The Almost People (3206)

[knowles2]

It was alright.

But next episode looks so much better.

Spoiler:

Big ass Space battle.
People with light sabers .

Doctor child coming along.
An inter show alien appearing from Star trek,
A gun battle.

What more could we ask for, no old enemies showing up will undoubtedly make it better but shamefully we have got the cybermen, not as bad as Daleks, but still way over use enemy and boring.

[Billz]

It was alright.

But next episode looks so much better.

Spoiler:

Doctor child coming along.
An inter show alien appearing from Star trek,
A gun battle.

Did not see those things at all in the trailer. Your imagination maybe?

[DigiFluid]

I think knowles meant this trailer (for next week's episode). Though I spotted at least one old enemy in there.

[Billz]

I think knowles meant this trailer (for next week's episode). Though I spotted at least one old enemy in there.

Still not seeing the Star Trek alien or a baby that could be the Doctors' that knowles was talking about. I'm seeing Amy with her baby. Doesn't mean to say that is the Doctors' baby aswell. Rory could have easily "got there first" .

[DigiFluid]

Ah. TBH I didn't click your spoiler tag to see the ones you'd highlighted, I just assumed you had quoted his entire post

[Billz]

Ah. TBH I didn't click your spoiler tag to see the ones you'd highlighted, I just assumed you had quoted his entire post

Spoiler tags are there to be clicked.

[knowles2]

Still not seeing the Star Trek alien or a baby that could be the Doctors' that knowles was talking about. I'm seeing Amy with her baby. Doesn't mean to say that is the Doctors' baby aswell. Rory could have easily "got there first" .

Spoiler:

The Bolian (fat blue alien) says they are using the device on the Doctor child, so there seem to be only one child i the episode, Amy Child.

This video here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h74x2

The big fat blue alien is clearly a Bolian for star trek. Or I suppose he could be a Delvian on a visit from the Farscape universe. There been a lot of blue aliens in Scifi, but could not they choose a more original color.



An it seem we even got some Jedi/ Lord Sith showing up as well from the Star wars universe. They even got the cloaks and light Sabers .

which can be seen here An you see the shoot out in that video to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h7m4l

[Naonak]

Spoiler:

The Bolian (fat blue alien) says they are using the device on the Doctor child, so there seem to be only one child i the episode, Amy Child.

Spoiler:

He doesn't specifically say it's the Doctor's kid - just that he's heard rumours about who it is, and that it'd anger the Doctor. Could easily just be "The Doctor's companion's child?!", which the Doctor wouldn't exactly take lying down either.

[kirmit]

I liked the episode, I liked the big twist but I found alot of contradictions. For example, The Doctor said the tardis energy made the gangers real people, why didn't it do the same for ganger Amy? Also, the whole time in this 2 parter, The Doctor has been going on about how the gangers have a right to live, how they're people too and then he just went and killed ganger Amy.

[Ian-S]

I get the feeling Amy hasnt been Amy for awhile...
Dunno when they would have switched though...

I'm guessing somewhere between The Big Bang and The Impossible Astronaut (or perhaps the 4(?) month gap between TIA and Day of the Moon.

Now I'm starting to wonder if the Doctor we saw die in TIA was the danger from this episode and the age thing was just a red herring - god could the guy in the Astronaut suit be the Doctor himself? Time to go back and see what shoes the older Doctor was wearing....

My head is about to go pop trying to work this out.

btw, does The Doctor have a Sonic Screwdriver manufacturing plant in his inside pocket?

[knowles2]

I liked the episode, I liked the big twist but I found alot of contradictions. For example, The Doctor said the tardis energy made the gangers real people, why didn't it do the same for ganger Amy?

The Tardis energy did not make them real people. It just fixed them so they could not longer go into monster looking mode with white skin when they get stress or angry or confuse. They are still synthetic flesh.

Also, the whole time in this 2 parter, The Doctor has been going on about how the gangers have a right to live, how they're people too and then he just went and killed ganger Amy.

Perhaps because who ever got the real Amy was spying on the Doctor through the flesh Amy, and he could not figure out how to cut them off.

And the consider the next episode is about him rescuing the real Amy it was just to much of a security risk keeping her on board the Tardis.

[Carter1994]

Wow, what an episode. That was just great.

First off, hurrah for being right about Amy as a 'Ganger. Those last two minutes... wow. It seems to me as if Amy must have been captured in between The Impossible Astronaut and Day of the Moon, when they were in the warehouse. Amy was already at least two months pregnant (but not much more, or she'd would be showing) at this point, and by the time they regroup at Area 51, three more months have passed. So the switch pretty much had to have been in the warehouse. And now I'm wondering if anyone else is a ganger... Like the entire Silence army. A rather unlikely scenario, but possibly plausible? Nah.

Anyway! As to the first 43 minutes of today's episode (haha), I really quite enjoyed it. Both Jennifers being Gangers was rather obvious (especially considering the blood-curdling scream we heard at the end of last week's episode), but I have to say I didn't figure out that the two Doctors switched spots. Comes from paying too much attention to Amy, I suppose. I did feel bad for Jennifer in the end (always the quiet ones...). She almost seemed schizophrenic.

I did get a kick out of the scene where the Doctor's leaning over Real!Jennifer and proclaims her dead--the actress took a deep breath right as he said it.

Also, the whole time in this 2 parter, The Doctor has been going on about how the gangers have a right to live, how they're people too and then he just went and killed ganger Amy.

I knew someone was going to ask this. Ganger!Amy was not like the other flesh. Real Amy was still controlling it, so it was just a shell. The other Gangers in this episode were alive and separate from the original people because of the electrical strike.

[PMN1]

The Impossible Astronaut - The Doctor from almost 200 years into the future sent his 908 year old self an invitation to meet up with Amy, Rory and River in that diner.

Interesting point made on the Gaiifreybase website

In the first episode of the impossible astronaut when the gang are at the picnic.

The doctor states he is 1103, Amy says 1103? you were 908 the last time we saw you.

After he dies, back at the dinner the doctor walks out from the back room and after River asks him to tell Amy how old he was, he says that he is 909 years old.

The last time they saw the "real" doctor his age was 908 - "the 909 doctor and the 1103 doctor could be the fakes" or the same person.


Or...the Doctor had a birthday between A Christmas Carol and The Impossible Astronaut.

[Teddybrown]

The Doctor Who Confidential for this episode says that Amy first appeared in the last few minutes of this episode. Since the beginning of Season 32 we've been watching a 'Ganger.

Ooo, interesting, Ill have to watch that
Wonder when the switch was made then?

Who else thinks we will see the Doctor uniting with some of his old enemies to fight one common enemy to them all?
The BBC website states that

Spoiler:

The Cybermen, Sontarans and Sullarians are showing up and also a cast list lists Hugh Bonnevilles character
Now my guess is that the Doctor goes across galaxies rounding up all these people to help because a synopsis I read said the Doctor is raising an army to rescue Amy and he and Rory are calling in long-held debts and solemnly given promises

But also, it says his enemies are laying a trap for him so maybe these enemies are part of this trap...

It seems these promo pictures confirm my idea that atleast the Sontarans are helping us the Doctor and Rory
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/a-good-man-...pics-20754.htm

[sparklegem]

Well, can't say I'm surprised at the ending. I know I've bemoaned this in another thread, but if you will allow me, I have to say that just unwitting reading the 1st sentence of the BBC description of a Good Man Goes to War kind of ruined this episode for me. I would have been ecstatic to see my theory (shared by many others) come to fruition, except that already having had it pretty much confirmed by reading "Amy is kidnapped" in A Good Man Goes to War pretty much made this a "Yes, duh, can we please get on with it?" moment. Thanks so much BBC.

I did not see the shoe-switch coming. That was quite clever, fielding Amy and the others' prejudice like that.

At the end, I have to say the Doctor could have been more tactful in how he broke it to Amy. There was no rush--he could have taken a minute to explain it to Amy gently instead of scaring her out of her mind. I'm sure someone's going to make the argument that he didn't want to give anything away to her captors, but surely there are things he could have said that wouldn't have mattered.

I hope Cleaves is happy. Thanks to her being trigger-happy with her taser thing, she got almost her entire team and their copies killed, AND the Doctor. Way to go. But Jen was going to be an unstable evil thing regardless.

Again, this episode added to the inconsistency of the Doctor's medical capabilities. He didn't save Abigail, he just sat there while Rory's heart had stopped, and yet he can mix solutions together to save everyone in New Earth, genetically alter a whole species of Dalek-Human hybrid, and spontaneously come up with an oral treatment for a blood clot after psychically diagnosing it. I really wish we'd get a little more exposition on the Doctor's medical capabilities so it didn't seem like such a writing convenience where, if the character needs to die for the plot, the Doctor can't treat them, but otherwise he can.

And, oh, the ganger!Doctor. The first 15 minutes were pure GOLD with all the interactions between the Doctor, ganger!Doctor, and Amy, and the trauma that the ganger!Doctor was experiencing. So because of that, I can't begrudge the episode in its entirety. As I wrote in the Rebel Flesh episode, however, I was dreading how the episode was going to resolve because I hate every clone/double character story that ends with the mandatory contrived killing of one of them, and sure enough... I apologize that I am being overly-ranty, but this is a pet-peeve of mine, and I am angry that the episode went there, and so soon after I had to sit through SGU's version of the same crap. One, Cleaves and ganger!Doctor could have easily both run for the TARDIS, and yet to make the scene work they had to write it such that both Doctors were resigned to it being the only solution. Two, there was no need for them both to stay at the door, that was senseless killing of at least one of them. Three, the episode did not go far enough to make his sacrifice poignant or mourn the death of the Doctor. Amy was the only thing I liked about that scene. I could tell Matt Smith was doing the best with his material, but...Gah. [/rant]. The episode gave me enough good things that I can't hate it, but I can't like it either because of this.

Was I the only one who didn't notice David Tennants voice during the first time watching the freakout?

It wasn't obvious to me on first watch which Doctor it was supposed to be. I associate "Hello, I'm the Doctor" more with Nine then with Ten, so I thought it was supposed to be Nine.

btw, does The Doctor have a Sonic Screwdriver manufacturing plant in his inside pocket?

Actually there's a specific gizmo-a-bob on the TARDIS console that fabricates things and creates new sonic screwdrivers for the Doctor.

[Archaeis]

Am I the only one who thought the Eyepatch Lady looked a lot like River in the last couple minutes?

[sparklegem]

I just thought of another way to foil that 'someone needs to sacrifice to let the others get away' ending. They had the TARDIS, which has a bunch of stuff in it, right? Could they have just found some heavy objects in the TARDIS to block the door with?

And someone just pointed out an even more obvious solution: since the sonic screwdriver killed monster!Jenny before she reached Cleaves and ganger!Doctor, why didn't the real Doctor just do the same thing instead, and then he wouldn't have melted along with Jenny, and could have just walked back to the TARDIS. What the heck.

Am I the only one who thought the Eyepatch Lady looked a lot like River in the last couple minutes?

She definitely bears a resemblance to her.

[huntress]

The episode was so so. Liked it when the gänger(!) doctor had the voice of Tom Baker for one short moment but the last five minutes were really the most interesting. I was satisfied that my theory regarding both the woman with the eyepatch and Amelia played out exatly how I thought. It wasn't really a surprise moment for me. More like "Aha - thought as much" moment which was equally nice.

Spoiler:

BTW I do not think we have EVER seen the real Amelia through the whole series. I actually think that the Amelia from "The Impossible Astronaut" was already a Gänger. Why? Because she saw the lady with the eyepatch WHILE she was in the orphanage and before we saw her being captured and even then the woman was talking to someone else and saying "No I think she is just dreaming", it was also that little window like the piece of wall in the last two parter, which means that Amy was already in that tube like chamber! It might be very well, that Amy was stolen even before the "Impossible Astronaut" and everything we have seen so far have either been dreams of an Amy who was kept in stasis or something while her child grew inside of her or she is was linked to the Gänger who had all those adventures including the one with the Silence. If that is true, then it would be a pretty fantastic twist and mind game played by Steven Moffat. Also why were Rory and Amy at home when we saw them in the first episode. The last time we have seen them , they were travelling with the doctor, so we know some time has elapsed and Amy might very well have been kidnapped in one of those adventures in between.

Just a thought.

Next weeks episode looks epic but it sucks that it will be again a cliffhanger and that we will have to wait half a year for the series to continue .

[Teddybrown]

Well, can't say I'm surprised at the ending. I know I've bemoaned this in another thread, but if you will allow me, I have to say that just unwitting reading the 1st sentence of the BBC description of a Good Man Goes to War kind of ruined this episode for me. I would have been ecstatic to see my theory (shared by many others) come to fruition, except that already having had it pretty much confirmed by reading "Amy is kidnapped" in A Good Man Goes to War pretty much made this a "Yes, duh, can we please get on with it?" moment. Thanks so much BBC.

I read the synopsis for episode 7 before this episode too.
Although Id contemplated Amy being a ganger, I thought she was going to be abducted this episode, even though I had my suspicions she had been taken before, I was genuinely suprised by the ending. So it wasnt really spoiled for me, it just made me wonder when shed be kidnapped and how.

[Galileo_Galilee]

Sigh. I can't see this episode until next week. Because of memorial day.

The problem with doubles though is how can one be certain that they aren't just another double?