What is the best/most powerfull Ship Class in the Stargate?

[mickhhh]

It looks like a chamber, they both look like big chambers and that's where the similarities end really, I'm sure an alien race somewhere else in the universe has rooms that mirror some things Humans have built.
Anyway fair enough, it looks similar to you.

I think its a possibility if the writers ever went back and explained these techs for what ever reason.

You mean clearly right.
I'd guess close to ZPM levels of power is probably somewhere in the general area to being right considering Ori ships and 304s powered off of ZPMs have fought each other.
Main beams from the Ori could still drop a 304s shields in a quick amount of time.
I guess whatever powers Aterro could be similar to what powers the Ori's ships, if that power source doesn't come from planetary based energy (like geothermal, solar or something).

yeah i did
i think the ori must be using ZPM level power sources at least. the Aterro devise was said to be many times zpm level (or something like that)
i dont believe geothermal could produce even close to ZPM level power (al least if were going by real life rules). I dont no of any other types of theoretical power sources it could be.

Anyway back to the Thread, I wouldn't say Ori ships would be the best or most powerful ship on the show, 304s ZPM powered are more lethal, I'd guess Auroras would be higher up and an Asgard ship with the beam weapons would be higher still.

considering how powerful the asgard weapons are on the crapy little 304s. I'd have to say they must be at least the most powerful ship weapon. I hate the writers for not showing us larger versions of them on a O'Neill class.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

If they had cold fusion licked, then why bother with geothermal?

There's a lot of energy in the form of heat, thought you'd know that.
I think I read somewhere (I forget where I read it though) there's enough energy to provide for all of our energy needs for 4000 years, if you dig deep enough down into the Earth's crust.
I'd imagine other planets would have masses of energy in the form of heat too.

[mickhhh]

There's a lot of energy in the form of heat, thought you'd know that.
I think I read somewhere (I forget where I read it though) there's enough energy to provide for all of our energy needs for 4000 years, if you dig deep enough down into the Earth's crust.
I'd imagine other planets would have masses of energy in the form of heat too.

taking huge amounts of heat from a a planet would be a very bad idea. ever seen the film THE CORE. you could pretty much take away a planets life support

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

taking huge amounts of heat from a a planet would be a very bad idea. ever seen the film THE CORE. you could pretty much take away a planets life support

I think that heat is constantly being replenished, we don't need to take all of that heat away right this second.
We only need to take enough energy to give us the power we need, so unless the population grew thousands of times the size it is right now we'd be OK, we'll only need a fraction of that total energy contained in the planet, plus there's other sources of power like energy coming from the oceans (in motion) and solar.

Anyway this has gone off topic, hopefully you get what I'm getting at, there's plenty of power we can get without resorting to risking the planet's crust or poluting the hell out of our atmosphere with fossil fuel and that's not including future or far out there types of power generation we haven't even discovered as a race yet.

[lordofseas]

taking huge amounts of heat from a a planet would be a very bad idea. ever seen the film THE CORE. you could pretty much take away a planets life support

Because films are always scientifically correct. Ever seen the film 2012?

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

Because films are always scientifically correct. Ever seen the film 2012?

Good point, have some green.

[morrismike]

There's a lot of energy in the form of heat, thought you'd know that.
I think I read somewhere (I forget where I read it though) there's enough energy to provide for all of our energy needs for 4000 years, if you dig deep enough down into the Earth's crust.
I'd imagine other planets would have masses of energy in the form of heat too.

If you've got cold fusion licked then geothermal is a waste of time. With all the geo potential we have, why not more exploitation of it on earth? I realize the potential is there, it is such a pain in the butt.

[morrismike]

Because films are always scientifically correct. Ever seen the film 2012?

I rewatched it to see California slide into the ocean over and over and over....

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

If you've got cold fusion licked then geothermal is a waste of time.

Of course it's never been stated exactly what powers an Aurora (by that I mean the built in reactors and not the ZPMs), but I've never seen it said that Cold Fusion could power a shield in Stargate, Sam's never tied a DHD's power source into a shield, but the Ancients did power a shield off of geothermal energy in SGA.

I don't know about the real world potential of cold fusion, next to geothermal though.

With all the geo potential we have, why not more exploitation of it on earth?

Basically I think it comes down to a lack off promotion (I've never seen it mentioned on the news) and profits that can be made off of dirty fuels.

I realize the potential is there, it is such a pain in the butt.

Surely once you have the holes drilled or whatever, piping set up, turbines, ways to get water for steam then it'll provide you with ample energy over time, but how much could you charge for it (coz that's what's important to the people that run the power grid)?

Surely governments would earn more money through tax on oil, coal, uranium than they would from geothermal power.
If all you've gotta do is maintain a geosite and replace the odd part and most if not all sites will keep providing cheaper power, whereas you can actually charge for oil, tax the money for that, then charge for the power you've made from that (again tax that) then charge for the maintenance the potential monetary gains are a far greater incentive to keep with the fossil fuels and just make a few geothermal and other clean sources to just please the people that care about the environment and keep up good appearances.

[mickhhh]

I think that heat is constantly being replenished, we don't need to take all of that heat away right this second.
We only need to take enough energy to give us the power we need, so unless the population grew thousands of times the size it is right now we'd be OK, we'll only need a fraction of that total energy contained in the planet, plus there's other sources of power like energy coming from the oceans (in motion) and solar.

Anyway this has gone off topic, hopefully you get what I'm getting at, there's plenty of power we can get without resorting to risking the planet's crust or poluting the hell out of our atmosphere with fossil fuel and that's not including future or far out there types of power generation we haven't even discovered as a race yet.

no we would not but on the show if you wanted to power atlantis in battle conditions it would cool the planet down very quickly.

plus my whole point was to say the Aterro device could not have been powered by geothermal energy. if ZPMs cant do it geothermal energy cant.

Because films are always scientifically correct. Ever seen the film 2012?

yeah i no but in this case the principle is true. if you cool enough it would be a very bad thing.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

no we would not but on the show if you wanted to power atlantis in battle conditions it would cool the planet down very quickly.

You don't know that, you don't know the exact wattage needed to raise or sustain Atlantis's shield, you also don't know the size of the shield surrounding the Ancient facility that was being powered by geothermal energy.

plus my whole point was to say the Aterro device could not have been powered by geothermal energy.

This was Daniel's statement in First Contact:

JACKSON: This facility's tapped into some pretty serious power generation. I've never seen anything like it before.

The statement could be interpretted in many ways, but it in no way directly implies that the generator powering atterro was more powerful than a ZPM.
"I've never seen anything like it" could simply mean Daniel's never seen a device that looks like Atterro (which would be true since it was the first time he'd seen Atterro )
In terms of the level of power being generated by that reactor or whatever it was not mentioned what the level of energy being generated was and no one compared it to a ZPM, so you can in no way state the facility wasn't being powered by a geothermal energy source, it could have been any familiar energy source with a power generator that taps power in an unusual manner.

if ZPMs cant do it geothermal energy cant.

As I've pointed out above you can't say this.

[lordofseas]

no we would not but on the show if you wanted to power atlantis in battle conditions it would cool the planet down very quickly.

plus my whole point was to say the Aterro device could not have been powered by geothermal energy. if ZPMs cant do it geothermal energy cant.

yeah i no but in this case the principle is true. if you cool enough it would be a very bad thing.

The principle in 2012 is that flooding is bad. Good principles doesn't equate good science.

[mickhhh]

You don't know that, you don't know the exact wattage needed to raise or sustain Atlantis's shield, you also don't know the size of the shield surrounding the Ancient facility that was being powered by geothermal energy.

the shield can drain a zpm in a couple of days. a zpm has way more energy than the amount of energy that could be safely taking from a planet. not that i no the exact amount but considering a zpm can destroy a solar system. and if the Ancient facilitys shield does have the same energy intake as the atlantis shield then its a plot hole.

This was Daniel's statement in First Contact:


The statement could be interpretted in many ways, but it in no way directly implies that the generator powering atterro was more powerful than a ZPM.
"I've never seen anything like it" could simply mean Daniel's never seen a device that looks like Atterro (which would be true since it was the first time he'd seen Atterro )
In terms of the level of power being generated by that reactor or whatever it was not mentioned what the level of energy being generated was and no one compared it to a ZPM, so you can in no way state the facility wasn't being powered by a geothermal energy source, it could have been any familiar energy source with a power generator that taps power in an unusual manner.

i thought i remembered some 1 posting a quote some where that said it could be more powerful than a ZPM. anyway thats my bad if they did not say this. but still does not change the fact that geothermal energy is would not be able to power things like the atlantis shield

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

the shield can drain a zpm in a couple of days.

This doesn't prove Atlantis's shields couldn't be raised using geothermal power, this just proves a ZPM can hold back a Wraith attack from a few dozen ships for an unknown number of days.
I could say a ZPM can keep powering Atlantis's shields for over 3000 years holding back alot of pressure from the ocean above the city.

a zpm has way more energy than the amount of energy that could be safely taking from a planet.

I wonder how many Nuclear reactors and quantities of uranium, coal or any other potentially explosive forms of energy would be depleted trying to provide for our energy needs for the entire population of the planet for the next 4000 years.
Don't forget the heat is constantly being replenished, so that 4000 years worth of energy isn't all there will ever be, if you take it away it'll be replaced by the core of the planet in time.

not that i no the exact amount but considering a zpm can destroy a solar system.

Well you just said it yourself you don't know the amount of energy needed, we do know that a very small portion of a ZPMs total power output would be required to raise Atlantis's shields, remember I said "raise" and not sustain for a similar length of time under extreme battle conditions.
BTW Sam was guessing about the ZPM from Kamulis destroying our Solar system, in every other instance when a big enough bang was needed our guys haven't even been able to muster huge explosions, we even see 3 ZPMs being needed to destroy Asuras, if a ZPM is that powerful on it's own all of the time then it would be easily duplicatable.

and if the Ancient facilitys shield does have the same energy intake as the atlantis shield then its a plot hole.

Not really, not if we're only talking about using a small fraction of the total power of a ZPM, which IMO is actually highly likely, take a fraction of the 3000 odd years a ZPM powered the city's shields.
It would depend on if you can gather enough energy from the geothermal source(s) quickly enough, but you could still fill a large capacitor to power anything you like.

i thought i remembered some 1 posting a quote some where that said it could be more powerful than a ZPM. anyway thats my bad if they did not say this.

Fair enough.

but still does not change the fact that geothermal energy is would not be able to power things like the atlantis shield

You haven't in any way proven that, I'm talking about just raising the shield, maybe have it up for a little while, long enough to hold back an attack from the Wraith and maybe mount a defense against them (firing off a few drones or getting a 304 back to Earth).
A total ZPM isn't needed to just raise the shield, or hold back a Wraith attack for a few hours, only a fraction of it's total power is needed for that, depending on how many days the Wraith were attacking and how many ships they were using it could be less than 1% of a ZPMs total energy output.

[mickhhh]

This doesn't prove Atlantis's shields couldn't be raised using geothermal power, this just proves a ZPM can hold back a Wraith attack from a few dozen ships for an unknown number of days.
I could say a ZPM can keep powering Atlantis's shields for over 3000 years holding back alot of pressure from the ocean above the city.

the whole point of all this was when i was saying geothermal energy could not give off super amounts of power to power the Aterro weapon or anything else. a quick raise of the shields would not be included in this.

an analogy could be geothermal is like a wind mill that only gives a small amount of energy at a time but lasts a long time and a zpm is like a jet energy thats much more powerful but wont last forever.

I wonder how many Nuclear reactors and quantities of uranium, coal or any other potentially explosive forms of energy would be depleted trying to provide for our energy needs for the entire population of the planet for the next 4000 years.
Don't forget the heat is constantly being replenished, so that 4000 years worth of energy isn't all there will ever be, if you take it away it'll be replaced by the core of the planet in time.

it does not matter if the heat gets replenished over a long time cos if to much is taking like in a very taxing battle the planet would cool to quick and lose life support.

Well you just said it yourself you don't know the amount of energy needed, we do know that a very small portion of a ZPMs total power output would be required to raise Atlantis's shields, remember I said "raise" and not sustain for a similar length of time under extreme battle conditions.
BTW Sam was guessing about the ZPM from Kamulis destroying our Solar system, in every other instance when a big enough bang was needed our guys haven't even been able to muster huge explosions, we even see 3 ZPMs being needed to destroy Asuras, if a ZPM is that powerful on it's own all of the time then it would be easily duplicatable.

like i said a simple raise of the shield was not my point. I dont think the writers would make her wrong!!!
a zpm can destroy a planet with only a tiny % of its energy. we no this cos McKay states dialling another galaxy is enough to do this.

Not really, not if we're only talking about using a small fraction of the total power of a ZPM, which IMO is actually highly likely, take a fraction of the 3000 odd years a ZPM powered the city's shields.
It would depend on if you can gather enough energy from the geothermal source(s) quickly enough, but you could still fill a large capacitor to power anything you like.

You haven't in any way proven that, I'm talking about just raising the shield, maybe have it up for a little while, long enough to hold back an attack from the Wraith and maybe mount a defense against them (firing off a few drones or getting a 304 back to Earth).
A total ZPM isn't needed to just raise the shield, or hold back a Wraith attack for a few hours, only a fraction of it's total power is needed for that, depending on how many days the Wraith were attacking and how many ships they were using it could be less than 1% of a ZPMs total energy output.

like i said at the beginning i was talking about using huge amounts at once.

judging from The Siege three hours of powering the shield at full is still a fair fraction of the zpm and because a zpm can destroy a planet many times this should be more than enough to destroy a planet. if its enough to destroy a planet its way to much energy to safely take from a planet in 3 hours

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

the whole point of all this was when i was saying geothermal energy could not give off super amounts of power to power the Aterro weapon or anything else. a quick raise of the shields would not be included in this.

But you don't know geothermal energy couldn't be used to power Aterro, you can not say it can't because you know nothing about how much energy it takes to affect hyperspace in the way Aterro does.
We have no comparisons between any pieces of technology, no statements of energy needed, so it's an unknown.

I was talking about powering Atlantis's shields and as I said maybe holding back a Wraith attack for some time using geothermal power is possible, which given Atlantis can hold back an ocean with what could be miles of water above for over 3000 years on a single ZPM with an unknown amount of charge left in each of it's three is not exactly unbelievable.

Basically you can't rule out what I'm saying because there's not enough info on the subject.

an analogy could be geothermal is like a wind mill that only gives a small amount of energy at a time but lasts a long time and a zpm is like a jet energy thats much more powerful but wont last forever.

It would depend on what method(s) the Ancients could use to draw geothermal power from the Earth, it may not be turbine based, it could be some kind of heat converter, since nothing is stated about what method the Ancients used for the base in Inferno all we know is it can power a shield of unknown size, but power could be stored over time and then used when it's needed.

it does not matter if the heat gets replenished over a long time cos if to much is taking like in a very taxing battle the planet would cool to quick and lose life support.

You're making an assumption that too much power would be taken to do anything like power Atlantis's shields.
You don't know how many watts would be needed to power the shield under any level of strain, so you can't say too much energy would be taken.
When you've held back an initial attack and since Atlantis had drones last time we saw it, it could have dispatched a few Hives and wouldn't need to survive days.
Hives can be taken out very quickly if you have the right kind of firepower.

like i said a simple raise of the shield was not my point. I dont think the writers would make her wrong!!!

Even the most qualified scientists can be wrong about things, since they are Human and those people that have more experience with a certain technology will know more about it.

a zpm can destroy a planet with only a tiny % of its energy. we no this cos McKay states dialling another galaxy is enough to do this.

When was this stated?

like i said at the beginning i was talking about using huge amounts at once.

We've been talking about Atlantis, powering it's shields, that's what I've been referring to.
Miniscule amounts of a ZPMs power are required to raise and sustain the city's shields for over 3000 years.
A fleet of Wraith ships can drain a ZPM in days when it's powering the city's shield, logically that one ZPM would last longer than the days, possibly it could last weeks if that number of ships seen in The Siege part 3 is halfed and if only a few Hives arrived and attacked the city then it's shields would last even longer still with a single ZPM.
Since the shields have less work to do the fewer number of hits they have to hold back then even less power would be needed if only 1 Hive or a few cruisers turned up.

judging from The Siege three hours of powering the shield at full is still a fair fraction of the zpm and because a zpm can destroy a planet many times this should be more than enough to destroy a planet. if its enough to destroy a planet its way to much energy to safely take from a planet in 3 hours

I really don't see how you can make that connection.
You're going off of Carter's speculations.
Remember during season 8 of SG1 Humans had only just discovered ZPMs and since then no one to my knowledge has made any statements like "a ZPM can destroy many planets" or anything like that.

It was said that the ZPM would last for days in The Siege under strain from the Wraith fleet, three hours from say 2 days (as a random example if the bare minimum possible time the ZPM would last is two days) is less than 10% of the total energy the ZPM can draw.
If the ZPM was gonna last 6 days, (6 days equals 144 hours), since it's never been stated in any actual situation where a ZPM is needed to destroy anything large like oh I don't know a City Ship, then you can't say a ZPM can actually destroy a planet, you can't even say it can destroy a city ship on it's own.

Even when it was absolutely necessary to destroy Asuras and a couple of ZPMs would've been highly useful for Earth we couldn't get a single one away from that situation, even given Rodneys knowledge of the technology.

I'll remind you that Kamulas's ZPM was tainted and Carter had far less knowledge and experience of ZPM tech back in season 8 than anyone on Atlantis in season 4, Rodney and Zalenka both had access to the Ancient database, the whole race had been using the tech for at least 2 years and a lot more things can be understood about any devices capabilities in that amount of time.

I think I'll trust McKay in this situation.

[boyd22]

Ha'taks I'd agree. Wraith ships are sort of like the base model of what could have been a hot muscle car. The one that looks the same as the fast version but comes in cat vomit brown with a ****house 6 cylinder engine barely wheezing out 100 hp if you're lucky. Ahh, but if you do an engine swap, all of a sudden everything changes.

So, what you're saying is, the Hive needed a ZL-1 engine?

[Captain James]

My favorite ships class would the F-304s, Hive ship, and Asgard ships

[the_apollo]

The really powerful (and only in its class) ship it the ancients Aurora class ships.

They have extremely powderful lantean shields, and drone weapons.

[morrismike]

Because films are always scientifically correct. Ever seen the film 2012?

That was my favorite movie with CA sliding in the ocean. It was even better than seeing Will Ferrel getting eaten by a Trex.