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The Doctor I like best is Tom Baker.
I liked Tennant, and I like smith, but I'm not too fond of Eccleston.
However, I don't think anybody noticed the double standard and possible hypocrisy on the Doctors' part in this episode.
He allowed the workers gangers to live, because life is sacred.
But he didn't allow ganger Amy to live.
Curious, that.
Also, for those who might not know, ganger is short for doppelganger.
In Norse mythology, a vardøger is a ghostly double who precedes a living person and is seen performing their actions in advance. In Finnish mythology, this is called having an Etiäinen, i.e., "a firstcomer". In Ancient Egyptian mythology, a "ka" was a tangible "spirit double" having the same memories and feeling as the original person. In one Egyptian myth titled "The Greek Princess," an Egyptian view of the Trojan War, a ka of Helen was used to mislead Paris of Troy, helping to stop the war. In some myths, the doppelgänger is a version of the Ankou, a personification of death; in a tradition of the Talmud, to meet oneself means to meet God.
And there's even more interesting stuff in this wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger
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This episode was pretty good. Middle of the road, as far as I'm concerned. The last couple minutes, of course, were intense (if a little predictable). But it definitely didn't blow me away. The whole ep was fairly predictable, including the Doctor swap. I have to say, though, it was a nice touch at the beginning when you could hear a couple of the previous Doctors!
Looking forward to the next ep!"We still commit murder because of greed and spite and jealousy, and we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything we've done. [...] Its not enough to survive... One has to be worthy of survival."
~William Adama
All this has happened before. All this is happening again.
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Originally posted by Archaeis View PostFew plot points in the episodes that didn't quite add up to me.
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Spoiler:4) Real doctor needs to ask for new shoes, but ganger doctor finds identical outfit?
The Doctor went into the castle and looked at the Flesh machine before the solar storm hit. It was then that he was communicating with the machine, and the machine with him, or at least with the sonic screwdriver that gave the Doctor all of the info he needed to know -- enough to plop his hand into the goo. Later -- The original Doctor's shoes got melted after he went to retrieve his TARDIS and discovered it sank almost all the way into the ground from the acid leak, which occurred after the Doctor got knocked off the rooster tower from the solar storm. Hope that helps.
Helps to see the story for the 2nd and 3rd times, too to catch all the little things missed on the first viewing round.
Originally posted by Archaeis View Post...
Spoiler:2) Was there just randomly a second sonic screwdriver that the doctors were tossing around? It seems like a burdensome thing to carry 2 of, given how much bigger it looks than the last.
Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostTime Lord pockets are bigger on the inside
That's been sort of established probably before Tom Baker's Doctor #4, but definitely during Doctor #4 pulling out more things out of his pockets than seemed possible to fit. There's a long-term (entire series old classic and new DW) running joke that what's inside the Doctor's pockets exist within another dimension, as well.
Originally posted by Archaeis View Post...
Spoiler:
1) If Amy was a ganger being remotely controlled from when/wherever she is right now, why didn't she become a self-aware one like the others during the solar storm?
Originally posted by Jonzey View PostSpoiler:1) I'm guessing ganger Amy was different since she had the same consciousness as realAmy
Originally posted by Archaeis View Post...
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3) If the energy from the TARDIS stabilized the to people, why could ganger amy melt away?
Afterall, his body was burned (melted down?) in the middle of a lake, so it was not exactly visible what was actually happening from the shoreline.
Originally posted by Galileo_Galilee View PostHowever, I don't think anybody noticed the double standard and possible hypocrisy on the Doctors' part in this episode.
He allowed the workers gangers to live, because life is sacred.
But he didn't allow ganger Amy to live.
Curious, that.
Originally posted by Nth Chevron View PostWell it has been said the TARDIS is telepathic, if not, it must have other receptors by which to know its inhabitants, maybe Amy's subconcious was bleeding through from her real body and screaming she was pregnant whilst conscious ganger Amy was trying to say she wasnt. A little psychic interference there i think.
Ganger Amy didn't really seemed too concerned that Rory took off with Jennifer, even tho it seemed Ganger Amy was seeing the compassionate nurse side of Rory being expressed, and just let him do his nurse-related work.
I still think this was a situation of Ganger Amy being created as a fully functioning shell with real blood (in the Pirate story), but she was existing mentally in a dream sort of state -- as has been hinted by the eye-patch lady in the season six opener ep's orphanage scene "ehh, she's just dreaming" -- and could thus be disconnected from the shell at any point in time/space. The TARDIS would see that. And it might also explain why the TARDIS favored Rory with giving him super-secret TARDIS codes over Amy (apart from liking males), during The Doctor's Wife episode.
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Originally posted by mi_guard View Postso Amy told the flesh Doctor that she saw the real Doctor die, but as the two had switched, in fact she informed the real Doctor of his future death - did I get it right?
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Originally posted by mi_guard View Postthat must have been a bit of a shocker for him
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