SGU JM - BW Battling Hard

[maxbo]

No really, they were hardly fans, and somehow I think the average person would sympathise with the actor far more than the ****wits who were attacking him, or the people trying to intimidate Alaina, for example. We're talking about a tiny minority of idiots who have been insulted here, not the target audience or the fans. If anything their reputation has only been enhanced by their comments. The only real PR disaster was Brad's rant at that critic who accused the writing team of being sexist, which he full acknowledged was a stupid thing to do afterward.

Yes, the average person would symphathize with actors who have been "attacked", but - unfortunately, some of TPTW/actor comments that rubbed fans the wrong way occurred before SGU even aired. And, for the record, only 2 actors have been guilty of multiple off-putting comments, not the entire SGU cast.

It's interesting though, how when Joe & Co reacted the same way to the SGA season 4 haters they were never accused of bad PR skills by a certain posters who happened to like that season, but now they are. Hmmmm...

Are you really trying to equate the level of recent PR-fail to TPTW's usual level of PR-fail prior to SGU? To refresh your memory, prior to SGU, TPTW limited their comments to staunchy defending their favorites and their writing by going after those who didn't like aspects of their writing - they didn't make digs at the entire SGA fandom. Nor did they knock both SG-1 and SGA fans by implying that they were satisfied with "comic-book relationships" and "flawless square-jawed heroes" and simplistic storylines.

There also weren't any comments about people not being mature or intelligent enough to get their show or that SGA was much cooler than SG-1. No, as bad as their pre-SGU comments were, they never reached the recent level of fail.

IMO, TPTW created this situation by not treating SGU as a full part of the Stargate franchise in the beginning and that carried over to some of the actor's comments when they were promoting the show. Sure, TPTW wanted to take advantage of the Stargate name in terms of using the franchise's "built-in fanbase", but they also seemed to be ashamed of classic Stargate and tried to make sure that SGU was seen as Stargate in name only. They found out the hard way that they couldn't have it both ways.

[KEK]

Are you really trying to equate the level of recent PR-fail to TPTW's usual level of PR-fail prior to SGU? To refresh your memory, prior to SGU, TPTW limited their comments to staunchy defending their favorites and their writing by going after those who didn't like aspects of their writing - they didn't make digs at the entire SGA fandom.

And they haven't since.

Nor did they knock both SG-1 and SGA fans by implying that they were satisfied with "comic-book relationships" and "flawless square-jawed heroes" and simplistic storylines.

Would you dispute those two quotes? As an SG-1 and Atlantis fan, I don't find them neither offensive nor wide of the mark. The shows were action adventures, and the characters were mostly written as hero archetypes. I don't see that as a slight, it's part and parcel of the genre.

There also weren't any comments about people not being mature or intelligent enough to get their show or that SGA was much cooler than SG-1. No, as bad as their pre-SGU comments were, they never reached the recent level of fail.

Do you have a source for those comments?

IMO, TPTW created this situation by not treating SGU as a full part of the Stargate franchise in the beginning and that carried over to some of the actor's comments when they were promoting the show. Sure, TPTW wanted to take advantage of the Stargate name in terms of using the franchise's "built-in fanbase", but they also seemed to be ashamed of classic Stargate and tried to make sure that SGU was seen as Stargate in name only.

I think you're reading things into their comments that weren't there. Joe said numerous times during SGU's run that he was proud of SGA and wished it had got a 6th season, for example.

[carmencatalina]

i'm about to help you make your point...

Whats a caper?? lol is that like rambutan or a longan?

Capers are delicious! They are actually unripened flower buds that have been pickled, and are used a lot in Mediterranean cooking. I use them in my favorite dish, Cuban picadillo.

Picture of jarred capers:


Back to the topic at hand!

[bluealien]

Now we are supposed to be mad at the cast, too? Why? They seem like cool people, and they did what they were supposed to do - ACT.

That's all I need from my actors, really!

Me too, lashing out and attacking fans for not liking your show seems very childish and immature.

Instead of speaking about SGU's cast I'd mention a certain actor from SGA who showed he has no class and neither respect for those who gave him job for five years. Yeah.

Which actor would that be and respect is earned.

In a way that's true. And having seen what kind of disrespectful and insulting comments they replied to, I'm glad they had guts to do it. Maybe not the wisest choice PR-wise, but it's what I would've done.

Again what kind of disrespectful and insulting comments would they be. The ones where Joe Mallozzi accused SGA fans of attacking the actors, but failed to produce one ounce of evidence to back up his claim. The only thing he could come up with was fans showing their dislike for the characters. Fans disliking charcters and voicing their opinions on it is not new to fandom.

As to the Alaina incident another false claim by the producers. The organisers of Comic Con even announced after they had watched the entire video of the talks that no such incident had occured.
I've never seen actors lash out and attack fans for daring to dislike their show as some of the SGU actors have and instead of just accepting that some shows don't always cut it with the audience they accuse the failure of SGU on some tiny internet group. I won't even go into how rediculous that is.
David Blue just adds to the long list of insults directed at viewers who didn't like SGU.

David Blue
Actively campaigning against a franchise doesn't lead to a reboot. Anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't:

1) understand fandom
2) understand the way the industry works
3) have any common sense
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Anybody involved in these kind of campaigns is the worst kind of fan. The "ignorant non-fan". Educate yourselves. Ignorance has no excuse.See More

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[KEK]

You're twisting words a bit there bluealien. He clearly wasn't talking about people who simply don't like the show, he was talking about the idiots who campaign against it.

[Tanith0709]

Just out of curiosity shouldn't this topic be closed at some point since JM & BW are no longer Battling Hard?

[Bagpuss]

Yep.Brad said all he wanted to at the Convention and declared there that he was returning to clear out his desk on the Monday..

There are plenty other threads to discuss the various issues raised here further.