Simoen unrealistically overpowered.

[Kaiphantom]

Except that the whole point was they should NOT have been taken by surprise. There was plenty of time to realize something was wrong and automatically assume that someone could come to the armory. If they were truly trained, then it would have been drilled into them that when you are on guard duty, you always assume a threat until proven otherwise.

They should have had their guns out and been suitably apart, taking whatever cover they could. The moment Simeon appeared and shot, the second guard should have been returning fire. Simeon should never have reached the gate room, nor should he have even been able to get off the ship.

The better way to handle this would have been for Simeon to take a hostage before all of this, possibly Ginn/Perry, and use that to get to the gate room. Our military guys wouldn't have looked like idiots, then.

[Gatz]

In Simeon's defense, Marines are as useful as scarecrows in the stargate universe

[Puddle-Jumper]

lol, no, they were forewarned in the first case. Simeon had gained complete surprise in this ep. Considering Simeon's background, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more combat experience than every earth soldier on Destiny with the exception of Young himself.

No Id say more then even Young, like Simeon probably grew up with a weapon in his hand... he's been a warrior his entire life... Young is good... so are Scott, Greer and James.. but nothing can stand up to that kinda experience. It was the same with Teal'c and Ronan and Teyla really..

[Blackhole]

I could easily believe Simeon would get the jump on his personal guard and Ginn/Perry. Those were likely silent kills with the element of surprise. No gunshots fired.

But once Simeon went loud with shots fired, that would have been his last kill with the element of surprise. So I could reasonably believe 2 more easy kills in that manner.

It should have been MUCH tougher after that.

Spaceship doors are made to be very strong and airtight. When closed they are probably nearly if not completely soundproof. Also Destiny is a huge ship. Sounds would not travel very far. Once he made his way to the armory he didn't waste anytime.

[Blackhole]

There is a reason why the Army prefers to use a small detachment of highly trained soldiers to sneak around enemy territory and cause precise but devastating damage to the enemy as opposed to a direct full frontal assault. And I think Simoen displays this point perfectly.

I have talked with special forces and swat officers before. The element of surprise is amazingly important. That is why surgical strikes can be so effective. Even highly trained soldiers are going to experience a moment of hesitation when startled.

[Puddle-Jumper]

Spaceship doors are made to be very strong and airtight. When closed they are probably nearly if not completely soundproof. Also Destiny is a huge ship. Sounds would not travel very far. Once he made his way to the armory he didn't waste anytime.

Good point

[lars]

Taking an average SG1-episode in comparison, it just surprises me he didn't blow up the whole ship. So, I don't see any problem with his kill count or his escape for that matter

[GateroomGuard]

Just to clarify this, they could have posted as many guards as they wanted around Simeon and this still would have happend. Simeon is not an idiot, he will wait for the best oppurtunity to make his move, eventually guards will let their guard down and all he needed to do was take one hostage and he's home clear. Just keel over and act sick, guard walks over to either help or make him move, Simeon grabs guard and his gun shoots the other guards or just uses the guard as a hostage, either way he wins. The only way to have prevented this was to have killed Simeon when the first captured him, I wouldn't even exile him, a guy like him is to much of a threat to be allowed to exist.

[Joben]

Also when he shoots the marine outside the gateroom, he emerges ( nicely dramatically ) from smoke. What trick did he pull there?

He grabbed a smoke grenade from the armory and you can hear him use it before he shoots the marines outside the gateroom

[Eternal Density]

In Simeon's defense, Marines are as useful as scarecrows in the stargate universe

If marines are Scarecrows and Simeon is Batman... yeah.

[GateroomGuard]

If marines are Scarecrows and Simeon is Batman... yeah.

Hmmm... 1. Always frowns. 2. Is not well liked even by his comrades. 3. Appears suddenly from the dark and smoke. 4. Has tons of gadgets and traps at his disposal. 5. Excellent fighter. Yeah I think Simeon is basically the Lucian Alliance Batman.

[JustAnotherVoice]

There's no reason to believe that Simeon is on the same level as any of the SGC personnel on board - physically, mentally or in terms of experience. For the SGC, soldiering is a job, but for Simeon, it's a lifestyle.

He's probably been sneaking around in the shadows against the snakeheads since he could first pick up a weapon and on the front lines of inter faction conflicts within the LA. Coupled with being a relatively fresh and highly motivated, he probably held back a lot.

[Galileo_Galilee]

Hmmmmm....

Maybe the LA is a Galactic Group of Batmen?

[Quetzocoetl]

If I hadn't already seen SG-1 or the Atlantis crew being able to escape when out numbered, I might've agreed.
Is it really hard to imagine Simeon simply taking his guards by surprise, then taking out the unprepared airmen?
A slight hesitation is all it takes. Nobody knew what Simeon was going to do, whether it was go to the Gate room, Armory, or break his LA comrades out and overtake the ship. It's a big ship, you can't hear gunshots as well as you'd think.

[AndSoItBegins]

The title is misleading. I take "overpowered" as meaning someone was taken down/subdued/overpowered, etc. The OP believes it means a person/character was unrealistically given too much fighting abiity.

[Kaiphantom]

Just to clarify this, they could have posted as many guards as they wanted around Simeon and this still would have happend. Simeon is not an idiot,

The guards shouldn't be idiots, either. There was a very good reason they posted two guards per LA member, and they would have been told to watch them carefully, as anything could be a trick. I guarantee you, in a real world situation with two guards on you, Simeon or not, you ain't gettin' away. If you think you are, then you've been watching too much TV.

This was poor writing to set up a specific situation, plain and simple

[GateroomGuard]

The guards shouldn't be idiots, either. There was a very good reason they posted two guards per LA member, and they would have been told to watch them carefully, as anything could be a trick. I guarantee you, in a real world situation with two guards on you, Simeon or not, you ain't gettin' away. If you think you are, then you've been watching too much TV.

This was poor writing to set up a specific situation, plain and simple

Real life convicts escape from much more guarded situations than Simeon without the benefit of his extensive training. Being vigiliant and watchful of everything Simeon did is unrealistic, eventually they would relax or mess up. Simeon just had to wait for that oppurtunity. Simeon probably also had more combat expierience than everyone onboard combined. And the SGC personel are not battle hardened veterans, most of them are green and have never been in combat.

[Kaiphantom]

Real life convicts escape from much more guarded situations than Simeon without the benefit of his extensive training. Being vigiliant and watchful of everything Simeon did is unrealistic, eventually they would relax or mess up. Simeon just had to wait for that oppurtunity. Simeon probably also had more combat expierience than everyone onboard combined. And the SGC personel are not battle hardened veterans, most of them are green and have never been in combat.

Eh, you need to read up on how convicts really escape (and believe me, it's nothing like the movies). It's mostly from very low security places, perhaps running away while on work detail when the one guard looking over 12 men, goes to use the bathroom.

And where is your proof that the SGC personnel are greens and not battle hardened veterans? Regardless of experience, they are put through a LOT of training, and they've had to contend with a lot since the attack on Icarus and coming onto the ship.

In short, stop believing everything you see on TV.

[GateroomGuard]

Eh, you need to read up on how convicts really escape (and believe me, it's nothing like the movies). It's mostly from very low security places, perhaps running away while on work detail when the one guard looking over 12 men, goes to use the bathroom.

And where is your proof that the SGC personnel are greens and not battle hardened veterans? Regardless of experience, they are put through a LOT of training, and they've had to contend with a lot since the attack on Icarus and coming onto the ship.

In short, stop believing everything you see on TV.

Real life speaks otherwise
http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=13354761
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...60401674_x.htm

Guarding a prisoner who can walk around anywhere he wants to is just waiting for trouble. And I doubt the SGC personel were trained for guarding a highly trained killing machine like Simeon.

[Kaiphantom]

Real life speaks otherwise
http://www.wtvm.com/Global/story.asp?S=13354761
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...60401674_x.htm

Guarding a prisoner who can walk around anywhere he wants to is just waiting for trouble. And I doubt the SGC personel were trained for guarding a highly trained killing machine like Simeon.

The problem with your examples was that they were minimum security situations with prison guards; not marines guarding a highly dangerous individual on a sensitive ship.