Are the planet building aliens really that amazing?

[AndSoItBegins]

When they first found the planet everyone on the show was like "Wow, someone who could create a whole planet is pretty powerful." .

Okay, you're referring to a moment from an episode in season one that I must have forgotten. But still making a planet is an amazing feat even if in the Stargate universe there have been other beings who have done at least as much. Take this analogy...if you see a 7 foot college basketball center dominate a game you can say "wow, that guy is amazing" even though you have seen 7-footers in the NBA who have been much more dominant.

[Descended]

I agree completely. When the Asgard tried to trap the replicators with a time-dilation field, the replicators figured out how to reverse the field so time on the planet was accelerated. That's all the planet-building aliens would need to do to create a planet with a fully-formed ecosystem in a short time.

Transporting something (like a shuttle) across great distances instantly? Well, we do that every day with our, uh, Stargate. In Enemy at the Gates they figured out how to do it with Atlantis (Wormhole drive, wasn't quite instantaneous but close enough).

Seems to me like these aliens just watched the other shows and said "Hey, I bet we could do something like that."

Really really good point! If you created an accelerated time dilation field around a gas cloud or a nebula you could create stars and planets quickly. A little nudging into the "goldilocks zone" and the planet should become habitable.

A better question is... why create a planet at all? We have seen that the galaxies are literally full of "habitable" worlds, at least several thousand in the MW alone, so what purpose does it serve? I would be more impressed if they had found a Dyson's sphere in their path, or another similar "mega-structure") Creating a planet wouldn't be too difficult for an extremely high-tech race, but a Dyson's sphere would be much more impressive, given that it has trillions of times the surface area.

[Gatefan1976]

The cube thing Daniel and Dr. Lee found in South America was Ancient tech, and it's what the sarcophagus is based on.

Bah, got me there , I'd forgotten about that thing.

[Stalekon]

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Answer: The aliens didn’t know they would just end up dying again. They assumed they had “fixed” them.

This proves that the aliens didn't made it temporary on purpose.

I think that these aliens used some kind of a time reverse process on the body remains they found but unfortunately it wasn't stable or so and that is why their bodies got the same injuries out of nowhere.If this theory is true this makes them a pretty strong race because time manipulation isn't that easy.

[Gatefan1976]

This proves that the aliens didn't made it temporary on purpose.

I think that these aliens used some kind of a time reverse process on the body remains they found but unfortunately it wasn't stable or so and that is why their bodies got the same injuries out of nowhere.If this theory is true this makes them a pretty strong race because time manipulation isn't that easy.

Hmm, if that is the case, it reminds me more of the kid that the Reetu made to warn SG1. It even makes more sense because you would assume that the "planet builders" would know even less than the Reetu about human physiology and how to make a human "work right"

[Dr. Carter]

Riddle me this...

When Abydos was destroyed in "Stargate: SG-1" episode "Full Circle", the Ancients brought the entire planet back from destruction. Jack, Sam, Jackson, and Teal'C were allowed to visit everyone before they cut the connection. Why did they do that?

So, that Jack and company would know things would be okay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Ci...argate_SG-1%29

Back at SGC, SGC personnel attempt to dial back to Abydos, but they are unable to connect, and fear that Abydos may have been obliterated by Anubis's superweapon. SG-1 continue to brief General Hammond about the situation and everything that transpired on Abydos. Carter and Walter continue dialing Abydos, as Carter refuses to believe that the planet is gone. Suddenly, after dozens of attempts, the Stargate establishes a wormhole to Abydos. Hammond allows SG-1 to return to Abydos to find out what has happened. SG-1 goes through the gate and discovers Skaara and his people. Astonished and yet relieved, SG-1 ask Skaara what happened. Skaara tells them that Oma helped all the Abydonian people around the planet ascend and that the people and the Stargate are only an illusion. Skaara sadly informs them that he has not heard anything about Daniel’s fate. Suddenly, all the people disappear. Relieved that the Abydonians had not perished during Anubis's attack, SG-1 then returns back to Earth.

[SoulReaver]

And the Goa'uld healing technology was pretty much a fancy looking copy of Ancient tech so that doesn't really prove much.

it proves that the snakes are capable of reverse-engineering ancient tech, I say that's quite an very impressive feat

[Gatefan1976]

Riddle me this...

When Abydos was destroyed in "Stargate: SG-1" episode "Full Circle", the Ancients brought the entire planet back from destruction. Jack, Sam, Jackson, and Teal'C were allowed to visit everyone before they cut the connection. Why did they do that?

So, that Jack and company would know things would be okay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Ci...argate_SG-1%29

I think that was a very specific instance because it was not "the ancients" per se, but Oma doing it herself because of her guilt over the fact that it would not have happened if she didn't help Anubis ascend in the first place.

[Dr. Carter]

I think that was a very specific instance because it was not "the ancients" per se, but Oma doing it herself because of her guilt over the fact that it would not have happened if she didn't help Anubis ascend in the first place.

It proves that the Ancients can make planets and bring people back to life briefly. Oma is an Ancient.

[morbosfist]

There's no proof the entire planet was destroyed. Only the area around the gate. Anubis' weapon is never said to be that powerful.

[tinerin]

It proves that Ancients can make planets. Oma is an Ancient.

Do we actually know for sure that the planet was physically destroyed and not just stargate and the the Abydonians? I was under the impression that the effect of Anubis' weapon would be similar to say dropping one of our "gate busters" on a planet. If that's the case, then what Oma did really isn't that impressive.

Anyways, all it proves is that Ascended Ancients have that kind of power, which noone is doubting. But it would be pretty impressive for unascended beings compared to the ones we've met.

[Dr. Carter]

There's no proof the entire planet was destroyed. Only the area around the gate. Anubis' weapon is never said to be that powerful.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Full_Circle

O'Neill surrenders the Eye to Her'ak and the Jaffa leave. On the ship, Her'ak gives Anubis the Eye, and Anubis powers up a large weapon. It fires on Yu’s ships and destroys many of them. The few left retreat, unable to penetrate Anubis' shields, with Lord Yu, also still alive. Anubis plans to destroy Abydos anyway but Daniel appears and demands that he stop. Anubis refuses, and goads Daniel into attacking him. Daniel attempts to use his ascended powers to destroy Anubis, however, his attack is cut short and he is spirited away by Oma Desala. Anubis, rid of his last obstacle, fires the superweapon at the pyramid on Abydos, where Jack is, and Jack slips through the event horizon of the Abydos Stargate and back to the SGC just in time. The planet Abydos is then destroyed.

http://gateworld.net/sg1/s6/622.shtml

Anubis activates his weapon once again, and a massive burst strikes the pyramid on the planet's surface. SG-1 returns to Earth through the Stargate, and Jack witnesses the pyramid collapse around him as he steps through the gate. The pyramid, the planet, everything is utterly annihilated.

Hmm... What now?

The Ancients created that planet and obelisk.

[tinerin]

Carter insists that they keep trying -- she won't give up until someone with a ship flies over the planet and tells her there's nothing left alive.

Skaara tells them that Oma helped all the Abydonian people around the planet ascend and that the people and the Stargate are only an illusion.

Destroying a planet could just mean destroying the population of the planet.

[Dr. Carter]

See above your post. Its not metaphorical.

[Gatefan1976]

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Full_Circle


http://gateworld.net/sg1/s6/622.shtml

Hmm... What now?

The Ancients created that planet and obelisk.

Hmm, prove that Oma recreated Abydos and didn't just put a projection into the minds of SG1

[Dr. Carter]

Hmm, prove that Oma recreated Abydos and didn't just put a projection into the minds of SG1

I am going to let you people think the way you want. I am not here to force everyone to think my way. Since they have been dropping hints towards this direction since episode one, it is just a matter of time until people start connecting the dots. You can believe in anything you want.

"Stargate: Universe" is about the Ancients in general, and how a human crew got stranded onto their abandoned ship. Ever since they came aboard the Destiny, the Ancients have been visiting key characters. Scot, Rush, Young, T.J., etc...

Since the show is moving slower than a normal "Stargate" series, people will end up connecting the pieces slower than others. If you listen and pay attention to small pieces, you would have noticed the Ancients in this sector have an interesting way of helping people.

We have proof that the show writers like to take the same species, and put them into another galaxy with different belief systems. Asgards in Milky Way gallaxy versus Asgard in the Peragus galaxy. Same species with a different slant to their level of involvement. Similar to what we are now seeing.

It is definitely the Ancients.

Before anyone comments like the poster below this one, read my comments here:
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...1#post12107112
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...1#post12107160

[morbosfist]

It isn't the Ancients, as Mallozi has expressed his dislike of ascended beings.

The Ancients have never been shown to recreate a planet. Anubis' superweapon did not destory Abydos, because they would have brought that up when he tried to do it to the planet they found Daniel on.

[Dr. Carter]

It isn't the Ancients, as Mallozi has expressed his dislike of ascended beings.

Even though he may not like ascended beings, that does not mean he would not write a story about them. Destiny was built by the Ancients before they became ascended beings. If he didn't like ascended beings, why is he involved with a show about them?

Again, do with the information I posted as you will. After solving the puzzle behind the show, I am more engaged into this series.

[Gala]

I think some of you are making a big mistake here interpreting that ascension leads to some god-like power. All it really is is a different and more advanced form of existence. We know that they can manipulate nature, become invisible and even destroy things but as far as creating anything goes well they cant just do that out of nothing and nothing we have seen so far suggests this. Otherwise the Ori wouldn't have needed their followers to build their ships.

Ascended beings can't build a space ship but they can build a planet? I think not.. This new race doesn't have to be 'ascended' to have greater ability than the ascended ancients do.

[morbosfist]

Even though he may not like ascended beings, that does not mean he would not write a story about them. Destiny was built by the Ancients before they became ascended beings. If he didn't like ascended beings, why is he involved with a show about them?

Again, do with the information I posted as you will. After solving the puzzle behind the show, I am more engaged into this series.

You haven't solved anything. You've made up this conclusion entirely of your own volition in complete disregard of the guy who knows a lot better than you do. These aren't the Ancients, and no one on the staff treats them as such. The Ancients could never do what these aliens do.