him into an alternate dimension where the Brigadier and Liz Shaw were officers of a fascist Britain.

Just like in this Stargate story, both worlds were faced with the same problem, and just like in this story, the alternate earth was completely destroyed because of unwitting acts of foolishness and stubbornness. Again, the hero was able to return to his proper dimension with the sacrificial help of the people of the alternate dimension, and he was in time to save the earth we know from a like fate.

The only difference was that the threat in the Whovian tale was a geological calamaity of Atlantean proportions brought about by drilling into the earth's crust (plus an irrelevant side plot about some unexplained weird primordial goo seeping up from the depths and transforming people into savage primate-like monsters).

[bobsenior]

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before but in this episode in the alternate reality the SGC is called the SGA, anyone know what that stands for? (And don't say Atlantis)

[Vagabond Serpent]

A model of how to do outstanding episodes. One of the best episodes of the season one along with "The Torment of Tantalus" and in top five of the series in whole. And as far as I can remember, it's the only four episode season ending/start amongst all SG series.

I agree that it is a nice way to tell a "what if" story without damaging the main plot curve and dealing with its aftermath. What if Daniel wouldn't be here from the very beginning? What if Teal'C would stay Apophis' First Prime? What if Sam wouldn't be Captain Carter? What'd happen if Catherine would still run the program?

Daniel clearly got ears deep in you-know-what on that planet just from his plain curiousity and willingness to study everything possible. But in the end that saved our Earth from destruction. It was that bit of luck that literally is capable of saving world.

I enjoyed the weirdness of things in that episode greatly. Colonel Hammond, General O'Neill leading the StarGate Association (according to GW's wiki), though after later seasons General O'Neill sounds more familiar than Colonel. Speaking of Jack, he was way different there. But it's understandable as his home just got destroyed. He's no longer a joker, but a ruthless soldier. Sam as a civilian was a strange view, but interesting. And that was gem for Sam/Jack shippers. And she's the same tough Sam as in our reality when she uses that grenade to take all the jaffa with her. Daniel of AU had some reason to refuse join the program, and I can't even guess why, but it was ironic after he got killed by the same aliens he was trying to study in Egypt without leaving Earth.

Local Teal'C seems to be different from ours only in hair. His face told the truth, that he hates being a slave of the false god in this reality as much as in ours, but Jack's decision to nuke Chu'lak toughened his heart. He lost family and people and had nobody to free from shackles from that moment, and he killed the man who ordered the death of his beloved ones. But he gave Daniel a chance in the end of episode. Instead of shooting him dead on sight, he waited until the gate was opened and Daniel ran. So maybe O'Neill message had some impact on him after all. And it was fun to watch jaffa trying to disarm the selfdestruct and batting each other hands.

The most important people of the whole world were evacuated from Earth via SGA and that attracted Goa'Uld to the Cheyenne Mountain complex and speeded up things there, making Daniel eventually the only survivior there. Watching Chevron Guy in civilian and doing a lot of fighting was amusing too. It's a shame he never made it to the gate, obviously either getting killed by jaffa or by self-destruct. Can't understand well what made Jack helping our Daniel except of realisation that his own world was doomed already and urge to save some similar then. I guess if he hadn't used the camera to show Teal'C our reality, Daniel would record some of that reality and used that tape in the next episode. Catherine did the same thing Jack did, technically: if there's another she living happily with Ernest, so be it, let's save them.

So, this episode is centered mostly around Daniel, in my opinion, and shows how important he is to the program. He brought that slim chance of salvation with him from that reality and what happened to it where he wasn't along with SGC, influencing its actions, was a disaster.

Those aliens who made that quantum mirror surely did a great thing, both dangerous and beneficial.

Oh, and the ending of the episode: "Jack, they're coming!" sounds and looks extremely similar to "Everett! They're coming!"

10/10

[Noxbait]

Currently watching this episode...and something just hit me. When Daniel first meets Jack in the AU, he tries to convince him that they know each other by telling him about Charlie's death. It hadn't hit me before, but this is a neat little parallelism that reoccurs in Continuum. Daniel tries the same thing, only that time Jack isn't nearly as convinced and obviously, his reality was different that time around because Charlie hadn't died. I just thought that was a fascinating little aside.

Also, I couldn't help but notice that AU Sam's hair was much prettier and more realistic than AU Sam in Point of View. Interesting.

Love this episode...and what it leads into. It is so nice to see Catherine (even if she is AU in this one). Wish she'd've been in more episodes.

[Lunaeclipse]

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before but in this episode in the alternate reality the SGC is called the SGA, anyone know what that stands for? (And don't say Atlantis)

I would've thought something like Stargate Administration, but that's just a guess... Stargate Alt-Universe(if the director was being funny)

[FrodoFraggins]

10/10

Story by David Kemper - who did a great job on Farscape.

My only complaints are:

Alternate universe Tealc. I was honestly expecting them to show him with a cheesy AU Spock type goatee. Although they didn't do that, they did give him a cheesy hairpiece!

There's no reason to let Daniel gate immediately back to the planet with the mirror. He simply could of gated there AFTER going to the planet they were escaping to.

[stupidoctopus]

The strongest thing, for me, in this episode is that Teal'c shot his alternate self. It shows that Teal'c has a great strength. I don't think they could question his loyalty (if they did) after that.

I think you're confusing this episode with "Point of View" (306), where the alternate Sam and alternate Kawalski come to our reality.

My only complaints are:

Alternate universe Tealc. I was honestly expecting them to show him with a cheesy AU Spock type goatee. Although they didn't do that, they did give him a cheesy hairpiece!

There's no reason to let Daniel gate immediately back to the planet with the mirror. He simply could of gated there AFTER going to the planet they were escaping to.

Isn't there an alt Teal'c with a cheesy goatee? Or is that a shoop going around?

Also, wasn't beta site fitted with an iris, and closed off? Even so, if they had dialed the beta site and left through it, they would have risked the Jaffa seeing the coordinates on the computers.

Finally, perhaps they all believed Daniel had to get to his reality immediately, because the invasion could start any moment?

Love this episode...and what it leads into. It is so nice to see Catherine (even if she is AU in this one). Wish she'd've been in more episodes.

Agreed! Catherine's a great character.

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before but in this episode in the alternate reality the SGC is called the SGA, anyone know what that stands for? (And don't say Atlantis)

Stargate Association, if you ask me.