Are the planet building aliens really that amazing?

[thenimf]

They temporarily reanimated those people.... something that we've seen on Stargate many times before. Hell, their 'reanimation' was no where near as powerful as the telchak device or even a sarcophagus! Therefore, the Goa'uld and Ancients have superior revival skills.

The Ancients created a flying city, seeded several galaxies with life and created low-cost interstellar Stargate networks.... I don't think building a planet, dropping off a ship or reanimating the dead for a short period of times are that incredible - in the context of the Stargate canon.

That said, I think it's quite clear at this point that the aliens are interested in either Destiny's crew or its Destiny's mission - which leads me to question whether we may have already seen the "planet building" aliens before, hence the need for secrecy when it came to wiping their memories....

[dgh64]

I agree completely. When the Asgard tried to trap the replicators with a time-dilation field, the replicators figured out how to reverse the field so time on the planet was accelerated. That's all the planet-building aliens would need to do to create a planet with a fully-formed ecosystem in a short time.

Transporting something (like a shuttle) across great distances instantly? Well, we do that every day with our, uh, Stargate. In Enemy at the Gates they figured out how to do it with Atlantis (Wormhole drive, wasn't quite instantaneous but close enough).

Seems to me like these aliens just watched the other shows and said "Hey, I bet we could do something like that."

[tinerin]

They temporarily reanimated those people.... something that we've seen on Stargate many times before. Hell, their 'reanimation' was no where near as powerful as the telchak device or even a sarcophagus! Therefore, the Goa'uld and Ancients have superior revival skills.

Technically, they didn't just build a planet; they built an entire solar system, which is alot more complicated.
And the Goa'uld healing technology was pretty much a fancy looking copy of Ancient tech so that doesn't really prove much.

That said, I think it's quite clear at this point that the aliens are interested in either Destiny's crew or its Destiny's mission - which leads me to question whether we may have already seen the "planet building" aliens before, hence the need for secrecy when it came to wiping their memories....

According to Mallozzi, it's not a race we've previously encountered (i.e, Ancients or Furlings).

Transporting something (like a shuttle) across great distances instantly? Well, we do that every day with our, uh, Stargate. In Enemy at the Gates they figured out how to do it with Atlantis (Wormhole drive, wasn't quite instantaneous but close enough).

At the very least, they've mastered a technology that the Ancients couldn't get to work. Which means they're at least as powerful as the Ancients; but they're actually still here as opposed to the Ancients who are as good as gone to us. So there's the potential for us to get something from them like maybe a way home...

[ckwongau]

They temporarily reanimated those people.... something that we've seen on Stargate many times before. Hell, their 'reanimation' was no where near as powerful as the telchak device or even a sarcophagus! Therefore, the Goa'uld and Ancients have superior revival skills.

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I think "temporarily reanimated those people" is really what the Planet builder were intended in the first place.Playing God is not something even the ascended Anciented wants to do.


Val had die before the winter, Peter lost hope first, leaving in the middle of the night and the rest die later on.
Val and Peter had been dead like for over a few weeks , their decomposing body can not be revive even with a sarcophagus or Ancient Telchak device. In a way it prove the Planet builder were in some way much more powerful than "Ancient".

The Replicator can revive people by replicating memories and body atom by atom, but are the Organic Replicant really the same person?or just a copy.

The Tok'r believe sarcophagus kills the soul , that why they refuse to use it even if it mean extinction.

The Planet builder repair the people like they repair the shuttle , make it brand new, but may be they never had encounter human , so they only repair dead crew like they repair the machine and send them back to Destiny.

Or the Planet builder doesn't want to play god and interfere with fate. and just give them a chance to die with their own people.

Or the Planet Builder 's reanimation is perfect in some some way , because it the people they re-animated are real , they stay as same people as they were because they die in the same way.And some people consider life is only life with it's natural death.To cheat one's natural death is not life at all .

Who is to say Planet builder's way of temporarily reanimated people are inferior to the Ancient telchak device and Goa'uld sarcophagus.

[dgh64]

I doubt we're going to get a "way home" from the aliens. For one thing, the show, or at least the show as we know it, would be over, since most of the characters would want to go back to Earth.

What I hope is that the writers don't just pull the Planet Builders out every time they need to fill in a plot hole.

[tinerin]

I doubt we're going to get a "way home" from the aliens. For one thing, the show, or at least the show as we know it, would be over, since most of the characters would want to go back to Earth.

How would the people on Destiny possibly know that though? Unless you're suggesting that they're aware that they're in a tv show...

[dgh64]

I meant that the show's writers wouldn't do that. Sort of like how, at the end of the last season, you know the Lucian Alliance won't kill all the major characters and take the ship, because then we wouldn't have a show any more.

[tinerin]

I meant that the show's writers wouldn't do that. Sort of like how, at the end of the last season, you know the Lucian Alliance won't kill all the major characters and take the ship, because then we wouldn't have a show any more.

Isn't that true for almost any book, movie, or tv show though? Did you honestly think that our Earth was ever going to be conquered or destroyed throughout the franchise?

[geewillie86]

I think that the returned crew members were delivered to send a message- that the Destiny crew shouldn't try to settle down. The crew members died the same deaths over again to show the crew what would happen if they gave up on the mission of the Destiny.

[Gatefan1976]

Technically, they didn't just build a planet; they built an entire solar system, which is alot more complicated.
And the Goa'uld healing technology was pretty much a fancy looking copy of Ancient tech so that doesn't really prove much.

1.: What does this have to do with inferior reanimation tech? Herbert West has superior reanimation skills
2.: What Ancient tech does the sarcophagus copy? I've seen DNA re-sequencers and psychic powers sure, but not "healing tech"

According to Mallozzi, it's not a race we've previously encountered (i.e, Ancients or Furlings).

Fine

At the very least, they've mastered a technology that the Ancients couldn't get to work. Which means they're at least as powerful as the Ancients; but they're actually still here as opposed to the Ancients who are as good as gone to us. So there's the potential for us to get something from them like maybe a way home...

Huh??
They may have mastered a tech the alteraans never did, but not the ascended ancients. As for them still "being around", err Huh?

"I'll take ascended ancients for $200 Bob"
"OK then, I interfere with lower beings and help them to ascend"
BZZZZ
"Who is Omma de Salla"
"Correct"

"Ascended ancients for $500 Bob"
"OK then, I directly interfered with the life of a lower plane by restoring Teal'c to life"
BZZZZ
"Who is Morgan La Fey"

Get my drift.

[pipi]

They temporarily reanimated those people.... something that we've seen on Stargate many times before. Hell, their 'reanimation' was no where near as powerful as the telchak device or even a sarcophagus! Therefore, the Goa'uld and Ancients have superior revival skills.

The Ancients created a flying city, seeded several galaxies with life and created low-cost interstellar Stargate networks.... I don't think building a planet, dropping off a ship or reanimating the dead for a short period of times are that incredible - in the context of the Stargate canon.

That said, I think it's quite clear at this point that the aliens are interested in either Destiny's crew or its Destiny's mission - which leads me to question whether we may have already seen the "planet building" aliens before, hence the need for secrecy when it came to wiping their memories....

Regarding the revival of the bodies, from the Kino most of them were long dead before the bright light showed up. And when they had their physical examination on Destiny they were in perfect health, including the girl that got crushed by a tree and probably buried somewhere. So with that information, it is plausible to say they were rematerialised from thin air without their original bodies. Like clones with no souls. And these clones then died on Destiny on purpose to send a message, not because the technology was inferior.

[dgh64]

Isn't that true for almost any book, movie, or tv show though?

Exactly my point. SGU has killed off a couple of "main" characters (Riley, for example) so there is still a feeling of peril, but I'm absolutely sure that Eli, Chloe, Scott, Young, Rush, and a few others are going to survive no matter what.

[dgh64]

2.: What Ancient tech does the sarcophagus copy? I've seen DNA re-sequencers and psychic powers sure, but not "healing tech"

The cube thing Daniel and Dr. Lee found in South America was Ancient tech, and it's what the sarcophagus is based on.

[tinerin]

2.: What Ancient tech does the sarcophagus copy? I've seen DNA re-sequencers and psychic powers sure, but not "healing tech"

Tel'chak (a Goa'uld) created the first sarcophagus by copying an Ancient healing device he found. It later turned some crazy South American kidnappers into zombies...

They may have mastered a tech the alteraans never did, but not the ascended ancients.

What's your point here? They're technology is amazing; definitely surpassing any technology we've encountered before...and since it's presumably technology and not magical ascended powers, it's something that we could theoretically use and replicate if they taught us.

As for them still "being around", err Huh?

They gave us a shuttle and our people back at least temporarily, so they're still around in some form and interacting with us in some way, unlike the Ancients.


I'm not sure what your point is. You're comparing ascended beings (which presumably comes with all the knowledge of the universe or something like that) with what we are assuming are non-ascended beings.

[dgh64]

I'm not sure what your point is. You're comparing ascended beings (which presumably comes with all the knowledge of the universe or something like that) with what we are assuming are non-ascended beings.

I think Gatefan's point is that the (ascended) Ancients interacted with us, Oma helped Daniel ascend a couple times and Morgan helped us defeat the Ori, which is a pretty big interaction... way more impressive than just temporarily reanimating a shuttle full of people. So the Ancients are still around, just not in physical bodies.

[Trinary]

I think you guys speculate too much about the Planet Builder. I would rather called it or whatever cause reanimation as the Beamer. By taking a straight forward fact presented to us from Faith episode, the star and planet was not there before and and it's kind of brand new solar system without an evolution traces. A shiny new star and planet out of thin air. So, the obelisk staying there to maintain the solar system longevity.

Probably the alien who create the Obelisk could reinstate an old object back to new atom and reanimate a dead cell or life form. Then beam them to a new location far, far away in the Universe. The Obelisk probably a maintenance device that has great AI mimics the alien who created it similar to Destiny.

So, when people from Destiny comes to the planet, the Obelisk scan these foreign entity(by firing light to sky) and monitoring them which could damaging the planet. The Obelisk AI must have learn that Dr. Caine group and the shuttle originated from Destiny ship. Once the foreign entities no longer alive or become a waste to the planet, the Obelisk simply clean, reanimated and send them back to it's known origin (Destiny).

[tinerin]

I think Gatefan's point is that the (ascended) Ancients interacted with us, Oma helped Daniel ascend a couple times and Morgan helped us defeat the Ori, which is a pretty big interaction... way more impressive than just temporarily reanimating a shuttle full of people. So the Ancients are still around, just not in physical bodies.

Well Morgan helping us doesn't really count since the Ori were going to exterminate the ascended Ancients if we didn't stop them. And Oma had a very limited ability to interfere in our realm and it was mostly a punishment by the other ascended beings for what she did with Anubis. But all of our interactions with ascended beings (ascended Daniel, Oma, Morgan, Orlin, that super hot Pegasus Ancient) shows that the others would stop another ascended being from interfering too much with us. Yeah, they're still around, but it doesn't really matter to us.

[wolverine_nl]

These Planet builders are highly intelligent. As pointed out by some1 else, they gave a signal to the crew of Destiny that they need to carry on and not settle on a planet.

Also, maybe they also have their own rules not to interfere too much in lesser advanced beings and thus gave help to Caine's crew and revived them to be able to say goodbye and then die a natural death, which stays true to nature and the order of things, otherwise they are interfering in the natural way of things.

But on the other hand, Caine stated that his soul was already gone and he has partly the memories of the real Caine and not everything.

So my conclusion is that the Planet builders are sending the crew of Destiny the message to carry on, maybe because they know it is their Destiny

[AndSoItBegins]

They temporarily reanimated those people.... something that we've seen on Stargate many times before. Hell, their 'reanimation' was no where near as powerful as the telchak device or even a sarcophagus! Therefore, the Goa'uld and Ancients have superior revival skills.

The Ancients created a flying city, seeded several galaxies with life and created low-cost interstellar Stargate networks.... I don't think building a planet, dropping off a ship or reanimating the dead for a short period of times are that incredible - in the context of the Stargate canon.

That said, I think it's quite clear at this point that the aliens are interested in either Destiny's crew or its Destiny's mission - which leads me to question whether we may have already seen the "planet building" aliens before, hence the need for secrecy when it came to wiping their memories....

Which characters on the show and what posters on these boards even mentioned that the aliens were amazing? Until I know that I don't even understand the question that is used as the title of your post.

[dgh64]

When they first found the planet everyone on the show was like "Wow, someone who could create a whole planet is pretty powerful." But, like I said before, all you'd really need is a time-dilation field like the one the Asgard used against the replicators, just bigger so it'll go around the whole star system, and bam, brand new planet, fully developed ecosystem, in just a couple thousand (or however many) years.