Ancient's failures and Plethora of other failed projects

[escyos]

The Asurans didn't work perfectly at all, they were designed as a weapon to fight the Wraith, but didn't work out as what the Ancients wanted them to be so they tried to destroy them.

Only because they evolved and gained human form and they saw them as a threat.

[KEK]

Only because they evolved and gained human form and they saw them as a threat.

Pretty sure that wasn't he reason, it was because they started wiping out humans to defeat the Wraith. Either way, still a failed project.

[garhkal]

What exactely did they fail at?
Arcturus - it worked, it just didnt work good until we blew it up

Lets see.. Exotic particles blowing up portions of our universe?? Doubt that is a good sign

Wraith - more of an accident then a failure

I'll give you that.

Asurans - They worked perfectly until we interfered

Sure seems like we are the failures rather than the Ancients

How? They were not attacking the Wraith.. AND they do so by taking out all the humans...

I would also add in Attero device. YES it worked by stranding the wraith, but it also blew up stargates..

[escyos]

Pretty sure that wasn't he reason, it was because they started wiping out humans to defeat the Wraith. Either way, still a failed project.

That was AFTER we gave them access to their programming

[escyos]

Lets see.. Exotic particles blowing up portions of our universe?? Doubt that is a good sign

Yes but it still generated energy, there was just a side effect.

How? They were not attacking the Wraith.. AND they do so by taking out all the humans...

I would also add in Attero device. YES it worked by stranding the wraith, but it also blew up stargates..

The command was disabled probably never even activated because the Ancients feared they would turn against them. They didnt start killing humans until we messed with them.

As for Attero, it worked, it did what Janus wanted it to do. The Stargate thing was a side effect, plus as far as we knew he was the only one working on it. Would you call the human race a failure if one person failed at something?

[KEK]

That was AFTER we gave them access to their programming

No, they had a command in their programming that compelled them to kill Wraith which was deactivated, presumably by the Ancients, and presumably because they started massacring humans, hence they didn't work asp planned. It's possible that isn't the case of course, but that seemed to be the implication.

[escyos]

No, they had a command in their programming that compelled them to kill Wraith which was deactivated, presumably by the Ancients, and presumably because they started massacring humans, hence they didn't work asp planned. It's possible that isn't the case of course, but that seemed to be the implication.

thats conjecture, until we are told they did, they did not. Therefore all we know is that the evolved and were angry, due to them being programmed that way, and the Ancients didn't like that they wanted to emulate them so much so they destroyed them.

[garhkal]

Yes but it still generated energy, there was just a side effect.

As for Attero, it worked, it did what Janus wanted it to do. The Stargate thing was a side effect, plus as far as we knew he was the only one working on it. Would you call the human race a failure if one person failed at something?

One massive ass side effect, for both. Destroy vast areas of our space... or planets in the case of the gates.

[GoodSmeagol]

No, they had a command in their programming that compelled them to kill Wraith which was deactivated, presumably by the Ancients, and presumably because they started massacring humans, hence they didn't work asp planned. It's possible that isn't the case of course, but that seemed to be the implication.

Am I the only one who knows better this this?!?

Todd established the WRAITH turned off the original attack command.
Hence him bringing their old program to Atlantis to work with Rodney to reassert the counter command.

It is stated in the original Asuran episode by Laim via Weirs head that the ancients feared their new creation so therefore tried to destroy them.

They attacked humans ONLY after we fracked their code up.


Watch the show!

[D Toccs]

No, they had a command in their programming that compelled them to kill Wraith which was deactivated, presumably by the Ancients, and presumably because they started massacring humans, hence they didn't work asp planned. It's possible that isn't the case of course, but that seemed to be the implication.

It was established that the Wraith were the ones who turned off the attack command.

The Ancients considered the Asurans a failure because they wanted killer robots. The Ancient's original plan for the Asurans was probably similar to the IOA's plan to use replicators against the Ori in AoT.
However instead of killer robots, what the Ancients got was artificial life and intelligence that evolved much faster then they expected, began emulating them and wanted the aggression removed from their programming. So therefore as a weapon the Asurans were a failure.

[s09119]

Just to clarify, Arcturus never destroyed portions of the universe. That was our flawed version of it.

[coZma]

Stargate Atlantis introduced the environment where Ancients were at their peak in technological advancements.

I have to diagree with that. The ancients in the Pegassus were only the remnants. the shade of what once the greatest civilization in 4 galaxies. There lived the ancients that were either not advanced enough to ascend or the descendants of the plague survivors. The height of their civilization was in the Milky Way when they built the Dakara device and Destiny, which btw it is not a failed project. Not yet at least

[garhkal]

Not until/unless we make it fail!

[Gollumpus]

A perception I have of the Ancients (perhaps unfairly) is that for a species which was around *millions* of years, they really didn't develop new technology, or improve upon their existing technology, all that quickly.

regards,
G.

[garhkal]

Probabily since they were longer lived, they didn't feel a need to.

[Gollumpus]

Probabily since they were longer lived, they didn't feel a need to.

I would think that because they were longer lived this would inspire them to tinker with their technology and improve upon it or otherwise work out any bugs in the system.

regards,
G.

[garhkal]

IMO its like the diff in ADND between elves, dwarves and humans. Both the former 2 are a lot longer lived than humans, and so don't see a rush to do stuff.

[coZma]

Not until/unless we make it fail!

we are pretty damn good at that

[garhkal]

Unfortunately true..

[Trinary]

I guess Ancient didn't proceed to dial destiny because they may have found out it will cause the planet to explode. They may have suspend it to look for an alternative power source but caught up with war with the Wraith and plague. Probably, the Icarus project was unintentionally abandon project.