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Take the fanfic talk to the fanfic folder please
Lots of fond memories. These people were like weekly friends. Instead of tuning in to find out gossip like other shows it was like tuning in to visit a distance friend.
I agree that there was more good about SGA than bad and I appreciate the good things that SGA's writers & creators gave us: a great cast, interesting characters and the foundation of an intriguing storyline. Unfortunately, the good has been tainted by the bad because I don't think SGA's writers ever fully appreciated what they had in SGA. Because of this, I blame them for SGA's cancellation.
IMO, if SGA had been in the hands of writers who were excited about the show and wanted to see it grow, then I believe that the ratings could have been even better than the respectable ratings SGA ended with. And, with higher ratings, there's no way that MGM and Syfy would have chanced canceling it for the unknown.
In my perfect little world, new, talented writers would have been brought on board before the old guard writers could start recycling SG-1 storylines for SGA and before they became so attached to Rodney that almost every episode had to be Rodney-heavy. Yes, I love the character, but I also love the other, much less used, characters.
I look at the great ratings that Eureka has been getting in its 4th season and believe that SGA's ratings could have been just as good if only the writing pool had been overhauled. I don't blame any of the Stargate writers for wanting to try something new and I never did, however, I do blame them for taking SGA for granted because by doing so they made SGA vulnerable to cancellation. And, worse than that, they ended SGA in such a disappointing way that I doubt that I will ever watch Season 5 straight through.
If Stargate's writers had been thinking ahead, they would have made sure that SGA got the best send off possible because that way, even if SGA fans were disappointed by the show's cancellation, we would have enough fond memories of what a great job TPTB did with the show that people like me wouldn't be wishing for new writers for anything SGA-related in the future.
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They should have left SGA running for 1 more season, so S1 of SGU could have been on right before/after. That would have helped many fans transition more smoothly.
I agree, S5 started off strong but had 3 or 4 eps that were just below par in the end. That is waaaaaaaay too many for a final season......heck final season half. Look at S4, there was only one episode I thought was below par, heck I even thought "Harmony" was good, that final scene with the picture is worth sitting through the entire episode.
Look how Season 4 ended.... Midway, Kindred pt 1, Kindred Part 2, The Last man.... that is how you end a season!!!
I thought season 4 towards the end and the middle was excellent. And I was totally shocked that they were canceling in the fifth season because I had no idea. Season 5 was excellent. Lots of episodes stand out, especially Daedelus Variations, The Shrine, and a few others. I did like the lost tribe stuff because I was thinking they were bringing the asgard back somehow, some small hope.
Oh yeah! Season 5 had excellent mid-season eps, I loved "The Prodigal", and even really loved "Vegas". I was just hoping EATG was a 2 parter and Vegas was episode "518" and Identity did not even make the cut, lol.
The Asgard are my favorite aliens, to bring them back like that was gutsy, but it worked. There is one lost potential story-line.
I don't know how making EATG into two episodes would have concluded the series especially with all the things left in the open like the Asgard, and the possibility of the existence of the Daedelus variations aliens, and so many others like the Genii stuff and other potential alien races. To me, EATG seemed mostly like superhive vs Atlantis. Nothing that really resolves too many plot arcs.
I really liked Tracker too minus Keller. Just that device thing was awesome. It would have been awesome to explore where that device came from. I don't remember but was it of ancient origin? Identity was bleh. Just because you put a hot chick into the fray doesn't make the story better. I really hated the traveller's chick. Was ridiculous. Oooh, I'm a hot chick, but I'm a strong female character so lemme torture you with no consequences. Not once...twice.
Or maybe I just really liked that Wraith . . .
So, I really thought that the writers were going to do even better in Season 5, which is why it was especially disappointing to see the train wreck that Season 5 became. Yes, there were several episodes that I enjoyed, but overall Season 5 was a disjointed mess because there were too many dull, pointless episodes that could have been better used to build up to the finale. Even if the writers were certain of a Season 6, there is no excuse for how bad Season 5 was. Savvy writers know that they had better write a kickass current season if they want their audience to return the following season.
Unfortunately, SGA's writers didn't see it that way because Season 5 felt like a bizarre writers' experiment where the SGA writers got the opportunity to indulge themselves by using poor SGA as a guinea pig. JM got Whispers to coincide with a horror project he was working on; RCC & BW got to practice for SGU with Vegas and The Shrine; MG got to indulge his McKeller obsession, and I have no idea what was going on with CB and his repetitive Keller+Kidnapped/On the Run+Woods episodes, Tracker and Identity.
I saw Season 4 as a great setup for Season 5 and believed that Season 5 should have been even better. It annoys me that it turned out much worse.
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SGA reboot when SGU fails, sigh
The writers lost interest, as most writers do , when they're not allowed to be bold and do daring out of this world
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Doctor Who and BSG seemingly had a creative team that allowed every one to go freaking crazy, and it worked. BSG final episodes was magical, and Doctor Who last season with the Pandorica was explosive and incredibly fantastic. As for our creators; It's like the writers of Stargate is given a Bugetti Veyron, but only allowed to move the car ten feet, and put it back where they found it. And eventually the novelty of it being a Bugetti Veyron wears off, and you'd prefer a jalopy that can drive around town, than an expensive car that goes no where.
Where they should have gone. Here's where I would have gone: Weir would have started another Asuran planet, with her being in charge. Rodney's use of the ascension device isn't a hundred percent and he's slowly evolving. Ronon wants to do more to save the people of Pegasus, and start leaving behind advanced weaponry for people to use against the Wraith. Sheppard finds out that he gave that beautiful woman who ascended biological material which made her pregnant, and his baby comes to pay him a visit. Teyla starts feeling vampiric and finds out she can draw life force from others just by touching them. She's afraid at first, but something in her starts to change. Michael has several clones, one of which died, the others are busy building armies to fight against the Wraith. l Wraith who left the galaxy, and are actually ancients who injected themselves with the Wraith virus because they were dying from a plague, returns after several years. The word is the Atlantians has returned, and they're curious. They're not like the other Wraith since they feed on wraith, and being ancient, they don't use their hands, but suck energy out of their victims. It was they who made the wraith lame; destroying tens of thousands of hives and slaughtering billions of Wraith. Humans once numbered in the trillions (they were in Pegasus for millions of years, do the math) in Pegasus, got wiped out by the Wraith, and these Ancients who were dying decided to forget "ascend or die" and chose to live forever. Woosely comes to Atlantis, and knows what Ronon is doing, and decides to help by bringing even more earth tech for Ronon to 'forget'.
Even though we got what we got, the numbers were good enough to warrant two or three more seasons. Who is to blame? Gordon Gekko's "Greed is good.
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I think you and I are on the same page. Season 4 was excellent, and the potential stories could of gone several seasons. Season 5 Started off very strong, but then after a strong mid-season, we got eps like Inquisition, Identity, and Brainstorm.
I actually really liked how they handled Weir in S4, was very dark and risky, and really made the character more 3D. Same went for Carson in S4. Then Season 5 was like WTF? lol.
I can see feeling "cheated" of another episode with "our" characters in it, given that there was only one more episode left. If there had been another season waiting in the wings, maybe you would have felt differently . . .
People hating vegas, and that's fine. I loved Vegas for what it was, especially how it tied into enemy at the gate.
What really aggravated me the most was the way the entire premise of SGA was wasted. The entire first season could've been about exploring the city, with the Wraith found later, but instead they ignored the city itself and all its mysteries. To me, it proves that they honestly thought they'd succeed no matter what.
I'd give you more green if I could maxbo